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Although the manuals are certainly incomplete for some reason (no mention of the panel alignment feature for example).
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Originally Posted by DigitalGriffin View Post

That's a let down.

That was the POINT I was trying to communicate - Same Box different color.
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does anyone know will the 6010 have wireless hdmi? I have heard mention of it in some 5010e reviews but nothing in the 6010 manual
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Originally Posted by iwanrs View Post

Anyone received 5010 yet ?

UPS says mine will be here Monday (12/5/11) in the afternoon..
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Just got off the phone with Mark from AV Science 5010's are in, just placed my order. If you were on the preorder list be expecting a call. Should have mine in a week or two, getting it qc'd and calibrated which I highly recommend they did my 6500ub.
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Originally Posted by Cparker340 View Post

Just got off the phone with Mark from AV Science 5010's are in, just placed my order. If you were on the preorder list be expecting a call. Should have mine in a week or two, getting it qc'd and calibrated which I highly recommend they did my 6500ub.

Do you have to wait until you get about a 50 hours on the bulb before you calibrate?
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Originally Posted by harthenry View Post

Do you have to wait until you get about a 50 hours on the bulb before you calibrate?

Yeah, in my limited experience it's kind of a waste to calibrate before you have at least 50 hours on the bulb. The bulb changes a lot in the first 100 hours. This is what I do: I do a basic quickie calibration at 50 hours. Then at 100 hours I do a full calibraion. Others may have different opinions, but for my PJ and my buddies PJs that I've done, that's works out pretty well.
post #1538 of 2311
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Originally Posted by MikeSRC View Post


I can't speak for Projector Central, but as the guy that does all the measurments and calibration for Projector Reviews, I can tell you that I measure the maximum level in a 100 IRE window, at mid zoom, in each picture mode, AFTER adjusting contrast and brightness. I do also take readings at full wide and tele zoom as well. I find that if I max out everything that could possibly affect the luem output, I can get a maximum reading closer (and sometimes higher) to PC's. As we are often reviewing pre-production units, there can also be quite a variation between test units.

In any event, I would just compare any projector with others reviewed by the same site, where everything is done the same way. As far as the 5010 is concerned, it definitely has better black levels than the Panny, but I wouldn't say they're any different than a 8700 that I own.

Mike
The 3010 has a calibrated brightness of 1400+ lumens in its best mode. The 5010 approx 600+ in the same mode. Both according to Projector Reviews. I am assuming that these are apples to apples comparisons, both for 2D. If so, why the huge difference especially since the 5010 has a higher manufacturer specified brightness?

If this question has been answered previously in this huge thread can someone point me to the answer? Thanks
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Yesterday after a longer than expected day at work I was surprised to find that the 5010 I had ordered from Projector people had showed up along with the four sets of glasses I ordered. The projector is replacing the original epson home cinema 1080 and all I can say is WOW!. Over thanksgiving I did have the 3010, purchased from best buy, for a few days and liked it but not enough to keep it. The 5010 uncalibrated straight out of the box simply blows me away. The blacks are inky and the colors really seem to pop. The 3d was really impressive especially in terms of brightness and contrast. I watched the opening scenes from Tron and was really impressed. I didn't notice any of the issues that were mentioned in the pre-production models so I'm looking forward to getting this calibrated to see what it is really capable of.
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Cool!

Do you have Rock Band for ps3 or Xbox? I would very much appreciate an informal latency value.

... Altan

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Originally Posted by jasond71 View Post

Yesterday after a longer than expected day at work I was surprised to find that the 5010 I had ordered from Projector people had showed up along with the four sets of glasses I ordered. The projector is replacing the original epson home cinema 1080 and all I can say is WOW!. Over thanksgiving I did have the 3010, purchased from best buy, for a few days and liked it but not enough to keep it. The 5010 uncalibrated straight out of the box simply blows me away. The blacks are inky and the colors really seem to pop. The 3d was really impressive especially in terms of brightness and contrast. I watched the opening scenes from Tron and was really impressed. I didn't notice any of the issues that were mentioned in the pre-production models so I'm looking forward to getting this calibrated to see what it is really capable of.
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Originally Posted by jasond71 View Post

Yesterday after a longer than expected day at work I was surprised to find that the 5010 I had ordered from Projector people had showed up along with the four sets of glasses I ordered.

