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post #10081 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Johnny, keep in mind that's one viwere's opinion. I had the advantage of having both my Kuro Pro 151 and Elite, ISF'd by Kevin Miller and I came away with a different opinion. I frankly don't see this color saturation difference on these two properly calibrated displays. I was able to compare them for several weeks before selling the Pro 151. The only way you can be 100% sure about perceived differences is to do an A/B on two calibrated displays. Stores like Magnolia don't offer us that opportunity and often, there's not much we can do about it.
As another poster said above, he had the good fortune of comparing a calibrated VT50 to a calibrated Elite at a great retailer like VE. Unfortunately not many have that opportunity.
Honestly, if the Elite were any more saturated, I'd begin to think it would not look accurate as it might take on an over-saturated or cartoony look. That's actually my main concern with OLED. Every one I've ever seen is over-saturated. The main claim to fame of OLED is exactly that, very saturated colors. So if current displays can already conform to Rec709, what advantages do we gain with a display that has even more saturated colors?
This is kind of like the expanded color palette that some displays offer. What good is it if these expanded colors fall outside of the Rec709 triangle? I've yet to hear a good answer for this.

That is correct. I guess I should have chose my words better. The Elite definitely has great color saturation (in my eyes). It just doesn't have the depth of a plasma. This really is just a difference of a tech. BUT, the Elite definitely has more depth than all other LEDs and is catching up to plasma. And to be clear, if I returned the VT50 and went with the Elite I am 100% sure I would have been okay with more pop and less depth after a week or two. The Elite is an amazing TV and has many other superb qualities to over compensate for depth

If you get a chance, go to best buy and look at the Elite and Samsung LED and you will be able to see the difference in depth between the two TVs. To me this is what makes the Elite feel plasma like compared to all other LED/LCDs.

Depth vs pop is definitely a preference thing. I think this is somewhere where OLEDs will make great strides (being able to produce pop and depth).
post #10082 of 14509
Came across a post on another forum saying new Elites coming Oct-Nov. Just speculation?
post #10083 of 14509
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Originally Posted by gary cornell View Post

Came across a post on another forum saying new Elites coming Oct-Nov. Just speculation?

Link or hint? If there isn't an electronic show in between now and then, I doubt that will be the case. I am sure Sharp will want to display these TVs on the main stage. But what do I know
Edited by jbrady3324 - 7/14/12 at 8:39am
post #10084 of 14509
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Originally Posted by obxdiver View Post

Can u see the cyan bug? tongue.gif
I know I see one big spider. You could probably scare someone with that thing wink.gif
post #10085 of 14509
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Originally Posted by [Irishman] View Post

I have to say that the "pre-calibration" service may offer some improvement to the pq, it also stands to introduce problems as well, because the calibrator performing it can't know the lighting situation in YOUR home. Unless I totally misunderstand one of the PRIMARY reasons for having a panel ISF'd, it's no more effective than taking someone elses ISF offsets from AVS, plugging them into your own set at home, and thinking you've got a fully-calibrated panel.
You don't, and I'm surprised more calibrators aren't refusing to do this.

If I'm not mistaken, calibration also takes the differences from panel to panel into account as well. That would explain why plugging in someone else settings doesn't alway work without tweaking them. In other words two identical sets may calibrate slightly different. When Kevin did my set, he placed a black sheet over the display and his equipment to remove any ambient light in the room. Also lets not forget about the finer adjustments available in the locked out ISF modes vs standard preset modes. As for calibrators refusing to do in store calibrations I doubt Ken would want to ruin his reputation with sub par results. After calibration, my Elite's picture is simply stunning and life like.
Edited by kesando - 7/14/12 at 8:18am
post #10086 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

I know I see one big spider. You could probably scare someone with that thing wink.gif
There were some amazing close up shots of big ugly nasty looking bugs during that series (Monster Bug Wars) on Science HD a few months back.
I am amazed at how they get such close up shots on some of these nature shows.
And Science HD is one sweet looking channel on Direct TV. It demonstrates blu ray quality PQ on many (but not all) shows.
post #10087 of 14509
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Originally Posted by [Irishman] View Post

I have to say that the "pre-calibration" service may offer some improvement to the pq, it also stands to introduce problems as well, because the calibrator performing it can't know the lighting situation in YOUR home. Unless I totally misunderstand one of the PRIMARY reasons for having a panel ISF'd, it's no more effective than taking someone elses ISF offsets from AVS, plugging them into your own set at home, and thinking you've got a fully-calibrated panel.
You don't, and I'm surprised more calibrators aren't refusing to do this.

