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post #121 of 2311
is the consensus still that there will be a crosstalk issue while using 3d, even with the 480HZ lcd panels in the 3010?

I realize this is all speculation because, most of us haven't seen it in action, but just curious
post #122 of 2311
I briefly glanced at the introduction page of the 3010 user guide and something caught my attention. Pulled out my 8350 users guide and sure enough very similar but shorter on listed features. What really caught my attention was the dynamic contrast ratio of 40k:1 vs the 50k:1 on the 8350. I know that is dynamic but that is a step in the other direction and no lens shift. Just found that odd. with no offset, the DLP HD33 is a far more attractive solution for me right now because I know DLP does 3d right and I already have DLP Link glasses.

I may just bite on the HD33 and if it is as good as those folks over there are posting then I will ebay my 8350, or keep it too. Just hate to give up the Epson warranty.
post #123 of 2311
Was flipping through the 3010 manual, and wondering if split screen mode might be a way to in effect get horizontal lense shift. thoughts?

also interested in hearing opinions on horizontal keystone. is it universally bad, or is it ok up to a certain amount of shift? I'm looking at 12 degrees of shift for my situation; 30 degrees is max according to the manual.
post #124 of 2311
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Originally Posted by mcnizzel View Post

is the consensus still that there will be a crosstalk issue while using 3d, even with the 480HZ lcd panels in the 3010?

I realize this is all speculation because, most of us haven't seen it in action, but just curious

With the 480 hz panels, crosstalk might be gone like it is with dlp. There is no way to predict with certainty. We sometimes still see reference to minimal crosstalk with dlp when it would be most accurate to say zero crosstalk, so long as the glasses are not defective. So we will want a direct comparison between the hd33 and the 3010 by an expert. Shouldn't be too long.
post #125 of 2311
Can someone help me clarify this zero offset issue?

My understanding was that zero offset meant that the height of the lens (from the ground) would correspond to the bottom border of the image. But reading the manual for the 3010 it says, "Keep the projector level and place it at a height where its lens is centered between the top and bottom of the screen."

So which is it? lol
post #126 of 2311
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Originally Posted by Summa View Post

Can someone help me clarify this zero offset issue?

My understanding was that zero offset meant that the height of the lens (from the ground) would correspond to the bottom border of the image. But reading the manual for the 3010 it says, "Keep the projector level and place it at a height where its lens is centered between the top and bottom of the screen."

So which is it? lol

On page 13 of the manual that someone kindly posted, the zero offset is to the bottom of the image when mounted on table.
post #127 of 2311
in glancing over the manual for the 3010 again, it occurred to me that since it has a horizontal keystone slider, it would likely be taking care of the keystone correction through physical lens manipulation and not digital processing of any kind. Wouldn't that in theory provide a better image, then cheap keystone correction digitally like on most budget pj's? Its not the same as lens shift, but who really cares how it works as long as it gets a great image to the screen.
post #128 of 2311
Optical keystoning adjustment will always be better than digital keystone manipulation.
post #129 of 2311
absolutely, but I guess my point is that this PJ may not have lens shift per se, but if you can't still place this thing all kinds of crooked and get a great image to the screen I don't really care exactly how that happens, This IMHO is a perfectly acceptable substitute to lens shift, as long as it doesn't degrade or alter the picture like digital keystone does.
post #130 of 2311
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Originally Posted by mcnizzel View Post

absolutely, but I guess my point is that this PJ may not have lens shift per se, but if you can't still place this thing all kinds of crooked and get a great image to the screen I don't really care exactly how that happens, This IMHO is a perfectly acceptable substitute to lens shift, as long as it doesn't degrade or alter the picture like digital keystone does.

