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post #151 of 233
11/28/12 at 8:35am
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Originally Posted by jdb2 View Post

I'm having a problem with Tenso.
I ordered my Sony MDR-DS7500s from Amazon.co.jp on June 30th which were subsequently shipped out on the 1st of July. They arrived at Tenso's warehouse on the 2nd at which time the "My Page" section of their site was not updated. The next day I received this e-mail :
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Hi,
This is the Tenso.com Support Team. We are writing to you about an item that we cannot ship via EMS. Since we cannot ship it via EMS, we have not registered it into your My Page.
Package: Yamato 3136-2689-2854 Amazon
Headphones
EMS does not allow us to send lithium ion batteries because of flammability risk.
However, packages containing lithium ion batteries can be sent via UPS.
Please choose from among the following options:
1) Send your package to a domestic Japanese address, (for example, to a friend or back to the seller).
The cost for domestic shipping will be the domestic shipping fee + 500 yen handling fee.
If you are shipping your item within Japan, please tell us:
A. Address in Japan
B. Name of receiving party
C. Telephone number of receiving party
D. (optional) Time at which you would like to the package to be delivered
2) Ship your package via UPS
If you wish to choose option 2, please provide us with the following information:
1. Whether you wish to purchase insurance or not, Yes/No (insurance costs 50 JPY per 11000 JPY of the package's value)
2. Total value of the package's contents
3. Name of the products in the package (general descriptions such as 'camera' or 'toy' are not enough, please more specific information such as brand, model type, model number etc.)
4. Whether the product is new or used
The cost for shipping via UPS will be as follows:
980 JPY - Tenso.com Handling Fee
9386 JPY - UPS Shipping Fee (not including insurance)
Total: 10366 JPY
*Please note that Tenso.com is not responsible for any customs duties you may be charged.
Packages delivered via UPS will typically arrive within 4 business days of shipment from our warehouse (not including Saturdays, Sundays and holidays).
You can make payments for your UPS shipments in the Optional Services section of your My Page.
Your billing will be processed as soon as we get your reply."
I don't get it. I've read posts from several members here that have indicated that they used EMS shipping with no problems, including your post. In addition, there are several importers on the Web that use EMS shipping for this product.
The UPS shipping cost is 3x that of the EMS cost and almost half the price of the headphones!
Any help would be appreciated.
jdb2

You were unlucky.

EMS have a no-battery rule, it's true, but this is selectively enforced - if you come across a stickler at the EMS counter, you're screwed, basically, if not, not. Sorry you were unlucky.
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post #152 of 233
11/28/12 at 9:34am
After reading your post, I realise this is what I am planning to do.

It should work, since you suggested it, but if anyone could confirm it, I would really appreciate it.

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post #153 of 233
11/28/12 at 9:43am
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Originally Posted by drwilliamsburg View Post

I don't understand why everyone hooks this unit up to their amp rather than straight to their TV.
Doesn't your TV have more than one HDMI port?
People hook up to their receiver because that's where they plug in their HDMI components. I plug into HDMI 4x2 Matrix switches, it's easier.
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post #154 of 233
12/4/12 at 5:06am
Hello everybody.
I have seen that there are some who have asked if these headphones will work with a computer.
I just wan't to ask those who already have them, that again. Will they work? Are there anyone who has tried?
Since I wan't them for christmas, I wan't to be absolutley sure since it will be hard to send them back.
My planned setup is simple. I'm going to hook up the reciever with a HDMi cable from my graphics card's HDMI port (it's a GTX 570) to one of the inputs on the processor, and then a HDMI cable from the output to my 24 LED screen which also has a HDMI input.

The only thing I would like to get confirmed is, will this work? Will I get lossless sound if I'm watching a blu-ray movie with DTS-HD sound?

I would really appreciate a answer!