I think that issue is quite a bit minimized by having ISF day & ISF night. Between the two there should be a very nice choice for varied lighting. But yes, I agree, the best choice would be to have the ISF done in-home. Short of that this is a very reasonable approach. Much of the ISF calibration is to get the color & gamma right and that should be done quite nicely in, as you call it, a 'pre-calibratrion' state.
post #10088 of 14509
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Originally Posted by obxdiver View Post

Thanks Ken. I use a Canon PowerShot S3 mounted on a tripod in Manual mode with a long shutter speed.
But...don't look too hard at them...that Cyan bug may bite u tongue.giftongue.gif

And here I though it was a mosquito bite!

BTW, those notorious 'weak greens' are coming through too in your pix. biggrin.gif
post #10089 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

I think that issue is quite a bit minimized by having ISF day & ISF night. Between the two there should be a very nice choice for varied lighting. But yes, I agree, the best choice would be to have the ISF done in-home. Short of that this is a very reasonable approach. Much of the ISF calibration is to get the color & gamma right and that should be done quite nicely in, as you call it, a 'pre-calibratrion' state.

I totally agree. At home is the way to go. Having a professional come into your home is an experience. Not only do you learn from these guys, but you also get to voice your opinion about the calibration results such as "I would like to have ISF night a bit brighter" or "I prefer a slightly cooler picture". These guys are there to make you happy.
post #10090 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

And here I though it was a mosquito bite!
BTW, those notorious 'weak greens' are coming through too in your pix. biggrin.gif

Thanks
I will setup the camera again and get some more updated pix sometime this weekend.
I just bought alot of blu ray movies yesterday, so we will see what they look like.
Hugo also looks amazing on the Elite

BTW: For those wondering, all those pics were taken with the Elite setup according to the posted CNET settings for THX Movie.
CNET SETTINGS LINK
post #10091 of 14509
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Originally Posted by obxdiver View Post

Thanks
I will setup the camera again and get some more updated pix sometime this weekend.
I just bought alot of blu ray movies yesterday, so we will see what they look like.
Hugo also looks amazing on the Elite
BTW: For those wondering, all those pics were taken with the Elite setup according to the posted CNET settings for THX Movie.
CNET SETTINGS LINK

Perhaps you can give me some tips on capturing some good pics of the Elite though I suspect my Sony point and shoot may not be up to the task.
post #10092 of 14509
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Originally Posted by jbrady3324 View Post

Link or hint? If there isn't an electronic show in between now and then, I doubt that will be the case. I am sure Sharp will want to display these TVs on the main stage. But what do I know

I thought the same so i checked with Robert. Looking at April which makes sense as they like the big CES splash. Does this mean no new Elite at CEDIA China Expo Nov. 7?
post #10093 of 14509
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Originally Posted by kesando View Post

Perhaps you can give me some tips on capturing some good pics of the Elite though I suspect my Sony point and shoot may not be up to the task.
Sure no problem. Most cameras today have manual modes where u can adjust the shutter speed.
And, you MUST mount the camera to a tripod. I also use the 10 second timer feature on the camera so that when the camera actually takes the picture, my hands are not touching it.
Due to long shutter speeds, any tiny motion of the camera will fuzz the image.
Find the scene you want to photograph, pause the image, insure its a worthy still image for a photograph to be taken, then trigger the camera.
It may take several adjustments of shutter speed to get a picture that will WOW the viewers.
I am looking at a movie called "Speed Racer" right now.
It is absolutely amazing with huge pop factor. The colors are just incredible on the Elite.
Tonight, after dark, I will take some shots of this movie.
I will tell you my camera settings also..

