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7/15/12 at 5:05pm
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Many display don't de-interlace 1080I signals very well either so I'm not sure what's the big deal...

There are degrees of poor deinterlacing, so I guess we'll have to see how bad the VT50 is. But since this an Elite thread, I guess there's no point in dwelling on the problems of the VT50. smile.gif
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7/15/12 at 5:09pm
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they don't use cable or satellite in the shootout..only direct inputs from blu ray players..what's better than that..sounds phony to me and some crappy setups more than the tv

Actually using a BD player will give you little idea about a display's deinterlacing problems since the material coming off Blu Ray is almost always progressive.
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7/15/12 at 6:59pm
Well I've had me 70x5 for about 3 weeks now and just thought I'd share my thoughts. I've had many tvs over the past 7 years probably about 8(I've got a bit of a problem)my last couple of sets were the vt20 then the Sony hx800 then the vt30 and I had the gt50 for about 5 weeks when I was waiting for my vt50 to arrive. The gt50 was a great set but there were a couple of things that bothered me. Going from a 55 to a 65 I saw a lot more dithering noise, in 3d I could see it a lot. I also see the Panasonic flicker and trailing and line bleed. The acoustics of my theater room also make it very easy to hearing the buzzing of a plasma. My wife said I could get any set I wanted if I promised to keep it for 5 years. So I decided to go big and give the elite a try and I absolutey love this tv. The black levels mixed with the rich color and bright whites is somthing I've always wanted but could never get. When I had a plasma I like the blacks but always missed the punch of a led set and when I had a led I missed the blacks of a plasma. I feel like I have the best of both worlds now. I know no tv is perfect but the elite is a close as it gets for me, and I think it will keep me happy for the next 5 years....well I'm hopping it will or this will be a long five years.
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7/15/12 at 9:42pm
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

As always, the buyer's eyes must be the ultimate evaluator of picture quality. smile.gif
Ah, very true, however everyone has different taste. To each his own wink.gif
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post #10145 of 13284
7/16/12 at 2:18am
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Originally Posted by ll Viper ll View Post

I had a hard time trying to ignore this post..and I can't. It's not 'one naysayer', and IMO D-nice's opinion counts at least as much as numerous less educated peoples'. It's entirely possible that a majority of Kuro owners would prefer the Elite but I doubt very much that it's a 'vast' majority, so please, lets not let ourselves run away with this hyperbole. Be better than the other side..I'm not a hater btw--would looove to own a 70'' Elite

No, opinions from nonowners do NOT count "at least as much as" those of owners. Much less Ken Ross, who btw is not in the habit of making exaggerations to support his position- if he says it's a vast majority, then you'd better believe a VAST majority will prefer the elite.
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7/16/12 at 4:01am
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Originally Posted by Adamd View Post

Well I've had me 70x5 for about 3 weeks now and just thought I'd share my thoughts. I've had many tvs over the past 7 years probably about 8(I've got a bit of a problem)my last couple of sets were the vt20 then the Sony hx800 then the vt30 and I had the gt50 for about 5 weeks when I was waiting for my vt50 to arrive. The gt50 was a great set but there were a couple of things that bothered me. Going from a 55 to a 65 I saw a lot more dithering noise, in 3d I could see it a lot. I also see the Panasonic flicker and trailing and line bleed. The acoustics of my theater room also make it very easy to hearing the buzzing of a plasma. My wife said I could get any set I wanted if I promised to keep it for 5 years. So I decided to go big and give the elite a try and I absolutey love this tv. The black levels mixed with the rich color and bright whites is somthing I've always wanted but could never get. When I had a plasma I like the blacks but always missed the punch of a led set and when I had a led I missed the blacks of a plasma. I feel like I have the best of both worlds now. I know no tv is perfect but the elite is a close as it gets for me, and I think it will keep me happy for the next 5 years....well I'm hopping it will or this will be a long five years.

Adam, I think you're thoughts reflect the overwhelming majority of Elite owners' opinions coming from plasma. I never would have considered LED/LCD prior to the Elite since I was a hard core plasma lover. However the Elite really redefined LED/LCDs and removed the obstacles that prevented many videophiles from using this tech as their main viewing display.

