The "official" Yamaha AVENTAGE RX-A710/810/1010/2010/3010 thread - Page 26

Build quality is top of the line. At least on my RX-A3010. Sad that mine is defective. From what I've heard Yamaha should be the best in the business (or very good at least) when it comes to quality and all that stuff.

Keep my Marantz AV7005. I absolutely love it for music . It's also great for HT, and I think it's a very balanced dual-role unit in a single box.

However, I was interested in the 11.2 capability of the 3010 for HT, which is the only reason why I tried it out. I was surprised, however, to see such a noticeable improvement with the DSPs for movies. I have owned 3 prior Yamaha flagships, and I always felt most of DSPs were just novelty, but I've been WOW'd by them with the 3010.

I believe if your running one line from the speaker out on your avr, then splitting that into two lines at your wall jack you should be at 16ohm. I'll try and dig up some literature on it to make sure, but that's the way I have come to understand it. Maybe someone who knows for sure can chime in on this, but I believe that is correct. I actually am running my rear surround Chan.dos the same way right now and haven't experienced any problems. When I ran ypao again after connecting the extra two speakers it actually dropped each a db from the previous setting, possibly indicating that the speakers were easier to drive. Regardless the amp section can handle a 4ohm load so I couldn't see it being a problem either way.

So red...Is the Yammie high current like the Marantz?

Interesting,can't seem to duplicate the problem with A1010, go to the option button and try raising the volume trim for the TV input and see if that helps.
I happen to have my tv volume trim from the cable box set to +6 which is max.
Otherwise I am at a loss.
Old Mike

I gotta ask - what does high current mean? At least, in the context of amps?

Well, the AV7005 is a preamp/processor so no internal amplifiers, and I don't have any experience with the SR7005 which is the AVR equivalent. I guess I should also note that I'm running external amplification with my 3010.


I'm no electrician or expert in this, but generally speaking it just means whether or not an amp can drive lower impedance loads. To me that means if an AVR is 4 ohm stable to all channels, then it's high-current. To an audiophile, it probably means if an amp can run your refrigerator, then it's high-current.

Yeah, I think it's defective. Come over to my house and I'm sure you will understand how this unit should sound. I'm always floored when I listen to my sacd's, blu ray concerts or mp3s. Crystal clear, loud, and punchy

When I want nice, loud multi channel music using my blurays or sacd's I set it to straight. Infact I just finished listening to Pink Floyd Wish You Were Here SACD at +5db while the wife and kids were shopping

My biggest gripe is with ypao. Other then that, these are solid receivers. If you disconnect your sub(s) before running ypao, you are better off doing so. Then activate the subs and finalize the settings.

If you want negative receivers, I introduce you to Onkyo...

Yeah it's a fantastic unit so something must be up with mine. The sheer quality feel from this unit is enough for me haha.

I've sent my retailer an e-mail, hopefully this can be resolved nice and quick.

I hope because the issues you're having are odd. This is by far is one of the few avr's without tons of issues or quality defects.

I've been so impressed with HT on the 3010 that I put off testing SACDs (DSD over HDMI) until yesterday after I responded to one of your posts, which prompted me to finally pop in an SACD. Well, I have to say THANKS, cause I was so blown away by it that all I've done is listen to SACDs ever since.

In laymen understandings, my hobby is more with 2 channel audio. Besides my own rigs, I go to a lot of listening parties and talk 2 channel audio and gear. There are times when we listen too and talk low powered amps, like the Mini Watt amps that may have only 2 watts per channel. You can get very good loud audio sound from such a amp with low power if you are driving ZU audio speakers with 98db with only 1 watt. They are very good efficient speakers. But that 2 watt amp would be no good with home theater with all the explosions, peeks in sound and then the quiet talk dialog. That amp does not have power to flow to the speakers to perform in an home theater platform. AVRS have to not only have power, but amps that are strong enough to deliver that power fast enough for power to flow quickly for the big explosions and other sounds need to help in the experience of the sound. Some AVRS dont perform as well as others because they are not high current and cant drive speakers as well. But from reading here it seems that the Aventage series has no problem driving speakers. And Red_5ive is correct....I like my amps to drive my fridge

^^^ rantzmar - I just "got" your handle. Didn't pay attention at first.