EDIT: Looking at the EXIF properties of the bug pictures in the dark, I used a shutter speed of 1/15 sec and Aperture value f/2.7
The camera was ~13 feet away from the Elite.
Edited by obxdiver - 7/14/12 at 11:32am
post #10094 of 14509
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Originally Posted by gary cornell View Post

I thought the same so i checked with Robert. Looking at April which makes sense as they like the big CES splash. Does this mean no new Elite at CEDIA China Expo Nov. 7?

the current Elite came out in August or September so I don't think Sharp is necessarily waiting for one of the big trade shows to debut their new models...October would be great but my gut tells me April sounds more realistic
post #10095 of 14509
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Originally Posted by kdog750 View Post

Is the difference seriously night and day having it professionally calibrated?
Do you mean like the difference between "ON" and "OFF"? wink.gif

You can read what other owners have had to say after getting their displays calibrated by using the link in the signature area at the bottom of my post. Flat panel lists are in the second post.
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Or does it just tweak things to make it a bit better for purists?
The goal, as much as possible for any given display, is to match the industry standard that's used in creating most of what we watch. For me it's natural skin tones. I'm irritated by faces with sickly green undertones, or faces that look sunburned. Calibration can also reveal detail that's been lost as a result of bad settings. Each person will have a different take on what they enjoy.
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Unless I'm missing something the only way to get it professionally calibrated is to get it through VE or hire one of these guys and fly them out to your house. I don't think The Geek Squad at BB is up to the task.
I agree almost completely. The best calibrators are in demand over large areas of the country. They do regular tours and will tell you up front what their travel fee is. I've seen tour travel fees of $50, $75, and $100 depending on the number of customers and the size of the area that will be visited on a given tour. Of course, if you are rich and can't wait for a scheduled tour, you can pay the total travel expenses for a visit. smile.gif
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And is mostly what you are accomplishing with a professional calibration just a bit more accurate depiction of colors or is it something more drastic? Just trying to get a good feel for this. It's the magnitude of purchasing a small car afterall so I don't want to screw up.
Paying around $400 to calibrate a $6500 display and insure that it's performing at it's very best doesn't seem out of proportion to me. But, that's just a personal opinion of some one very happy with his calibrated display. What new small car can you buy for that kind of money? tongue.gif
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I may have to buy this TV sight unseen and will be depending on answers from this forum.
Are you located in a remote area, or in the Houston area? Calibrator tours are concentrated in highly populated areas, which is why the VE service is important to some folks. Aren't there any Sharp Elite dealers in Houston?

Good luck with your search.
Edited by htwaits - 7/14/12 at 11:53am
post #10096 of 14509
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Originally Posted by kesando View Post

Perhaps you can give me some tips on capturing some good pics of the Elite though I suspect my Sony point and shoot may not be up to the task.
I will tell you right off that the cameras do not have the dynamic range required to capture the full brightness range of these TVs. You'll either crush the blacks or burn the highlights in these kind of wide range scenes. And keep in mind that browsers are not inherently color managed, and most user's monitors are not color calibrated, even if your TV is ...

Just a reminder smile.gif
post #10097 of 14509
Are you located in a remote area, or in the Houston area? Calibrator tours are concentrated in highly populated areas, which is why the VE service is important to some folks. Aren't there any Sharp Elite dealers in Houston?

Good luck with your search


Im about 2.5 hours east of Houston. I only checked at the Magnollia Center. I will have to call Sharp and see if they might have any affiliates in the Houston area they know of that will have a display available.
post #10098 of 14509
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Originally Posted by gary cornell View Post

I thought the same so i checked with Robert. Looking at April which makes sense as they like the big CES splash. Does this mean no new Elite at CEDIA China Expo Nov. 7?

Gary, you know these things are always delayed. I'll bet there will be no October/November release.
post #10099 of 14509
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Originally Posted by kdog750 View Post

Are you located in a remote area, or in the Houston area? Calibrator tours are concentrated in highly populated areas, which is why the VE service is important to some folks. Aren't there any Sharp Elite dealers in Houston?
Good luck with your search

Im about 2.5 hours east of Houston. I only checked at the Magnollia Center. I will have to call Sharp and see if they might have any affiliates in the Houston area they know of that will have a display available.

If you prefer LED/LCD, there is nothing close to being in the same class as the Elite. I really cannot think of a scenario (aside from receiving a display that has a defect or something) where you would not be happy with this display.
post #10100 of 14509
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Originally Posted by jbrady3324 View Post

