Official Sharp Elite PRO-70X5 and 60X5 Owners Thread - Page 352

It seems to be getting really great feedback from buyers. Over at HTS the comments are not quite so positive as they tend to feel the device is 'messing' with the signal. My attitude is that regardless of the display, if it gives you a better looking picture, then go for it. As always, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. I'm sure that some purists will not go for it, but even some purists at HTS admitted that it did make the picture pop more on some sources.

Because when objectivity is severely lacking it is necessary for prospective owners to be well informed to make a proper decision. To say that there is "virtually" no difference at 30 degrees, well... not objective.

I don't own an Elite anymore, does that mean I am not allowed to post?

I got the 70.

No but you will find many examples in the Darbee thread in the video processor section.

thanks.............................

You're purposefully being rediculous and your alluding to lack of objectivity makes no sense whatsoever. You owned an Elite so of course you would have a reasonably experienced opinion. You are allowed to post anywhere you want since this is a public forum. I'm not sure why you would want to continue to hang out in an owners thread for a TV you no longer own, buy hey that is indeed your perogative. Some opinions posted you are referring to are not from prospective buyers, they are from someone who flat out decided against owning an Elite, will never own an Elite, and has no more experience with one than probably a few glances at a retail store. And on top of that, wants to speak for everyone else (the "we" factor).

I am not making any sort of general, all-encompassing statement there is 'virtually no difference' at 30 degrees. Is there a difference? Yes, as I have also already stated (again, read all posts before responding). If you *take the time to read what I wrote* and stop inventing your own words just to be argumentative, you will see that I am only speaking for myself and my observation on displays that I owned. To me there was virtually little difference noticed between my Kuro Elite and my Sharp Elite, give the way I took a look at it. Having to support excellent picture at extreme viewing angles is not of concern to me because I fortunately was able to design my room around my AV system and do not have any seating outside of 20 degrees (or so). I have some rather poor seating angles in another room of the house, which is why that room only has an inexpensive Samsung.

Extreme viewing angle may be a huge, massive, hair-bending deal to someone else, and if that is the case, they should buy the brand and technology of display that looks good to them. Eveyone perceives things differently.

Awesome- Hope you are enjoying it!

Yep I guess I could understand both sides of the argument. I'm buying it primarily to help with DirecTV and Netflix content. I am already feeling extremely spoiled by the PQ of BD discs played on the Oppo95 through the Elite. I would fall over if the BD picture got any better, so I'm really looking forward to seeing if the Darblet adds to it. If it only improves DirecTV / Netflix, I'm a happy camper.

Are there really that many advantages of an Oppo over a PS3 for blu ray? I never was a fan of having a game machine as a player but it is supposed to be one of the best.

I believe the Oppo has superior upscaling for DVDs, though I am not sure since I do not own one.

All Blu Ray players produce the same HD quality from a BD disc. There is simply no difference and test after test points that out. However players like the Oppo (some Oppo models) do offer better audio quality and offer better SD upscaling than many cheaper players. The difference for most people might be in something like the build quality. The current issue of Home Theater (I believe) tested the new $250 Sony BD player and found that it did everything superbly and as well as anything on the market. They did however state the build quality (basically weight) was better on players like the Oppo.

To some people that makes no difference at all. To others it's a 'pride' thing. But regardless, they all produce the same HD picture quality.

It doesn't take an owner to know about the strengths and weaknesses of a sets off angle viewing. A simple trip to the AV store and one can pick up on it rather quickly. The Sharp Elite has a great picture, but it does lose it's zing as you go off angle, Your downplaying of the effect isn't doing a prospective buyer any service by doing so. Sharp definitely did it right by using the name Elite as reading through this thread some of you have taken it to a new level and become elitists. Shame on you for trying to dissuade posters from participating in this thread. If the mods have an issue with non owners participating they will take care of it.

I'd only add that some people find the PS3's fan noisy, but I should clarify that I personally haven't "heard" a slim or more updated PS3 models, which may or may not have the same level of noise.

- JD

Fwiw I love the PS3 mostly because at its heart is a tremendously powerful computing platform that Sony does a great job of continually updating. They recently added the Amazon Streaming/Prime app for example, on top of Vudu, Hulu+ and of course Netflix.

