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post #31 of 73
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Originally Posted by mojomike View Post

How different is the DD+ eq compared with the older SMS-1 built into the previous DD? The SMS-1 was and still is a great eq unit, but it's auto function sucks.

it's about the same it seems, but instead, you can also control it from software, and you can bend the curve with your mouse making it a bit easier

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/s...p-installation
post #32 of 73
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Originally Posted by Obsidians View Post

I have a DD-10+. Not nearly an 18, obviously, and a third the price, but I've been pretty happy with it so far. It gets easily into the ~20hz range and does a respectable job of pressurizing my ~4500 ft^3 living/dining room. Obviously, it's not going to be at nearly the level of one of the much bigger subs, especially considering what you could get ID. But for a small, extremely attractive (WAF) sub, it gets the job done, which is what I was looking for. If it was a dedicated HT room, I would definitely take the money that the DD-10+ cost and buy a bigger, more powerful, but less pretty sub.

The built-in room EQ has been a bit disappointing. It does a decent job, but I think there are better options out there. I've been a lot more impressed with the results of the Paradigm/Anthem system, for instance.

If I had the space and budget for a DD-18+ (a few years, hopefully!), I would probably get a Paradigm Sub1 instead. Something to consider.

Exactly....

I don't get why some folks seem to forget that some of us can't and some of us don't want huge tank size sub's in our listen space. for a number of reasons.. Cough***** "significant other"******Cough

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Originally Posted by Obsidians View Post

I haven't used the previous version, so I can't comment on that specifically. I will say that I basically ended up disabling most of the EQ that it did and using my receiver's EQ instead.

What about the older EQ was so bad?


The SMS-1 was the shizz nizzz, and just convenient in so many levels, but now hear the disappointment with the Velo eq, I hope this isn't the platform for the SMS-2


DJoel
post #33 of 73
Velodyne DD-15 versus DD-15+ max output

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/s...ments-analysis

post #34 of 73
That is certainly a lot more output below 50hz. It's too bad they seemed to have to give up some punch above 60hz. Then again, there's always the eq.
post #35 of 73
Thread Starter 
If I'm reading this correctly, it looks like the DD-15+ has about 3 times as much output as the old DD-15. Is that correct? If so, I wonder if the same it with the DD-18+ over the old DD-18. That's an amazing accomplishment for a subwoofer that's about the same size.
post #36 of 73
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Originally Posted by benny blanko View Post

Velodyne DD-15 versus DD-15+ max output

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/s...ments-analysis





If I'm reading this correctly, it looks like the DD-15+ has about 3 times as much output as the old DD-15. Is that correct? If so, I wonder if the same is with the DD-18+ over the old DD-18. That's an amazing accomplishment for a subwoofer that's about the same size.
post #37 of 73
One of the subs I use is my 11 year old HGS-18 from Velodyne. While not an output monster, it's still sounds damn good. I can only imagine the 18+ being that much better. I wouldn't pay that kind of money for it, but that's an individual issue. Most people wouldn't have liked the $3K price tag of the HGS-18 back then either, though.
post #38 of 73
My HGS-15 sounded fantastic. That sub just had a sweet sound to it. The DD-18 was a huge step up and it also was excellent.

From those graphs, the DD-15+ easily outperforms the DD-18. DD-18+ should be a monster.
post #39 of 73
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Originally Posted by mojomike View Post
How different is the DD+ eq compared with the older SMS-1 built into the previous DD? The SMS-1 was and still is a great eq unit, but it's auto function sucks.
The DD+ utilizes the same 8 band parametric equalizer that was featured in the original DD and the SMS-1. The difference is now you no longer have to hook the subwoofer up to a television, although you still have that option. The DD+ allows you to connect to a PC to adjust the equalizer in real time, and save your setting to restore again at a future time.

The DD+ also features a new equalization mode. In addition to the self EQ, which equalizes the subwoofer without taking into account the rest of your system, and the manual parametric modes, there is a new Auto EQ+ mode. The Auto EQ+ utilizes a supplied CD to send sweep tones through your system allowing the subwoofer to see your system cross-over and speakers, then automatically adjust phase and the 8 band equalizer at fixed EQ points.
post #40 of 73
Thanks Rob. Do you anticipate a future free-standing unit?
post #41 of 73
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Originally Posted by Rob Morse View Post
The DD+ utilizes the same 8 band parametric equalizer that was featured in the original DD and the SMS-1. The difference is now you no longer have to hook the subwoofer up to a television, although you still have that option. The DD+ allows you to connect to a PC to adjust the equalizer in real time, and save your setting to restore again at a future time.

