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post #10261 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Adamd View Post

I don't see it on my cable but I use IVC low for that. Ive been seeing on on 1080p content, batman begins and on mission impossible 4. I made a IVC settings for my movies I have not really tried it out yet, but I notice I loose some black level with it.

I primarly use ISF-Night although I have used IVC-Low before, for me it works good in eliminating pulsing scenes although I find that the IVC-Low is just to bright for most of my viewing conditions. During the viewing of mission impossible 4 and the dark knight I did not notice any pulsing, like I said it's so extremely rare that I can only recall one blu-ray move I ever saw it in, Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy. It's quite possible that you are more sensitive to the pulsing issue then I am or that my calibration is making the difference. cool.gif
post #10262 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Adamd View Post

I don't see it on my cable but I use IVC low for that. Ive been seeing on on 1080p content, batman begins and on mission impossible 4. I made a IVC settings for my movies I have not really tried it out yet, but I notice I loose some black level with it.
Yes, you definitely lose black level. You can reclaim it lowering the backlight setting. Of course you lose some top end too, but that also gets jacked up by IVC Low. Experiment is the operative word here.
post #10263 of 14509
Thank you to all you folks who have been posting your experiences and perspectives on this thread. I've been reading your posts for months now and I've finally made a decision on a set.

Today I spoke with Chris at Cleveland Plasma/ Extreme Electronics and agreed to purchase the 60" Elite. I got a great deal from Chris and will be sending my check off tomorrow.

Thank you Chris!

I'm really excited because I've been watching a 32" Sony since September of '08. And for the last 16 months I've been sitting 12 feet from the screen.

So this NFL season I'll get to watch the Niners on a good-sized screen that is one of the best out there! During the playoffs last year I had to sit on the floor so I could really watch closely as the plays were developing.

Not only that, but I've had some movies like "AVATAR" and "The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo" since they came out on Blu Ray, but I've refused to watch it them on my small Sony.

I'm looking forward to seeing what I've been missing from Blu Ray on my OPPO BDP-93.

I'm very psyched! biggrin.gif
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Barring Acts of God and Nature and Snoozing Assembly Line People, you're in for a treat smile.gif
post #10265 of 14509
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Originally Posted by 760rapta View Post

Thank you to all you folks who have been posting your experiences and perspectives on this thread. I've been reading your posts for months now and I've finally made a decision on a set.
Today I spoke with Chris at Cleveland Plasma/ Extreme Electronics and agreed to purchase the 60" Elite. I got a great deal from Chris and will be sending my check off tomorrow.
Thank you Chris!
I'm really excited because I've been watching a 32" Sony since September of '08. And for the last 16 months I've been sitting 12 feet from the screen.
So this NFL season I'll get to watch the Niners on a good-sized screen that is one of the best out there! During the playoffs last year I had to sit on the floor so I could really watch closely as the plays were developing.
Not only that, but I've had some movies like "AVATAR" and "The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo" since they came out on Blu Ray, but I've refused to watch it them on my small Sony.
I'm looking forward to seeing what I've been missing from Blu Ray on my OPPO BDP-93.
I'm very psyched! biggrin.gif

Going from a 32" lcd to a top quality set in the 60" size you're going to be blown away. Now get a sound system to go with that and truly become enthralled in a movie or TV show. Enjoy.smile.gif
post #10266 of 14509
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

I did hear a BB salesman tell a person interested in the Sharp Elite that Sharp had taken over the Pioneer display division and that they were building the Sharp Elite displays. It seemed like a dumb sales pitch that Sharp wouldn't be happy about. wink.gif

I was at BB tonight as well and asked the sales guy who was holding up the Desk in the back of the store about the Elites and if they knew anything on new ones. Anyways, he said the Elite was discontinued and had been for a while. I asked him where he heard that and how long ago. Said it was from the manufacturer and it was about a year and a half ago. I asked the BB sales guy how that is possible when the Elite hasn't even been available a year yet?

Best Buy really has some morons working for it. And yet their CEOs wonder why people use them to window shop. All I can do is shake my head.
post #10267 of 14509
Lets say a really good guy at BB sells a 70" Elite in 30 minutes, he makes $7.50 if he is lucky and the store gets $2500 if it is sold a little under full boat. There is something very, very wrong with that. That is just wrong !
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Originally Posted by BarrettF77 View Post

I was at BB tonight as well and asked the sales guy who was holding up the Desk in the back of the store about the Elites and if they knew anything on new ones. Anyways, he said the Elite was discontinued and had been for a while. I asked him where he heard that and how long ago. Said it was from the manufacturer and it was about a year and a half ago. I asked the BB sales guy how that is possible when the Elite hasn't even been available a year yet?
Best Buy really has some morons working for it. And yet their CEOs wonder why people use them to window shop. All I can do is shake my head.

