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post #31 of 85
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Originally Posted by Lawguy View Post

Wow. Truth is that I just assumed that the tw9000 was reflective. It looked like the reflective model that was never released.

Sorry if I mislead anyone or got their hopes up. Where are the reflective models? Epson has given up on them?

Kraine write on his french forum that Epson confirm that they will launch the LCOS later this year. He says more detail to come...
post #32 of 85
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Originally Posted by RickAVManiac View Post

Kraine write on his french forum that Epson confirm that they will launch the LCOS later this year. He says more detail to come...

That is depressing to hear that these may not be ready to go by now. How much 'later'??
post #33 of 85
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Originally Posted by millerwill View Post

That is depressing to hear that these may not be ready to go by now. How much 'later'??

Epson say before the end of 2011...
post #34 of 85
By then everyone will have bought something else and Epson will have missed the boat like last year.
post #35 of 85
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Originally Posted by RickAVManiac View Post

Epson say before the end of 2011...

They had a d*&% year to get it done! What are they waiting for?
post #36 of 85
I would assume they want to highlight their 3D units first as it seems that is what most people are interested in. A good point in that is maybe their LCOS units might be priced lower because they are only 2D and they won't have the fanfare. Well one can only hope.
post #37 of 85
Since I have no interest in 3D, I am avidly waiting for the LCOS Epsons...if they can throw a better 2D image than their 3D Cousins, that would be fantastic...and also their price should be lower...hoping to hear from those LCOS Epsons soon...
post #38 of 85
me too.
post #39 of 85
I am waiting for the LCOS Epsons as well but if they don't have 3D I'll probably skip those . The Sony has me interested in 3D now.
post #40 of 85
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Originally Posted by WTS View Post

...maybe their LCOS units might be priced lower because they are only 2D and they won't have the fanfare. Well one can only hope.

Yes we can!
post #41 of 85
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Originally Posted by Lawguy View Post

The TW-9000 looks really good to me from these specs!

More info please!

I would like to know what the native on/off CR and ANSI CR is on this unit before it really got my attention. Disappointing to read in this thread that so far the reflective LCD is a no show!
post #42 of 85
Morning video

post #43 of 85
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Originally Posted by kraine View Post

Morning video


I seem to remember a video this time last yr from epson talking about there new upcoming projectors..
Projectors of which over this side of the pond we have still never seen....
post #44 of 85
Are Epson using larger chips for increased brightness?
post #45 of 85
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Originally Posted by millerwill View Post

They had a d*&% year to get it done! What are they waiting for?

Maybe they had a delay because of the events in Japan or maybe they just haven't come to grips with manufacturing LCOS. Remember Intel tried and gave up. Until Sony and especially JVC really took it to another level, LCOS looked like it might be an extreme niche product if not going away.

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Originally Posted by ekscden View Post

By then everyone will have bought something else and Epson will have missed the boat like last year.

Really, what are the alternatives? A lot of people wait for JVC to bring out their pjs and look how long it takes them.
post #46 of 85
Projector Central just put up information on new Epson models for US.

http://www.projectorcentral.com/proj...ntry_id=449&em

5 new models for US according to projector reviews.

http://www.projectorreviews.com/blog...-a-first-look/
post #47 of 85
Does the wireless version of the high-end Epson actually lack 3D? (Art seems to say this is the case in his blurb.)
post #48 of 85
What type of lens shift do the Epson's have.?
post #49 of 85
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by rwestley View Post

What type of lens shift do the Epson's have.?

The more expensive ones have horizontal and vertical, the cheaper dont seem to have any.. see the starting post..
post #50 of 85
I will be shocked if they don't, will be a total deal breaker for me, I thought nearly all lcds had lens shift I remember owning ax200e for £800 and even that managed lens shift! Surely surely
post #51 of 85
Based on info so far, the US models are different from the European ones in more than just model number.

The 5010e is said to have wireless but be only 2D, while the TW9000W is 3D and wireless. Interesting. Same with the 3010e and the TW6000W.

3010 is being released at $1,600 USD as compared to $1650 EU for the TW6000. Well, at least the 5010 should be reasonably within my price range as a result.
post #52 of 85
For the US market it sounds like the x010 models will have 'e' and non-'e' versions. The 'e'-versions will have wireless HD whereas the non-'e'-versions will be traditional wired projectors with '3D'. Personally I would take the 3D feature over wireless HD. You still need to run power so you will never be totally wireless.

I am still using my PC1080UB and getting ready to change the bulb. At this point I wonder if I should sell it with the 2nd bulb still boxed.
post #53 of 85
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Originally Posted by paul77 View Post

I will be shocked if they don't, will be a total deal breaker for me, I thought nearly all lcds had lens shift I remember owning ax200e for £800 and even that managed lens shift! Surely surely

I would be very surprised if the new x010 line did not have lens shift. As others have said most low priced LCD home theater units have had the feature for years. Lens shift is pretty easy to implement on LCD.

The veritical lens shift on the Epsons have had the ability to place the entire image above or below the centerline of the lens if the unit was roughly centered on the horizontal access.
post #54 of 85
The last number of generations of Epsons have also had a 2.1:1 zoom ratio, where the 3010 appears to have 1.6x like the European counterparts ( based on published photos of the 3010 with a recessed lens without any play around the body aperture and no visible lens shift wheels on the top of the body).

Even on LCD, lens shift requires wider diameter elements. Perhaps the tradeoff for high lumens, new panels, 3D, and 2 pair of active glasses made sacrifices in the lens necessary to hit the $1599 price point. The fact that the 8350 still seems to be in the 2011 lineup bolsters the idea that the 3010 is a 'tween' machine between the 8350 and the 5010.

I guess we'll see shortly.

Jonathan
post #55 of 85
Is this old info or new info?

http://files.support.epson.com/pdf/p.../plpc31kug.pdf


Edit: It shows this to be 2010. Is the info the same and what is coming out this year?
post #56 of 85
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Originally Posted by rgathright View Post

Is this old info or new info?

http://files.support.epson.com/pdf/p.../plpc31kug.pdf


Edit: It shows this to be 2010. Is the info the same and what is coming out this year?

Those are the Reflective LCD, aka R-LCD, models that Epson planned to get to market last year but failed to deliver. They are still in the product plan, but this year its about competing in the 3D arena and that means getting cost effective traditional LCD models to the market.

R-LCD is basically Epson's answer to LCOS, BUT even though they plan to get them to market there is NO plan to have a 3D R-LCD model.

The R-LCD models I think were designed to compete with JVC DiLA and the higher end Sony SXRD models and those competitors are already offering 3D. So personally I think the R-LCD will quietly miss this year again. Epson is introducing a new traditional LCD panel, the D9, which is the basis for all its new 3D LCD projectors and their main competitor the Panny PT-AE7000. The new D9 panel offers a faster refresh rate, 480Hz, and better native contrast than the previous widely available D7 panel.

The new 3D models are the 3010 (replaces the 8350UB), 5010(8700UB), 6010(9700UB) in the US market. The 5010/6010 are essentially the same model and will go by TW9000 in the European market.
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post #58 of 85
Is there any info on the Epson 21000?
post #59 of 85
Pro Cinema 61000 is "under $5k" and includes a spare lamp and a three year warranty. Please let it be good!
post #60 of 85
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Originally Posted by Lawguy View Post

Pro Cinema 61000 is "under $5k" and includes a spare lamp and a three year warranty. Please let it be good!

Just heard that on the youtube video as well. If only this model had 3D.
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