I know more mfrs are starting to do this more frequently on more BR player models, and many models now come with all of these out of the box. But the fact that the PS3 is many years old and still at the top of the heap in terms of apps is pretty remarkable.

I'm not dissuading anyone nor even posting to a prospective buyer. Where did you get that from? This is an excellent forum for prospective buyers to find information and ask questions. I simply stated it is odd that someone not interested in owning an Elite (purposefully buying another brand), wants to not only provide information on the Elite product but wants to speak for everyone else who is actually an owner. I've also stated more than once this is a public forum and anyone can post anything, anytime. But that does not mean I competely understand someone's logic for doing so, other than perhaps just being purposefully argumentative. Why even call it an "official owners" thread if no one wants to stay OT or even respects that as a courtesy?

My opinion and observations with something I own is not downplaying anything, and I do not speak for anyone else's experiences. I've stated more than once that everyone perceives these things differently, and if angle is of concern one should go with the set that looks best to them. I mean, my god, don't any of you bother to read all posts first or do you just enjoy picking words out and twisting them to suit your purely argumentative agenda? You've taken off topic to a whole new level. Please stop and get back on track.

At the risk of bringing up a seemingly dormant topic, I was on the phone with Sharp today to get my IR sensor replaced and I asked whether they are still working on a firmware fix for the cyan/color tracking. The rep claims they are still working on a firmware upgrade to address the issue. We shall see.

I wholeheartedly agree. The only added benefit I get from my Oppo95 is it's use as a very good sounding audio player for 2ch and network streaming of my music library. I had a PS3 and got rid of it due to noisy fan, but the BD picture was just as good as the Oppo.

As an OPPO owner for several years, I can add that if you should need customer service, they provide the very best that I've ever encountered. If I provided anecdotal evidence, those who don't already own an OPPO would think I was exaggerating.

As for BD playback, unless the manufacturer of another brand introduces errors in how the read the BD disk, there can't be any difference between players. Of course, the current OPPO players are Universal Players and can handle a very wide range of audio formats. I'm not into streaming Netflix, but anyone who is would probably be happier with a PS3 if the fan noise isn't a problem.
Edited by htwaits - 8/10/12 at 11:48am

Hi all, new to this thread and only quickly read the first and last page for now. I am seriously considering the 60X5 (70X5 i wish), and hope you will help with the decision by answering a question or two in the near future.

I understand hd is hd, and am by no means disputing anything said (just using as a lead in). I would like to try and help with my personal experience using the PS3 and OPPO. I don't own the 95 (would be nice), but do own the 93, and previous owner of the 83. My experience with blu-ray on the PS3, is the picture was excellent with very deep rich colors, although had softer edges than I like. If not for that one specific preference I have (sharp images), I might have stayed with just the PS3. I went through a couple of blu-ray players (samsung, sony) before I heard about the OPPO. Hearing all the hoopla and accolades it got, I had to give it a shot. Watching a blu-ray on that, for me, was different than on the PS3, much sharper image but also didn't seem as vivid and deeply colored as the PS3. imho. Not that you can't tweak the OPPO however you like, just OOTB comparison of the two for me. Subjective I guess. Love the OPPO, it can however on some BD's take a while to read and or start playing (my experience).

I will read some more posts before I post specific questions, in case you answered them already.

Regards.

Not to be a pessimist, but I suspect that's their typical "book" response.

On another note, I'm so spoiled with the image quality of my 70 that I have very little desire to watch movies on my Samsung LNA52650 anymore in my bedroom. I used to turn it on regularly but now it gets maybe 2 days of usage each week.

Your interest would be better served in the OPPO BDP-93 owner's thread. You will be "on topic" there, and you will find a large number of very knowledgeable owners. They can help you discover why you're seeing a difference between the PS3 and the 93.

Didn't mean to confuse the subject, my original intent was to provide another source of info for kdog750 in regards to his question between the two systems. The difference between them was just my subjective opinion, and is of no concern to me, as I use the ps3 for gaming and oppo for movies, due to my preference of sharper images.

I came to this thread to gather info about the elite. Thanks for the help though.