Interesting. Now I just hope that the first reviews (or HD33 vs 3010 comparos) highlight the offset and keystoning for those of us who are challenged in our mounting options.
post #131 of 2311
..... That's what she said. ......... Sorry, we miss Michael.
post #132 of 2311
Anyone knows something about this:

PowerLite Home Cinema 5010e Projector

•A true theater experience — 2D & 3D full HD 1080p technology puts you right in the middle of exciting, lifelike adventures
•Astounding brightness and detail — 2400 lumens color / white light output1, and an amazing contrast ratio up to 200,000:1
•Advanced 3D technology — Epson's Bright 3D Drive for enhanced brightness in 3D mode
•Rich, vibrant color and reliable performance — 3LCD, 3-chip technology
•Eliminate cables with WirelessHD — transmit and receive HD content wirelessly over short distances
•Accurate and exceptional picture quality — built-in cinema filter and Fujinon lens
•Sleek design — fits in any setting
•Split screen feature (not available in 3D mode) — project two images side-by-side from two different sources
•2D-to-3D conversion — easily transform 2D images to spectacular 3D
Amazingly sharp, crisp images — motorized pixel alignment
•Outstanding support — two-year limited warranty; two-business-day replacement with free shipping

(from official Epson site)

A motorized pixel alignment is a great feature for every 3chip vpr, specially for Epson, with its huge issues about misconvergence....

http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/j...seBVCookie=yes
post #133 of 2311
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Originally Posted by Summa View Post

My understanding was that zero offset meant that the height of the lens (from the ground) would correspond to the bottom border of the image. But reading the manual for the 3010 it says, "Keep the projector level and place it at a height where its lens is centered between the top and bottom of the screen."

I didn't notice this earlier. It is indeed a poorly written user manual.

I went by the diagram. The definition of offset given below says it is from the bottom of the image. Definitely something that needs to be confirmed by calling Epson.



ps : I wonder whether these kinds of mistakes are because the manual was originally taken from a projector that had lens shift and then changed. So, we see the center of the screen (which would be the case for a projector with lens shift) - also a picture of the projector placed on a side table.
post #134 of 2311
I know that the new Epson PJ's aren't out yet, but going by the specs, how do you expect the 2d picture quality of the 3010 and 5010 to compare to the 8350? I know the 5010 will probably have a better picture, but just wondering about the 3010 compared to the 8350? Does the 480hz chip make a difference in PQ?
post #135 of 2311
in terms of projecting a static image the faster refresh rate of 480HZ shouldn't make a difference, but in fast motion scenes, football games, video games etc. It should make a giant difference to how motion is handled when compared to the 8350. The 3010 has frame interpolation I thought I read somewhere as well, which would make sense. These two features working together will be able to product a very fluid image. It is one of the reasons I'm stoked on the 3010 already. I've been shopping for 8350's lately and just installed one in a client's house actually. Now I think I'm waiting to get the 3010, hopefully I can get it on a discount. BBUY actually honored a 12% coupon readily available on the internet for the epson 8350 I just bought... that would make a decent adjustment to the higher priced 3010.

also, as I mentioned before those of us who are particularly budget aware, may be able to get the 3010 and make some cash selling the bundled 3d glasses to those of us that have more than one friend.
post #136 of 2311
I just caved. Saw new 8350 for $1053+30 shipping and bit. Will return to 3D in a year or two when lens shifting 3D PJs go for $1000, glasses are $20 and my Fios has a dozen+ 3D channels....

Will be watching football & 1080p MKV movies on a 106" screen next week!
post #137 of 2311
I almost bought the 8350 this week for $999 but decided to wait to hear more about the 3010 2d quality.
post #138 of 2311
I am disappointed that the 5010/6010 projectors don't have lens memory or motorized zoom and focus at this price point. Last year's 21000/31000/61000 projectors were all supposed to have these features, and they never materialized.

I know the 61000 is being released this year, but at $5,000!! I want to see the 21000 released under $3,000 with 500,000:1 CR, close to 2000 lumens, and lens memory, or at least the model 5010 with lens memory added! If Epson does either of these things, they could take a lot of business away from Panasonic. What is so hard about lens memory?!?! Most of us don't care about wireless projectors or 3D - that's not going to pull buyers away from Panasonic.