Leon, thanks for your post, but I probably should clarify what I said in my original post since I may not have been clear. I said that the overwhelming majority of Elite owners who had previously (or currently) owned Kuros, preferred the picture of the Elite to that of the Kuro. This takes nothing away from the Kuro, but based upon posts in this thread, that seems to be the opinion.
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post #10147 of 13284
7/16/12 at 8:00am
Hi All - In regard to calibration I'd appreciate it if everyone could post any feedback they receive from calibrators regarding the Elite TVs. As I previously mentioned, I've had two different ISF-certified calibrators claim that they could not do accurate calibrations of the ISF modes and would only do the THX mode of my TV. Turbe mentioned that they likely lacked the proper equipment, and Elite support hinted that they lacked some information. But I am curious to see if this is more of a widespread trend or controversey.

Thanks,
JD

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Differences between ISF and your own settings? It really depends on how good your own settings are. For most people who have commented on it, I'd say it's pretty significant. That's how I've found it. BTW, for many people there's no need to fly a calibrator out to your house. Most of the time you can find an ISF tech who is within driving distance. The option you mentioned of getting it pre-calibrated through VE is another great option.
The ISF tech will adjust brightness, contrast, gamma, color levels, color accuracy and more. They'll do it in both the day & night ISF modes as well as the 3-D mode if you so choose. Most importantly, they'll be doing it with pricey calibration equipment that few of us would ever buy. They also come to you with tons of experience and expertise doing this kind of thing.

+1 . They will run break in slides on the set for you for 100 hours before calibration is performed at the store . I had the pleasure to meet and speak with Kevin miller while he did my calibration. I even took some photos with them at the store . I also purchased a number of other items so VE also threw in a calibration of THX movie mode for me. This is great to have when streaming Netflix as ISF day and night are not active with Internet apps.
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post #10148 of 13284
7/16/12 at 8:15am
All this talk about "pre calibration" is misleading. I don't know about other stores, but the service performed at VE is a full ISF calibration by respected calibrators. To be be sure I sat there with Kevin miller for about 3-4 hours as it was performed and the results are stunning with natural colors and deep blacks that disappear in into the bezel (at home) wink.gif. A calibrated set for sure looks more natural than plugged in settings to my eyes. I have yet to see ANY pulsing in ISF day and night as well as the THX modes. These modes were also calibrated BTW. While there could be some merit to calibrating at home only, the results on my display would say otherwise. I just don't see respected calibrators such as kevin or D-Nice performing calibrations that would lead to subpar results
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7/16/12 at 8:21am
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Adam, I think you're thoughts reflect the overwhelming majority of Elite owners' opinions coming from plasma. I never would have considered LED/LCD prior to the Elite since I was a hard core plasma lover. However the Elite really redefined LED/LCDs and removed the obstacles that prevented many videophiles from using this tech as their main viewing display.
Leon, thanks for your post, but I probably should clarify what I said in my original post since I may not have been clear. I said that the overwhelming majority of Elite owners who had previously (or currently) owned Kuros, preferred the picture of the Elite to that of the Kuro. This takes nothing away from the Kuro, but based upon posts in this thread, that seems to be the opinion.
Didn't you own the 929 prior to the Elite? If so, it would appear you not only considered LED, but purchased one.

I agree that the Elite redefined the technology and is by far the best large (70") flat panel option on the market and am confident that will continue to be, since the 75" Samsung and LG that are to be released, from a technological standpoint are basically what these companies have out already, just in larger sizes (i.e. not worth the cost of admission with subpar blacks, non-local dimming and mura.)

A lot of manufacturers have caught on though and are realizing that PQ doesn't sell TV's, reputation, design and raw brightness so. With my Elite, people would come over and ask me "why is your tv so dark?", because my TV has good contrast! I would then have to go into an entire explanation as to what makes up good PQ from an objective POV.
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post #10150 of 13284
7/16/12 at 8:26am
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Originally Posted by kesando View Post

All this talk about "pre calibration" is misleading. I don't know about other stores, but the service performed at VE is a full ISF calibration by respected calibrators. To be be sure I sat there with Kevin miller for about 3-4 hours as it was performed and the results are stunning with natural colors and deep blacks that disappear in into the bezel (at home) wink.gif. A calibrated set for sure looks more natural than plugged in settings to my eyes. I have yet to see ANY pulsing in ISF day and night as well as the THX modes. These modes were also calibrated BTW. While there could be some merit to calibrating at home only, the results on my display would say otherwise. I just don't see respected calibrators such as kevin or D-Nice performing calibrations that would lead to subpar results

Respectfully, but I have to know. Have you had an in-home ISF Calibration done for you before to which you can compare this one?
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post #10151 of 13284
7/16/12 at 8:47am
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Originally Posted by [Irishman] View Post

Respectfully, but I have to know. Have you had an in-home ISF Calibration done for you before to which you can compare this one?

