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Originally Posted by djoberg View Post

I'm going to chime in to say I've really enjoyed the pics you've posted. That top pic has EXCELLENT shadow detail along with the Elite's phenomenal black levels.
I have owned the Pioneer Pro-151 for several years and my interest in this thread mirrors that of htwaits and others who are looking for an alternative in case "our Elite" (or, in some cases, the non-Elite KURO) meets its demise. Most of what I've read on this thread sounds promising and I can't wait to view this for myself in a local Magnolia store that is opening soon in our area.
Of course I do share the concern raised by D-Nice (who I respect very much) over the Cyan issue, but I'm not convinced that I would avoid the Elite based on that issue alone. I'm more concerned about the limited viewing angle since I have a couple of "wing chairs" in my dedicated Home Theater. Having said that, if Sharp ever releases an 80" Elite that *might* eliminate that problem.
Keep the pics coming!

Thank You. wink.gif
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Originally Posted by RadTech51 View Post

Images of the day.
Farming.jpg
Shire.jpg
Shire2.jpg
All Images were taken in RAW format, ISF-Night picture mode.

Beautiful. Thanks for continuing to share your experience with this amazing set!

So, are you gonna try the Darbee? It seems like a gimme, especially at the introductory price. I'm giving serious thought to adding one to my setup, as KURO owners are reporting improvements, as well.
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by [Irishman] View Post

Beautiful. Thanks for continuing to share your experience with this amazing set!
So, are you gonna try the Darbee? It seems like a gimme, especially at the introductory price. I'm giving serious thought to adding one to my setup, as KURO owners are reporting improvements, as well.

Thank You wink.gif

PS: I'm assuming you referring to the "DarbeeVision Darblet HDMI Video Processor"?
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Originally Posted by [Irishman] View Post

Beautiful. Thanks for continuing to share your experience with this amazing set!
So, are you gonna try the Darbee? It seems like a gimme, especially at the introductory price. I'm giving serious thought to adding one to my setup, as KURO owners are reporting improvements, as well.

I've had my Darblet for 3 weeks now with my 70X5 and its a very nice addition to my system in my opinion... and a great value too.
Clam
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Solid Signal is getting more darbees (latest firmware) in stock tomorrow
post #10656 of 14509
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Originally Posted by RadTech51 View Post

Images of the day.
Farming.jpg
Shire.jpg
Shire2.jpg
All Images were taken in RAW format, ISF-Night picture mode.

Looks a little soft or out of focus.
post #10657 of 14509
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Originally Posted by RadTech51 View Post

Thank You wink.gif
PS: I'm assuming you referring to the "DarbeeVision Darblet HDMI Video Processor"?

You assume correctly, sir!
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So what's the deal with the Darblett? By adding this, wouldn't you have to recalibrate your setup? Normally, calibrators tend to turn off or down the processing done by the TV. By adding this, it sounds like its just doing the opposite of what a director wants you to visualize. When I read briefly on how it removes a layer of the TV so it's brighter, aren't we just adding more to torch mode? At ISF night, I'd assume you wouldn't want this. The 3D on it is not a seller for this TV since its already the best around IMO. Therefore, if you are an owner and have this item, I'd assume it's strictly for PQ. I also heard about being sharper with this unit. It just sounds like its going to give SOE.
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Originally Posted by DJ Mike Fury View Post

So what's the deal with the Darblett? By adding this, wouldn't you have to recalibrate your setup? Normally, calibrators tend to turn off or down the processing done by the TV. By adding this, it sounds like its just doing the opposite of what a director wants you to visualize. When I read briefly on how it removes a layer of the TV so it's brighter, aren't we just adding more to torch mode? At ISF night, I'd assume you wouldn't want this. The 3D on it is not a seller for this TV since its already the best around IMO. Therefore, if you are an owner and have this item, I'd assume it's strictly for PQ. I also heard about being sharper with this unit. It just sounds like its going to give SOE.

I think the director meant us to view on a theater screen, not necessarily on Directv or other carriers that compress video quality. For me I see no added brightness, and the image is a little sharper with more detail. I notice it more in close ups rather than wide shots.
It is not like unsharp mask in photoshop, there are no artifacts created.
You might like its effect, most do.
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Originally Posted by dreaux View Post

Looks a little soft or out of focus.

Yes as much as I appreciate his efforts to capture the elite's beauty, I feel the photo's do not come remotely close to what I see. I'm sure Rad will agree, pictures does not do the elite justice smile.gif
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Thread Starter 
Fixed the images, should look ok now. wink.gif
Edited by RadTech51 - 8/25/12 at 4:31pm
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Originally Posted by dreaux View Post

Looks a little soft or out of focus.