Thanks
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post #155 of 233
12/4/12 at 5:25am
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Originally Posted by Joar Blom View Post

Hello everybody.
I have seen that there are some who have asked if these headphones will work with a computer.
I just wan't to ask those who already have them, that again. Will they work? Are there anyone who has tried?
Since I wan't them for christmas, I wan't to be absolutley sure since it will be hard to send them back.
My planned setup is simple. I'm going to hook up the reciever with a HDMi cable from my graphics card's HDMI port (it's a GTX 570) to one of the inputs on the processor, and then a HDMI cable from the output to my 24 LED screen which also has a HDMI input.
The only thing I would like to get confirmed is, will this work? Will I get lossless sound if I'm watching a blu-ray movie with DTS-HD sound?
I would really appreciate a answer!
Thanks

Hi. I just bought mine. It arrived today and, while I have not set it up properly yet, I did test it on my Zenbook UX32VD (nVidia graphics card) and it did work.

In my case, the receiver did not detect Dolby or DTS coming from the source (LED did not light up), but the sound was not stereo, because when I toggled to stereo using the receiver 'effect' button, the sound changed significantly. I wasn't watching a DVD or Bluray though, just playing a movie file off my PC, so maybe this is why the receiver did not detect the audio stream. If you want this for Christmas, all I can do is recommend them. I also plugged them into my PS3 and the 'Pro Logic II' symbol came on. When I loaded 'Batman: Arkham Asylum', the 'Pro Logic II' symbol switched off and changed to one of the Dolby ones... so that was a definite 5.1 out.

Manually configure your PC to out 5.1/7.1 sound and you should be fine. Right click bottom right speaker, select 'SonyAVAMP' and configure it. I'm no techie or audiophile, but if there is anything else you want to ask, feel free.
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post #156 of 233
12/4/12 at 7:07am
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Originally Posted by drwilliamsburg View Post

Hi. I just bought mine. It arrived today and, while I have not set it up properly yet, I did test it on my Zenbook UX32VD (nVidia graphics card) and it did work.
In my case, the receiver did not detect Dolby or DTS coming from the source (LED did not light up), but the sound was not stereo, because when I toggled to stereo using the receiver 'effect' button, the sound changed significantly. I wasn't watching a DVD or Bluray though, just playing a movie file off my PC, so maybe this is why the receiver did not detect the audio stream. If you want this for Christmas, all I can do is recommend them. I also plugged them into my PS3 and the 'Pro Logic II' symbol came on. When I loaded 'Batman: Arkham Asylum', the 'Pro Logic II' symbol switched off and changed to one of the Dolby ones... so that was a definite 5.1 out.
Manually configure your PC to out 5.1/7.1 sound and you should be fine. Right click bottom right speaker, select 'SonyAVAMP' and configure it. I'm no techie or audiophile, but if there is anything else you want to ask, feel free.

Okey, that's good to hear! smile.gif Do you have the option of testing it with a blu-ray movie that contains DTS-HD or TrueHD sound? From your PC I mean.
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post #157 of 233
12/4/12 at 8:07am
I do not. Sorry. I will try to load a REMUX image of The new Batman movie using Daemon Tools, which will 'fool' my PC into thinking an actual BD disk has been inserted into my PC. When I have done this and tested it out, I will let you know.

Do you know a lot about audio?

On my PS3, I disabled all the lossy compressions (Dolby etc) and simply set my Audio Output to the bottom three Linear PCM 7.1 options. I read on another forum that, since the PS3 cannot send lossless sound through HDMI, this would make my PS3 decode the source audio and then bitstream it to my MDR-7500.

Configured as I have described, the Dolby LED no longer lights up (only Pro Logic II is lit), yet I still have EXCELLENT sound coming out of my headphones... does this mean I am listening to Dolby TrueHD or DTS HD-Master, or are games not made in those formats?
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post #158 of 233
12/4/12 at 9:44am
Okey, that would be nice. I'm also using Daemon Tools when I'm playing Blu-ray movies. I would suggest PowerDVD 12 for that, since it's the best player (that's just what I think) since it handles DTS-HD and TrueHD and many others very well.