Alright, I am back and my decision is made.
First thing first, the viewing angle isn't that bad on the 70" Elite given how large it is. The 60" definitely can definitely be crippled by the viewing angle. So for my viewing environment, this is not a concern. So it came down to color (accuracy and depth). I am not sure if the TV had the patch or not, but I did notice any pulsing or haloing (ok yea, if I put my face against the screen close at the I could make a case for some haloing, but that doesn't count!)
I watched Dark Knight (all around), Aliens (for dark scenes with whites), Star Trek (deep blacks with tons of color)
Black Level and Contrast
I already know the Elite trumps when it comes to black level, but I have to comment on it again. Based on black level and pop, Star Trek and Aliens are absolutely stunning on the Elite. In terms of black level, I felt as if I was watching this on my 500m (deeper blacks than 141,111,151,600m) with just a bit more pop, especially when it came to the whites. Space scenes in Star trek just have amazing color pop. It is like watching an image on top of a sheet of black glass. Cool stuff. The blacks appear deeper here than the 500m because of the brightness of the color. I've watched each of these on my VT50 and they are stunning as well. Not trying to knock the VT50 as it is just about on the same level as a 151/141 in terms of black level and we all know that is damn good. During mid to high APL scenes, the VT50 stands firm with the Elite. Whites are brighter on the Elite, but overall the scenes are just as stunning on each TV. If all I watched was movies with dark scenes, I would have a tough time not choosing the Elite. Anyways, overall the Elite wins in this category which is no surprise. But it isn't as far ahead as you might think.
Color Accuracy
I am keeping this section short. Color accuracy isn't really an issue. The colors are pleasing and accurate. If accuracy is the only thing holding you back from purchasing the Elite, my recommendation would be to purchase the Elite. Flesh tones in Dark Knight and Star Trek both looked great. Not a factor in my decision as overtime I would just accept it and forget it wasn't 100% accurate.
Color Depth
Here is where the VT50 wins and where the displays start to look different. Unlike most LED/LCDs, the Elite does have color depth and good amount of it. However, the VT50 has more. It gives you that natural feel that I enjoy so much. I would say the advantage that the Elite has in black level is the same advantage the VT50 has in color depth and saturation with a slight edge to the VT50 (The VT50 loses to the kuro/500m in is this category)
Motion
The VT50 wins. The Elite is very good though. I would accept the difference in motion over time and stop caring. So honestly, this isn't factoring into my decision a whole lot.
So which TV is better? I really can't say. I'm not sure. Technically the answer is clear and in the eyes of many professionals the answer is also clear, however for the enthusiast and consumer, I think it comes down to values and preference. I do know I will be sticking with the VT50 as I prefer better color depth and saturation. But it is hard to walk away from the amazing black level and color pop the Elite provides.
Next year will be interesting. I think The Elite has more to improve on and more headroom than the VT50. Thus I think the Elite can surpass the Kuro next year while the VTx0 might only be able to match it. IMO



I would like to point out that there has been a recent issue discovered concerning the VT50's video processing. Basically it looks like Panasonic for its 2012 flagship is using a poor video processor where pq for cable and satellite channels is soft and unwatchable in 1080i. Owners are resorting to 720p and even letting their STBs do the de-interlacing until they can look at purchasing external AVRs with capable video processors to minimize this issue. This is no way affects blu ray 1080p material and is strictly relegated to lower quality sources. This is a huge deal in my opinion as the majority of my viewing is HD cable and will affect me personally as it may most potential new owners out there. I'm not trying to fan any flames but I've quietly been researching for a 65-70 inch set and my decision had come down to one of these two sets and have been following both owners threads very closely.

I know we have a couple of owners here that have have had or even currently have both these sets at home. Can you chime in and let us know how these 2 sets compare handling HD cable/ satellite sources? I'm pretty sure that the elite doesn't have any problems in this regard or I figure I would have read about it by now. I'm strictly interested in how it compares to the VT50.

Fanaticalism- Maybe I can convince you to plug in your set one more time before you send it back ? wink.gif

Thanks!

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1408338/official-panasonic-vt50-owners-thread/4260

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1408338/official-panasonic-vt50-owners-thread/4230
Edited by Chere - 7/14/12 at 2:56pm
post #10101 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Chere View Post

I would like to point out that there has been a recent issue discovered concerning the VT50's video processing. Basically it looks like Panasonic for its 2012 flagship is using a poor video processor where pq for cable and satellite channels is soft and unwatchable in 1080i. Owners are resorting to 720p and even letting their STBs do the de-interlacing until they can look at purchasing external AVRs with capable video processors to minimize this issue. This is no way affects blu ray 1080p material and is strictly relegated to lower quality sources. This is a huge deal in my opinion as the majority of my viewing is HD cable and will affect me personally as it may most potential new owners out there. I'm not trying to fan any flames but I've quietly been researching for a 65-70 inch set and my decision had come down to one of these two sets and have been following both owners threads very closely.
I know we have a couple of owners here that have have had or even currently have both these sets at home. Can you chime in and let us know how these 2 sets compare handling HD cable/ satellite sources? I'm pretty sure that the elite doesn't have any problems in this regard or I figure I would have read about it by now. I'm strictly interested in how it compares to the VT50.
Fanaticalism- Maybe I can convince you to plug in your set one more time before you send it back ? wink.gif
Thanks!
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1408338/official-panasonic-vt50-owners-thread/4260
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1408338/official-panasonic-vt50-owners-thread/4230