No as my previous tv was a 12 year old Sony RPTV. However I was present for the ISF calibration of both my parent's Kuro Elite 60" TVs that I talked them into getting. Ever since then, any display I purchase in the future will get calibrated. I too would own one btw if they were still available.
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post #10152 of 13284
7/16/12 at 9:53am
I did not own the 929 but I did have the 800, it was a edge lite led with dimming but it only has like 8 zones so when watching wide screen the bars looked gray. After that set I
Went back to Plasma for black levels but missed the brightness of the led. Now I got both and I'm loving it.
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Didn't you own the 929 prior to the Elite? If so, it would appear you not only considered LED, but purchased one.
I agree that the Elite redefined the technology and is by far the best large (70") flat panel option on the market and am confident that will continue to be, since the 75" Samsung and LG that are to be released, from a technological standpoint are basically what these companies have out already, just in larger sizes (i.e. not worth the cost of admission with subpar blacks, non-local dimming and mura.)
A lot of manufacturers have caught on though and are realizing that PQ doesn't sell TV's, reputation, design and raw brightness so. With my Elite, people would come over and ask me "why is your tv so dark?", because my TV has good contrast! I would then have to go into an entire explanation as to what makes up good PQ from an objective POV.
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7/16/12 at 10:08am
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Actually using a BD player will give you little idea about a display's deinterlacing problems since the material coming off Blu Ray is almost always progressive.

I agree this is an issue often overlooked in reviews (including the Shootout). Some sets do a much better job at deinterlacing/upconverting broadcast channels. This was a large part of what drew me to the Pioneer Elite 1140HD I purchased several years ago. At the time HD broadcast was not as widespread as it is now and this set did a noticeably better job unconverting SD than competing sets available at the time.

It would be interesting to play some 1080i broadcast content in a setting like the Shootout and throw a critical eye on the results.
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post #10154 of 13284
7/16/12 at 12:30pm
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Originally Posted by Fanaticalism View Post

With my Elite, people would come over and ask me "why is your tv so dark?", because my TV has good contrast! I would then have to go into an entire explanation as to what makes up good PQ from an objective POV.

Tell me about it. I have to go into the same explanation about the subs in my home audio system and why they don't have "more bass" Most people just aren't used to reference (or close to reference) audio/video. Nowadays I just cringe at the SOE and blinding colors on my friends LCD or the Boomy distorted bass I hear in many car audio systems.
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post #10155 of 13284
7/16/12 at 1:10pm
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Originally Posted by Leon! View Post

Much less Ken Ross, who btw is not in the habit of making exaggerations to support his position- if he says it's a vast majority, then you'd better believe a VAST majority will prefer the elite.
If you mean that Ken maintains that a vast majority of Elite owners who previously owned Kuro displays prefer the Elite. Then I agree.

What you have written is that a vast majority of Kuro owners will prefer the Elite. In that case I'm surprised that Ken hasn't corrected you. The vast majority of Kuro owners haven't even seen a Sharp Elite. wink.gif
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7/16/12 at 1:46pm
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Didn't you own the 929 prior to the Elite? If so, it would appear you not only considered LED, but purchased one.

You are correct. I was originally impressed with the Sony's black levels. However actual ownership showed me some of the inherent weaknesses of the Sony. That's why I kept it for a very short period of time after I saw the Elite. smile.gif
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post #10157 of 13284
7/16/12 at 1:54pm
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If you mean that Ken maintains that a vast majority of Elite owners who previously owned Kuro displays prefer the Elite. Then I agree.
What you have written is that a vast majority of Kuro owners will prefer the Elite. In that case I'm surprised that Ken hasn't corrected you. The vast majority of Kuro owners haven't even seen a Sharp Elite. wink.gif

Actually I did correct that comment twice. Read my second paragraph responding to his post above. I had also corrected this on a prior post several pages back. So once again, I was referring to Elite owners who either previously or currently own an Elite.
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post #10158 of 13284
7/16/12 at 1:59pm
945 local dimming model just released ....

photo here !

