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post #2281 of 2311
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Originally Posted by DERG View Post

This may be a deal killer. Here's how my current Marantz VP-15s is setup;

* My screen is 2.35:1, 130" dia. I'm using 106" dia @ 16x9 for setup purposes
* ceiling height is 8' 6"
* top of screen is 12" down from ceiling
* projector front of lens is 13' from screen
* center of lens is 1' 2" (14") down from ceiling

If I'm understanding this setup calculator I would need a distance from ceiling of 2'10" to the center of the lens. Am I calculating this correctly? I'd like to keep the distance from ceiling to center of lens my setup with the Epson 6010 like the Marantz is now which is 14". The calculator says 2' 10" but I'm hoping this can be adjusted to 14" in setup.
Possible?

It should work FINE.
post #2282 of 2311
So, the 6010 has correction adjustments or is the Epson projector calculator only showing an optimum setup for 3D @ 2' 10" down for ceiling? Just trying to be through in my research.
post #2283 of 2311
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Originally Posted by DERG View Post

So, the 6010 has correction adjustments or is the Epson projector calculator only showing an optimum setup for 3D @ 2' 10" down for ceiling? Just trying to be through in my research.

See what this calulator indicates for your requirement/settings.

http://www.eliteprojectorcalculator.com/
post #2284 of 2311
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Originally Posted by DERG View Post

I would need a new BR player anyway so that's perfect. I would need the 6010 for the stretch as the Marantz 15s does this now.

You may also want to consider getting an Oppo 93 for dual HDMI output. It's more expensive, but many think it's worth it. Oppo has a fantastic reputation, features, firmware support, and service. Just something to consider before pulling the trigger on the Sony.
post #2285 of 2311
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Originally Posted by 42Plasmaman View Post

See what this calulator indicates for your requirement/settings.

http://www.eliteprojectorcalculator.com/

They don't list the 6010 so I used the 5010. Everything in I circled red is accurate to my current setup. My screen is 2.35:1 (130" dia.) but I use an anamorphic lens so I calculated everything as if it were 16x9 (106" dia.). Top of screen is 12" from the 8' ceiling. Bottom of screen is about 32" from the floor. My current projector is 82" from the floor to center of lens and 13' from the lens to the Stewart 1.3 gain screen.

The manual for the 6010 on page 12 states -
Keep the projector level and place it at a height so its lens is even with the top or the bottom of the screen and is centered horizontally. If this is not possible, use the lens shift dials to reposition the image. You can use lens shift to move the image up or down by nearly its full height, and left or right by about one-half its width (for details, see page 22). And page 24 how to adjust if geometry is off.

I believe this clears up my concerns.
LL
post #2286 of 2311
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Originally Posted by teeger View Post

I just picked up the Epson 3010 last week and finally had a chance to play around with it. It's awesome for 3D!

Like you, I have a large plasma (Samsung 64"). I love my plasma for its great blacks and rich image (colour) quality. Even through 64 inches is great for most viewing, I've been a little disappointed that the 3D isn't as engaging as iI had first hoped. That said, the Epson projector truly brings 3D home, in a BIG way. I am, stunned at how much more depth and pop you get from the Epson 3010 than from the plasma. I mostly attribute the advantage to how big the image is. I've got my screen size currently set at about 110".

The IMAX 3D stuff looks better than the Hollywood stuff. Legends of Flight had a great deal of depth and lots of "in your face" pop that doesn't play as well on my 64" plasma. When I saw the difference here, I was happy I purchased the 3010.

If you get a projector, why not consider keeping your plasma too? I think both units compliment each other. I watch most content on my plasma, but use the projector for "event viewing" - sports, movies and especially 3D content. Bulbs dim and burn out too quickly for me. The projector is fun to use a couple of times / week. Plus, you really can't beat a good plasma for great colour a picture quality.

I have the 3010, not the 3010e, but the image should be the same from both. Last night we put on Happy Feet 2 (3D), and the image (Cinema mode) was plenty bright in our darkened room. The Epson produced an image with lots of pop and contrast. Frankly, it truly looked like theatre quality viewing to my eyes. The image was clean and clear with surprising good contrast in the 3D mode . . . and at projecting over 100" diagonally, I couldn't detect any of the pixel structure from sitting 10' from the screen.

The only thing that I have noticed is slight ghosting or crosstalk on some 3D content. It's no better or worse than what I get from my Samsung plasma in this dept. But since the Epson is a real light cannon, I would expect the extra brightness might contribute to this sometimes showing. For me, this side effect is slight - and doesn't interfere with my enjoyment.

