Official Sharp Elite PRO-70X5 and 60X5 Owners Thread - Page 345

And it should be understood that judder occurs naturally in film. It's simply the nature of the way film is shot. The Elite is not adding 'judder', it's merely reproducing the judder that is inherent in the film.

Oh I definitely know that some movies are shot with a filter sometimes to create a different effect. For example, 300 has a somewhat pixelated look to give it a graphic novel feel. O Brother Where art Thou was shot with a brownish color filter to give it a 1930's feel. There are other examples but those are off the top of my head.

And thanks for the heads up on ISF. Apparently I was mistaken on what that entailed.

I still haven't made the 3 hour drive to be able to see the Elite in person. I have seen the 65" Sony 929 in action though. Is it fair to say the PQ will be close to this since it's the same technology? I know the Elite has more dimming zones, but would you say it's a close approximation of what what I would see on the Elite?

Yeah Kdog, there are many people who just don't like the ISF 'look'. Even though it conforms to a set standard, it's often a much 'tamer' and subdued look than how people often have their displays adjusted. We often tell people on AVS to live with an ISF adjusted display for a couple of weeks and then go back to the settings they previously had. Often, in a case like that, people will then view their original settings very differently...sometimes to the point of saying their previous settings now looked 'garish'. Of course there are others who never get accustomed to the look.

Dyauswinters and Ken Ross: I believe we did turn the film mode to off, but I will go back again and try that specifically. It's nice to have two people confirm that. I'm open-minded, yet a little doubtful, since I believe we did that. Thank you both for the settings recommendations.

Ken Ross: Funny you mention Sony, because I also checked out the Sony HX929, and I do not believe any setting could prevent the SOE with that, and the kids running the store love the SOE, and have every TV in the entire store running SOE to the max. I didn't want to mention it because I didn't want to get off track.

kdog750: You should go to the theater and sync the movie on your iPad and watch it on that.

Since I too had a 929, I can tell you the picture is definitely better. Is it 100X better? No, but it is better. There is no haloing, the blacks with actual content are better and the overall dynamic range is better. If you're in to 3D, that is much better than the Sony.

It's worth a drive to see one. Hopefully you'll find one that isn't adjusted too badly.

Trust me, I've never yet seen a display of any type where the SOE couldn't be adjusted out. There should be absolutely zero SOE on a properly adjusted Elite. Zero.

lol well I know my preferences don't match up well with most of the purists here. I guess I would be considered a videophille that prefers the settings of someone with zero audio/video knowledge. The exception is 3D though. I absolutely hate it and wish it would fade away like a bad fart. It's a fad that's showed up every decade or so for the last half century.

I do trust that it is true for you, and I'm glad to know you're sensitive to it. I just have to go back and see if your recommendations work for me. Is there any other settings that can be adjusted that may help, or just the film mode and perhaps the 120Hz?

I'm with you on the 3D. It gives me a headache.

2D or not 2D, that is the question.
3D is not for me, that is the answer.

See, I can do poetry too .

I will say that a really good 2D BD transfer looks like 3D to me on this TV.

I have the tv set up fine no motion enhancement settings at all. What I see on some movies isint really a SOE but it looks strange to me. Ive owned plasmas for the last 3 years or so. The motion on the elite is the best I've seen on a LCD but I still prefer plasma in that aspect.

You really need to go back to plasma since it seems there are too many things bothering you about the Elite and this tech. No point fighting it if it's not working for you.

Well judging from sales, 3D is not much of a hit...thankfully. To me, with the one exception of Avatar, it's just a lousy excuse to charge more for a movie ticket and provide an 'excuse' for not making a good movie on its own merits.

if i plan to take it with me to europe, will Elite work on 220 voltage and PAL system ?

Ya your right... I will miss the elite, but I think I'm going to go for a 65 inch st50 and wait to see what happens with the 2nd gen elites or maybe oled tech. The deep blacks and bright whites will be missed.

Well, finally unboxed the 70 that was delivered yesterday. What a monster. I fired it up and tweaked a few of the controls. Any advise on initial settings until it's calibrated?

Hi Guys,

Which calibrators that are experienced with the Elite 60" tour and or are based SoCal?