When it comes to PS3, those games has DTS or Dlby digital audio. They arn't lossless audio. DTS streams up to 1510K/s, while Dolby Digital streams 640kb/ s. Both of these has a constant bitrate which DTS-HD and TrueHD doesn't. Now, PS3 doesn't support uncompressed audio, like DTS-HD and TrueHD. It will decompress it to DTS or Dolby. They still has great sound quality, but they are not as good as the lossless ones.
Unfortunately, I don't know so much about PS3 since I don't own one my self so I can't really help you on that one. The only thing I can tell you, is that if you're using it as a Blu-ray player, I would recommend to use a "real" blu-ray player or use the computer.

Why not the Dolby LED arn't showing, I can't tell. But the Pro Logic II uses the source audio (if it's 5.1) and adds two more channels so that it becomes 7.1. Can't that be turned off?
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post #159 of 233
12/5/12 at 8:30am
1. The PS3 is actually capable of decoding lossless (DTS Master & TrueHD)... it just cannot output it for decoding elsewhere. I wasn't sure whether they were making games with lossless sound or not yet, so that's why I asked, but the notion that PS3 cannot decode source audio losslessly is incorrect.

PS3 (Decode disk source audio) > AMP (Passthrough) > Output to speaker 7.1 DTS Master/TrueHD

PS3 (Downscales audio to Dolby 5.1/DTS for decoding at AMP) > AMP decodes Dolby 5.1/DTS > AMP Reproduces sound Dolby/DTS

As you can see, it depends where you do your decoding. If you enter setup>sound options>audio sound output>HDMI> Manual and deselect all audio output options except the Linear PCM ones (all), the PS3 will decode your audio, which is what you want if you are watching a BluRay film on your PS3, since many BluRay films have lossless audio. There was something in another forum about PS3 and Dolby TrueHD compatibility issues, but that's another, somewhat more complex thing...

I was just wondering whether this applied to games as well.

2. I kind of answered your second question with my first: your LED won't light up because your AMP is NOT receiving a Dolby signal. It is receiving a decoded bitstream that it is outputting to the speaker/headset, so that's why the light will not come on if you use your PS3 to decode BluRay audio for lossless sound.

3. Unfortunately I don't have a BluRay player. My PS3 can play Blurays, though, and as I said, lossless sound is available for decoding at the PS3 level, so buying a BluRay player, in this context, will not provide me with any advantage over my PS3.

4. Yes, matrix on the MDR-7500 can be switched off in certain situations, but I have found it sounds better with it on. This is just like 'Compression'... people on here seem to have a problem with it, because, essentially, it is the reduction of dynamic range, but in my experience the MDR-7500s really do sound a lot 'fuller' with audio compression. Now, please note I am not an audiophile and have regular, untrained ears, so I may be typing crap here, but that's how I feel.

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post #160 of 233
12/6/12 at 10:51am
Joar

My 4x2 matrix and 6 HDMI cables arrived today.

I could not set up the system as I planned, the reason being that my matrix switch did not reproduce my PC desktop on my monitor when I included it in the following connection

PC out> Switch > (output 1) HT-CT & (output 2) > TV HDMI 1 / TV HDMI 2

The mouse was the only thing I could see. The matrix switch did work until windows booted, so I saw all that stuff before, but when it came to the log-on screen, I could only see the mouse.

I gather this is my f@#%ing graphics card, which is brand new, and which I upgraded because my friend told me to (I was happy with my apparently crappy NVDIA G210). I now have an AMD Radeon 7750 Ultimate (manufactured by Sapphire). When it comes to sound, it refuses to out anything other than stereo irrespective of your setup (known issue) and, in this case, it didn't produce a graphics display with my matrix switch, despite doing so when wired directly into both the MDR and my HT-CT150 headphones. I rewired like so:
PS3 > MDR HDMI 1 > TV
PC out > HT-CT 150 out> MDR HDMI 2> TV
Zenbook > 4x2 Switch > HT-CT150
> MDR
MDR > TV
HT-CT 150 > TV

The switch works on my laptop's Nvidia G620M, reproducing the desktop on my TV with the option of audio out from the HT-CT150 sound bar or my MDR headphones.
In other words, I am making use of the 4x2 switch by using it to route my laptop's (13.3") HDMI out to the headphones/amplifier, but its a terrible waste considering I use my PC when I'm home... I would sent the matrix switch back, but it works perfectly. I have a good mind to remove my graphics card and put in my old Nvidia, which sent 5.1 out into my HT-CT 150 sound bar. Perhaps this is stupid, but...

