Why the hatred for DLP? - Page 8

Originally Posted by videobruce

i think someone should start a "why the hatred for plasma's.

Originally Posted by colour

:d

Originally Posted by taichi4

Why the hatred?

Originally Posted by taichi4

Why the hatred?

Originally Posted by rich3fan

Smiley? Try one of these colour --->

Originally Posted by colour

HUH? All I did was post a smiley face on his comment because I found it humorous. You're assuming I have a hatred for plasmas cause I posted a smiley face, I don't even have an opinion on them. If there's anything I really hate it's stupidity. WTF

Originally Posted by chrpai

For the record, I can recall saying on more then one occasion "my next HDTV's going to be a DLP". Also if I ever got a projector it would be a DLP.

My first HDTV was an RCA F38310 38" CRT. The DLP's looked nice because they were so much bigger and affordable. I had some concerns about rainbows and viewing angles but in the end it just happened to be that by the time I upgraded plasma and LCD had their pricing wars and next thing I know a 60" LCD can be had for $719 after black friday.

Originally Posted by 69mach1-377

And a 73" 3D tv could be had for $699, so what was your point again?

Originally Posted by aydu

Most DLP hatred comes from people that have owned them. It has nothing to do with picture quality, but the fact that the sets were unreliable, and repair costs high.

Anybody that ever bought a DLP set had to factor in the cost of an extended warranty with the purchase price of their set. If they were wise, they also bought a lamp warranty, if the extended warranty didn't cover it.

One of the selling points of DLP technology was that the set would last long term and that by replacing the lamp every few years you got that new set picture quality renewed. Unfortunately, due to the use of cheap parts, many moving parts in the sets, and long term damage to the DLP chips due to heat, the sets died young and were expensive to repair.

I've owned one, loved the pq, but would never buy another DLP based product.

Originally Posted by jonnythan

It's not really that different. I don't hate DLP, but I genuinely cannot understand why anyone would buy a DLP other than the fact that it's the cheapest technology.

Yes, the picture can be very good technically. Great color, great tonal balance, great motion, great contrast. But you're still looking at a picture being projected through a projection screen. It looks old-fashioned and just lacks the overall feel of a direct-view or front projection unit.

So for the OP, that's the answer. A lot of people simply dislike that 'quality' of a RP set. And the boxes are, honestly, big and ugly.

Originally Posted by Dr_jitsu

So basically you are saying that the picture has great color, tonal balance, motion, and contrast...in short is superb, but criticize it for having a subjective quality of "old fiashioned-ness? That is like saying a Porsch GT2 has great performance but is a lesser car than a Prius because it rely's on the old "gas based technology" instead of hybrid technology.

Originally Posted by jonnythan

No it's not. The picture itself just has a certain quality about it. I don't know how it can be quantified, but the look of the image being projected through a screen doesn't compare to other technologies for me.

Originally Posted by gtgray

For you. This is obviously subjective.

Originally Posted by Teremei

There are alot of techphiles, audiophiles, and videophiles around here. That's not a knock of this place I love it for the advice and help. But some people have to have the absolute best and if it's not incredible they will knock it.

Ofcourse a large DLP will not give you the insane detail, color, and sharpness of a smaller LED or Plasma. But they provide a great big picture for a bargain price. My most expensive speaker system happens to be around my large DLP, not my plasma.

Originally Posted by inuyasha-rules

Bytor prove how im wrong. The proof that im right is everyone on here posting about lights going out, the Dlp chips going out, and so on. And yes any thing can break. Reread the first sentence of my post. Dlp from my point of view is like a girlfriend. They look good and are fun but they are high maintenance and expensive.

Lbear believe it or not they had samsungs and songs for about $100 cheaper than vizio. Wasn't really looking for a tv but a friend of mine was and I bumped into him. And no im not getting any more detailed since there's a rule against posting pricing.

Draven you are right and wrong. I see the main problem being producing that many pixels in one sheet since most consumers wont tolotate bad pixels. I remember when if there were less than 5 bad ones total or 3 together it was considered good by dell at least. But overall fixed pixel technology has a limited life span before its out of date, compared to crt projection that was around long before 1080 was king, and handles it just fine

Originally Posted by gtgray

For you. This is obviously subjective. Also like any TV technology there are sweet spots in terms of size and implementation. I just ordered my 4th new DLP in slightly less than six years a 92" this time with a clear screen.

It needs the right room lighting because it has a very clear screen and is reflective something common to many high end plasmas and LED displays. The clear screens produce image quality that people have not seen before in rear projection. With a pro level calibration, something routine for me the 92" image will be nothing short of spectacular in my viewing room. The price of the set is a fraction of a 70" Elite, and less than the typical street price of the 80" Sharp.

Why have I bought so many DLPs, because I like big displays and I like the image they produce. As larger and larger rear projectors have come out I have upgraded. All the sets I bought during the 6 years are still in service. I gave a 72" Sammy to my brother when I bought the current 82" Mits. He gave me a 56" Sammy which is in my Mother-In-Law's home. My first set was a 65" HP and is still running fine. I have a 58" Panny Plasma in the bedroom and it gets almost no use. Not really anything wrong with the plasma. It was wall mounted and we found we just did not use it. I prefer the look of the DLP frankly. I have a bunch of mid-size LEDs around as PC displays so it is not like I am only a DLP rear projector guy. They work well in my large rooms and I can afford them. From a technology point of view I am agnostic.

I will say there are a lot DLPs out there that are poorly setup. They don't show well in most AV stores because they don't make the same amount of light. But just because they show LCDs in stores at 70-100 ft lamberts doen't mean any sane person uses them that way in the home, so for the most part they make similar amounts of light to DLP when you get them setup properly. Blastingly bright is an advantage when Mom and Pop come in to big box store and looks at a myriad of virtually identical panels.

