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post #10621 of 14509
Will a mount that fit my Kuro 6020 fit an Elite 70"?
post #10622 of 14509
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Originally Posted by wingnut4772 View Post

Will a mount that fit my Kuro 6020 fit an Elite 70"?
I have the mount that came after the Sanus XF228 and my Elite worked fine, I had a Pro-151
post #10623 of 14509
Long time forum reader here trying to decide between the Sony xbr55 hx929 and the 60 inch Elite. I was able to get a local Magnolia theater to come down in price on the Elite 60 to within less than $1,500.00 of the Sony xbr's current price.So I was hoping that those of you that have had the 60 Elite and upgraded to the 70 Elite could tell me if you really do have improved black levels with the 70 Elite as compared to the 60 Elite because the 70 Elite has from what I've read more dimming zones.
post #10624 of 14509
Is it reasonable to expect excellent white uniformity on a Sharp Elite? Excellent black uniformity? What are the odds for stuck or dead pixels? Your wisdom on this will be greatly appreciated.

I just replaced my Samsung UN55B8500 with the 60” Sharp Elite. The superior local dimming in the Elite is instantly apparent – blooming is almost never apparent, and the black uniformity across the whole screen is excellent. However, uniformity of whites (or even grays) is clearly inferior to that of my old Samsung.

Although very subtle and only evident on several limited areas of the screen, there’s a “window pattern” that becomes apparent on any evenly lit, homogenous color. Unfortunately, the areas with this problem are all in the top half of the screen, so it shows up frequently in skies. What I’m seeing is a bright grid of perpendicular lines framing slightly dimmer squares, each about the size of a large postage stamp. The architectural geometry of this pattern grabs the eye, making it difficult to ignore once detected. (I’ve wondered if it's related to the layout of the LED backlights.)

There are also two narrow bands that, on any image of uniform color and intensity, are noticeably brighter than the surrounding screen. (The color temperature actually seems altered on these bands.) One of these runs across the whole screen horizontally, almost dead center. The other runs vertically, just to the right of center. These become apparent when pans or tilts move across uniform, evenly lit surfaces.

As far as I can tell, the panel also has 3 dead pixels (or sub-pixel elements), and one stuck pixel. I'm able to ignore these as all are off center. Is this common to this product?

I’ve got just one day left within my 30 day return or exchange window, and am considering both. I don’t see either of these artifacts on the display model at the store. However, the display model has noticeably lighter blacks than mine (even when I adjust it to match my settings).
We all like perfection, but every technology demands some compromise. What’s been your experience? Does your set deliver deep and uniform blacks? (Someone commented that they went from a 70 to a 60 and were disappointed with the blacks on their smaller set.) How is panel uniformity on bright screens? Does anyone else see this “window pattern”? Please let me know. I’d like to make an informed decision before I gamble on an exchange.
Thank you!
post #10625 of 14509
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

I think you may have misunderstood the suggestion that LaoChe made. The Pioneer 6020 non-Elite Kuro display can be unlocked by swapping one of it's boards. The 6020's performance and calibration potential would then match the Pioneer 151 which is known in Pioneer circles as the 9G Elite Kuro. wink.gif

Yup. Apologies to LaoChe, I did not realize that was his meaning. smile.gif

But I will say going from a 60" Pioneer Elite to a 60" Sharp Elite was worthwhile for me.
post #10626 of 14509
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Originally Posted by wingnut4772 View Post

A local store is doing 24 months no interest financing. Tempting...

Have you tried looking into BBY? They typically offer 36 months no financing and you get RZ points. The one purchase will also instantly make you a premier silver member with some added benefits.
post #10627 of 14509
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post #10628 of 14509
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Originally Posted by mdrums View Post

Your photo's of screen shots are amazing! thanks! What camera/lens and processing do you use?

Canon EOS 60D w/ 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS UD Standard Zoom Lens. All images were taken in (RAW) format using multiple exposures and a tripod.
post #10629 of 14509
Nice shots as usual Rad!
post #10630 of 14509
Sounds like a handshake problem. I'd exchange the set.
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Nice shots as usual Rad!

