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post #31 of 104
Guys, I want to put to rest that the German Blu-ray is an up-convert. I have it and can assure you that it is definitely a true 1080p presentation. I have seen Hellbound many times on many formats including seeing it back in the day in the theater and it has never looked better than it does here. Does the image look soft? Yes. But I can tell you it is part of the original photography and will never look better. The only issue I noticed is a small amount of dnr. But overall I am very pleased with the German Blu-ray. Looks and sound fantastic on my 60" Sharp display.
post #32 of 104
If there's even marginal improvement over the AB dvd I'll probably pick it up at some point, but wait until it drops below $10
post #33 of 104
Since the hdtv is better than the german disc the statement "will never look better" is ridiculous. And since Hellraiser 1 used the same master for the UK/US AND german disc although the german has a little more DNR than the others it's pretty safe to guess the same goes for Hellbound. The only ones I hope have a different transfer is the japanese discs coming out any day now but those may be cut instead
post #34 of 104
Poster over on blu-ray.com got it. Vaguely described it as "looks lower bitrate". Apparently bare bones like Hellraiser. Bummer.
post #35 of 104
Yeah read that too. Though Hellraiser is saved with the older UK/US disc with extras and great PQ. Now the problem is Hellbound and Hellraiser 3.
post #36 of 104
Hellbound is definitely HD, it's just soft and smokey. Could be better probably, but still certainly not an upconvert.
post #37 of 104
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Originally Posted by Fanboyz View Post

Hellbound is definitely HD, it's just soft and smokey. Could be better probably, but still certainly not an upconvert.

Yeah it's no upconvert, it does look pretty bad though.
post #38 of 104
It alternates between somewhat better than the DVD, and much better than the DVD.
post #39 of 104
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Originally Posted by NagysAudio View Post
So I've looked at Best Buy, Target, and Wal Mart and none of these chains are stocking Hellbound: Hellraiser II on Blu-Ray. Therefore, I have nothing to post I'll be placing an order an Amazon in the near future. Where are all of the reviews for this Blu-Ray?
I have it but have only watched some scenes on my computer.

It's the unrated version that has the Kirsty's room sequence (99 minutes)

It has grain, that's for sure. It's soft like most 80's horror flicks. Can't comment about the sound as my PC speakers aren't really great.

I'd say it's an upgrade from the DVD but the disc is barebones. Trailer is the only extra. Disc size is 16.8 GB.
post #40 of 104
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Originally Posted by NagysAudio View Post
Those two images originated in Germany on a German forum. Why are we so sure that this is from Image Entertainment's Blu-Ray of Hellbound: Hellraiser II?? Image Entertainment is only distributing this in United States. The German Blu-Rays were distributed by Kinowelt, who certainly used a different transfer.

Why would someone in Germany have the American disc before anyone in America? On top of that, Image's discs are region A locked, making all of this extremely unlikely.
I created the screenshot from the Image BD. It is a common practice that retailers who ship US discs to Europe are shipping the discs 3-4 weeks before official US release date.


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Could be better probably, but still certainly not an upconvert.
Do you have technical reason for that opinion. I see the noise of the DVD and BD being pretty similar and digital looking. That and the almost non-existent increase in detail points into the upscale direction.
post #41 of 104
I read that another user now has the japanese boxset at home now but very little time. Said transfer for 1 and 3 looked pretty good. 2 looked soft (maybe same transfer like germany/us?) Lets hope for a nice screenshot comparison soon
post #42 of 104
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Originally Posted by Rathbone View Post

I created the screenshot from the Image BD.

Oh? Any chance you could repost them here, or over at the Blu-ray.com forum?
post #43 of 104
post #44 of 104
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Originally Posted by plissken99 View Post

Wow, the DVD actually looks better. Haven't had that reaction since the UK Escape From New York blu ray. Truly disgusting.

It's certainly not an incredible difference, but if you call that DVD "better"... I don't even know what to say to that.

Thanks Fenders and MSGohan - I'm clearly not with it today. I'm sure it's an older transfer and it's a shame I'll have to keep the DVD around for any extras, but this has convinced me it'll be worth picking up sometime before Halloween.
post #45 of 104
Scene from Hellraiser Blu-ray:



Scene from Hellbound Blu-ray:



That is so clearly an upscale and the whole movie is in this horrible image quality.
post #46 of 104
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Originally Posted by Rathbone View Post

Scene from Hellraiser Blu-ray:



Scene from Hellbound Blu-ray:



That is so clearly an upscale and the whole movie is in this horrible image quality.