Heck, for the low cost (I paid $1,440) of this projector, it's amazing that not only does to give a great 1080p picture, it gives a BRIGHT 3D image for less than $2,000.00. Amazing.

Ian

Thanks a lot man, great post.
post #2287 of 2311
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Originally Posted by stm69 View Post

This last year I kind of went on a splurge. Loved avatar in 3D in the movie theater and wanted something for the house. Bought a Panasonic 50GT30 and wanted something bigger so got a 65ST30. Still wasn't immersive enough so went out and got the 3010. I have it projecting on a white wall at about a 130-140 diagonal and ok it's finally big enough - or well I regret not doing 9 foot ceilings in the basement but it's as big as it's going to get.

The 3010 is really a light cannon. It's bright and vibrant and the dynamic mode is great for the daytime. That being said, the colors and blacks are a lot more accurate with the Panasonic plasmas. In darker or nighttime scenes, it's pretty obvious that the projector's light output works against it. Blacks are grey, less perceived contrast, etc.

3D though really works. There is some ghosting but I guess the effect tied in with a larger screen is what I was looking for. I guess it's a tradeoff you have to decide if it's worth it to you.

I read and saw a fix for the greys...they used a BLACK SCREEN, and it seemed to solve the problem
post #2288 of 2311
Hello guys,

I could not find an owner's thread on the Epson EH-TW8000 and this may be the closest I can get. I was hoping someone would help me with a question. I placed an order of an the TW8000 and only a pair of Epson 3D Active Shutter Glasses is coming with it. Would anyone have information on the actual compatibility of other active 3D shutter glasses' brands such as Samsung, Sony and Panasonic? I've read these are compatible but could not find any confirmation of its actual use. Thanks!
Edited by JOLT65 - 7/11/12 at 8:28pm
post #2289 of 2311
The Sony PS3 glasses work just fine.
post #2290 of 2311
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Originally Posted by psg View Post

The Sony PS3 glasses work just fine.

Thanks psg! Would you mind sharing the model number of the Sony unit?
post #2291 of 2311
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Originally Posted by JOLT65 View Post

Thanks psg! Would you mind sharing the model number of the Sony unit?

Model: CECH-ZEG1U UPC: 711719807902

They were 49.95, new, on eBay.
post #2292 of 2311
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Originally Posted by psg View Post

Model: CECH-ZEG1U UPC: 711719807902
They were 49.95, new, on eBay.

Thank you psg!
Edited by JOLT65 - 7/13/12 at 10:15pm
post #2293 of 2311
Buy Squad has a good price on the 3010. Anyone ever deal with them?

I have also found a used 3010 for a really good price (from an authorized seller). This voids Epson's 2 year warranty though, doesn't it?
post #2294 of 2311
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Originally Posted by neveser View Post

Buy Squad has a good price on the 3010.

Really? Not so to me.
post #2295 of 2311
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Originally Posted by kevinmscs View Post

Really? Not so to me.
It's about $300 cheaper than Amazon. Do you know of a seller I should check with?
post #2296 of 2311
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Originally Posted by neveser View Post

It's about $300 cheaper than Amazon. Do you know of a seller I should check with?

As of right now Amazon is 1599, BuySquad is 1598.
post #2297 of 2311
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Originally Posted by kevinmscs View Post

As of right now Amazon is 1599, BuySquad is 1598.
On Buy Squad's website (if this is the same company that lists on Amazon) it's 1379.
I went ahead and ordered a used one that B&H got in for just over 1000. Hopefully everything's ok with it.
post #2298 of 2311
I have had for some time the InFocus 76. It has served me well but I am anxious to move up to a new & better not too expensive projector.
Has anyone actually compared or seen the IN76 vs. the new Epson 5010/6010. I'm concerned that its 2D might not be as good as the IN76. I've read good things here and elsewhere that the Epson's 3D is outstanding but 2D not so much. If its 2D is at lease as good as the IN76 I'm thinking of making the change. Any opinions?
I would like to just swap them out if possible. I am using the HTB CIH lens. Will it work with this Epson.
Room is 19' from projector wall to screen wall. The projector is shelve mounted on the wall. The 2:35 image fills the 14' with of the screen wall from ceiling to about 4' from the floor. Ten foot ceiling. Room can be dark but is usually with significant ambient light.
Thanks!!
post #2299 of 2311
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Originally Posted by James A. McGahee View Post

