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post #10501 of 14509
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Originally Posted by gene9p View Post

I don't know why anyone would buy such a noisy looking,artificial looking video enhancer as the Darblet.If the Elite is so great, why bother. This product can only help gamers,maybe. Otherwise save your money it is a gimmick at best.
Anyone here want to buy a bridge?


What basis of expertise forms your profound opinion on this specific product? rolleyes.gif There are a number of reviews from experienced industry professionals that are to the contrary. I bought one to try it out, and I will provide my personal opinion on it's value after trying it- As I'm sure others will do here that have ordered one, and some of those folks are very knowledgeable and not prone to buying gimmicks.

It's impossible to provide an opinion when you actually know nothing about an item and have never used it, nor even bothered to do a bit of online research.
post #10502 of 14509
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Originally Posted by mgp View Post

I went to my local BB and the Magnolia Store price matched a great On-Line price for me. I told them who I wanted price matched with and they called them to get the price. No hassle at all.

That is awesome! Congrats- Did you get the 70 or 60?
post #10503 of 14509
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Originally Posted by gene9p View Post

I don't know why anyone would buy such a noisy looking,artificial looking video enhancer as the Darblet.If the Elite is so great, why bother. This product can only help gamers,maybe. Otherwise save your money it is a gimmick at best.
Anyone here want to buy a bridge?

Unless you have tried it or seen it on someone else's setup, your comment is meaningless. The demo on the Darbee website does a poor job of showing it's capabilities. I have had one for several weeks and it adds significantly to the depth and detail on my 70X5. The better the source material the better the enhanced effect. A real bargain for the price.
post #10504 of 14509
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Originally Posted by dsinger View Post

Unless you have tried it or seen it on someone else's setup, your comment is meaningless. The demo on the Darbee website does a poor job of showing it's capabilities. I have had one for several weeks and it adds significantly to the depth and detail on my 70X5. The better the source material the better the enhanced effect. A real bargain for the price.

DSINGER,
Can you share what settings you ended up using on the Darblet to get the positive effects you're referring to? And also what settings/modes you're using on your 70X5?
Thanks,
Clam
Edited by Jim Clamage - 8/9/12 at 9:19am
post #10505 of 14509
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Originally Posted by mgp View Post

I went to my local BB and the Magnolia Store price matched a great On-Line price for me. I told them who I wanted price matched with and they called them to get the price. No hassle at all.

I'm really surprised they did this. Our Best Buy here will only price match brick and mortar stores and they have to be within the city limits.
post #10506 of 14509
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Originally Posted by kdog750 View Post

I'm really surprised they did this. Our Best Buy here will only price match brick and mortar stores and they have to be within the city limits.

Same here.
post #10507 of 14509
FYI to anyone interested in ordering a Darblet. solidsignal.com has them in stock and they are the newer firmware units that will pass YCbCr 422, and not the “1st gen” model that converts this type of received colorspace to RGB. Thier customer service confirmed this for me before processing my order.

I ordered one this morning and it is already in the mail biggrin.gif
post #10508 of 14509
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Originally Posted by kdog750 View Post

I'm really surprised they did this. Our Best Buy here will only price match brick and mortar stores and they have to be within the city limits.

Yep that is their typical policy- looks like someone got lucky and caught the right manager on the right day biggrin.gif
post #10509 of 14509
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Originally Posted by k_lewis View Post

No PM required- Go to Magnolia or (preferably) your hardworking local AV dealer for pricing. There will not be any variance, all Elite TVs must be sold for no less than what Elite says they should sell for.
Actually this information is not correct. The Elites are not price fixed like the Samsung's or Sony's.
post #10510 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

Actually this information is not correct. The Elites are not price fixed like the Samsung's or Sony's.

Thanks CP. I based my comment on what I was told by an Elite rep for my area back when I ordered my 70. Specifically, Elite dealers cannot advertise and/or sell Elite sets below a specific manufacturer-set price point or risk losing their license to sell Elite/Pioneer products. Apparently that has changed? If so, that may be good news for deal hunters. Are you an authorized Elite dealer? I'm asking because I see Sharp sets on your site but no Elite. Of course this may be due to Elite's policy on no internet advertisement.
post #10511 of 14509
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Originally Posted by kdog750 View Post

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Originally Posted by mgp View Post

I went to my local BB and the Magnolia Store price matched a great On-Line price for me. I told them who I wanted price matched with and they called them to get the price. No hassle at all.