Oh well... the price of experimentation.
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post #161 of 233
12/7/12 at 8:19am
drwilliamsburg

That's strange that it didn't work. I can't really tell why it didn't work, but it seems like it has worked for others who has bought the switch. Maybe it's because of the graphics card, I don't know.

But, when you have tested the MDR DS-7500 with your laptop and played a blu-ray movie with DTS-HD or TrueHD, can you tell me if it worked? That's about the only thing I want to know, if it works. smile.gif

Where did you buy yours? I have looked on the webside "Rakuten" which sells them for 372 dollars plus shipping. They only take bank transfer as a only payment method. I don't really feel like it's safe to pay like that. How did you do?
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post #162 of 233
12/7/12 at 12:55pm
Thanks for all the info on these Wireless cans. Could any buddy tell me if I send a dts signal thru the hdmi in will that dts signal go out of the optical out?
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post #163 of 233
12/8/12 at 6:42am
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Thanks for all the info on these Wireless cans. Could any buddy tell me if I send a dts signal thru the hdmi in will that dts signal go out of the optical out?

Well, since I don't have the headphone yet, I can't really tell.
But maybe you can answear my question that I have been asking in a few posts here. I would be happily to get some tips/answers, since I would love to have them! smile.gif
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post #164 of 233
12/9/12 at 8:43am
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Didn't know where else to post this, so I thought I'd post it here. This one looks like a definite buy for me. I already own a pair of wireless Pioneer Dolby Headphones, but as an apartment dweller I've been waiting for something like this for a long time.


Apparently it decodes all the major formats, 7.1 PCM, DTS-HD MA, TrueHD, etc,etc. Also matrixs Pro-Logic IIz.

Thanks for all the info on these Wireless cans. Could any buddy tell me if I send a dts signal thru the hdmi in will that dts signal go out of the optical out?
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post #165 of 233
12/11/12 at 2:13am
1) The culprit is my graphics card. That is why my setup did not work.

2) I tested the new Batman film yesterday and it did work. The output was 7.1 PCM decoded (losslessly) from DTS 7.1 Master Audio. The DTS Master LED did not light up on the AMP, however, because the option to decode the audio at the MDR-7500 AMP was not available in my media player options (so the bitstream underwent lossless decoding at the source). The cans sounded great.

3) The signal will pass through if you plug a OPT cable into the PASSTHROUGH OPT port at the back of the AMP. This will mean you need an extra OPT cable, as well as the relevant processing attributes at the screen/amp to which you plan to send the signal.
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post #166 of 233
12/11/12 at 6:39am
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Originally Posted by drwilliamsburg View Post

1) The culprit is my graphics card. That is why my setup did not work.
Did you try plugging your PC directly into the headphone amp via HDMI cable? It could be your 4x2 Matrix switch. Don't use ARC! It will give you all sorts of problems.
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post #167 of 233
12/11/12 at 9:36am
drwilliamsburg


Try to play the blu-ray movie using Cyberlinc PowerDVD 12 Ultra. It can handle all the blu-ray lossless sounds, it's the best media player.
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post #168 of 233
12/12/12 at 2:27am
I did play it using that exact software. The results are as I indicated.

I also tested it on VLC player and it output the exact same sound/quality.
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post #169 of 233
12/12/12 at 2:33am
I didn't because doing so would not serve my purposes. I need my PC hooked to both the HT-CT150 and the MDR, and my graphics card has only one HDMI out.

My current setup is working excellently. I am experiencing absolutely no problems.