Input lag, pretty please?


http://tft.vanity.dk/
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Originally Posted by thedavej View Post

Is this typical of projectors, claiming a price of $3k, then when it actually hits the streets it has a lower price? I would wait for the 5010 if it were around $2k, but at $3k its a little too high. Might end up going with the 8350.

It is typical of manufacturers to have an MSRP that is a little high. Resellers then can set a price by adjusting what is called a multiplier. IE: a multiplier of .85 on a $1000 item would result in $850. This way, the OEM (ie: Epson), does not have to continually reprint sales fliers with prices that reflect supply and demand curves.
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You know, I never thought it would be this hard to find an HDTV tuner for my 5010 projector.

I have cable, however, over the air (OTA) has a superior picture to cable and having a picture that spans more than 120" diag, every little bit of quality helps. My challenge is, I do not want a PC with card (Hauppauge) there are compression artifacts (no true pass-thru of OTA). I do not want a cable box (cable boxes are expensive, and not sure if they are all switchable between OTA and OTA/Cable).

All I want for Christmas is a HDTV tuner for my Epson 5010 for OTA.
Anybody know of one, or a good thread here on AVSForum for me to jump into?
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Originally Posted by harthenry View Post

You know, I never thought it would be this hard to find an HDTV tuner for my 5010 projector.

I have cable, however, over the air (OTA) has a superior picture to cable and having a picture that spans more than 120" diag, every little bit of quality helps. My challenge is, I do not want a PC with card (Hauppauge) there are compression artifacts (no true pass-thru of OTA). I do not want a cable box (cable boxes are expensive, and not sure if they are all switchable between OTA and OTA/Cable).

All I want for Christmas is a HDTV tuner for my Epson 5010 for OTA.
Anybody know of one, or a good thread here on AVSForum for me to jump into?

I use TiVo for OTA and Cable - They work GREAT.
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Ok, here it goes. I am by no means an expert when it comes to these types of measurements so I used the link that "vincentfox" offered. I ran the lag test on an updated dell with and I5 cpu and geforce 460m video card with the laptop placed on top of the projetor. As the instructions suggested I ran the test while simultaneously outputting the desktop to the projector and the laptop. I'll leave it to you all to tell me whether or not the attached photos help at all. Briefly playing a few games on the ps3 I didn't notice any lag. I'm a big PC gamer so I know what to look for and in call of duty black ops as well as modern warfare I didn't notice any problems when playing these on the PS3 via the projector. Hope this helps.
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Originally Posted by drhankz View Post

I use TiVo for OTA and Cable - They work GREAT.

Tivo is pricey (isn't it?) $125 was the cheapest I saw on Ebay. Kind of looking for $50. Plus, can I have just a "blank" Tivo and use it, or does it have to be activated and ie: cost even more money?? I know nothing about tivo.
post #1547 of 2311
Thanks Jason, it does help some. Much like my efforts to shoot with an iPhone though, simple point and shoot cameras aren't up to the job. Need something with a faster shutter speed. It does look like we are talking about a tenth of a second delay.
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Originally Posted by harthenry View Post

Tivo is pricey (isn't it?) $125 was the cheapest I saw on Ebay. Kind of looking for $50. Plus, can I have just a "blank" Tivo and use it, or does it have to be activated and ie: cost even more money?? I know nothing about tivo.

You don't get nothing for nothing - On The TiVo website it is $99
and I have seen some deals from TiVo as low as $60.
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Originally Posted by jasond71 View Post

Yesterday after a longer than expected day at work I was surprised to find that the 5010 I had ordered from Projector people had showed up along with the four sets of glasses I ordered. The projector is replacing the original epson home cinema 1080 and all I can say is WOW!. Over thanksgiving I did have the 3010, purchased from best buy, for a few days and liked it but not enough to keep it. The 5010 uncalibrated straight out of the box simply blows me away. The blacks are inky and the colors really seem to pop. The 3d was really impressive especially in terms of brightness and contrast. I watched the opening scenes from Tron and was really impressed. I didn't notice any of the issues that were mentioned in the pre-production models so I'm looking forward to getting this calibrated to see what it is really capable of.

