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post #2131 of 2311
No, but that's only because I don't care about cars as much as I do about projectors

I'd much rather own a $50,000 projector than a $50,000 car, but that's another story. The only reason I don't own a $50,000 projector is because they lose their value way too fast and it would be a huge expense. Actually I guess these days $50,000 doesn't go as far as it used to...
post #2132 of 2311
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Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

The Panasonic does not have blacks close to the Epson 5010. The advantage of Native On/Off is also not just in black levels which is where the Epson is better, but the higher On/Off lets us run a slightly higher of a GAMMA curve which increases POP in the image. No matter what projector you buy, if you do not calibrate it, the added benefits will not be completely apparent (although there are a few projectors that need calibrating a lot less than some).

The Epson 5010's Native Contrast is 5,000:1+ after calibration. The Panasonic ae7000u after calibration generally ends up at 2,500:1, sometimes 3,000:1. The JVC RS45's Native On/Off is 50,000:1 (10x the Epson and 20x the Panny). This difference isn't as drastic between the RS-45 and the Epson as it sounds, partly because the Epson's IRIS makes up for about half the difference or a little more. However, with my RS-45, I can actually run a gamma curve far higher than most can and still receive proper looking images, as I have it mounted at farthest throw and am getting just at 50,000:1 Native on/off. The JVC's are messed up in shadow detail OOTB, but can be fixed.

If I had to trade the JVC for another projector, I could live with the Epson 5010 or Sony hw30, but I could not live with the Panny 7000.

There is a BIG difference between Panny and Epson blacks precisely because one starts at around 2500:1 Native On/Off and the Epson at 5000:1+ before the IRIS is even engaged. There is actually more difference between say 2,500:1 and 5,000:1 perceptibly by the eye than even 10,000:1 and 20,000:1, especially exagerrated is the difference due to the IRIS multiplier of On/Off being disadvantaged on lower On/Off projectors like the Panny 7000.

Projector IRIS's are handicapped based on where the projector starts for its Native On/Off.

The Panny ae7000u maxes out around 7,500:1 even with the IRIS enabled in REC 709 mode. In Cinema mdoe it does get more aggressive, but the picture will suffer greatly. For the Epson, it can do around 20,000:1 On/Off with the IRIS and even much greater than that in some cases with not as many visible effects as the Panny's Cinema MOde IRIS (which some have called bouncy).

The Epson has better 3D than the Panasonic IMHO (I've seen both), it has a far brighter best mode, and far better black levels. The only reason to buy the Panasonic ae7000u is if you are a GAMER that cares about lag and you need CIH.

If you just need CIH and don't care about gaming lag or care about 3D as much as the Epson gives, then the JVC RS-45 is the one to buy. The RS-45 mostly only bests the others in movies though. The Epson 5010 or Sony hw30 are the only two projectors I'd buy if I didn't own the RS-45. The Panny ae7000u was ok, but if I'm going to live with black levels that high, then I'm not going to pay that kind of money for black levels at that point, I would just buy a cheaper projector from previous years (8700ub), and then get an Acer 9500bd to pair with it for 3d.

In otherwords, Eson 8700ub + Acer9500bd is superior to the Panny for just a little more money. Another option is get you a refurb'd JVC HD250 or old RS10 and an Acer 9500 for all NON-MOVIE viewing. Even a refurbished Epson 6500ub/8500ub/ or refurb 8700ub + Optoma hd33 or Epson 3010 would be another decent choice over the Panny

Wow, from where you learn all this. Nice analysis indeed. Agreed. But still by comparison to prices and features my votes are for 3010 by all means. $1300 for 3010 (without glasses) vs $2700 for 5010 (without glasses).
post #2133 of 2311
5 years in the forum reading, my own testing, calibrating multiple projectors, using light meters and colorimeters to take measurements.

The calibration threads, Cine4, etc...
Various places, you pick stuff up here and there.
post #2134 of 2311
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Originally Posted by mankhan View Post

Yeah, but is cobra double the price of Mustange???????, is it same as the difference in 3010 (without glasses $1300) and 5010 (without glasses $2700).