I'll give him the benefit of doubt and assume he thought you meant the Pioneer Elites. wink.gif
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Does anyone have an informed opinion as to when the new Elite will come out, if there is to be one, and what we might expect it to be like?
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

Lets say a really good guy at BB sells a 70" Elite in 30 minutes, he makes $7.50 if he is lucky and the store gets $2500 if it is sold a little under full boat. There is something very, very wrong with that. That is just wrong !
Welcome to the Wonderful World of Exploited Capitalism rolleyes.gif ...
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Originally Posted by tomboyter View Post

Does anyone have an informed opinion as to when the new Elite will come out, if there is to be one, and what we might expect it to be like?

Nothing official, best guess is March 2013 after CES. No information on what tech the next gen will have.
post #10272 of 14509
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Since were on the topic of Pulsing I did see a few scenes of it so far in the first season of Star Trek TNG (blu-ray) re-masterd verson episode one Far-point Station. It was no big deal though and I'll keep everyone posted as the series progresses perhaps I'll take some video of it to. cool.gif
post #10273 of 14509
I talked to sharp again today and the guy on the phone talked to one of there techs about the pulsing. As far as there concerned the problems been resolved and there is no plan for another update. That is not good news for me and I may end up
returning my elite.
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Originally Posted by Adamd View Post

I talked to sharp again today and the guy on the phone talked to one of there techs about the pulsing. As far as there concerned the problems been resolved and there is no plan for another update. That is not good news for me and I may end up
returning my elite.

Just remember you may find that your next display has even worse issues so be careful, no display will ever be perfect you just need to pick one out and start enjoying it. From the selection of displays out thus far I'd say your two best bets are the Elite or the VT50, but both have their selection of different issues so make sure test everything out before jumping ship.

PS: Even if you wait for the new Elite or something else down the road they will all still have issues so don't fool yourself thinking you will eventually end up with a perfect display because I'm sory you won't. You just have to decide what you can live with, it's just the way it works. cool.gif
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If I do return my elite it would be for the vt50, I know nothing is perfect and it is a hard decision to make. I know the vt50 has its problems as well but at 3k cheaper it would be a little easier to swallow.
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Originally Posted by Adamd View Post

I talked to sharp again today and the guy on the phone talked to one of there techs about the pulsing. As far as there concerned the problems been resolved and there is no plan for another update. That is not good news for me and I may end up
returning my elite.
That's not great news. I may after all call mine in for replacement and see if there's a positive difference with another set.
post #10277 of 14509
I tried three different elites and got the pulsing to show on all three, do replacing one for another might be a waste of time. Your next set may have other problems as well.

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That's not great news. I may after all call mine in for replacement and see if there's a positive difference with another set.
post #10278 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Adamd View Post

I tried three different elites and got the pulsing to show on all three, do replacing one for another might be a waste of time. Your next set may have other problems as well.
Yeah, I'm just making a statement here ... that's why I haven't really been thinking that much about it. But maybe I'll just threaten and see if they respond ... rolleyes.gif
post #10279 of 14509
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If I do return my elite it would be for the vt50, I know nothing is perfect and it is a hard decision to make. I know the vt50 has its problems as well but at 3k cheaper it would be a little easier to swallow.

It's all about what you are looking for in your priorities weighed against the price factor. The first one in my book is the Elite's deep inky blacks levels, all other qualities would have to be secondary for me. If a display did not pass or equal that part of the test then I would see no reason to proceed. The VT50 is a great deal if you can live with the limitations of Plasma technology i.e. phosphor trailing, image retention, screen burn, buzzing or humming, higher power consumption and heat etc. just to name a few from the top of my head. Additionally you will have to live with the new issues now plaguing the VT50 series, so again make sure you can live with those issues before jumping ship you may find them worse to live with then pulsing. cool.gif
post #10280 of 14509
Plus the reduction in screen size in going to the VT50 from the 70 inch Elite. I could never downgrade to a smaller 65 inch set. The 5 inches may not seem like a big deal on paper but it does have a significant impact on the viewing experience.
post #10281 of 14509
I sit 9 to 8.5 away from my tv so going back to a 65 won't be to big of a deal. The 70 is a mammoth from 8.5 feet away. If sharp had a fix for the pulsing I would be keeping it.I must be sensitive to pulsing because it drives me nuts. I did own the gt50 for a good 5 weeks so I already know what time getting myself into and the vt50 has even better PG then the gt.
post #10282 of 14509
I wonder if the 60" is less prone to pulsing than the 70"? I've been watching some shows that I know would have brought out the pulsing and I just don't see any in the ISF mode.
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Originally Posted by grxz View Post

