It's official. Projectors are obsolete 750" OLED coming this fall from Sony! - Page 11

Hi, are you near sighted or/and having astigmatism? I found out if both our eyes can't focus perfectly, you will strain your eyes due to L/R image are not tally. I had a 0.5 astigmatism on my left eye and when I wear contact for 3D movie, I found out I had problem focusing on 114" projected screen from 12'. What I do to solve this problem is asking my optician to cut a lens to correct my astigmatism and use blue tack to stick to my 3D glasses.

Do a simple check as below:
1. Make sure you adjust the IPD. If L/R image is out of your IPD range, you may have a tough time to focus the image. At infinity, far object image should be your interpupil distance.
2. Do you wear glasses or have any eyesight problem? Try to out a simple test, close one eye and see if the video is sharp. Repeat with another eye and compare.
Also compare if both screen had the same brightness and images are consistence between L/R eye.

I believed there are group of people having trouble with 3D due to eye related problem. My wife can't watch 3D movie with too much pop out and will give her headache. She also can't watch movie that is shot with handycam style and the shacking will give her headache in less than 20mins. I think some people are immune to motion sickness. I'm train by Doom (ID games) to withstand motion sickness. Still remember the first time I play Doom, I had to lay on the bed for 2 hours with my head spinning around. It's the immersion that cause the headache due to our brain cannot intepret what we see and what we feel.

I thought it was stated as a 45 degree FOV which would put it just over 1 screen width away.

Okay, you got me. I'm only 99.999999999999999999999999999999998% sure. Resume your tantrum, despite that the man already said he didn't bother to adjust it.

Oh! That must mean I'm back at 100% again.

I've dealt with an HMD for quite a while (repeating myself since you don't understand)...it has reflective optics that allow you to see through the image. I know by experience what he was describing, and it isn't ghosting. It's bad alignment of the screens to his eyes. If you want to take my statement and apply it to everything on God's green earth, be my guest---I was just referring to the man and most of the press I've seen on youtube. They don't take the time to adjust the headset, therefore they get confused and frustrated and take it out on the preview.

Your effort on describing ghosting/reflections from optics accounts for very little of the actual experience...at least in my experience....with old as hell equipment. I don't see how it could get worse than what I've already seen. Your effort to derail the device is commendable though...I should agree with you to better my chances at getting one for launch. Yes...you are absolutely right. I should have known better than to use my eyes with optics!

If that's the case and the 3D presentation is superior to what's available today (and pixel structure is invisible), I'm in.


Max

Have you seen this display ?

^Nope. But I'm angered by comments from people who make statements about the Sony with "100% certainty" yet they've never even touched the thing and feel in the interest of science, the basic foundation of this forum, that they should be challenged when they make such statements of conjecture or opinion yet state it as "A 100% certainty".

I would have had no problem with a statement like:

"I suspect maybe you (rwestley) didn't set the PD carefully enough."

However to condemn and belittle our fellow forum member, rwestley, who's just trying to make a useful contribution to the thread ( since he actually got to use one), with the following condescending putdown:


is not cool in my book.

I did not have the same experience as you. Sounds like the glasses were not on your head correctly. They were very comfortable to me. They do not rest on your nose at all.

Why would you be moving around while wearing these. You need to be sitting. The glasses were demoed with out the foam rubber light blockers that fit on the bottom. The Sony guy brought them out for Mark and I and it was much more immersive with the light blocked out. You do have to adjust the eye focal point so that the screen spacing matches your eye spacing. If you don't do that, you can get a double image. For an $800 personal HT I thought that they were great.

So, how was the size of the image to you? Was it at least 150in?

Mike,

Do you know is there any way for these to work for just 2D if you can just see out of 1 eye?

Thanks,
Mike

It looked big an immersive to me when I had the light blockers in place. Hard to say, how big, you don't have a point of reference with the glasses on. I would like to have more time with them. Maybe Friday when people clear out some, I can spend more time with them.