I have had for some time the InFocus 76. It has served me well but I am anxious to move up to a new & better not too expensive projector.
Has anyone actually compared or seen the IN76 vs. the new Epson 5010/6010. I'm concerned that its 2D might not be as good as the IN76. I've read good things here and elsewhere that the Epson's 3D is outstanding but 2D not so much. If its 2D is at lease as good as the IN76 I'm thinking of making the change. Any opinions?
I would like to just swap them out if possible. I am using the HTB CIH lens. Will it work with this Epson.
Room is 19' from projector wall to screen wall. The projector is shelve mounted on the wall. The 2:35 image fills the 14' with of the screen wall from ceiling to about 4' from the floor. Ten foot ceiling. Room can be dark but is usually with significant ambient light.
Thanks!!

You should be looking at the new Epson 3020 or 5020 since the 3010/5010 have been discontinued. The 3020/5020 are improvements on the previous models.
post #2300 of 2311
Well this will most likely be my final report: Here. (A BenQ W1070 thread)

Bought the Epson 3010 at Best Buy for $929.00. Well I just bought the last 3010 in Phoenix AZ at Best Buy...

After a little connection problems, I got it working and we have been watching Prometheus 3D and wow...

A side Note even with HDMI this projector has color level and tint controls...and once selected they drop down to a single control bar almost completely out of the pictures so you can see what your adjusting...everything I wanted...

After my experience with the BenQ MW516 I got the feeling it is a touch on the cheap side. It would start green and then after a few seconds the red would come up and we got flesh tone.

It also had a problem I only saw with the Infocus X1, a reaction to bright scenes, where it would black out for a second or two...

Overall I am NOT impressed with BenQ.


On the 3010 Vs the 3020:

"You are here: Home / Projector / Epson Powerlite 3020 vs Powerlite 3010, 5010, and 5020
Epson Powerlite 3020 vs Powerlite 3010, 5010, and 5020
December 24, 2012 By Mudzakir Walad

What is the difference between Epson Home Cinema 3020 and the 3010? The main difference is the color brightness and white brightness where the Epson 3020 has 2300 lumens and the 3010 features 2200 lumens. The brightness means color light output, while the white brightness for white light output.

The Epson 3020 also adds RF 3D Glasses that is a lightweight, rechargeable and fully adjustable glasses allow for eye-popping 3D entertainment. Two pairs of RF 3D glasses included and this is all you need for exciting 3D.

100 L and RF vs I F Glasses...for $600.00 more??

I LOVE MY Epson 3010.

Rich
Edited by racprops - 12/30/12 at 3:51am
post #2301 of 2311
Well things change...

First I found I was having slight problems watching 3D. (Eye strain..)

So I did more reading and learned that the review i quoted above was not complete as I thought, he left out the major improvements with 3D the 3020 has.

So as much as I feel the 2D is Fantastic, I really wanted to give 3D the best try so as much as I hated spending over $600.00 more, IF I was going to enjoy 3D I had to get a 3020.

After reading about the improved 3D, specially the 2d to 3d convertor.

Well I made the jump to get a Epson 3020.

And with my luck ran into a couple of problems.

First one is this model is very sensitive about single levels, after two 3010,(Both with minor problems, and Epson did ship ona replacement, that was even worst...Fist one would not work with a VGA from my cable box, something a Infocus X1, an HP and the BenQ would, and the second one had a purple gay scale or purple black and white picture...so the stories of they having problems with the 3010 seems true.

But both of these 3010s would work with my switcher and 50 feet of HDMI, this one (the 3020)would not display a 3D movie from my New internet cable Sony Bu-Ray 3D player..It played all other programing including 3D from Cox cable AOK, the Sony did not get a handshake and the Sony DVD said it could not find a 3D display...

Epson tech said that they only test and certify 15 foot HDMI cables??!! Silly as 90% of home theaters will have the projector around 12+ feet from the screen.

I think this is a little short sighted, (pun intended) they should at lease test with a more standard 25 foot cable.

Also I ran into this:

Do any of you with Epson 3020s have the LCD Alignment setting??

It is located in: Extended/LCD Align.

And allows you to adjust the convergence using a grip pattern.

And last my lamp hour counter is not counting..I have over 5 hours (at least) of play time and it still reads 0HR.
Edited by racprops - 1/5/13 at 7:19am
post #2302 of 2311
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Originally Posted by racprops View Post

And last my lamp hour counter is not counting..I have over 5 hours (at least) of play time and it still reads 0HR.