Yes.

A Mustang V6 lists for $22.6K.
A Shelby GT500 (the only Cobra badged Mustang) lists for $48.8K, but you can't get one for anywhere close to that price.
post #2135 of 2311
Can anyone advise me for the following:

I purchased 3010 before 2 months while i was in US and came back to my work place in Saudi Arabia, now probably i would come back to US in next September or October for a short vacation. My issue is that i am hearing Iris noise when i set to normal or high speed, it does not matter much to me. Since i am afraid that my noisy iris might go stuck and i lose all the luxry of having enjoying this projector due to picture stability and no one is here to fix this issue so i have set iris to off position and i am fine with that. Now my question is is there any thing i lose from picture quality point of view when i set iris to off. how many customers have suffered due to iris issue and they had to replace the unit or send it to service center. I can live with iris noise and so should i leave it to normal or high speed to enjoy iris capabilities and it shall not go bad with time.

While living in Saudia and without Epson service center i want to be in safe mode for using 3010.

Please advise.
post #2136 of 2311
The black levels won't be as dark, that's it, you also most likely gain a slightly flatter gamma curve (some gained, some lost).
post #2137 of 2311
So, my theater room is nearing completion.

Since the equipment is in an enclosed closet at the back of the room, I needed an IR repeater to control that equipment. I mounted the little IR receiver for the repeater at the top left edge of my screen. A nice feature of this repeater is that it has a blue LED that flashes in response to receiving IR commands from your remote. (Some of you can probably guess where this is going... :-) )

Yesterday, for the first time since having all of this wired up, I flipped the projector into 3d mode. As you might guess, this caused the IR receiver to happily report that it was receiving CONSTANT IR information...In other words, the LED came on, and didn't go off...

So, two questions:
1) Do I care? In other words, is this likely to harm/burn out/fry the (a) LED indicator or (b) the IR repeater itself ?
2) I suppose I already know the answer to this one, but, short of some electrical tape cover up that "feature", is there anything I can do about this?

Thanks.
-Kevin
post #2138 of 2311
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Originally Posted by mankhan View Post

Yeah, but is cobra double the price of Mustange???????, is it same as the difference in 3010 (without glasses $1300) and 5010 (without glasses $2700).

Just FYI:
NO, a Shelby 500 Mustang isn't twice the price of a base Mustang.

It's MORE than twice the price! Think roughly $24K VS. $54K.

BTW, I LOVE my cheapo 3010!

Ed
post #2139 of 2311
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Originally Posted by Toxarch View Post

Yes.

A Mustang V6 lists for $22.6K.
A Shelby GT500 (the only Cobra badged Mustang) lists for $48.8K, but you can't get one for anywhere close to that price.

+1!

Missed this before. The Shelby on my local dealers floor was $55,XXX.XX!

Ed
post #2140 of 2311
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Originally Posted by old corps View Post

Just FYI:
NO, a Shelby 500 Mustang isn't twice the price of a base Mustang.

It's MORE than twice the price! Think roughly $24K VS. $54K.

BTW, I LOVE my cheapo 3010!

Ed

Me too, 3010 is amazing for the price and so is the mustang, LOL
post #2141 of 2311
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Originally Posted by mankhan View Post

Yeah, but is cobra double the price of Mustange???????, is it same as the difference in 3010 (without glasses $1300) and 5010 (without glasses $2700).

get over it. I went from the 3010 to the 5010 and the blacks are night and day. Prime Rib is more than double the price of ground beef. Is it worth it. Hell yeah!!
post #2142 of 2311
Did somebody say Mustang? Here's my 2001 Bullitt AKA, my other hobby...
http://www.bullseyetechnology.net/953148.wmv
post #2143 of 2311
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Originally Posted by Bullitt5094 View Post

Did somebody say Mustang? Here's my 2001 Bullitt AKA, my other hobby...
http://www.bullseyetechnology.net/953148.wmv

mid's 9 @ nearly 150.. awesome!

btw, I replied about the HP screen on your previous post. There is a member 'elkhunter' you might want to PM, he has the 5010 and the 159" HP. I have a 'small' 142" 16:9 and love it.
post #2144 of 2311
Sent Elkhunter a PM just before I posted the Bullitt video but haven't heard back. Thanks for the guidance.