The DD+ also features a new equalization mode. In addition to the self EQ, which equalizes the subwoofer without taking into account the rest of your system, and the manual parametric modes, there is a new Auto EQ+ mode. The Auto EQ+ utilizes a supplied CD to send sweep tones through your system allowing the subwoofer to see your system cross-over and speakers, then automatically adjust phase and the 8 band equalizer at fixed EQ points.
The 8 band parametric EQ built into the DD-18 is the reason Keith Yates awarded the DD-18 "Best Real World Solution" in his Way Down Deep shootout. It was as highly recommended as the Danley Servo-Drive Contrabass and the Genelec HTS6, even though the DD-18 was middle of the pack in ultimate output.

http://www.hometheater.com/content/w...and-award-goes
post #42 of 73
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Originally Posted by spyboy View Post
the 8 band parametric eq built into the dd-18 is the reason keith yates awarded the dd-18 "best real world solution" in his way down deep shootout. It was as highly recommended as the danley servo-drive contrabass and the genelec hts6, even though the dd-18 was middle of the pack in ultimate output.

http://www.hometheater.com/content/w...and-award-goes
2004...
post #43 of 73
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Originally Posted by lukeamdman View Post
2004...

When Craig Chase of Chase Home Theater bought a DD-18 to test along with a bunch of others, including the top rated Ed A7-900, he ended up keeping the DD-18 for several years. He and his kids really liked it.

Not many subs lasted very long in his house after testing was done.

PS He also kept the Ed A7-900 but instead of being kept in the house like the DD-18 the Ed A7-900 ended up being kept in the garage....
post #44 of 73
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Originally Posted by spyboy View Post
When Craig Chase of Chase Home Theater bought a DD-18 to test along with a bunch of others, including the top rated Ed A7-900, he ended up keeping the DD-18 for several years. He and his kids really liked it.

Not many subs lasted very long in his house after testing was done.

PS He also kept the Ed A7-900 but instead of being kept in the house like the DD-18 the Ed A7-900 ended up being kept in the garage....
Interesting!

I loved my DD-18. Considering the size of my current subs I'm still amazed at its output for being so small.
post #45 of 73
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Originally Posted by lukeamdman View Post

Interesting!

I loved my DD-18. Considering the size of my current subs I'm still amazed at its output for being so small.

I second that
post #46 of 73
Thread Starter 
According to this video, the Digital Drive Plus models have 3-6 db more output than the old non-Plus models, and many other improvements. 3-6db more output and many other improvements is impressive, considering how good the old models were.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXkcCpuxORo
post #47 of 73
Thread Starter 
I still want to buy a DD-18 Plus and this is the best deal I've seen so far. Are DD-18 Plus owners happy with their purchase?


http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls....Plus-gloss-bla
post #48 of 73
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Originally Posted by bossobass View Post

Compete? They outsell all of those combined and predate them by more than a decade.

BTW, they sell ID now and the DD18+ is not $6k.

If someone prefers to audition a sub then have it delivered and set up by an authorized and reputable dealer, then the Velo DD18+ is an excellent choice. Great sub from a great company.

Bosso

Well said Bosso. Horses for courses ... The DD-18 remains one of my favorite subs ever and I would love the hear the DD-18+.
post #49 of 73
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Originally Posted by mojomike View Post

Thanks Rob. Do you anticipate a future free-standing unit?

I am not aware of any such product in development at this time.
post #50 of 73
Thread Starter 
This may be my opportunity to buy a DD-18+ for a great deal. Seems like a deal I finally can't pass-up. It must be Cyber Monday.


http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls....Plus-gloss-bla
post #51 of 73
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Originally Posted by peterpioli View Post

This may be my opportunity to buy a DD-18+ for a great deal. Seems like a deal I finally can't pass-up. It must be Cyber Monday.


http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls....Plus-gloss-bla

That is funny, I purchased one of my DD-18's (I owned 3 of them) from him 7 or 8 years ago. He (the seller) was acting as agent for an A/V magazine reviewer who had purchased the review unit. He was a good guy and the sub was perfect.
post #52 of 73
Thread Starter 
Looks like another rave review of the DD-18+. It's the first sealed subwoofer to achieve the Audioholics Extreme room size rating.