The issue is being blown out of proportion at the moment. It is definitely not unwatchable and we are not exactly sure what the issue is just yet and if there is even an issue on every set. Myself, I am not bothered by the issue. Stay tuned though

But I will say, Panasonic should be ashamed that the CMS luminance controls do not work and if this turns out to be an issue as well... I'm sure there will be uproar. But trust me, if this was a big issue, I would be running to the recycling bin to get my VT50 box!

Like you thought, the Elite doesn't have any issues with 1080i. You would have heard it by now.
Edited by jbrady3324 - 7/14/12 at 3:26pm
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Originally Posted by kdog750 View Post

Are you located in a remote area, or in the Houston area? Calibrator tours are concentrated in highly populated areas, which is why the VE service is important to some folks. Aren't there any Sharp Elite dealers in Houston?

Good luck with your search


Im about 2.5 hours east of Houston. I only checked at the Magnollia Center. I will have to call Sharp and see if they might have any affiliates in the Houston area they know of that will have a display available.
You sound like a potential VE customer. A very very long time ago I spent the first two phases of flight school in Harlingen and then Houston.
Edited by htwaits - 7/14/12 at 3:19pm
post #10103 of 14509
I noticed this with my gt50, I had my sharpness at 95 on 1080i sources and it still looked soft. But it was in way unwatchable.

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Originally Posted by Chere View Post

I would like to point out that there has been a recent issue discovered concerning the VT50's video processing. Basically it looks like Panasonic for its 2012 flagship is using a poor video processor where pq for cable and satellite channels is soft and unwatchable in 1080i. Owners are resorting to 720p and even letting their STBs do the de-interlacing until they can look at purchasing external AVRs with capable video processors to minimize this issue. This is no way affects blu ray 1080p material and is strictly relegated to lower quality sources. This is a huge deal in my opinion as the majority of my viewing is HD cable and will affect me personally as it may most potential new owners out there. I'm not trying to fan any flames but I've quietly been researching for a 65-70 inch set and my decision had come down to one of these two sets and have been following both owners threads very closely.
I know we have a couple of owners here that have have had or even currently have both these sets at home. Can you chime in and let us know how these 2 sets compare handling HD cable/ satellite sources? I'm pretty sure that the elite doesn't have any problems in this regard or I figure I would have read about it by now. I'm strictly interested in how it compares to the VT50.
Fanaticalism- Maybe I can convince you to plug in your set one more time before you send it back ? wink.gif
Thanks!
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1408338/official-panasonic-vt50-owners-thread/4260
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1408338/official-panasonic-vt50-owners-thread/4230
post #10104 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Chere View Post

I would like to point out that there has been a recent issue discovered concerning the VT50's video processing. Basically it looks like Panasonic for its 2012 flagship is using a poor video processor where pq for cable and satellite channels is soft and unwatchable in 1080i. Owners are resorting to 720p and even letting their STBs do the de-interlacing until they can look at purchasing external AVRs with capable video processors to minimize this issue. This is no way affects blu ray 1080p material and is strictly relegated to lower quality sources. This is a huge deal in my opinion as the majority of my viewing is HD cable and will affect me personally as it may most potential new owners out there. I'm not trying to fan any flames but I've quietly been researching for a 65-70 inch set and my decision had come down to one of these two sets and have been following both owners threads very closely.
I know we have a couple of owners here that have have had or even currently have both these sets at home. Can you chime in and let us know how these 2 sets compare handling HD cable/ satellite sources? I'm pretty sure that the elite doesn't have any problems in this regard or I figure I would have read about it by now. I'm strictly interested in how it compares to the VT50.
Fanaticalism- Maybe I can convince you to plug in your set one more time before you send it back ? wink.gif
Thanks!
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1408338/official-panasonic-vt50-owners-thread/4260
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1408338/official-panasonic-vt50-owners-thread/4230