I'm really surprised they did this. Our Best Buy here will only price match brick and mortar stores and they have to be within the city limits.

BestBuy was in the news in July (IIRC it was on CNN) about changing their price matching policy to include discount online retailers. A BB spokesman explained the reasoning behind it was that people were essentially using BestBuy as a showroom but then buyers ultimately went online to make their purchase due to price, so BestBuy began recognizing that this was losing them a lot and that the current policy isn't sustainable. My only guess as to why only some BBs have begun following this policy is perhaps due to it still being new and that it hasn't been properly communicated to all the stores.
post #10512 of 14509
BB's published price matching policy requires that the item be in stock and available for pickup or delivery from a competing BM location within the BB store's normal trading area. A manager can override this, and the higher that particular manager is on the food-chain in the store you're shopping the more discretion they will have in this respect. There are several layers of management.

Lower level types can and do get fired for big pricematches in violation of published policy, while the overall store honcho can usually do anything he/she wants with virtual impunity, as long as they don't do it too often.
post #10513 of 14509
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Originally Posted by k_lewis View Post

Thanks CP. I based my comment on what I was told by an Elite rep for my area back when I ordered my 70. Specifically, Elite dealers cannot advertise and/or sell Elite sets below a specific manufacturer-set price point or risk losing their license to sell Elite/Pioneer products. Apparently that has changed? If so, that may be good news for deal hunters. Are you an authorized Elite dealer? I'm asking because I see Sharp sets on your site but no Elite. Of course this may be due to Elite's policy on no internet advertisement.
It is true it can cannot be "advertised" below a certain price, however it can be sold at any price. Just probably a little confusion there.

We have a separate "Elite" section on our web site.
post #10514 of 14509
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Originally Posted by ATC7 View Post

BestBuy was in the news in July (IIRC it was on CNN) about changing their price matching policy to include discount online retailers. A BB spokesman explained the reasoning behind it was that people were essentially using BestBuy as a showroom but then buyers ultimately went online to make their purchase due to price, so BestBuy began recognizing that this was losing them a lot and that the current policy isn't sustainable. My only guess as to why only some BBs have begun following this policy is perhaps due to it still being new and that it hasn't been properly communicated to all the stores.

-And this is a *good* policy for the store's health and longevity, but may be a case of 'too little too late', especially if all stores cannot agree to a set policy. The theme of consumers using BB as a 'demo showroom' and buying for less online will continue. Online purchasing is the next evolutionary step of retail to the consumer. (See Amazon vs Best Buy: http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/amazon_vs_best_buy_a_tale_of_two_retailers.php)

I don't expect BB to be around in the future, unfortunately, unless they can swing it to where they are always price competitive (without having to resort to price matching), yet still retain enough profit margin to cover the enormous cost overhead of a giant brick-and-mortar company. I do like BB stores so I hope for the best and hope they do not end up like Circuit City.

If you read the published Forbes article from two days ago, the founder is doing everything possible to make it work. Taking the company private will save an enormous amount of costs, and I hope the next follow up is "trimming the fat" (bloated exec salaries and associated needless corp expenses). http://www.forbes.com/sites/abrambrown/2012/08/06/best-buy-founder-reportedly-makes-official-offer-to-buy-company/
post #10515 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

It is true it can cannot be "advertised" below a certain price, however it can be sold at any price. Just probably a little confusion there.
We have a separate "Elite" section on our web site.