The Bullitt actually has gone 9.37 @ 152. Street legal, full exhaust and with a full auto tranny. I make passes by putting it in "drive" and launching it with the computer controlling the shifts. Never miss a shift!

I'm hoping to find something to fill the larger screen for under 5K. As someone suggested to use a different smaller/brighter screen for 3D. Really don't want to do that.
post #2145 of 2311
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Originally Posted by Bullitt5094 View Post


I'm hoping to find something to fill the larger screen for under 5K. As someone suggested to use a different smaller/brighter screen for 3D. Really don't want to do that.

for 3D, big and bright goes a long way to enjoying 3D @ home. The 5010 is a great match for an HP screen.

check out the link in my signature for a mini-shootout between several of the current models. I include 'through the glasses' photos so you can get an idea of the ghosting performance of these various models.
post #2146 of 2311
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Originally Posted by Bullitt5094 View Post

Did somebody say Mustang? Here's my 2001 Bullitt AKA, my other hobby...
http://www.bullseyetechnology.net/953148.wmv

Amazing, two thumbs up.

It is really bad idea that 5010 or 6010 owners are also posting over here. For each 3010 or 5010/6010 there should be separate thread. Although there is thread for 5010/6010, where these owners are posting comments. To me 3010 price wise is an amazing full HD 3D projector and it requires much appreciation due to its very low cost factor but delivering highly competitive picture, but 5010/6010 does not require this kind of appreciation as they are already way expensive and expensive items does not require any appreciation as they are already expensive and it is no big deal. More sugar you put, the dish will become more sweet, this is common strategy and is that a big deal?
post #2147 of 2311
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Originally Posted by mankhan View Post

Amazing, two thumbs up.

It is really bad idea that 5010 or 6010 owners are also posting over here. For each 3010 or 5010/6010 there should be separate thread. Although there is thread for 5010/6010, where these owners are posting comments. To me 3010 price wise is an amazing full HD 3D projector and it requires much appreciation due to its very low cost factor but delivering highly competitive picture, but 5010/6010 does not require this kind of appreciation as they are already way expensive and expensive items does not require any appreciation as they are already expensive and it is no big deal. More sugar you put, the dish will become more sweet, this is common strategy and is that a big deal?

The 3010 and 5010 have in common the D9 LCD panels and some other minor parts.
The 5010 has a better light engine, better lens/optics, different case to help baffle fan noise & various other components that make the PQ better.

Most here don't deny that the 3010 is a great value but if black levels & better optics that help produce better color & picture is important to your viewing, then the extra money is worth it.



*There's also a thread specifically for the 3010.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1366241

5010 thread
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1377321
post #2148 of 2311
Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't the 3010 and 5010 have similar contrast ratios when in dynamic mode given that they both use the same D9 panels? As I understand it the 5010 uses a 'cinema filter' in it's light path but only in cinema mode, this lowers it's lumen output but improves black levels and native contrast, the filter is switched off in it's brighter modes, the 3010 doesn't have this feature supposedly.

I'm interested to know if this is the case because if I get either projector I will most likely only use it in one of it's brighter modes due to the size of my screen being 160" 16:9.
post #2149 of 2311
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Originally Posted by nirvy111 View Post

Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't the 3010 and 5010 have similar contrast ratios when in dynamic mode given that they both use the same D9 panels? As I understand it the 5010 uses a 'cinema filter' in it's light path but only in cinema mode, this lowers it's lumen output but improves black levels and native contrast, the filter is switched off in it's brighter modes, the 3010 doesn't have this feature supposedly.

I'm interested to know if this is the case because if I get either projector I will most likely only use it in one of it's brighter modes due to the size of my screen being 160" 16:9.

No.
The new Panasonic also uses the D9 panels and its native contrast is not the same as the 5010.

You should read this thread.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1382091
post #2150 of 2311
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Originally Posted by 42Plasmaman View Post

No.
The new Panasonic also uses the D9 panels and its native contrast is not the same as the 5010.