Thanks my friend, I'm glad you enjoy them. wink.gif
post #10633 of 14509
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Originally Posted by recoil1 View Post

Long time forum reader here trying to decide between the Sony xbr55 hx929 and the 60 inch Elite. I was able to get a local Magnolia theater to come down in price on the Elite 60 to within less than $1,500.00 of the Sony xbr's current price.So I was hoping that those of you that have had the 60 Elite and upgraded to the 70 Elite could tell me if you really do have improved black levels with the 70 Elite as compared to the 60 Elite because the 70 Elite has from what I've read more dimming zones.

Go back to Magnolia and ask them to play the Elite Blu Ray on both the 929 and the Elite. The amount of blooming on the 929 is awful. As are the black levels (at least compared with the Elite). For that price difference you should absolutely get the Elite.
post #10634 of 14509
Is there anyway to enable the Film Mode or 120 HZ while watching 3D? If not, I'm a little disappointed by that. I'm sure I'll get flamed for saying this but I actually enjoy the video like image or SOE that it gives to the picture.
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post #10636 of 14509
Whether 3D is a gimmick or not I must sat that I am really enjoying it on the Elite. My parents, girlfreind an I sat down to watch Knug Fu Panda 2 in 3D last night and we all agreed that it was a breath taking experience. The depth, color and dynamic range of the picture was stunning along the motion and even the soundtrack. Add in a good story and plot and you have a great all around 3D experience.
post #10637 of 14509
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Originally Posted by RadTech51 View Post

Images of the day.
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All Images were taken in RAW format, ISF-Night picture mode.

I'm going to chime in to say I've really enjoyed the pics you've posted. That top pic has EXCELLENT shadow detail along with the Elite's phenomenal black levels.

I have owned the Pioneer Pro-151 for several years and my interest in this thread mirrors that of htwaits and others who are looking for an alternative in case "our Elite" (or, in some cases, the non-Elite KURO) meets its demise. Most of what I've read on this thread sounds promising and I can't wait to view this for myself in a local Magnolia store that is opening soon in our area.

Of course I do share the concern raised by D-Nice (who I respect very much) over the Cyan issue, but I'm not convinced that I would avoid the Elite based on that issue alone. I'm more concerned about the limited viewing angle since I have a couple of "wing chairs" in my dedicated Home Theater. Having said that, if Sharp ever releases an 80" Elite that *might* eliminate that problem.

Keep the pics coming!
post #10638 of 14509
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Originally Posted by djoberg View Post

Of course I do share the concern raised by D-Nice (who I respect very much) over the Cyan issue, but I'm not convinced that I would avoid the Elite based on that issue alone.

I cannot believe that people are still talking about this non-issue as if it's meaningful. I bet Ken wishes he could go back in time and stop himself from ever posting his questionable observations about the back wall on the Today Show! I watch a lot of sci-fi, and before I sold my other two TVs, I tried them side-by-side with the 70" Elite and there was no question that the Elite was worlds better. And the cyan-ish colors in Tron, Transformers, Avatar, etc. all looked exactly the same (probably because all three TVs were calibrated by the same person).

I think it's time to let this fabricated issue die a peaceful death.
post #10639 of 14509
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Originally Posted by ERosenbrg View Post

I cannot believe that people are still talking about this non-issue as if it's meaningful. I bet Ken wishes he could go back in time and stop himself from ever posting his questionable observations about the back wall on the Today Show! I watch a lot of sci-fi, and before I sold my other two TVs, I tried them side-by-side with the 70" Elite and there was no question that the Elite was worlds better. And the cyan-ish colors in Tron, Transformers, Avatar, etc. all looked exactly the same (probably because all three TVs were calibrated by the same person).
I think it's time to let this fabricated issue die a peaceful death.