Mike, are you guys finding out pricing and availability? I believe there were some reports that they were already in Japan.

Interesting question. I will try to remember to ask, but I think it would be fine that way for 2D. I don't see why it would not be.

thanks i would think that would be hard to judge anyways

Thanks Mike, I would think so also with 2d. I bet you have had a tiring day. Thanks for all your reports and go get some sleep.

Mike

The way I'd frame the question is - does the image cover your field of vision (if you don't move the eye around). If not, what size black borders do you see around the image - sized relative to the image size.

As long as it doesn't feel like looking at postage stamp at near distance, I'm in. Been waiting for a good HMD for years. Most 3D gamers that gather at mtbs3d are very excited with this product. Been thinking to DIY a 720p HMD using 5" LCD but looks like Sony just make my dream come true.

I do agree with Aeroflux as I had seen his contribution to HMD section in mtbs3d forum and he knows what he is talking about. It's just like 3D TV/projection. One group excited with the technology and another side keep shooting it down. We know there are advantage/disadvantage and no product can make everyone happy. Ask yourself what do you want and can you live with the compromise? I don't mind wearing dorky helmet for immersive experience as long as you don't take my photo and post it on facebook.

This pissing contest is not helping the thread. You want to continue the debate, PM me. I am more than ready to make you lose any hair you have left.

I dream of a viewer like this for 3D gaming and private movie-watching when traveling etc. But I want it in 1080p!!!

There are 5 inch LCD panels with 720p resolution?

for what i have read almost everyone who test correctly the device say is confortable and have the best 3D available now.

some say the screen is bigger and some say is a bit smaler but always looking bigger than 50" at 2m (so for me is more than fine).

unfortanly no one coment the 2D image quality of sony hmz-t1...sony is only pass 3D content on shows ?

Yes. Check out the DIY thread in mtbs3d.com forum.

I believe generally we can expect better quality than LCD TV but if Sony OLED color is oversaturated or without a Rec 709 with D65 color temp and adjustable gamma we might have a problem to get accurate video. I don't think such device come with RGB gain/cut adjustment or CMS. Maybe an external CMS will help.

They might be in Japan, but from what I was told, these are a few weeks out yet here in USA.

Thanks, but I couldn't find any there. Unless you meant the 7 inch, 4x3 aspect ratio, 1024x768 LCD screens?

Anybody living in the GTA can visit the new Sony Store at Upper Canada Mall in Newmarket to witness yourself this thing:

PS: official Canadian MSRP is also $799

When i first got my 3dtv, which i use from less than 1 meter away, I remember that moving my head from side-to-side, even a little bit, was uncomfortable and i do remember wondering if it was going to be a problem. I think it took less than a few hours of use for that to become a non-issue and its a sensation i don't notice anymore. I now have no problems gaming all day long, only motivation related problems...

I just called the Sony Style store that quoted me $500 (499.99) and now they say they don't have any information on it...

I decided after reading the posts I decided to go back and try the units again today. I was very careful to make the correct adjustments and try to be sure that they were adjusted for max comfort. I am happy to report that the results were much better. The picture was sharp with good 3d quality. I was still annoyed by the light coming in but this was the fault of Sony not using the light blocking attachment that comes with the glasses. I was told it would be too difficult to adjust for each person at the demonstration. I also asked how the size compares to a projected image and was told that it would equal a 150 inch screen. I thought it was more like 100 or 110. I was interested in what others who took the demonstration thought and I asked about 10 people. Some felt the units were uncomfortable and two people took them off in less than a minute. A few others thought they would be great for kids in the back of a Car or for games. No one thought they would replace projectors for viewing. I can also report that the suggested MAP will be $799.

^Thank you for your more detailed report (and the quick survey of other users near you was interesting too).


Do you own a home projector yourself? or are you just speaking from the experience of commercial movie theater goings?

[This will help us get your frame of reference]