The only thing is that I spent quite a bit of cash on a 4x2 Matrix switch that I am vastly underusing. That might change in the future if I buy more hardware.

Currently, my laptop feeds one HDMI in, and the Matrix box feeds two out: one to each of my two amps. Three HDMI inputs are just sitting pretty!

I could have got away with a 1X2 Matrix switch, which is a quarter of the price. Oh well, you live and learn.
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post #170 of 233
12/12/12 at 9:58am
I have now found out that my graphics card doesn't support lossless audio frown.gif My graphics card, (GTX 570) has the wrong circuit for being able to bitstream HD audio. The weard thing is that 460, 450 and the cards that are lower than 570, they support it.

FML!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Edited by Joar Blom - 12/13/12 at 8:34am
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post #171 of 233
12/16/12 at 1:28am
Drwilliamsburg:
I can't remember off the top of my head if any PS3 games have truehd/dts-hdma audio but I do know some ps3 games have uncompressed multichannel PCM audio.

Joar Blom:
Even if you can't bitstream with your gfx card couldn't you set your playback software to decode the lossless codecs to multichannel PCM? You'd still get lossless audio to your headphones. The only difference is that your pc is doing the decoding not the sony unit, therefore you won't see the dts-hd or truehd light appear on the unit.
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post #172 of 233
12/21/12 at 12:13pm
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Joar Blom:
Even if you can't bitstream with your gfx card couldn't you set your playback software to decode the lossless codecs to multichannel PCM? You'd still get lossless audio to your headphones. The only difference is that your pc is doing the decoding not the sony unit, therefore you won't see the dts-hd or truehd light appear on the unit.

Joar, this is exactly what I am doing.

If you are still using Cyber you can left click the mouse in full screen mode when a movie is playing and select 'show information'. This will display what audio output the software is decoding & sending to your headphones, but please note that your MDR amp WILL NOT light up to show that DTS master audio is playing, for example.

Ok?
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post #173 of 233
12/21/12 at 3:11pm
I haven't said anything else. You quoted what Kaibrok said to me so...
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post #174 of 233
12/26/12 at 4:30pm
Roger,
I am interested in buying these HPs. Ready to pull the trigger. But I am interested in the manual translation. I think many of the configuration/operational issue are to not understanding the manual. I tried using Google translator but all I get are squares versus the Japanese characters. What am I doing wrong? Do I need the Pro version of Acrobat? .... Well, since you have done some translation, have you translated the operation sections? Can you share them with the group? I have seen some of the translation of the feature descriptive portions of the manual on Head-Fi forum from curiousgeorgieo. They are found in a review he did Feb 2012.
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post #175 of 233
12/26/12 at 8:10pm
^^ When you do a cut/paste of the Japanese characters into something like a Word doc, you should see them, not boxes. If you do, then Google translate should see them, too.

I did a few translations on pages 23-35. As you can see, accuracy is not very high. Sony headphone manual.pdf 1805k .pdf file
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post #176 of 233
12/31/12 at 12:58am
To my mind, there are no operational complexities at all. If you go through the posts, you will soon realise that many people are asking about whether intended setups will work or not. Some will work, some will not - if you post your intended setup, I will try to help you out.

If you think the manual holds some special key, you are mistaken. It is right beside me, and I can confirm that it does not contain anything we have not discussed in this thread.
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post #177 of 233
12/31/12 at 12:59am
Yes, I know that. I was just letting you know that what Kalbrok said is what I did to set up my system.
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post #178 of 233
1/4/13 at 10:30pm
It is my understanding that the mdr-ds 7500 cans have a transmission range of 30m ....can anyone clarify if these get that range effectively?...Thanks!
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post #179 of 233
1/7/13 at 4:24am
If by clarify you mean verify then no, I cannot guarantee they will work up to 30M, but they should...
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post #180 of 233
1/7/13 at 8:23am
@ drwilliamsburg..yes i meant verify! Thnx for ur reply....Its rather difficult to send these back since theyr shipped frm Japan. I just want to be confident when i buy these...I'll keep asking this same question until i am convinced!
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