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1397136/official-sharp-aquos-lc-60le945u-lc-70le945u-owners-thread/80_40#post_22224124

a review here


http://reviews.lcdtvbuyingguide.com/sharp-lcd-tv/sharp-lc70le945u.html
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post #10159 of 13284
7/16/12 at 2:14pm
I have a question about the optical output from this tv. I have the 60" and I'm looking into soundbar options. Assuming hd audio input from bluray going in via hdmi to the tv, what is the output over optical?
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post #10160 of 13284
7/16/12 at 2:45pm
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I had a hard time trying to ignore this post..and I can't. It's not 'one naysayer', and IMO D-nice's opinion counts at least as much as numerous less educated peoples'. It's entirely possible that a majority of Kuro owners would prefer the Elite but I doubt very much that it's a 'vast' majority, so please, lets not let ourselves run away with this hyperbole. Be better than the other side..I'm not a hater btw--would looove to own a 70'' Elite

No, opinions from nonowners do NOT count "at least as much as" those of owners. Much less Ken Ross, who btw is not in the habit of making exaggerations to support his position- if he says it's a vast majority, then you'd better believe a VAST majority will prefer the elite.
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If you mean that Ken maintains that a vast majority of Elite owners who previously owned Kuro displays prefer the Elite. Then I agree.
What you have written is that a vast majority of Kuro owners will prefer the Elite. In that case I'm surprised that Ken hasn't corrected you. The vast majority of Kuro owners haven't even seen a Sharp Elite. wink.gif

Actually I did correct that comment twice. Read my second paragraph responding to his post above. I had also corrected this on a prior post several pages back. So once again, I was referring to Elite owners who either previously or currently own an Elite.
Kuro Elite. smile.gif

I looked for a reply to Leon! about his characterization before I posted. I still haven't found it. In any case I was sure you hadn't said what Leon! indicated. Most likely he just misstated without realizing that he had.

Enjoy.
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7/16/12 at 3:14pm
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945 local dimming model just released ....
photo here !
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1397136/official-sharp-aquos-lc-60le945u-lc-70le945u-owners-thread/80_40#post_22224124
a review here
http://reviews.lcdtvbuyingguide.com/sharp-lcd-tv/sharp-lc70le945u.html

WOW. Very Very interesting. The reviews for the 945 (more like an in depth spec sheet than an actual review) indicate this will be the "Flagship" model from Sharp this year. If true, I would imagine no new Elite until next year (as rumored). Which makes me wonder if this TV will literally almost be the current Elite repackaged. I mean, literally the current Elite TV (with a few minor tweaks or bells and whistles left off). It would make sense if the rumors of a 4K Elite next year (March/April) are true.

Basically repackage the Current Elite as the 945, drop the price a bit, and roll out a new Elite next year with 4k to justify the higher price point.
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7/16/12 at 5:33pm
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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

945 local dimming model just released ....
photo here !
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1397136/official-sharp-aquos-lc-60le945u-lc-70le945u-owners-thread/80_40#post_22224124
a review here
http://reviews.lcdtvbuyingguide.com/sharp-lcd-tv/sharp-lc70le945u.html

very cool news...I thought there were rumors of the 945 getting cancelled?...stealth release?...definitely interested in hearing more...especially how it compares to the Elite...cyan/color fix?...pulsing fix?...with a cheaper price point to boot
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7/16/12 at 6:38pm
I just got off the phone with Elite service plans. I got the email offering the extended warranty and seeing as I'll have this set 5 years whether it's working or not, I called to purchase. I was offered 1 yr for $157 or 2 years for $202. Kinda threw me off as others here were getting 1 yr only- at $97, so I took the 2 yrs. Then they asked what I paid.confused.gif Now I don't think real quick, especially on the phone- So I told them.eek.gifmad.gifrolleyes.gif As soon as I said it I wanted to beat my head against the wall. Silence... "thats quite a bit lower than we show..." So I expect if I have a claim they won't be paying full price.
So to anyone calling on this, make a mental note to tell them msrp.
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7/16/12 at 6:54pm
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I have a question about the optical output from this tv. I have the 60" and I'm looking into soundbar options. Assuming hd audio input from bluray going in via hdmi to the tv, what is the output over optical?