BRACE YOURSELF! The better the source the better the enhancement. Try the BDs you think have the best PQ.
Edited by dsinger - 8/10/12 at 1:31pm

Why would the OPPO give sharper images? Does it process the BD stream by addening a sharpen filter or something?

there are lot more settings and adjustments in higher end players like the Oppo than the basic blu rau player.To say all players playback identical just isn't true but I expect a thrashing again for saying that.Right Ken?

Who said I wasn't interested in owning Elite? Now you are speaking FOR ME.

I wasn't trying to be argumentative; In fact, my post was on-topic, objective, and based on personal observations. I only wanted to make sure the OP did not walk away thinking that the viewing angle would be nearly as good as a Kuro. You stated your observation and I disagreed with it.
Edited by jbrady3324 - 8/10/12 at 2:59pm

Technically speaking I don't have that info, if indeed it does give a sharper image (my opinion). I was expressing that out of the box without adjusting any settings, a blu-ray didn't look as sharp in the ps3 as it did in the oppo, although the ps3s picture was richer with deeper colors. That is just what I saw, nothing else. I watch a lot of movies bd, dvd, and I am very discerning when it comes to picture quality. As I mentioned before, I have a preference for sharper images

As far as hardware goes, it may have somethnig to do with the video processing, and or upscalling chip they use. Possibly along with other hardware differences could in my opinion portray a slightly different picture.

I found some settings to use until I get the set calibrated:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1358702/official-sharp-elite-pro-70x5-and-60x5-owners-thread/9090#post_22088613

I used all of N3W813's settings except the 10 Point:

[10 Point Setting On]
10 R/G/B 0 0 0
20 R/G/B +9 +3 +2
30 R/G/B +7 0 -21
40 R/G/B +5 -1 -18
50 R/G/B +7 0 -18
60 R/G/B +5 0 -16
70 R/G/B +5 0 -16
80 R/G/B +1 0 -15
90 R/G/B +6 0 -19
100 R/G/B 0 0 -18

The visuals above didn't match what I saw on the screen, so I was afraid make changes.


Picture looks AWESOME!

Thank you Chris from Cleveland Plasma, you were a pleasure to work with, and you really worked with on getting a great deal too!
Edited by 760rapta - 8/10/12 at 7:25pm

No thrashing, just a simple correction to what you said. Yes, some pricier BD players have more adjustments. However purists will generally leave everything at default anyway, so for many, those extra adjustments are irrelevant.

I've never moved any BD player's controls from default. Comparing a bunch of BD players set to default will yield identical pictures. This has been proved over and over and over. If one player is putting out a sharper or softer picture, it merely means the manufacturer already adjusted their default position to something other than 'true default'.

Again, all BD players put out identical pictures and any deviation simply means the manufacturer decided to alter the signal coming off the disc.

Over the years as a member of AVS I have read quite a few posts where BB was slammed for one reason or another. I thought I would share my
recent experience with BB of Hurst Texas.

On Sunday 22 July I went into the above mentioned store to have my wife look at the 65 inch 8000 series Samsung. We had previously looked at the
70 inch Elite and a few other TV's. After looking at the Samsung and comparing it to the Elite she proclaimed that if we were going to buy, we would get the Elite. I asked the Magnolia sales person if he would price match an on-line retailer.

He asked me the name of the store and then went to call and talk to his manager. He came back and said the manager gave the go-ahead on the
price match and that I would be getting triple reward points if I bought that day. The wife and I decided it was a great deal and pulled the
trigger.

The following week I went in to find out why my purchase was not showing up in the Reward Zone website. The manager said to give it another week
and if it still was not there they would fix it at the store. 3 days ago my purchase showed up, but it was not showing triple points.

I went back to the store today to find out why. After looking at the paperwork and conferring with the General Manager, the Magnolia Manager
told me that my sale had rang up at 6:37pm and the triple points did not start until 7:30pm( I had done some research before leaving the House
and knew this to be true. ) He said there was no way to give me the triple points.

Then he went on to say that they were going to give a refund of $280.00 plus tax ($303) on my TV purchase. That was the value of the points I would not
be getting.

Needless to say, I left BB with a very positive impression. They had made a mistake and had made it right.