It's strange, but these shots look very sharp on my iPad but rather soft on my Lenovo desktop with a 26" Acer monitor. I realize images will always look a bit sharper on a small 10" screen, but there shouldn't be that much difference, especially considering other shots that have been posted look sharper on my Acer monitor.
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Originally Posted by djoberg View Post

It's strange, but these shots look very sharp on my iPad but rather soft on my Lenovo desktop with a 26" Acer monitor. I realize images will always look a bit sharper on a small 10" screen, but there shouldn't be that much difference, especially considering other shots that have been posted look sharper on my Acer monitor.

They also look washed out, IMO this is exactly how it looks from off axis viewing. Again, big thanks to rad, I know I couldn't do it any better!
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Thread Starter 
Images of the day.
Gandolfthegrey.jpg
MasterRing.jpg
TheEye.jpg
FrodoBaggins2.jpg
RingofPowerrevealed.jpg
All Images were taken in RAW format, ISF-Night picture mode.

PS: My apologies on the previous images for being a little blurry I've isolated the problem and fixed it for future images. Hope you enjoy these images, more to come. wink.gif
Edited by RadTech51 - 8/25/12 at 5:29pm
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Originally Posted by Hellion6 View Post

If anyone in the NYC area is interested in buying a 70" for a great price I have mine listed in the classifieds for $4450. It still has 18 months left on the warranty from sharp. Moving and this must be sold within the next two weeks.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1420371/elite-70-pro-70x5fd
Being right in NYC, I would think that would be an easy sale wink.gif
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Originally Posted by DJ Mike Fury View Post

So what's the deal with the Darblett? By adding this, wouldn't you have to recalibrate your setup? Normally, calibrators tend to turn off or down the processing done by the TV. By adding this, it sounds like its just doing the opposite of what a director wants you to visualize. When I read briefly on how it removes a layer of the TV so it's brighter, aren't we just adding more to torch mode? At ISF night, I'd assume you wouldn't want this. The 3D on it is not a seller for this TV since its already the best around IMO. Therefore, if you are an owner and have this item, I'd assume it's strictly for PQ. I also heard about being sharper with this unit. It just sounds like its going to give SOE.

No recalibration necessary Mike since it does not affect the parameters of an ISF calibration. There is an excellent review just out in Home Theater and they rave about it despite the reviewer claiming he hates 'enhancers'. But like most other users & testers, he acknowledges this one is different, very different. Even those going in to this with a 'not what the director intended' attitude, generally come away favorably impressed. Put me in that camp. I was a bit skeptical at first, but tried to approach it with an open mind after reading all the rave user reviews...some from people I've respected over the years.

It does not brighten the overall image, but acts selectively in certain areas of the picture to heighten contrast. It does nothing to the color and adds no ringing, edge enhancement or the like.

IMO highly recommended and a bargain at its price!
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

No recalibration necessary Mike since it does not affect the parameters of an ISF calibration. There is an excellent review just out in Home Theater and they rave about it despite the reviewer claiming he hates 'enhancers'. But like most other users & testers, he acknowledges this one is different, very different. Even those going in to this with a 'not what the director intended' attitude, generally come away favorably impressed. Put me in that camp. I was a bit skeptical at first, but tried to approach it with an open mind after reading all the rave user reviews...some from people I've respected over the years.
It does not brighten the overall image, but acts selectively in certain areas of the picture to heighten contrast. It does nothing to the color and adds no ringing, edge enhancement or the like.
IMO highly recommended and a bargain at its price!

Reading the few post in this thread about the Darbee, I take it that this would be most useful with a Cable, Dish or other set top boxes that suffer from BD movies from my OPPO.
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Originally Posted by LaoChe View Post

I never said it would turn a Pioneer plasma into a Sharp Elite LCD. I said a board swap would turn his standard Kuro (he has a Pioneer 6020 if I'm not mistaken) into a Pioneer Elite (not a Sharp Elite). This will give him the ability to tweak his picture even more and pull that much more performance out of his existing display instead of buying a set that IMO is a slight improvement over his Pioneer display. Again, if he was considering going from a 60" Kuro to a 70" Elite, I'd consider it a worthwhile upgrade. But going from a 60" Kuro to a 60" Sharp Elite, I think that is just a waste. But that's just my opinion.

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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

I think you may have misunderstood the suggestion that LaoChe made. The Pioneer 6020 non-Elite Kuro display can be unlocked by swapping one of it's boards. The 6020's performance and calibration potential would then match the Pioneer 151 which is known in Pioneer circles as the 9G Elite Kuro. wink.gif

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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

I often marvel that this is the most sensitive thread that I've ever read at AVS. I read your post just as you intended it to be read.


have to agree this is the most amusing thread ever on avs. why people come here to wage combat about a set that is good as anything on the market is far beyond me.

i did the board swap on my 5020 and after playing around with the settings, the improvement in pq was stunning. best $120.00 investment i have ever made.
Edited by mr. wally - 8/28/12 at 2:19pm
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Hello, all. I have not posted here in a very long time, but have a request. I have a Pioneer Elite and am considering buying the Sharp. Can someone point me to a source for a good comparison of the two? This forum was very instrumental in my purchase of the Pioneer.