I would prefer front projection if it fit my lifestyle but it doesn't. Big DLP rear projectors do and unless you are an early adopter and over pay they are usually by far the biggest bang for the buck year in and year out. Finally the advent of reliable and affordable 3rd party warranty extensions takes the overdone fear factor out.

Originally Posted by jonnythan

Yes. For me. It's an opinion. I have nothing personally against DLP (who can have something against a particular TV technology?) and encourage other people to consider DLP as an option.

Originally Posted by jonnythan

No it's not. The picture itself just has a certain quality about it. I don't know how it can be quantified, but the look of the image being projected through a screen doesn't compare to other technologies for me.

Originally Posted by Dr_jitsu

So basically you are saying that the picture has great color, tonal balance, motion, and contrast...in short is superb, but criticize it for having a subjective quality of "old fiashioned-ness? That is like saying a Porsch GT2 has great performance but is a lesser car than a Prius because it rely's on the old "gas based technology" instead of hybrid technology.

Originally Posted by Leon!

Maybe not quantified, but if you thought about it enough I'm sure you could at least describe the difference in quality you're seeing more specifically than "old fashioned" anyway.

Originally Posted by jonnythan

It's the fact that you're looking at an image projected through a screen.

If you took an LCD, a plasma, and a DLP and put them behind a wall with cutouts so you could only see the images, it would be easy to tell them apart. LCDs (all LCDs that I've seen) invariably have a staring-at-a-headlight look, plasmas look a lot like a direct-view CRT, and DLP has a looking-through-a-screen look (because that's what you're doing).

I don't know how you can quantify that. Whether anyone likes it or not doesn't concern me. I don't like it.

Originally Posted by ten8yp

Sorry man but I would bet you money you couldn't tell the difference between some DLP's and some others... I'm sure other people feel the same way. I used to feel the same way you do but new DLP's are just that much better.

Originally Posted by KewlK

At this point I definitely do not hate DLP, but am getting increasingly discouraged with the technology due to the rainbow effect.

I recently acquired an HL61A750 which operates using pulsed LEDs vs a UHP lamp + color wheel. Supposedly the ultra quick LEDs were to eliminate the rainbow problem for the vast majority of viewers.

It's really bizarre, but yesterday I watched four straight hours of football without noticing it even once. Then went on a nostalgia trip and viewed some of my childhood favorite G1 Transformers episodes (including the original '86 movie)....only a couple brief instances of color bands, but mostly perfect. Anime and cartoons always look especially amazing on this TV.

OK..then later that night I decided to rehash a few of the more visually impressive scenes from the movie "Troy" on HD DVD. I remember how they really popped on my old Sony XBR1 SXRD.

Well what an absolutely horrible experience that was. Thick color bands all over the screen every few minutes. Both bright scenes and dark scenes were equally affected, there was no real prominent instigator to the defects. It was just a mess. Faces and clothing were randomly garbled with RGB blotched lines.

Tried keeping my eyes completely still and it helped only a little. I'm twelve feet away from the screen as it is, maybe I'll have to distance even further back.

I am at a loss as to how most people don't see these problems. The rainbows are so obnoxious and can't simply be ignored.

Originally Posted by KewlK

At this point I definitely do not hate DLP, but am getting increasingly discouraged with the technology due to the rainbow effect.

I recently acquired an HL61A750 which operates using pulsed LEDs vs a UHP lamp + color wheel. Supposedly the ultra quick LEDs were to eliminate the rainbow problem for the vast majority of viewers.

It's really bizarre, but yesterday I watched four straight hours of football without noticing it even once. Then went on a nostalgia trip and viewed some of my childhood favorite G1 Transformers episodes (including the original '86 movie)....only a couple brief instances of color bands, but mostly perfect. Anime and cartoons always look especially amazing on this TV.

OK..then later that night I decided to rehash a few of the more visually impressive scenes from the movie "Troy" on HD DVD. I remember how they really popped on my old Sony XBR1 SXRD.

Well what an absolutely horrible experience that was. Thick color bands all over the screen every few minutes. Both bright scenes and dark scenes were equally affected, there was no real prominent instigator to the defects. It was just a mess. Faces and clothing were randomly garbled with RGB blotched lines.

Tried keeping my eyes completely still and it helped only a little. I'm twelve feet away from the screen as it is, maybe I'll have to distance even further back.

I am at a loss as to how most people don't see these problems. The rainbows are so obnoxious and can't simply be ignored.

Originally Posted by gtgray

What you are describing ain't rainbowing. I don't doubt you are seeing some kind of artifacting but rainbowing is not at all like what you are describing.

I am not sensitive to the rainbow effect but almost anyone can force themself to see them. If you use the THX test setup utility on early Pixar movies like Toy story and go the the aspect ratio test screens, these are white circles and ovals on black bagrounds. Move your head left to right rapidly while looking at the screen and you will see what is called RBE or Rainbow Effect. Once you see it you understand.

You aren't getting that without a color wheel. I have never once had anyone sit in front of any of the 4 soon to be 5 DLPs I own and heard a word about rainbows. The vast majority of people don't see them in normal content. I have only ever seen them in these peculiar scenaris of large white circles on a pure black, background and even then I had to shake my head back and forth in a very unnatural way.

Originally Posted by KewlK

... I can normally see the 60Hz flicker of incandescent light bulbs and see between the interlaced scan lines on CRTS...

Originally Posted by KewlK

I'm just not always being fooled by the continuous overlapping of the component colors. I can normally see the 60Hz flicker of incandescent light bulbs and see between the interlaced scan lines on CRTS. So I suppose I'm just a freak.

Maybe there is a way to crank up the LED pulsing rate somewhere within the service menu? I highly doubt it though.