I'm looking for someone who's great, has top notch equipment and I can use for repeat calibrations. Preferably someone who discounts 50% on re-calibrations of the same set.

So far I haven't found an info source that rates/ ranks calibrators, and I'm pretty sure such source doesn't exist.

I'm set with sound for a while.

My processor is a Marantz AV7005. The speakers are driven by a Wyred4Sound Mini MC-7, 221 watts per channel, class D amp. The mains (nominal impedence 6 ohms) are bi-amped with the W4S, each upper VT-2 and each sub get 221 WPC. The center and surrounds are driven by the W4S at 221 WPC. The rear surrounds driven by a 125 WPC Parasound HCA100A.

The "weak link" is with my vintage speakers from the mid 1990's. NHT VT-2 Tower Mains and VS-2 Center. The surrounds and back-surrounds are NHT iC4's (in-ceiling), they are much newer.

I might need to replace the fronts in a few years - they can't seem to handle high volume (-10 to -4) from bass-intensive Blu Rays like THOR and Star Trek - I think the extra wattage on the mains is too much.

I love my vintage fronts from the early 90's, a pair of Apogee Acoustics Centaur hybrid ribbons. In fact I'm surprised they have lasted this long, other than replacing the woofers last year. I keep waiting for the ribbons to go since they're used daily, but there they are with their crystal clear highs, great lows and a huge soundstage well beyond the walls. Still, I wonder how long those ribbons will last ...

I had refrained for adding a center from fear of losing the particular sound of the ribbons since so much comes through the center, but last year I broke down and got a Martin Logan C2 which turned out to be a great match.

Day 16 of ownership. Very happy to have no problem so far. I watched the new Girl with Dragon Tattoo and its beginning credit scene is just incredible. The black is so black and the white is so white and the image is so sharp.

Right now I am using N3W813's setting

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1358702/official-sharp-elite-pro-70x5-and-60x5-owners-thread-no-price-dealer-talk/9090#post_22088613

Have a question about the A/V mode choices. Is it correct to say these choices (e.g. standard, movie, movie thx and so on) have their own factory default settings that I can also go back to by reset), and if I change their settings (e.g. c.m.s. and color temp and so on) then that is just what I set it to? Does anyone of these choices has its "setting" that is not available from the controls I have access to?

One of the reason I am asking about this is I see people use THX a lot in referencing to their setting selections. Is this because that is usually where you put to settings that best matches the "standard"?

You can read owner's reports about their calibrations using the link in the signature area at the bottom of my post. The flat panel reports are in post number two, and the LCD reports are near the end of that post.

There have been reports that some calibrators have said that they aren't working on the Sharp Elite at this time. Kevin Miller has an outstanding reputation and has worked on several Elites, but he's located in New York. There are three other calibrators that have had customers post reports for their work on the Elite. One of the customers is located in San Francisco.

You might also check with David Abrams, who has a very good reputation. He's located in the L. A. area. I would also check through the calibrators who have done a lot of plasma calibrations. There are many more plasma owner's who have posted reports about their calibrations than LCD displays owners.

Finally, you can check the other link to the thread about calibrator locations, and post your requirements there.

Good to hear you're having no issues.

As for resetting the picture modes, I'm actually not sure about that since I've never done a reset. But it's easy to check by simply altering one or two values in two of the picture modes and then hitting reset in one of those modes to see if it resets everything globally or just in the mode you selected. I suspect it would be just in the mode you selected....at least that would be what a good design should do IMO.

In terms of 'hidden controls', it's only the ISF modes that are locked and inaccessible to a typical user without the proper software. The controls in the other modes are all accessible to you.

Only possible explanation really.



+1
MOVE ON!

Yeah, unfortunately we just don't feel the Elite is necessarily the best fit for your needs right now, and at this point will have to ask that you to please go back to plasma. Sorry.



We wish you the best of luck.

Those NHT's are very nice and sounds like you have a very nice set up to go along with your TV. To me sound is almost as much as the picture.

Thanks, I would agree on the sound being very important. It's a pretty good image, but I wont miss watching the 32" Sony as my Home Theater screen.

It was okay for the small 600 sq ft I was living in transitioning between homes, but from 11-12 feet away it's been murderous at times.

The good news is now I'll get the most out of my OPPO and DTV BOTH in terms sound AND video!