Plus the reduction in screen size in going to the VT50 from the 70 inch Elite. I could never downgrade to a smaller 65 inch set. The 5 inches may not seem like a big deal on paper but it does have a significant impact on the viewing experience.
You are right on that, #1 reason for buyers remorse is size.
post #10284 of 14509
I was able to get a 60 inch to pulse and flicker just as easy as my 70. In thx mode with local dimming on I see pulsing quite often, but then again now I'm looking for it. It's really a shame about the pulsing it's making it impossible for me to enjoy my set and now it's probably going back. For those people that don't notice consider yourself lucky, and don't go looking for it like I did.
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

I wonder if the 60" is less prone to pulsing than the 70"? I've been watching some shows that I know would have brought out the pulsing and I just don't see any in the ISF mode.
post #10285 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Adamd View Post

I was able to get a 60 inch to pulse and flicker just as easy as my 70. In thx mode with local dimming on I see pulsing quite often, but then again now I'm looking for it. It's really a shame about the pulsing it's making it impossible for me to enjoy my set and now it's probably going back. For those people that don't notice consider yourself lucky, and don't go looking for it like I did.

Or here's a novel idea. You could a listen and take the advice of someone who's had the TV for 9 months. I had very bad, consistent pulsing. I found some material unwatchable. Now I no longer have pulsing yet my PQ reamins fantastic. A couple of folks have given you advice as how to eliminate it. If you chose to ignore the advice then I highly recommend that you return the TV.
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Like I said befor I did try using AVC low but unless you turn the back light down very low the black level is not as good. I don't like AVC low for blu rays, I don't mind it for hd cable. Having to use AVC low to fix a problem does not sit well for me and I think its rediculas, but that's just me.

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Originally Posted by hhtatum View Post

Or here's a novel idea. You could a listen and take the advice of someone who's had the TV for 9 months. I had very bad, consistent pulsing. I found some material unwatchable. Now I no longer have pulsing yet my PQ reamins fantastic. A couple of folks have given you advice as how to eliminate it. If you chose to ignore the advice then I highly recommend that you return the TV.
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Originally Posted by Adamd View Post

I was able to get a 60 inch to pulse and flicker just as easy as my 70. In thx mode with local dimming on I see pulsing quite often, but then again now I'm looking for it. It's really a shame about the pulsing it's making it impossible for me to enjoy my set and now it's probably going back. For those people that don't notice consider yourself lucky, and don't go looking for it like I did.

Well, let's be clear on this, I do notice pulsing very easily and discussed it when this was a very new issue. I can see it in the non-THX movie mode, but don't use that mode for other reasons. I had test material (NCIS) that clearly showed it. I even demonstrated this to Kevin Miller who clearly saw it too. However, in THX movie mode and in Kevin's calibrated ISF modes, there is virtually no pulsing. Kevin and I looked very very closely for it on my demo material after his calibration and we saw none.

So it's not as if I can't see it when it's there, it's simply a case of it being almost non-existent on my set.
post #10288 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Adamd View Post

Like I said befor I did try using AVC low but unless you turn the back light down very low the black level is not as good. I don't like AVC low for blu rays, I don't mind it for hd cable. Having to use AVC low to fix a problem does not sit well for me and I think its rediculas, but that's just me.
I'm with you on the blacks in IVC Low. But certain settings in Local Dimming will mitigate the flickering.

Yeah, we shouldn't have to endure this occasional torture ... it's just the picture looks so good otherwise!
post #10289 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

You are right on that, #1 reason for buyers remorse is size.
Funny, I feel no remorse whatsoever ... eek.gif
post #10290 of 14509
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Originally Posted by cleobel View Post

My 70" is now 7 months old, and I have not had any problems at all with it. Maybe I was just lucky. My tv has a November build date, and I purchased it from Robert at VE. I also paid and had them professionally calibrate it before taking delivery. I am glad that I let these pros do it. There doesn't seem to be many calibrators out here that do the job correctly. One point: Most of my viewing is in video mode "dot x dot", but on some broadcast programs I use "stretch" in order to to prevent flicking/pulsing around the picture edge. This is an outstanding TV!! I still have my pioneer elite 151, but this 70" elite is the one that most of my family watch. Many people want to discredit it for various reasons; just know that I wouldn't hestitate to buy it again. I am bragging; my 70" elite is awesome.smile.gif

Yes, I too will use the stretch mode on certain cable channels that refuse to broadcast their content properly. Some channels will look fine until they put on their channel logo. At that point you may see some picture 'hash' or lines on the left & right side of the picture. Keep in mind this is not an artifact being introduced by the Elite, but is merely the Elite reproducing what's actually being broadcast.

It amazes me that some of these broadcasters have so little regard about the quality of their picture. It's as if they don't understand that many displays now have the ability to reproduce their signal in a 'dot by dot' mode.
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