Come on Epson - I want to buy from you, but you just aren't building projectors with the feature set I want!
post #139 of 2311
where is the 8350 available for 999??
post #140 of 2311
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Originally Posted by mcnizzel View Post
where is the 8350 available for 999??
$1053+30 shipping at Elec. Expo via Amazon... no tax.

$999 was at Fry's in store only w/ tax. Deal is over anyway.
post #141 of 2311
I am not interested in any 3D.

I wonder if the 8700 will be on sale soon.
post #142 of 2311
Will the color of the 5010 only come in white?
post #143 of 2311
since it is not for sale yet, there is always a chance it will change before then. But it certainly appears that the 5010 and 3010 will be available in white only.

If its huge concern for you, you could do what I did, and get black car vinyl wrap. I applied this to one of my projectors, it goes on easily, stays on forever, and leaves no residue when removed, I know it is kind of a pain, but it does the trick and paying more for the 6xxx JUST for the black casing is over kill in my book
post #144 of 2311
Was about to pull the trigger on the 8350 for the outdoor cinema I am building and these babies pop up...

Now I need to decide if I think 3D is worth it. Tempting but those active glasses are so expensive!
post #145 of 2311
it appears the glasses included are IR glasses, already that kinda makes this not a good deal. and maybe i'm wrong, but it looks like you can buy wireless HDMI equipment relatively cheaply if thats a major issue. in my case if I ceilingmount it, I'd have to run power cable anyway so not really a big deal.
post #146 of 2311
Like someone else said above, very disappointing Epson didn't include lens memory on the 5010/6010, is looking like a deal killer for me will end up checking out JVC RS45 instead although I love Epson as a company would have loved to buy their new projector but not including lens memory at the high MSRPs on the 5010/6010 is not good.
post #147 of 2311
Does the RS45 include lens memory?
post #148 of 2311
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Originally Posted by ClemsonKev View Post

$1053+30 shipping at Elec. Expo via Amazon... no tax.

$999 was at Fry's in store only w/ tax. Deal is over anyway.

I saw the Fry's deal too. My read is that it was $1100. So $1200, then the $100 discount. Did anyone go in and buy on this deal? Would be good to know if the 8350 is actually going down to $1000.
post #149 of 2311
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Originally Posted by giudante View Post

Anyone knows something about this:

PowerLite Home Cinema 5010e Projector

oA true theater experience -- 2D & 3D full HD 1080p technology puts you right in the middle of exciting, lifelike adventures
oAstounding brightness and detail -- 2400 lumens color / white light output1, and an amazing contrast ratio up to 200,000:1
oAdvanced 3D technology -- Epson's Bright 3D Drive for enhanced brightness in 3D mode
oRich, vibrant color and reliable performance -- 3LCD, 3-chip technology
oEliminate cables with WirelessHD -- transmit and receive HD content wirelessly over short distances
oAccurate and exceptional picture quality -- built-in cinema filter and Fujinon lens
oSleek design -- fits in any setting
oSplit screen feature (not available in 3D mode) -- project two images side-by-side from two different sources
o2D-to-3D conversion -- easily transform 2D images to spectacular 3D
oAmazingly sharp, crisp images -- motorized pixel alignment
oOutstanding support -- two-year limited warranty; two-business-day replacement with free shipping

(from official Epson site)

A motorized pixel alignment is a great feature for every 3chip vpr, specially for Epson, with its huge issues about misconvergence....

http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/j...seBVCookie=yes

Big big news there!
post #150 of 2311
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Originally Posted by mcnizzel View Post

gizmodo says the 3010 will not do 2d to 3d conversion on the fly like the others will.

I don't view that as a huge loss, I can't imagine the 3d experience generated on the fly like that would be that great.

Dah... No lens shift and no 2D to 3D conversion on the 3010 could be a deal breaker for me. There is no 3D channel still in Canada and not a lot of movies yet. So I hope the 5010 will sell 2000$-ish but not too positive about that. Maybe I should wait a little more for 3D then.
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