I'm not sure that Lossless audio via a soundbar is an option. I would consider the ZVox ZBase 580 unless the reason you want a soundbar is the shallow depth of typical bars. Audition one at your Best Buy/Magnolia, and I think you'll be impressed.
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7/16/12 at 6:57pm
How long did you own the set before Elite called you offering the extended warranty? I signed for Elite care on the website and got an automated message from them shortly after.
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7/16/12 at 9:08pm
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How long did you own the set before Elite called you offering the extended warranty? I signed for Elite care on the website and got an automated message from them shortly after.

It was 4 months almost to the day. They never did call, if they did I didn't get the message. I got an email early in the month with a july 16 deadline. Deadline my ass, I hope I'm done being a chump for awhile.biggrin.gif
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7/16/12 at 9:59pm
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I just got off the phone with Elite service plans. I got the email offering the extended warranty and seeing as I'll have this set 5 years whether it's working or not, I called to purchase. I was offered 1 yr for $157 or 2 years for $202. Kinda threw me off as others here were getting 1 yr only- at $97, so I took the 2 yrs. Then they asked what I paid.confused.gif Now I don't think real quick, especially on the phone- So I told them.eek.gifmad.gifrolleyes.gif As soon as I said it I wanted to beat my head against the wall. Silence... "thats quite a bit lower than we show..." So I expect if I have a claim they won't be paying full price.
So to anyone calling on this, make a mental note to tell them msrp.
Do you have the 60 or the 70? IIRC the 70 warranty cost noticeably more than the 60.
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7/16/12 at 10:29pm
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Kuro Elite. smile.gif
I looked for a reply to Leon! about his characterization before I posted. I still haven't found it. In any case I was sure you hadn't said what Leon! indicated. Most likely he just misstated without realizing that he had.
Enjoy.

Then no need for the word games, since you know what he meant, & what I meant- just that if KEN ROSS posts something, then you can take it to the bank (the MONEY bank)! Was my point.

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7/17/12 at 12:28am
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Johnny, keep in mind that's one viwere's opinion. I had the advantage of having both my Kuro Pro 151 and Elite, ISF'd by Kevin Miller and I came away with a different opinion. I frankly don't see this color saturation difference on these two properly calibrated displays. I was able to compare them for several weeks before selling the Pro 151. The only way you can be 100% sure about perceived differences is to do an A/B on two calibrated displays. Stores like Magnolia don't offer us that opportunity and often, there's not much we can do about it.
As another poster said above, he had the good fortune of comparing a calibrated VT50 to a calibrated Elite at a great retailer like VE. Unfortunately not many have that opportunity.
Honestly, if the Elite were any more saturated, I'd begin to think it would not look accurate as it might take on an over-saturated or cartoony look. That's actually my main concern with OLED. Every one I've ever seen is over-saturated. The main claim to fame of OLED is exactly that, very saturated colors. So if current displays can already conform to Rec709, what advantages do we gain with a display that has even more saturated colors?
This is kind of like the expanded color palette that some displays offer. What good is it if these expanded colors fall outside of the Rec709 triangle? I've yet to hear a good answer for this.

True sir. I purely speak from my own experience from a previous gen... probably irrelevant now a days. I've been nothing but impressed with the Sharp Elite honestly. The future is bright (and er... dark...) for this tech with what Sharp is doing. Only reason I haven't jumped on the Elite wagon is because of pricing... and I like the Kuro's viewing angles. Can't wait for 2nd gen to see what it brings.

About OLED, yes... most if not all OLED displays are over saturated. But at LCDs infancy and even plasmas... color accuracy was a struggle. Once higher quality panels appear and more OLEDs appear... things will sort itself out. Give Sharp Elite's team OLED tech and see what happens etc.

Check out the Sony OLED monitors... excellent color accuracy.
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7/17/12 at 4:21am
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I'm not sure that Lossless audio via a soundbar is an option. I would consider the ZVox ZBase 580 unless the reason you want a soundbar is the shallow depth of typical bars. Audition one at your Best Buy/Magnolia, and I think you'll be impressed.

I'm debating between the Yamaha YHT-S401 which you can use simulated 7.1 or add actual rear speakers to, or the Vizio VHT510 which comes with rears. I'll check out this zvox unit you mentioned. The main reason I was asking about the audio was other threads (845/847) recommend wiring through the tv with hdmi then optical out to the soundbar. I don't know if that is the recommendation for the elite sets.
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