Roger that- I will certainly defer to your expertise since this is your actual line of business. Thanks for clarifying as it will undoubtedly be helpful to those reading this thread. I did find your Elite link so I'll give a bit of a "bump" for your site: https://clevelandplasma.com/store/sharp_elite

BTW thanks for being a forum sponsor and lending your expertise, this thread has helped a lot of folks and played an important part in my initial purchase desicion.
post #10516 of 14509
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Originally Posted by k_lewis View Post

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Originally Posted by ATC7 View Post

BestBuy was in the news in July (IIRC it was on CNN) about changing their price matching policy to include discount online retailers. A BB spokesman explained the reasoning behind it was that people were essentially using BestBuy as a showroom but then buyers ultimately went online to make their purchase due to price, so BestBuy began recognizing that this was losing them a lot and that the current policy isn't sustainable. My only guess as to why only some BBs have begun following this policy is perhaps due to it still being new and that it hasn't been properly communicated to all the stores.

-And this is a *good* policy for the store's health and longevity, but may be a case of 'too little too late', especially if all stores cannot agree to a set policy. The theme of consumers using BB as a 'demo showroom' and buying for less online will continue. Online purchasing is the next evolutionary step of retail to the consumer. (See Amazon vs Best Buy: http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/amazon_vs_best_buy_a_tale_of_two_retailers.php)

I don't expect BB to be around in the future, unfortunately, unless they can swing it to where they are always price competitive (without having to resort to price matching), yet still retain enough profit margin to cover the enormous cost overhead of a giant brick-and-mortar company. I do like BB stores so I hope for the best and hope they do not end up like Circuit City.

If you read the published Forbes article from two days ago, the founder is doing everything possible to make it work. Taking the company private will save an enormous amount of costs, and I hope the next follow up is "trimming the fat" (bloated exec salaries and associated needless corp expenses). http://www.forbes.com/sites/abrambrown/2012/08/06/best-buy-founder-reportedly-makes-official-offer-to-buy-company/

Good links and interesting reads. I think BB might survive if they do the right thing and start making their prices competitive while managing internal costs. While online sales are booming, there is still a good chunk of the population that much prefers to buy from a physical store, dealing with someone face to face and it's especially true when it's a large item like appliances, TVs etc... where if there are any post-sale issues it's much easier to deal with afterwards than an online store. From BB's perspective, they think (rightly or wrongly) that the only hurdle people have from finalizing their purchase at BB is price so in their minds this new price matching policy is supposed to be a saviour of sorts for them. Only time will tell if it'll work, or wether it's too little too late but I also hope they survive. I do like to see things in person before buying.
post #10517 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Jim Clamage View Post

DSINGER,
Can you share what settings you ended up using on the Darblet to get the positive effects you're referring to? And also what settings/modes you're using on your 70X5?
Thanks,
Clam

I generally use the HD setting at 50-55. It's best to experiment and find what you like best.
post #10518 of 14509
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Originally Posted by dsinger View Post

I generally use the HD setting at 50-55. It's best to experiment and find what you like best.

Thanks, I ordered a Darblet this afternoon.. And what settings/modes are you using on your 70X5?
post #10519 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Jim Clamage View Post

Thanks, I ordered a Darblet this afternoon.. And what settings/modes are you using on your 70X5?

No changes from what they were before the Darbee arrived.
post #10520 of 14509
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Originally Posted by dsinger View Post

Unless you have tried it or seen it on someone else's setup, your comment is meaningless. The demo on the Darbee website does a poor job of showing it's capabilities. I have had one for several weeks and it adds significantly to the depth and detail on my 70X5. The better the source material the better the enhanced effect. A real bargain for the price.

any photos?..................................with it and without it
post #10521 of 14509
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Originally Posted by k_lewis View Post

What basis of expertise forms your profound opinion on this specific product? rolleyes.gif There are a number of reviews from experienced industry professionals that are to the contrary. I bought one to try it out, and I will provide my personal opinion on it's value after trying it- As I'm sure others will do here that have ordered one, and some of those folks are very knowledgeable and not prone to buying gimmicks.
It's impossible to provide an opinion when you actually know nothing about an item and have never used it, nor even bothered to do a bit of online research.

+1
post #10522 of 14509
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Originally Posted by k_lewis View Post

I ordered a Darblet from solidsignal.com (Michigan) - in stock. free ship. I initially went to AVScience (NYC) but they try to charge you sales tax even though you are out of state (I am in California). I hate that.
Will post my results. Thanks Ken for bringing this device to my attention in the forum.