Congrats!

Now start the Official Epson 5010 thread so anything specific to the 5010 can be tracked.
I'd cut and paste your lag post in there as well.
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Originally Posted by vincentfox View Post

Thanks Jason, it does help some. Much like my efforts to shoot with an iPhone though, simple point and shoot cameras aren't up to the job. Need something with a faster shutter speed. It does look like we are talking about a tenth of a second delay.

Jason, thanks also!

Looked like about 50ms while viewing from my phone. Will look closer when back home...

Thanks again
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Originally Posted by DIYHomeTheater View Post

Mike
The 3010 has a calibrated brightness of 1400+ lumens in its best mode. The 5010 approx 600+ in the same mode. Both according to Projector Reviews. I am assuming that these are apples to apples comparisons, both for 2D. If so, why the huge difference especially since the 5010 has a higher manufacturer specified brightness?

If this question has been answered previously in this huge thread can someone point me to the answer? Thanks

If you read Arts review, there is a paragraph tha mentions a color correction filter the 5010 has that the 3010 doesn't.
This extra lens filter allow a better color output but some lumens are sacrificed.
post #1552 of 2311
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Originally Posted by 42Plasmaman View Post

If you read Arts review, there is a paragraph tha mentions a color correction filter the 5010 has that the 3010 doesn't.
This extra lens filter allow a better color output but some lumens are sacrificed.

Thats interesting to know about the "color correction filter" on 5010

I will admit that I am a novice calibrator and have found some interesting results in my first attempts at calibrating my 3010

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1#post21271981

BTW these are just the beginners attempts and I expect the outcome may be different once I follow Kirnak's and Dan's awesome tips to get to the bottom of this, but let me make it very clear.....inspite of this slight push to the right on GREEN, i find the image on 3010 nothing short of stunning. So its not an issue for me at all, nevertheless I am very curious to learn more about calibration so I can enjoy my display tech better.
post #1553 of 2311
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Originally Posted by 42Plasmaman View Post

If you read Arts review, there is a paragraph tha mentions a color correction filter the 5010 has that the 3010 doesn't.
This extra lens filter allow a better color output but some lumens are sacrificed.

My guess is that the 3010 has a filter as well, just not near as dark.
post #1554 of 2311
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Originally Posted by MadMyers View Post

Jason, thanks also!

Looked like about 50ms while viewing from my phone. Will look closer when back home...

Thanks again

Ok, looking at it now with a bigger monitor. There are two pics, "photo' and "photo-1". Reading "photo-1" had less ambiguity, so let's start with it.

"Photo-1" seems to show 20:237 on the laptop and 20:177 on the 5010. That is 60ms latency.

"Photo" seems to show 53:136 on the laptop and either 53:037 or 53:077 on the 5010. I'm going with the 53:077 view since it is consistent with the "photo-1" results. This gives 59ms.

So given these two images, it looks like the 5010 has about 60ms of latency.

Jason, could you provide the projector STB summary (CFI, mode) just for the record?

Big thanks again! I'm going to run this test on my ancient Sanyo PLV-60HT (which has served me very well) and see what I get for comparison.

Notes:
(a) at 60 FPS, that is one image per ~17ms. So this latency causes you to be ~3.5 frames off.

(b) at 24 FPS, that is one image per ~42ms. So this causes you to be ~1.5 frames off.

... Altan

Oh, big thanks again! Not sure why the other review places couldn't do this test! It should be a standard.
post #1555 of 2311
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Originally Posted by BobSev View Post

I too have presently a 1080UB and waiting for a 5010.

How would you comment the change from 1080UB to 3010 in terms of PQ, contrast and black levels ?


