Official Sharp Elite PRO-70X5 and 60X5 Owners Thread - Page 348

I have the Sony 929 considered as a second or third choice. However, it has problems such as extreme blooming because they turn the LED's all the way off in the local dimming. I also do not like Sony's warranty policy. If you have to exchange it you get a refurbished unit. No way around it.

The 945 is actually (tentatively) my first choice. But it's still basically vaporware until it hits the markets. It was supposed to be released this summer, then I called Sharp and they said it's been pushed back to November. Someone on the 945 thread talked to a higher representative at Sharp and the word they got was possibly next January. So who knows? With todays news of Sharp losing over a billion dollars and the stock dropping 30%, they may drop the 945 and the Elite and go in a totally different direction, if they don't go bankrupt. Honestly, after todays financial report on the company I'd be shocked if they actually release an Elite 2.

the blooming is definitely my biggest issue with the HX929...I was still tempted to get one a few months back before Sony implemented their fixed pricing initiative where every retailer must sell the set at the exact same price

as far as the 945 or Elite etc my opinion is that it's best to wait it out and see what happens and not overreact or be impatient...I think a lot of people are enamored with the Elite because it is one of the few remaining full array local dimming sets out there that competes well with the best plasma sets...the fact that Pioneer consulted with Sharp also gets people to jump in where they might not have before

whether or not the Elite 2.0 or 945 show up or not, one thing is fairly certain- I see a big price drop coming on the Elite...no way will Sharp continue their current pricing strategy...so you win if you wait...I also want a high end LCD after years of plasma use but it has to be the right one...not willing to settle or compromise or be enamored with 1 particular facet (black levels) that I don't see the forest through the trees...meaning you are not seeing the whole picture because you are concentrating on 1 aspect or detail

THANK you, I'll look into that.

At least it'll be cheaper.. I think they should've included at least a few more glasses with that price point...

Thanks m8

btw, what do you think about these ones??? they look smaller, and work on Sharps. Anyone tried these before?

http://www.amazon.com/GBSG03-JP-iTrek-Active-Shutter-Glasses/dp/B004QDYLEI/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1344055705&sr=8-4&keywords=AN-3DG20-B

Adios fellas..took a chance on the 80 inch Sharp 633U and this thing is amazing! I like the color far more on this set, don't think its the Cyan issue at all, but this model does not have the Quatron or extra yellow pixel like the ELITE, and for me it seems to be the difference. Yes the blacks are not as good, but they are close with the right settings at least to my eyes. Picture is just as sharp as far as detail. Shadow detail is a toss up for me as well, slight edge to the ELITE. Light output is the same thanks to both being back-lit LEDS. No 3D, but not an important feature. Motion is much better on this Sharp since you can tweak the De-Judder processing from 1-10 just like the Samsung's, instead of just having a low medium high like the ELITE. Then there are the obvious reasons to switch, 2K-3K less depending on where you get your TVs from, and 80 inches! WOW! Got mine from Costco, BB can suck it! 400 extra for warranty? Got 4 years with Costco for only 99 extra!

You sure about that? I remember being interested in the Samsung 8500 a few years ago. This was Samsung's flagship TV that was full array with local dimming. Then they discontinued it and went all edge lit. Not only did it not drop in price, it went to $1000 ABOVE msrp and became a cult TV as the last few remaining sets left the market.

Of course you are correct. Although MSRPs do tend to drop with virtually any consumer electronics, there is no guarantee of major price drops on high-end items such as this one. With so many rave reviews from professional reviewers, Sharp probably feels little pressure to do anything rash with pricing. If the Elite is discontinued, things might change, but even then there's no guarantee.

Let's face it, the Elite has already defied many prognosticators by holding firm on its MSRP since its release. I tend to look at things this way, sure the product I'm interested in might drop in price over time, but in the interim I've lost all that time when I could have been enjoying the product. That to me is worth something. Some people tend to wait and wait until the new product is released and then decide to wait yet again until that price drops. This cycle often repeats over and over and that individual often winds up buying nothing.