I believe that is normal operation.

I think the Lamp Counter STARTS after 10 hours to make a slightly used PJ look NEW.
post #2303 of 2311
Thanks drhankz...good to know.

Also I have a slight keystone..the pictures is smaller at the top.

As it has been pointed out, I don't want to used the electronic correction, so do I need to lower or raise the projector?? It is ceiling mounted.

Rich
post #2304 of 2311
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Originally Posted by racprops View Post

Thanks drhankz...good to know.
Also I have a slight keystone..the pictures is smaller at the top.
As it has been pointed out, I don't want to used the electronic correction, so do I need to lower or raise the projector?? It is ceiling mounted.
Rich

I ASSUME LOWER is the right direction.
post #2305 of 2311
Thanks.

Do any of you with Epson 3020s have the LCD Alignment setting??

It is located in: Extended/LCD Align.

And allows you to adjust the convergence using a grid pattern.

It is a feature in the 5020 but not the 3020, and both manuals show that, 3020 no 5020 yes.

So either I bought a 3020 with a 5020 mother board OR Epson is playing software games...

That is all models have the same features, they just do not turn them on in the lower priced models.

Canon cameras do that I have a low priced model that was hacked and the extra features are turned on...

I lean towards the software mistake as I do not have frame interpolation, a feature of the 5020.

Maybe someone can hack these projectors and turn on all the features??

Rich
post #2306 of 2311
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Originally Posted by racprops View Post

Thanks.
Do any of you with Epson 3020s have the LCD Alignment setting??
It is located in: Extended/LCD Align.
And allows you to adjust the convergence using a grid pattern.
It is a feature in the 5020 but not the 3020, and both manuals show that, 3020 no 5020 yes.
So either I bought a 3020 with a 5020 mother board OR Epson is playing software games...
That is all models have the same features, they just do not turn them on in the lower priced models.
Canon cameras do that I have a low priced model that was hacked and the extra features are turned on...
I lean towards the software mistake as I do not have frame interpolation, a feature of the 5020.
Maybe someone can hack these projectors and turn on all the features??
Rich

For the 3010, not sure if the menu changed on the 3020?
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1366241/my-epson-3010-projector-just-arrived/1260#post_21893195

Btw, the dip switch settings were compared between a 3010 and a 6010, with the lcd alignment switch being the only different setting on the two pjs.
Edited by jnabq - 1/5/13 at 1:36pm
post #2307 of 2311
Thanks jnabq,

So IT IS a software game...

A hidden feature that they turn on on the higher models...

It is not a part of the normal setup of a 3020...

But it is there for the 5020..just to make it look like you got more for your $500.00 more than a lens shift setup
that you only use once to set up your room...

Now if someone could find the setting to turn on frame interpolation and other than the lens shifting of the 5020, we would all have near 5020s...

Wonder if the THX setting is also in there...?
Edited by racprops - 1/6/13 at 6:14am
post #2308 of 2311
A "game", I dunno why the feature wasn't made available, but as I mentioned, the other dip switches were all the same, and features requiring hardware differences, won't be available with a driver/software setting change.
post #2309 of 2311
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Originally Posted by racprops View Post

Thanks jnabq,

So IT IS a software game...

A hidden feature that they turn on on the higher models...

It is not a part of the normal setup of a 3020...

But it is there for the 5020..just to make it look like you got more for your $500.00 more than a lens shift setup
that you only use once to set up your room...

Now if someone could find the setting to turn on frame interpolation and other than the lens shifting of the 5020, we would all have near 5020s...

Wonder if the THX setting is also in there...?

My contention is that the 3010 is also capable of deep blacks like 5010 but they delibrately made it look inferior via software. My evidence is that when I watch a scope movie the letterbox bars are bluish gray but the blacks inside the picture are actually very dark and dont have the blueish-gray look. So they deliberately made 3010 look inferior to make more money via 5010.
post #2310 of 2311
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Originally Posted by falafala View Post

My contention is that the 3010 is also capable of deep blacks like 5010 but they delibrately made it look inferior via software. My evidence is that when I watch a scope movie the letterbox bars are bluish gray but the blacks inside the picture are actually very dark and dont have the blueish-gray look. So they deliberately made 3010 look inferior to make more money via 5010.


u are wrong
the 5010 has a much higher contrast ratio
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