Many thnks

JC
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Originally Posted by kesando View Post

Reading the few post in this thread about the Darbee, I take it that this would be most useful with a Cable, Dish or other set top boxes that suffer from BD movies from my OPPO.

It works well with virtually any HD source. Rather than divert this thread, there are tons of posts on this unit in the video processor section on AVS. You can learn much more there.
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There in here, but boy they where posted a while ago.......
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Thread Starter 
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Hey Sharp Elite Owners -
I'm auditioning a 60" Sharp Elite, and have noticed screen uniformity issues. The screen looks completely uniform on a full black screen, and the black levels are terrific! Is this typical, or do some of you see flashlighting in the corners or uneven screen illumination? W
When the screen brightens up (grays and whites), there is a lack of uniformity that's visible (though very subtle) even in some static images with fairly uniform color.
Is this my set, or the general limitations of the technology? Please take a moment to share your experience and observations. I need to know if I should exchange this, or if the problem may be worse on another set.
The Darblet sounds worthwhile. I'll probably pull the lever on that!
Matt
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I have not experienced any of the screen uniformity issues you described on my 70X5.
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Video Auteur View Post

Hey Sharp Elite Owners -
I'm auditioning a 60" Sharp Elite, and have noticed screen uniformity issues. The screen looks completely uniform on a full black screen, and the black levels are terrific! Is this typical, or do some of you see flashlighting in the corners or uneven screen illumination? W
When the screen brightens up (grays and whites), there is a lack of uniformity that's visible (though very subtle) even in some static images with fairly uniform color.
Is this my set, or the general limitations of the technology? Please take a moment to share your experience and observations. I need to know if I should exchange this, or if the problem may be worse on another set.
The Darblet sounds worthwhile. I'll probably pull the lever on that!
Matt

My Elite has better screen uniformity then my D8000 or VT30 ever did and both were Plasma displays, I can see no visible screen uniformity issues on any source material or on any solid color screens shots. It's really the best I've seen so far on any display and that's no small feat since Plasma displays usually win in this category historically speaking. No flash lighting no banding and no clouding, might have some very minor DSE but it has yet to show itself to me and it might be that it's just to subtle to see or that I have not looked hard enough for it on the correct source material as I don't watch much Ice Hockey for example. cool.gif
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Any more rumors or innuendo on the 80" Elite?biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by Video Auteur View Post

Hey Sharp Elite Owners -
I'm auditioning a 60" Sharp Elite, and have noticed screen uniformity issues. The screen looks completely uniform on a full black screen, and the black levels are terrific! Is this typical, or do some of you see flashlighting in the corners or uneven screen illumination? W
When the screen brightens up (grays and whites), there is a lack of uniformity that's visible (though very subtle) even in some static images with fairly uniform color.
Is this my set, or the general limitations of the technology? Please take a moment to share your experience and observations. I need to know if I should exchange this, or if the problem may be worse on another set.
The Darblet sounds worthwhile. I'll probably pull the lever on that!
Matt

You won't see flashlighting as long as the Local Dimming feature is ON. As for the other issue your seeing, it sounds like DSE(Dirty Screen Effect) This is an issue that most if not all LCD's suffer from. The effect variues from display to display
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Joined the ranks of Elite owners - Purchase thoughts

Hello everyone! After 6 months of research into a new HDTV for my living room, I finally made the committment and settled on the SHARP ELITE PRO 60X5FD. First time joining the AVS forum and look forward to hearing your thoughts.

IMHO there are only 2 great TVS on the market today and one very close runner up. These are

1. Sharp Elite Pro series - 60" and 70"
2. Pioneer VT50 plasma (GT also)
3. Sony XBR 929

I dont beleive anything other than those would be considered videophile quality. That being said there is no such thing as the perfect TV. So dont nitpick or those of you are still on the fence will never buy. I found what was the most important thing to me was the following.

A. Deep off state blacks
Hands down this is elite territory. Local dimming pushes the blacks very dark.

B. Bright picture.
Owned by LCD. I had to turn down my backlight because the TV was too bright. I watch in a lit room. Plasma white is noticeably dark. Plasma just cant generate the peak white. I constantly notice this in all plasma sets and this has become a dealbreaker for me.

C. Detail in the low bits (dark level detail in movies)
Best I have seen is with the elite. Cant wait for calibration. Typically a bane of SONY sets. Sony likes to "crush" the gammas in the low bits. Calibration would probably solve that however.