Don't feel bad. I had analog sacd playback hardware in 2004 and never bothered to try it... I kick myself in the ass on all of the sacd's I could of bought for next to nothing that are no longer in print. I'm glad to find you are enjoying sacd playback through this beast as much as I have. Of course having $10k in speakers helps too lol.

Hahahaha...I've had that handle for years and you are the first one to ever get it! You sir...are a scholar!

I have a Marantz SACDP and just love it. Its really a Marantz Universal player. It also has the ability to play in 5.1 or 2 channel. I've been listening to it lately in 2 channel in my 2 channel rig. But now that I have the Yammie coming, I will move the Marantz SR5500 to a second home theater in the basement and connect the Marantz Universal player to the Marantz SR5500 for some sweet 5.1 SACD sounds...can't wait! Oh, and it does digital 5.1 or 2 channel analog.

My parent recently remodeled their house and asked me to buy all of the audio equipment to give them a nice clean install in their family room that would be great for entertaining as well as watch movies. The "family room" is really a multipurpose room that has the living room/kitchen that is 30'x20' and has the dining room of 15'x20 attached on to one side forming an L. I choose a full klipsch inwall/in-ceiling setup as they like my klipsch setup that I have in my house.

In the kitchen I am installing two in-ceiling speakers to act as rears. I would also like to be able to use those same speakers to act as a separate zone for 2.1 channel music listening when the tv is off. Is that possible to do? The home theater config I was planning on setting up includes mains, Lcr, wides, sides, 2 subs, and the in ceilings for the rear.

Is what I want to accomplish possible with the rx-a3010? I have the a3000 for my personal system and I wanted something I would be sorta familiar running. However if I need to order something else or a different receiver to achieve what I want, I need to do it now.

Any help is appreciated.
Ben

Hello:

Let me start by saying I hope I posting this in the right second and sorry if I am not.

I have a Yamaha HTR6280 the manual says it should have 2 subwoofer outputs side by side but mine only have 1.

I contacted Yamaha and they said that was odd so I went online and did find some pics with one and some with two . . . why is this anyone know?

TY

Bump for this.

Also, to Venomous: you mention running YPAO with no sub, to add the sub later. I found myself doing YPAO with no sub out of necessity (the sub broke) when I received my 3010. If and when I get a new sub, how do you suggest to proceed? By reading the thread I understood that YPAO on 2010 and 3010 should take care of the sub as well. Is that not the case in your experience?

OK, now I have it set up this way. Zone 2 finally working in the other room now! I am definitely no audio expert, but here are my thoughts on the difference between hooking up the front presence speakers parallel to the fronts (what I am doing now), versus using the front presence output on the AVR (what I had before).
1. Now I have no control of the FPR speakers independently of the fronts. Since, my FPRs are smaller speakers, and my fronts are larger speakers, I decided to risk it and set the fronts speakers on the AVR to LARGE at first. What I found was there was just too much muddy bass that way. So, after numerous times goig back and forth on that, I settled on setting my fronts to the SMALL size, even though two of the fronts are larger.
2. The sound is seemingly a slight bit less dynamic since the AVR can't use the FPR circuitry now, but I dunno, I could be just "thinking" that since I was expecting it. When listening to stereo music, the placement seems to be a little more straight in front of me, versus a more 3d sound. However, I would say that I like that when listening to stereo music.
3. I ran YPAO again, and it did a much better job this time around at finding the speaker distances and also I noticed that it really cranked up my center channel speaker level (+6.5dB). I think this might be because it is 8ohms, and the fronts are now 4ohms??? Not sure.
4. Note that I did change the advanced AVR settings to 6 ohms.
5. The thing still sounds absolutely excellent in the main zone.
6. Zone two also sounds incredible. Lots of bass and good power/volume. My zone 2 speakers are running on the other end of my house through 12 gauge speaker wire.