It seems to be getting really great feedback from buyers. Over at HTS the comments are not quite so positive as they tend to feel the device is 'messing' with the signal. My attitude is that regardless of the display, if it gives you a better looking picture, then go for it. As always, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. I'm sure that some purists will not go for it, but even some purists at HTS admitted that it did make the picture pop more on some sources.
post #10523 of 14509
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Originally Posted by k_lewis View Post

Agreed- I digressed. apologies. I can understand plasma talk when someone is dropping by here thinking about buying an Elite and asking comparative questions. I can undertand Elite owners bumping heads on tech details compating xxx plasma to Elite (or other) lcd. That fits. But, why on earth some folks who don't even own an Elite, let alone a current model of any display, hang out here and act like opinionated experts. beyond me.. rolleyes.gif
Because when objectivity is severely lacking it is necessary for prospective owners to be well informed to make a proper decision. To say that there is "virtually" no difference at 30 degrees, well... not objective.

I don't own an Elite anymore, does that mean I am not allowed to post?
post #10524 of 14509
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Originally Posted by k_lewis View Post

That is awesome! Congrats- Did you get the 70 or 60?

I got the 70.smile.gif
post #10525 of 14509
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Originally Posted by gene9p View Post

any photos?..................................with it and without it

No but you will find many examples in the Darbee thread in the video processor section.
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thanks.............................
post #10527 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Fanaticalism View Post

Because when objectivity is severely lacking it is necessary for prospective owners to be well informed to make a proper decision. To say that there is "virtually" no difference at 30 degrees, well... not objective.
I don't own an Elite anymore, does that mean I am not allowed to post?

You're purposefully being rediculous and your alluding to lack of objectivity makes no sense whatsoever. You owned an Elite so of course you would have a reasonably experienced opinion. You are allowed to post anywhere you want since this is a public forum. I'm not sure why you would want to continue to hang out in an owners thread for a TV you no longer own, buy hey that is indeed your perogative. Some opinions posted you are referring to are not from prospective buyers, they are from someone who flat out decided against owning an Elite, will never own an Elite, and has no more experience with one than probably a few glances at a retail store. And on top of that, wants to speak for everyone else (the "we" factor).

I am not making any sort of general, all-encompassing statement there is 'virtually no difference' at 30 degrees. Is there a difference? Yes, as I have also already stated (again, read all posts before responding). If you *take the time to read what I wrote* and stop inventing your own words just to be argumentative, you will see that I am only speaking for myself and my observation on displays that I owned. To me there was virtually little difference noticed between my Kuro Elite and my Sharp Elite, give the way I took a look at it. Having to support excellent picture at extreme viewing angles is not of concern to me because I fortunately was able to design my room around my AV system and do not have any seating outside of 20 degrees (or so). I have some rather poor seating angles in another room of the house, which is why that room only has an inexpensive Samsung.

Extreme viewing angle may be a huge, massive, hair-bending deal to someone else, and if that is the case, they should buy the brand and technology of display that looks good to them. Eveyone perceives things differently.
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Originally Posted by mgp View Post

I got the 70.smile.gif

Awesome- Hope you are enjoying it!
post #10529 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

It seems to be getting really great feedback from buyers. Over at HTS the comments are not quite so positive as they tend to feel the device is 'messing' with the signal. My attitude is that regardless of the display, if it gives you a better looking picture, then go for it. As always, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. I'm sure that some purists will not go for it, but even some purists at HTS admitted that it did make the picture pop more on some sources.

Yep I guess I could understand both sides of the argument. I'm buying it primarily to help with DirecTV and Netflix content. I am already feeling extremely spoiled by the PQ of BD discs played on the Oppo95 through the Elite. I would fall over if the BD picture got any better, so I'm really looking forward to seeing if the Darblet adds to it. If it only improves DirecTV / Netflix, I'm a happy camper.
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Are there really that many advantages of an Oppo over a PS3 for blu ray? I never was a fan of having a game machine as a player but it is supposed to be one of the best.
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