D. No pixel defects and no buzz from the TV
Elite must use hand picked Gen X LCD panels from sharp. I could care less about the yellow pixel, very tough to notice the difference. The yellow might come in handy for stabilizing white point. My set arrived flawless. No pixel defects, no bezel defects. I also love the pioneer VT50 but I can not get over the possibility of haveing burn in or buzz from the TV. I did not notice any of these while viewing in store, and dont expect any problems, but the risk is there with plasma and that keeps me up at night.

E. Uniform colors (white in particular) - Eliminates ALL edge lit LEDS.
Only plasma has better uniformity. VT50 wins here. Elite is better than ALL edge lit LCDs. Not perfect in corners, but still very good and you have to look hard.

I am a SONY HDTV fanboy and it is a shame to see the company, who in my opinion the absolute best picture processing / out of the box performance, start to falter. I own a 10 year old Sony WEGA LCD with a auto dimming CCFL backlight, and a SONY XBR6 I use for an XBOX360. Both TVs run flawlessly and are used every day. Unfortunately todays's Sony seems not to be interested in making cutting edge LCDs anymore. The XBR 929 is aging, but still is a great local dimmer TV with a great picture. Just not great enough to beat the ELITE.

Problems seen so far with the ELITE. (just another opinion)
Havent seen the cyan anomoly. Colors are hard to judge unless using a side by side comparison. also havent run avatar on blue ray through the set yet. If cyans are off, avatar will look like bad.

Im not too picky about viewing angle. Looks fine to me. i dont notice significant changes going off axis. I have 3 LCD sets and I havent heard a complaint yet about the off axis viewing angle from friends.

Reflective screen. Yes, it is very reflective. The plastic LCD front layer is not antireflection coated. (if it were, you would see a maroon or purplish reflection) Fresnel reflections will be ~ 4% and its not diffuse, the outer layer is smooth so you get a nice mirror like reflection from lights. Watching a dark movie with bright windows or lights in the back of the room will bedistracting. I find I have to adjust my viewing position to avoid reflections. This is an area SHARP needs to work on. Will I be returning my set for this. HELL NO! Just rearrange your viewing conditions. If you can not do this, then you may want to look closely at another TV. One that has an antireflection coating (much better on glass surfaces than plastics - Does SONY XBR929 with gorilla glass have this coating?). None of the high end sets have diffuse outer layers. Probably because this diffusion will degrate the sharpness of the image.

Out of the box setup.

I can not understand why such a great LCD tv comes with such crap settings out of the box. Sony is typically much better in this area. That being said, its not too hard to quickly get at least a few of the standard viewing selections on the elite to produce a supurb image. Calibration of this TV is a must. Here is what I found useful. For watching TV (HD and Standard DEF) I use STANDARD Av mode. After adjusting the color temp, backlight brightness, and turn down to low nearly all the processing, and adjusted the tint, the picture is darn good. In fact, what I noticed is that the contrast, brightness, hue and all that are excellent out of the box. What ruins the picture is all of the additional processing levels that are preset way too high. For watching blue ray, I use the THX Movie setting. Thats really good for watching blu-ray movies and I left the setting alone with maybe a very slight tweak or two. Still think the color temperature is too low. (I just dont like 6500K). I know its the standard, but its too yellow for me.

- I'll post my simple settings for STANDARD that I found works best if anyone is interested.

I have not yet tried to tweak ELITE PURE and the other settings (give me some time).

Pulsing artifact
I thought this was bull and then I saw it. What I saw was a fluctuating backlight effect not a steady "pulse" in scenes with a grey sky with clouds. This was over about 20% of the screen at the time. It was annoying, but its rare to see it. I think the conditions of the input signal have to be just right. It appears that a noisy or grainy scene with whites and grays may set it off. i would think this a problem with the local dimming backlight software analyzing noisy or apparently noisy input and "overreacting". Do I see this often/? no, rarely. Will I send my set back for this. NO WAY.

One last thing. The NETFLIX button on the remote is awesome. Netflix works really well on this TV and I dont mind the HD picture quality. Its noce to have built in Wi-FI and the app so handy.

Rant over. Thanks for reading.

Ray
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70" Coming TOMORRW: Things to check on delivery

Any advice on what to do first?

Inspect box
Inspect TV
have them set it up/plug into Media Center


THen....

Best way to tell uniforniumit?
Was planning to try RadTech and CNET settings first in THX mode
ALso try them in gamer mode and run the AVS forum disc/glasses

Try Star Trek (2009) and Hunger Games and Dark Night

Try Battlefield 3 in 1920x1080p DX11 glory smile.gif

Anything else?

I plan to do a complete report on high end gaming....

sjc
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