You should read this thread.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1382091

I was reading the review on cine4home and they measured the dynamic modes on both the Panasonic 7000 and Epson 5010 to have higher native contrast than in they're corresponding cinema modes. So I guess my theory about the cinema filter goes out the window. It's weird I would have thought it had been the other way round, the cinema filter must be for improving colour performance and not contrast, although it does improve black levels by lower lumens.
post #2151 of 2311
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

mid's 9 @ nearly 150.. awesome!

btw, I replied about the HP screen on your previous post. There is a member 'elkhunter' you might want to PM, he has the 5010 and the 159" HP. I have a 'small' 142" 16:9 and love it.

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Originally Posted by Bullitt5094 View Post

Sent Elkhunter a PM just before I posted the Bullitt video but haven't heard back. Thanks for the guidance.

The Bullitt actually has gone 9.37 @ 152. Street legal, full exhaust and with a full auto tranny. I make passes by putting it in "drive" and launching it with the computer controlling the shifts. Never miss a shift!

I'm hoping to find something to fill the larger screen for under 5K. As someone suggested to use a different smaller/brighter screen for 3D. Really don't want to do that.

Never heard back from Elkhunter after PMing him, so I wanted to ask... if I went with a 136" Carada 2.35:1 with the Brilliant White 1.4 gain option. Would the 5010 do a good job filling that screen in 3D? Again, the room will be absolutely dark.

Also, is there a 3D projector (that does 3D well) that can fill a 12ft wide screen for under 10K? I'm not finding one.
post #2152 of 2311
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Originally Posted by Bullitt5094 View Post

Never heard back from Elkhunter after PMing him, so I wanted to ask... if I went with a 136" Carada 2.35:1 with the Brilliant White 1.4 gain option. Would the 5010 do a good job filling that screen in 3D? Again, the room will be absolutely dark.

Also, is there a 3D projector (that does 3D well) that can fill a 12ft wide screen for under 10K? I'm not finding one.

The 5010 in torch mode is the brightness 3D projector in this price category at the moment. I think you'll be ok with the torch mode on that screen, but the color are off in this mode. A close correction to D65 through the glasses in torch mode gets it closer to 1400 lumens.

maybe consider ordering the projector first and then getting samples from each company to get a basic idea if your going to be happy with the light output.

This is the 2.8HP sample on a 1.0 gain screen (the 2.8 is no longer available, the 2.4 replaced it). If you can accommodate the mounting restrictions on the HP, it's a nice screen material if you like a bright image on a large screen.

if you end up with the HP, I recommend the Cinema Contour frame.



post #2153 of 2311
I just replaced an old NEC projector with a 3010 and love it but I have a problem.

With the NEC projector my receiver (a Sony str-820dg) threw the video input to both my TV (via hdmi) and my projector (via component) at the same time but now I can't get my new Epson 3010 to see my receiver. It's blank

What am I doing wrong? This worked fine with the old NEC!
post #2154 of 2311
I have to agree with a lot of you, for the money you get a ton of value in the 3010. It does not have the black levels of my Pana v65 Plasma but the size makes up for it. (almost 100" larger than my 65")

I am glad to see other car fans, that is my first and foremost hobby. And, I would take a 50k over a 50k projector...lol but then again, why not have both..
post #2155 of 2311
Guys, there is a $100 instant rebate for the 5010 and 5010e. Good from 2-10-12 to 2-29-12. Now it makes a good deal even better. Contact your sales person for this deal.
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post #2156 of 2311
Ok, lets spice this up

Please select the PJ you actually own and the poll will allow you to vote only once, so choose wisely

Spread this thread and lets see which PJ wins

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1393704
post #2157 of 2311
Just for your info........3D crosstalk/ghosting shall never be eliminated from 3D projectors.............