I have a background with projection equipment for over 20 years. I am very pleased with the 3010 compared to the 1080UB.

My 1080UB was operating on a Stewart 96inch 1.1

The 3010 is operating on an Eletech 106inch 1.1 screen (I was able to keep same projector mount and location!!)

My screen is in my living room. I have special blinds for my windows but there is not a blackout condition.

I run the 3010 in "living room mode" and am really over joyed by the intensity it produces with ambient light conditions. Watching football in the day time is a joy. I have a 36 inch LED monitor running 720p in the kitchen operating with an HDFLOW system so I can stand between rooms and "AB" visually. The 3010 on the 106 looks almost the same intensity as the 36 inch LED monitor.

The pixel (screen door) is so minimum that you can stand 1 foot away from the screen and the individual pixels look no larger in proportion to an area of the LED monitor.

Color is good to me. Black levels are good to me (remember I run in living room mode). However I do understand this forum (and I respect) has a lot of critical videophiles. My living room is not blacked out. And when a projection device has higher lumens there will naturally be more light bouncing around the room (BTW this would be of course true for Plasma or LCD). So that is the reason I went with the 3010 and not a 5010.

In short I am very happy with quality EXCEPT I can't get EDID to work with Sony ES AVR and 3010 so all the cool things (shut down start up sync and 3D) don't work unless I cheat and that is very annoying.
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Hats off to JasonD71! But, cant be sure of those screen numbers on the pictures of lag test at all. Also, if 60msec is correct, then doesnt that mean that the Epson 5010 is 60msec slower than the laptop video card, which has its own lag, and the actual lag is higher? Need faster camera exposure. COD isnt nearly as sensitive to lag as guitar hero. My panasonic ptae1000u lcd projector and do COD and RockBand but Guitar Hero is almost impossible because have to hit the buttons just before note gets to box. Love this discussion http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=558125
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Originally Posted by jasond71 View Post

Yesterday after a longer than expected day at work I was surprised to find that the 5010 I had ordered from Projector people had showed up along with the four sets of glasses I ordered. The projector is replacing the original epson home cinema 1080 and all I can say is WOW!. Over thanksgiving I did have the 3010, purchased from best buy, for a few days and liked it but not enough to keep it. The 5010 uncalibrated straight out of the box simply blows me away. The blacks are inky and the colors really seem to pop. The 3d was really impressive especially in terms of brightness and contrast. I watched the opening scenes from Tron and was really impressed. I didn't notice any of the issues that were mentioned in the pre-production models so I'm looking forward to getting this calibrated to see what it is really capable of.

Glad to hear you got the pj so quickly, can you give us your impression of the 2d to 3d performance? I am hoping that this will look pretty good on the already owned blu ray collection, and would help offset the price of having to replace movies in 3d if they look almost as good as real 3d movies. Thanks
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OTA tuner w/ no subscription fees, might be able to find it cheaper at a dealer.
http://www.channelmasterstore.com/HD...n_p/cm7400.htm
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Originally Posted by drhankz View Post

You don't get nothing for nothing - On The TiVo website it is $99
and I have seen some deals from TiVo as low as $60.

Hi DrHankz: Thanks for the info, however, I am probably not articulating this issue well enough. Cable Boxes, TIVO, Hauppauge, etc. all capture the signal, buffer, compress, and then output to the TV (possible h.264, or some proprietary format). What I want is the Raw signal that comes from the TV Station (like what you get from your tuner inside your TV).

Since the 5010 (or most projectors for that matter) do not have a tuner, I need one, and I am really having a hard time finding a raw HD TV tuner.
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Originally Posted by BobL View Post

OTA tuner w/ no subscription fees, might be able to find it cheaper at a dealer.
http://www.channelmasterstore.com/HD...n_p/cm7400.htm

Thanks for the info: That has a DVR (compression), however, it put me on the track to look at this -- it is pretty darn close. Q: Hasn't anyone else noticed that quality of OTA signal better than compressed cable (via DVR)?

http://www.channelmasterstore.com/HD..._p/cm-7001.htm
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