Speakers I am running:
Front mains: JBL Northridge Series N38 located on floor equidistant from the TV, about 6' on each side.
Front presence: Energy Conniseur CB-5, mounted on wall directly above the JBLs, and a few inches below the ceiling. 8' ceilings in here. Remember, I have these paralleled to the JBLs right off the AVR speaker terminal.
Surround: Energy Conniseur CB-5, sitting at about 48" off the floor behind the main seating area, basically in line with the fronts.
Zone 2: Crappy old JVC spekaers...will replace soon! Still sound good though!


After some reading up on this, I ended up NOT doing this, and instead running both wires right from the AVR front speaker jacks. Although, I think if I had done it at the wall jack level, it would not have made any difference. What WOULD have made a difference would be if I would have run the two speakers on each side in SERIES. This is all coming from things I looked up...so I could be wrong.

I feel comfortable with this setup, but I will be monitoring the temp of AVR to make sure I am not burning it up!

Thanks everybody for the feedback!

^^ Oh and these speakers also:

Subwoofer: Energy ESW-C10
Center: B&W HTM62

The obvious question...you were looking at the same AVR in both pics?
If yes, its some BAD QC on the part of Yamaha for the same receiver to have two different back panels.

The 2010 and 3010 do Infact EQ the sub... But roll the bass off at 30hz, which in my case is unacceptable. I have two hsu vtf15s which can be dual ports, single ports or completely sealed. Since my listening style varies between movies and music, I really wanted that flexibility. Especially for digging down deep bass at 16 hz.

By allowing ypao to EQ my subs, I'm going to be missing those freqs below 30hz. So you just plug your sub in, raise the volume using test tones and a db meter until you reach 75b and begin eqing it with an spl meter and test tones. If you want to really get down and dirty, you can EQ via REW and an external mic.

After some reading up on this, I ended up NOT doing this, and instead running both wires right from the AVR front speaker jacks. Although, I think if I had done it at the wall jack level, it would not have made any difference. What WOULD have made a difference would be if I would have run the two speakers on each side in SERIES. This is all coming from things I looked up...so I could be wrong.

I feel comfortable with this setup, but I will be monitoring the temp of AVR to make sure I am not burning it up!

Thanks everybody for the feedback![/quote]

I'm glad the other member was able to clear that up. My uncle helped me wirehe rear surrounds in my system that way and I was told that it would give me a nominal impedance of 16ohm. It appears that he was wrong. I have been running it that way for about 5 months now without any problems or clipping so ill continue to do so. I actually ran my system at 0db, which is supposed to be reference level for about an hour and a half last night watching Michael Jacksons "this is it" and the avr wasn't hot to touch after the showing. So I don't foresee any problems and doubt that you will either

That's not surprising considering these are different speakers entirely. I generally follow the rule of matching my LCR together since 95% of the sound is directed from the front.

Four ohm speakers get more power from the amp so that 8 ohm center needed to be cranked up to match the spl of the L and R which ypao did correctly. 8 and 6 ohm settings are basically identical. I had mirage omd speakers for a few years which are 6 ohm.

Cool. Thanks.

Is there any literature about this anywhere? It seems a really odd choice on Yamaha's part.

Hey Guys. Bought a rxa 2010 and I'm trying to figure out two things, if anyone can help. First how does the network feature work with streaming music. How do set up the receiver to do this? I have followed the instructions on dvd- which is the "manual". Also downloaded the yamaha app for my android phone to use as a remote. Can't get either to work correctly. thanks, Andy

Are you using google music? I had to copy my music over to the music folder on my phone.