To me the biggest threat for people interested in the Elite now (given Sharp's economics as you accurately reported), is the same threat that existed for Kuro shoppers just prior to the exiting of Pioneer from the TV business. There is a chance that if Sharp decides to exit from high-end displays, product availability will soon dry up. That is precisely what happened to a buddy of mine who, by the time he decided to pull the trigger, could no longer find a Kuro. I warned him prior, since the Kuro rumors began flying almost a year prior to the actual shutdown of production.

He didn't waste too much time on this go-around once he saw the picture on the Sharp Elite, and bought the 70". Interestingly, he like me bought the 929 first and regretted it once he saw the Elite. He still has the 929 in his bedroom, but is considering selling it.

Hopefully, despite Sharp's economics and our own horrific economy, Sharp will continue to produce these great displays and release a 2nd gen Elite. But who knows?

Anyone care to place bets as to when monkey returns the 80? I am going to say a week and a half.

Why should they replace it when they can just refurb all the sets everyone has returned and have enough to sell for another year...

Interesting read in the July/August Widescreen Review magazine. An article on HDTV by Joe Kane comes to the conclusion that 4K might not be as good as our current 1080p systems, at least at the beginning. This is partially due to what he calls the "6+ percent scaling issue" that can actually result in a soft picture due to the difficulty in this scaling process.

It's an interesting read and proves that those waiting with bated breath fro 4K might be a bit disappointed. Even well executed 4K will require very large screen sizes or close seating distances to see any significant differences.

That's interesting. I'd like to see the article because the "simple math" of the geometry difference doesn't suggest that because scaling a SD DVD on a 1080p display can look quite good. In SD to HD case you are basically scaling 2x in each direction (H and W). And scaling a HD 1080p image to 4K is basically going 2x in each direction(isn't it? I haven't paid attention to 4K resolutions), but this is being done in the same surface area as a 1080p display so the pixels will be smaller. And with smaller pixels you wouldn't think the scaling would look "worse" than scaling SD to HD on a 2K display. However, this wouldn't be the first time something is counter intuitive. Is it tied to eyesight/perception wrt more and smaller pixels?

larry

This could be a real boost for the transportation industry! Sets keep getting rejected, returned, shipped back, rejected again, returned, shipped back, rejected again, returned, shipped back ...

Nothing like a TV one really likes! Enjoy it!

with any new technology there will always be those who see the glass as half empty...that being said it's strange how much Kenneth keeps trying to downplay all the potential new benefits of the Elite 2.0...he keeps saying how it may never be released or how it will introduce new bugs or how expensive it will be or how 4K doesn't matter etc...hmmm

4K's biggest hurdle will be content...to me 4K would not be the main reason I purchase an Elite 2.0...if it fixes the color and pulsing issues, that alone would be enough of a benefit to justify it

Over at the Olympics they've been showing 8K - and 4K is coming out next year? oh boy.

Hey Larry. It has to do with that '6% extra pixels' in going to 4K. IOW it appears it's not a simple doubling of the pixels in going from 2K to 4K (at least as I understand it). Kane says it's extremely difficult to upscale as a result of those extra pixels and the math is more in favor of 8K! Go figure. At any rate you can read the entire article in the current copy of Widescreen.

That was partly the hint that Joe Kane was giving. The implication was that 4K is almost obsolete in that 8K will be a more consumer-friendly resolution. In the interim, he pretty much says that we'd be better off with 2K for now.

Just to clarify for one member that seems to have constant issues with proper interpretation of my posts:

* I NEVER said the Sharp Elite 2nd gen would introduce 'new bugs' IF it is released. Might it? Of course it might and it might be an improvement without any additional 'bugs'. We simply don't know. But I find it reprehensible that this person continues to misquote, embellish and outright DISTORT virtually everything I say.