Is that true???

http://www.highdefforum.com/3dtv-har...ans-terms.html
post #2158 of 2311
Need some help. Got the 3010, However now if I mount it on a preinstalled setup, the image stretches beyond the screen even at the lowest zoom setting. The installation used to host Panasonic ae700u which threw perfect image on my 96 inch screen (throw distance of about 18 ft). I can't change anything in the setup, the throw distance/ screen etc all was professionally done previously and I don't want tamper with it and simply want to replace the projector with new 3010.
Do I have any other option to fit image to screen, short of returning the 3010? Is there any other projector in same price range that would do this work? Not crazy about 3D, so 2D would do. Don't want 8350 as heard it has bad lamp life.
post #2159 of 2311
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Originally Posted by fundugy View Post

Need some help. Got the 3010, However now if I mount it on a preinstalled setup, the image stretches beyond the screen even at the lowest zoom setting. The installation used to host Panasonic ae700u which threw perfect image on my 96 inch screen (throw distance of about 18 ft). I can't change anything in the setup, the throw distance/ screen etc all was professionally done previously and I don't want tamper with it and simply want to replace the projector with new 3010.

Strange how someone who has owned a PJ would not check the specifics of another PJs Throw limitations? Sorry....if it seems like I'm rubbin' salt into a sore, but honestly...that's always a "1st look-see". Well...at least some very small degree of comfort can be had knowing that this can serve as another warning for others to consider such preemptive research imperative.

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Do I have any other option to fit image to screen, short of returning the 3010?

No....excepting the change up of screen size or PJ location, both of which you have ruled out.

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Is there any other projector in same price range that would do this work? Not crazy about 3D, so 2D would do. Don't want 8350 as heard it has bad lamp life.

You heard wrong. Consider this....the number of respondents on AVS about Bulb Issues with the 8350 is less than 1/10th the number of those who expressed similar issues with the much more expensive JVC units. And Epson warranties the Bulb for 2 years against failure.

I personally have experience with over 18 8350s installed, and since Oct. 2010, I've had to go back and replace all of 1 Bulb (2890 hrs) on a PJ installed in Nov. 2010. And that happened last week.

But whatever, unless you loosen up your reluctance about moving the PJ or changing the Screen dimensions, the best ...and for that matter...the only solution to your quandary is the 8350. It has the Focal length you need, and the brightness needed to accommodate such a long throw. It's color OOTB is very good, and Epson will take care of you rightly.

The only better solution would be to find a 8700 for a "best price"...and if it comes with a Extra Bulb...what's not to love?
post #2160 of 2311
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Originally Posted by MississippiMan View Post


Strange how someone who has owned a PJ would not check the specifics of another PJs Throw limitations? Sorry....if it seems like I'm rubbin' salt into a sore, but honestly...that's always a "1st look-see". Well...at least some very small degree of comfort can be had knowing that this can serve as another warning for others to consider such preemptive research imperative.

No....excepting the change up of screen size or PJ location, both of which you have ruled out.

You heard wrong. Consider this....the number of respondents on AVS about Bulb Issues with the 8350 is less than 1/10th the number of those who expressed similar issues with the much more expensive JVC units. And Epson warranties the Bulb for 2 years against failure.

I personally have experience with over 18 8350s installed, and since Oct. 2010, I've had to go back and replace all of 1 Bulb (2890 hrs) on a PJ installed in Nov. 2010. And that happened last week.

But whatever, unless you loosen up your reluctance about moving the PJ or changing the Screen dimensions, the best ...and for that matter...the only solution to your quandary is the 8350. It has the Focal length you need, and the brightness needed to accommodate such a long throw. It's color OOTB is very good, and Epson will take care of you rightly.

The only better solution would be to find a 8700 for a "best price"...and if it comes with a Extra Bulb...what's not to love?

Thanks! It was indeed a case of putting the cart before the horse. I saw the projector at a friends and assumed it will work at mine too. If 2D is my only concern, then is 8350 better than 3010? It seem to have 200 lumens less than 3010. I also use it for surfing with my laptop, so would 8350 be apt?

Compared side by side, is 8350 smaller or bigger than 3010? Does is have the same organic panels as 3010? Any other benefit of 8350 over 3010, given that it a yesteryear technology compared to 3010, Somehow feels like downgrading.
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