I often marvel when one responds to a post as you did. Didn't I say that this issue would probably not prevent me from avoiding the Elite, but that my main issue would be the off-axis viewing? And yet you make it sound as if my main object in writing the post was to "still talk about this non-issue as if it's meaningful." Again,, my MAIN reason for responding was to praise our fellow-member for the excellent still shots he has been posting for us and to tell him I was looking forward to seeing the Elite "up close and personal" once the new Magnolia opens in our area.
post #10640 of 14509
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Originally Posted by djoberg View Post

I often marvel when one responds to a post as you did.
I often marvel that this is the most sensitive thread that I've ever read at AVS. I read your post just as you intended it to be read.
post #10641 of 14509
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

I often marvel that this is the most sensitive thread that I've ever read at AVS. I read your post just as you intended it to be read.

I just started reading this thread about a week ago. I've spent quite a few hours perusing its 350+ pages and you are most definitely right about it being a "sensitive thread."

BTW, it's been good reading posts from you Les. I still frequent the KURO threads at times and I see your posts there too. Do you recall the days when we used to post often on the Samsung DLP thread? I still remember reading of the time you purchased your KURO; it was your passion for that display that led me to a showroom to "check it out" and then when Pioneer withdrew from the plasma market I seized the opportunity to buy the Pro-151 for *only* $4200. I've never regretted that purchase but I am starting to get the itch to have a bigger set now that I have a dedicated theater room in our new home. The Elite 70 *may* just be the one, but I'm thinking of holding out for an 80" (if Sharp delivers on that size, that is).
post #10642 of 14509
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Originally Posted by djoberg View Post

BTW, it's been good reading posts from you Les. I still frequent the KURO threads at times and I see your posts there too. Do you recall the days when we used to post often on the Samsung DLP thread?
The DLP days were a lot of fun. The viewing angles were among the worst. eek.gif

When someone wanted to take a look at this new HD stuff, I used to make them sit down, and then I would make them move to the seat right in front of the display.

Enjoy. tongue.gif
post #10643 of 14509
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Originally Posted by ERosenbrg View Post

I cannot believe that people are still talking about this non-issue as if it's meaningful. I bet Ken wishes he could go back in time and stop himself from ever posting his questionable observations about the back wall on the Today Show! I watch a lot of sci-fi, and before I sold my other two TVs, I tried them side-by-side with the 70" Elite and there was no question that the Elite was worlds better. And the cyan-ish colors in Tron, Transformers, Avatar, etc. all looked exactly the same (probably because all three TVs were calibrated by the same person).
I think it's time to let this fabricated issue die a peaceful death.

I sure do. Had Ken Ross never said anything in the first place, NO ONE would have had any clue about it, ever (I blame you Ken)!

And while djoberg kind of minimized it in his list of complaints, just even mentioning this nonissue at this point is essentially throwing stones. Everyone knows there's an insignificant anomaly detectable only with instruments, & everyone knows it is undetectable by all but the most advanced videophiles- and even they remain overwhelmingly & unanimously satisfied with the Elite.
post #10644 of 14509
Home Theatre's review of the new Darbee Darblet:

http://www.hometheater.com/content/darbee-visual-presence-darblet-video-enhancer

Can any owners confirm what if any additional benifits that this has added to their overall PQ of their sets?
post #10645 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Chere View Post

Home Theatre's review of the new Darbee Darblet:
http://www.hometheater.com/content/darbee-visual-presence-darblet-video-enhancer
Can any owners confirm what if any additional benifits that this has added to their overall PQ of their sets?

If you go to the video processor section and check the Darbee thread, I think you will find that the vast majority of owners will agree with Kris's review. I have a first release firmware version on a 70X5 that has the RGB out issue and don't want to send it back for update because I would now feel deprived of PQ without it.
post #10646 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Leon! View Post

I sure do. Had Ken Ross never said anything in the first place, NO ONE would have had any clue about it, ever (I blame you Ken)!
And while djoberg kind of minimized it in his list of complaints, just even mentioning this nonissue at this point is essentially throwing stones. Everyone knows there's an insignificant anomaly detectable only with instruments, & everyone knows it is undetectable by all but the most advanced videophiles- and even they remain overwhelmingly & unanimously satisfied with the Elite.