* As to me downplaying 'potential benefits' of a possible 2nd gen Elite, well, nobody knows what those benefits may be, so how can anyone downplay these 'benefits' when we have absolutely zero confirmation of any additional 'benefits' or if there will even be a 2nd gen Elite. More distortions and embellishments of what I allegedly said

* Did I say it might never be released? Sure, me and MANY others have stated that. That's a possibility, deal with it. The fact is NOBODY knows. It's already been stated by Kdog that Sharp's balance sheet is in dire straights, so his implication that there might not be a 2nd gen is entirely reasonable. Did I ALSO say I hoped there would be a 2nd gen? You BETCHA, why wouldn't I. I'm all in favor (and always have been or I wouldn't be a chronic buyer of 'brand new') of improvements and new generations of improvements. But again, more distortions and embellishments.

* WHERE did I say 4K didn't matter? I DID quote the most respected guy in the HDTV arena, Joe Kane as saying 4K may be disappointing and 'soft' at the beginning. So perhaps someone should take that up with Joe. However, as much as I love new stuff and new tech, I don't approach these things blindly as some do. The reality is that there is no content for 4K, the benefits of 4K when there is content, will best be achieved by very large screens or close viewing distances. Perhaps some have found a way of revising the laws of physics, but those are simply facts. There is a difference between stating facts and saying 4K 'doesn't matter'. But again, to totally misconstrue what I said, and do it deliberately, is reprehensible.

* I don't recall saying the new Elite (if there is one) will be 'expensive', but hey, it's a no-brainer it will be just as the current one is. Again, there is a difference between 'downplaying' and stating facts. Simply and utterly unreal.

Never say Never again was a title of a Bond movie...but yes you did in fact state that...I pulled up one instance for you...apology accepted

"Of course there's no guarantee that even 2nd year models will be free of the first year's issues or worse, introduce new bugs"

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1358702/official-sharp-elite-pro-70x5-and-60x5-owners-thread/1470#post_21044863

please don't make me look through old posts again to refute your statements...this new forum software is a pita to work with at times...plus I'm not a serial poster as I have other hobbies, interests, friends, family etc that need my time

There is a difference between stating something MIGHT occur (as I did) and saying something WILL occur. You clearly stated I said it WILL introduce new bugs (...or how it will introduce new bugs") which of course I NEVER said. My actual post stated the obvious and anyone that hasn't had experience in new models introducing new bugs while fixing old ones, just hasn't been around very long.

So thanks for proving what I said before, you continually embellish and distort my posts. Apology accepted.

You just disproved yourself with your own post. DUH!

Apology not accepted.

You clearly don't get it. YOU can't spend YOUR money they way YOU want. You are disprupting the Space Time Continuum by violating Titus Troys Economic Table and Valuation Chart. Geesh. You are probably one of those types who don't buy their clothes at Walmart or live in a tent in the woods. Home Dweller.



*disclaimer: there's nothing wrong with buying clothes at Walmart. Just being silly. Not so big on living in the woods though.

knock it off please

thanks

I would imagine they are taken apart and the good parts are used for repairs..but don't quote me on that.

anyone try a Darbee Darblet DVP 5000 yet with an Elite?

I just bought one to try on my 70...

YES and love it. Added depth and detail to the picture. The better the source the better the effect. I leave mine set on HD most of the time at 50. Going much higher makes the effect start to look over blown. Place after a Lumagen Radiance and it is additive to what the Radiance does. For those interested check the Video Processor thread.

That's funny Mark, I just read the rave review in Widescreen Review and thought I'd give it a try. Let us know how you like it. The review seemed to indicate it added nothing but goodness without any artifacts.

Dave, if you use a receiver as a switcher, I assume the benefits of the Darbee are still retained? IOW, a device set to 'pass-through' will simply pass whatever enhancements the Darbee is providing to the display?

The Darbee is best placed after the AVR or VP so that all sources go thru it. It has only one HDMI input and output.