Good grief!
post #47 of 104
So I was right!
post #48 of 104
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Originally Posted by FendersRule View Post

So I was right!

You and me both
post #49 of 104
Somebody from image needs to address this...
post #50 of 104
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Originally Posted by Rathbone View Post

Scene from Hellraiser Blu-ray:



Scene from Hellbound Blu-ray:



That is so clearly an upscale and the whole movie is in this horrible image quality.

Just to clarify here, which two BDs are these? Are these the Image editions of both? I'm guessing Hellraiser is the Image disc due to the comparatively warmer timing
post #51 of 104
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Originally Posted by NagysAudio View Post

First of all, those images are mislabeled. They're both from the first Hellraiser film. I'm guessing the top one is from Image Entertainment's Blu-Ray and the bottom one is the Anchor Bay's DVD. Correct?

Second, anyone who says that the top image is an upscale of the bottom image has absolutely no idea of what an upscale is and, or looks like.

This is 100% NOT an upscale!!!

Bad transfer... Sure!

No, that scene is included in II as a flashback. Hence being used to compare the two releases. And they (or we, since I'm among them) are calling upscale on the bottom image (Hellraiser II). The disparity in detail is pronounced. The bottom image has the better tones, with Image's Hellraiser making every one appear to have chronic carotenosis, but that's about all.
post #52 of 104
Just to clarify: The screenshot of Hellraiser (I) is taken from the "old" Anchor Bay Blu-ray not the new Image. Personally I think the Anchor Bay BD is as good as it can get (judged by the unsoiled depcition of the grain structure) with the available master. The Image BD can only be equal or worse. Better only if they create a completely new master which I highly doubt.

Sorry if this caused some confusion.
post #53 of 104
Seemingly the transfer for "Hellbound: Hellraiser II" is the same world wide.
It's bad- but it's not an upscale. The grain is just to grainy for that to be true.
post #54 of 104
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Originally Posted by Fanboyz View Post

Seemingly the transfer for "Hellbound: Hellraiser II" is the same world wide.
It's bad- but it's not an upscale. The grain is just to grainy for that to be true.

http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergl...ess=#vergleich


So it is the best DVD ever made then?
post #55 of 104
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Originally Posted by dvdmike007 View Post

http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergl...ess=#vergleich


So it is the best DVD ever made then?

You can see in those caps that Hellraiser II is actually HD, just soft.
post #56 of 104
Insanely soft. Having viewed an actual 35mm print a few years ago, I must say, the screenshots do not in any way represent what's on the 35mm prints. This is a must avoid release.
post #57 of 104
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Originally Posted by Fanboyz View Post


You can see in those caps that Hellraiser II is actually HD, just soft.

Look at the dvd then, I never seen a dvd that close to HD
post #58 of 104
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Originally Posted by Fanboyz View Post

You can see in those caps that Hellraiser II is actually HD, just soft.

...Really? The German BD is so obviously an upscale that it borders on the ridiculous
post #59 of 104
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...Really? The German BD is so obviously an upscale that it borders on the ridiculous

As long as I'm viewing the german caps correctly...
Look at the captures of the puzzle pieces in the fullscreen 1080p comparison. Look at the width of the deliniation between pieces. There appears to be a reasonable degree of sharpness and a 1 pixel solid black line in the German BD cap. This appears as a smeary mess in the DVD cap.) This proves that Hellbound coems from an HD transfer as there is significantly more detail in this particular capture than can be handled by 480p.
If you don't understand why after viewing those captures, then I don't know how else to explain this to you.
post #60 of 104
Seems the first information on the japanese king record boxset has arrived on another forum. Specifications is up and screenshots of all movies. Based on screens I would say:

Hellraiser - old anchor bay disc still best overall, PQ and extras

Hellbound - possible tie between image disc and king records. Looks the same so probably same master and maybe even transfer?

Hellraiser 3 - king records is only disc out. 93min r-rated, OAR and grain intact so pretty nice PQ but only TrueHD 2.0 (dvd had DD5.1 and DTS 5.1) Upcoming german disc has DTS-HD MA 5.1 but maybe cut.
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