I have had both and currently have the ELITE. Both handle 1080i equally well. I thought the VT50 looked better, but that may have boiled down to LED vs Plasma. I even ran my DIRECTV signal through my DVDO i-scan to up convert the quality to 1080p and didn't see much difference on either set, maybe a little noise reduction on the ELITE. I wouldn't let this effect your decision, but it maybe on a set to set basis.
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You are right. Again this is a recently discovered issue and we don't know enough to say how big of a problem this is yet. But I have seen many owners in both the GT50 and VT50 thread bring up pq issues relating to cable/ satellite sources time and time again for a while now and I really hope that it won't be because of this hardware issue in the end. Coupled with the CMS luminance issue- this will be something I'll be keeping a close eye out on moving forward while I'm making my decision. At this point, the 70 inch elite pro definitely looks more promising to me.
post #10106 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

I think that issue is quite a bit minimized by having ISF day & ISF night. Between the two there should be a very nice choice for varied lighting. But yes, I agree, the best choice would be to have the ISF done in-home. Short of that this is a very reasonable approach. Much of the ISF calibration is to get the color & gamma right and that should be done quite nicely in, as you call it, a 'pre-calibratrion' state.

When I referred to a "pre-calibration", I did so in response to your post using verbiage about having a set "pre - calibrated", so please don't attribute the phrase to me. I also did so in a derogatory way, as I see it as - at best - only getting half the service. Maybe if the calibrators offering the service did so for 50% off??

Maybe that would change my view of it.
post #10107 of 14509
Let me ask current owners - what do you have the sharpness control set to? I found the default 0 on the soft side. I am using 2 and it's a world of difference with absolutely no artifacting whatsoever.

If you currently use Sharpness = 0, give 2 a try. I think you'll be very pleasantly surprised.
post #10108 of 14509
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Originally Posted by obxdiver View Post

I am amazed at how they get such close up shots on some of these nature shows.
And Science HD is one sweet looking channel on Direct TV. It demonstrates blu ray quality PQ on many (but not all) shows.
Same thing can be said about the educational 3D programs Directv has. Pretty cool when you see elephants charging out of the screen in your direction wink.gif
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Originally Posted by Chere View Post

I would like to point out that there has been a recent issue discovered concerning the VT50's video processing. Basically it looks like Panasonic for its 2012 flagship is using a poor video processor where pq for cable and satellite channels is soft and unwatchable in 1080i. Owners are resorting to 720p and even letting their STBs do the de-interlacing until they can look at purchasing external AVRs with capable video processors to minimize this issue. This is no way affects blu ray 1080p material and is strictly relegated to lower quality sources. This is a huge deal in my opinion as the majority of my viewing is HD cable and will affect me personally as it may most potential new owners out there. I'm not trying to fan any flames but I've quietly been researching for a 65-70 inch set and my decision had come down to one of these two sets and have been following both owners threads very closely.
I know we have a couple of owners here that have have had or even currently have both these sets at home. Can you chime in and let us know how these 2 sets compare handling HD cable/ satellite sources? I'm pretty sure that the elite doesn't have any problems in this regard or I figure I would have read about it by now. I'm strictly interested in how it compares to the VT50.
Fanaticalism- Maybe I can convince you to plug in your set one more time before you send it back ? wink.gif
Thanks!
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1408338/official-panasonic-vt50-owners-thread/4260
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1408338/official-panasonic-vt50-owners-thread/4230

As I've said, all these displays have issues, every one of them. The longer the set is out in the wild, the more likely these issues are to surface. Pick your poison and be happy. But I was not aware of this issue with the VT50 and agree that if true, it's pretty serious. Time will tell and if it's widespread, perhaps Panasonic will issue a fix for it if it's software as opposed to hardware based.
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Originally Posted by [Irishman] View Post

When I referred to a "pre-calibration", I did so in response to your post using verbiage about having a set "pre - calibrated", so please don't attribute the phrase to me. I also did so in a derogatory way, as I see it as - at best - only getting half the service. Maybe if the calibrators offering the service did so for 50% off??
Maybe that would change my view of it.

It's a bit of an exaggeration to say this is only getting half the service, don't you think? Based on people who have gotten this '1/2 service', they seem quite satisfied, not 50% satisfied. Oh, and trust me, I never had a doubt that you used the term in a derogatory way. wink.gif
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