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/s...-drive-plus-18
post #53 of 73
Thread Starter 
Has anyone compared the DD-18+ to the Paradigm Sub 2? What's the difference in output and sound quality?

The Sub 2 is hard to find for a good price, but I have found a used DD-18 Plus for as low as $3695 asking price.

http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls....Plus-gloss-bla
post #54 of 73
i got a question for you guys...when you put cd for test tone and turn sound system on and hold eq button, should my amplifier be on stereo, 5 ch stereo or pro logic 2 mode? second, when i run set up on yamaha ypao,it set all my speakers to large as i got 4 towers -2 energy vertias and two rc 70s...but i want them small to 80 hz crossover...so i change that manually and then when i run eq on 18 plus, it just kept increasing volume and went to max and just stood there for 35 min trying to remove the dip at 80hz...no clue what to do here? in the end i set them all to large and it finished set up in 4 minute but i dont want this setting...third why is my amplifier showing sub at 10 feet although it is not at front...its in the middle of side wall and about 6-7 ft from couch....my volume is 35 on sub and -10 in the amp for sub...is this ok?if you guys can please answer and solve my issue that will be great....
post #55 of 73
I can't really help with the questions relateing to YPAO, but as far as the discrepancy relating to the distance: Subs with their own electronics, especially those with advanced processing like the DD's, have a latency (delay due to the electronics) which will change the apparent distance that the AVR measures. Typically it's best to trust the distance as measured by the AVR because it takes into account this latency.
post #56 of 73
Thread Starter 
I'm thinking of buying another DD-18 Plus. This one seems to be a good deal. Any thoughts?

http://app.audiogon.com/listings/subwoofers-velodyne-dd-18-plus-gloss-black-like-new-2012-08-29-home-theater-95124
post #57 of 73
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Originally Posted by peterpioli View Post

I'm thinking of buying another DD-18 Plus. This one seems to be a good deal. Any thoughts?
http://app.audiogon.com/listings/subwoofers-velodyne-dd-18-plus-gloss-black-like-new-2012-08-29-home-theater-95124

The warranty is NOT TRANSFERRABLE to a second owner. With this much money involved I would go with a new unit. Here is a link to the warranty information.

http://velodyne.com/warranty-subwoofers
post #58 of 73
Hi, I introduce myself, my name is Israel.
I am new to the forum, but not read, I've read this forum about 5 years.

I'm from Spain, so excuse my English, I am using a translator and not very accurately tena when translating into English.

In some post above, I read as a user said he could DD18 + 110dbs to 20hz 2 meters.

The point is that on the web:

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/speakers/subwoofers/digital-drive-plus-18/dd18-mesurements-cont


There seems to agree with that statement makes giving 103.4 dbs with 22% THD and 104.5 dbs with 47% THD.



I find it difficult to reach 110 dbs to 20hz 2 meters in open field (Another thing different would it come to room, it is very possible that if you do).
The fact is that at high volumes if you look at the graphs that appear in the url I put, begins to have a great compression from the 30hz.




A hug and happy to share opinions with you all.

Israel
post #59 of 73
have you considered paradigm sub2? if your willig to spend the $$$ might as well get that.
post #60 of 73
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Originally Posted by whasaaaab View Post

have you considered paradigm sub2? if your willig to spend the $$$ might as well get that.

The Sub 2 produced 106.4 db at 20Hz:


Sub2CEA2010MaxOutput.png

Dual DD 18+ will produce +/- 109 db at 20 Hz.

OMG, when did the DD 18+ hit $5,800 ? eek.gif


This one for $3,500 is looking better and better:

http://app.audiogon.com/listings/subwoofers-velodyne-dd-18-plus-gloss-black-like-new-2012-08-29-home-theater-95124
Edited by spyboy - 9/1/12 at 11:59am
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