You guys are right Leon and I plead guilty. If I knew the unbelievable amount of time that would be wasted and the raw meat it provided for the detractors and compared that to how minor an issue this turned out to be, I would have kept those lousy Today Show glass blocks to myself!

In the future I'll think twice...no, 3 times. wink.gif

BTW, I too am really liking the Darblett.
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Edited by RadTech51 - 8/25/12 at 5:05pm
post #10648 of 14509
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Originally Posted by ERosenbrg View Post

I cannot believe that people are still talking about this non-issue as if it's meaningful. I bet Ken wishes he could go back in time and stop himself from ever posting his questionable observations about the back wall on the Today Show! I watch a lot of sci-fi, and before I sold my other two TVs, I tried them side-by-side with the 70" Elite and there was no question that the Elite was worlds better. And the cyan-ish colors in Tron, Transformers, Avatar, etc. all looked exactly the same (probably because all three TVs were calibrated by the same person).
I think it's time to let this fabricated issue die a peaceful death.

It's an issue none the less and whether you put much weight to it is a matter of personal choice. Ken may have first brought it up, but the calibrators found the issue as well so it would have been discovered and likely other viewers in time might have brought it up as well as the set became more common.You calling it a fabrication is akin to sweeping the dirt under the rug and calling the room clean. smile.gif
post #10649 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Leon! View Post

And while djoberg kind of minimized it in his list of complaints, just even mentioning this nonissue at this point is essentially throwing stones.

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Originally Posted by HTguru3 View Post

It's an issue none the less and whether you put much weight to it is a matter of personal choice. Ken may have first brought it up, but the calibrators found the issue as well so it would have been discovered and likely other viewers in time might have brought it up as well as the set became more common.You calling it a fabrication is akin to sweeping the dirt under the rug and calling the room clean. smile.gif

Well, here goes the old "male ego," feeling it must DEFEND ITSELF. I truly NEVER meant to resurrect the Cyan issue, but you must realize that I am new to the thread and after reading what seems like hundreds of posts on the subject I (like HTguru3) never considered it a "non-issue." The real ISSUE that stuck out in MY MIND from that long discussion was when I read that reputable calibrators were holding off on their calibrations until Sharp came up with a firmware "fix" for the problem. I just went to the link htwaits has for the calibration list and I see that a few calibrations have been made, with the last one being done in April by Kevin Miller. D-Nice was not listed, so I'm not sure where he stands on calibrating this display at this point in time. So, that was the only reason I even mentioned the Cyan issue.

Let me just reiterate though that I stated clearly that I didn't think I would avoid the Elite based on that issue alone. But people (including beloved AVS members) tend to see the cup as being half empty instead of half full, thus only my somewhat negative comment was responded to and my positive comments were, for all practical purposes, ignored.
Edited by djoberg - 8/23/12 at 8:26am
post #10650 of 14509
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Originally Posted by djoberg View Post

Well, here goes the old "male ego," feeling it must DEFEND ITSELF. I truly NEVER meant to resurrect the Cyan issue, but you must realize that I am new to the thread and after reading what seems like hundreds of posts on the subject I (like HTguru3) never considered it a "non-issue." The real ISSUE that stuck out in MY MIND from that long discussion was when I read that reputable calibrators were holding off on their calibrations until Sharp came up with a firmware "fix" for the problem. I just went to the link htwaits has for the calibration list and I see that a few calibrations have been made, with the last one being done in April by Kevin Miller. D-Nice was not listed, so I'm not sure where he stands on calibrating this display at this point in time. So, that was the only reason I even mentioned the Cyan issue.
Let me just reiterate though that I stated clearly that I didn't think I would avoid the Elite based on that issue alone. But people (including beloved AVS members) tend to see the cup as being half empty instead of half full, thus only my somewhat negative comment was responded to and my positive comments were, for all practical purposes, ignored.

You have nothing to defend as your point was clearly made and understood.
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