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Originally Posted by djoberg View Post

BTW, it's been good reading posts from you Les. I still frequent the KURO threads at times and I see your posts there too. Do you recall the days when we used to post often on the Samsung DLP thread?
The DLP days were a lot of fun. The viewing angles were among the worst. eek.gif

When someone wanted to take a look at this new HD stuff, I used to make them sit down, and then I would make them move to the seat right in front of the display.

Enjoy. tongue.gif
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If anyone in the NYC area is interested in buying a 70" for a great price I have mine listed in the classifieds for $4450. It still has 18 months left on the warranty from sharp. Moving and this must be sold within the next two weeks.


http://www.avsforum.com/t/1420371/elite-70-pro-70x5fd
post #10653 of 13287
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Originally Posted by ERosenbrg View Post

I cannot believe that people are still talking about this non-issue as if it's meaningful. I bet Ken wishes he could go back in time and stop himself from ever posting his questionable observations about the back wall on the Today Show! I watch a lot of sci-fi, and before I sold my other two TVs, I tried them side-by-side with the 70" Elite and there was no question that the Elite was worlds better. And the cyan-ish colors in Tron, Transformers, Avatar, etc. all looked exactly the same (probably because all three TVs were calibrated by the same person).
I think it's time to let this fabricated issue die a peaceful death.

I sure do. Had Ken Ross never said anything in the first place, NO ONE would have had any clue about it, ever (I blame you Ken)!

And while djoberg kind of minimized it in his list of complaints, just even mentioning this nonissue at this point is essentially throwing stones. Everyone knows there's an insignificant anomaly detectable only with instruments, & everyone knows it is undetectable by all but the most advanced videophiles- and even they remain overwhelmingly & unanimously satisfied with the Elite.
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Home Theatre's review of the new Darbee Darblet:

http://www.hometheater.com/content/darbee-visual-presence-darblet-video-enhancer

Can any owners confirm what if any additional benifits that this has added to their overall PQ of their sets?
post #10655 of 13287
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Originally Posted by Chere View Post

Home Theatre's review of the new Darbee Darblet:
http://www.hometheater.com/content/darbee-visual-presence-darblet-video-enhancer
Can any owners confirm what if any additional benifits that this has added to their overall PQ of their sets?

If you go to the video processor section and check the Darbee thread, I think you will find that the vast majority of owners will agree with Kris's review. I have a first release firmware version on a 70X5 that has the RGB out issue and don't want to send it back for update because I would now feel deprived of PQ without it.
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Originally Posted by Leon! View Post

I sure do. Had Ken Ross never said anything in the first place, NO ONE would have had any clue about it, ever (I blame you Ken)!
And while djoberg kind of minimized it in his list of complaints, just even mentioning this nonissue at this point is essentially throwing stones. Everyone knows there's an insignificant anomaly detectable only with instruments, & everyone knows it is undetectable by all but the most advanced videophiles- and even they remain overwhelmingly & unanimously satisfied with the Elite.

You guys are right Leon and I plead guilty. If I knew the unbelievable amount of time that would be wasted and the raw meat it provided for the detractors and compared that to how minor an issue this turned out to be, I would have kept those lousy Today Show glass blocks to myself!

In the future I'll think twice...no, 3 times. wink.gif

BTW, I too am really liking the Darblett.
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Thread Starter 
Images of the day.
Farming.jpg
ShireView.jpg
Shire.jpg
GandolftheGrayinShire.jpg
All Images were taken in RAW format, ISF-Night picture mode.
Edited by RadTech51 - 8/25/12 at 5:05pm
post #10658 of 13287
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Originally Posted by ERosenbrg View Post

I cannot believe that people are still talking about this non-issue as if it's meaningful. I bet Ken wishes he could go back in time and stop himself from ever posting his questionable observations about the back wall on the Today Show! I watch a lot of sci-fi, and before I sold my other two TVs, I tried them side-by-side with the 70" Elite and there was no question that the Elite was worlds better. And the cyan-ish colors in Tron, Transformers, Avatar, etc. all looked exactly the same (probably because all three TVs were calibrated by the same person).
I think it's time to let this fabricated issue die a peaceful death.

It's an issue none the less and whether you put much weight to it is a matter of personal choice. Ken may have first brought it up, but the calibrators found the issue as well so it would have been discovered and likely other viewers in time might have brought it up as well as the set became more common.You calling it a fabrication is akin to sweeping the dirt under the rug and calling the room clean. smile.gif
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Originally Posted by Leon! View Post

And while djoberg kind of minimized it in his list of complaints, just even mentioning this nonissue at this point is essentially throwing stones.

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Originally Posted by HTguru3 View Post

It's an issue none the less and whether you put much weight to it is a matter of personal choice. Ken may have first brought it up, but the calibrators found the issue as well so it would have been discovered and likely other viewers in time might have brought it up as well as the set became more common.You calling it a fabrication is akin to sweeping the dirt under the rug and calling the room clean. smile.gif

Well, here goes the old "male ego," feeling it must DEFEND ITSELF. I truly NEVER meant to resurrect the Cyan issue, but you must realize that I am new to the thread and after reading what seems like hundreds of posts on the subject I (like HTguru3) never considered it a "non-issue." The real ISSUE that stuck out in MY MIND from that long discussion was when I read that reputable calibrators were holding off on their calibrations until Sharp came up with a firmware "fix" for the problem. I just went to the link htwaits has for the calibration list and I see that a few calibrations have been made, with the last one being done in April by Kevin Miller. D-Nice was not listed, so I'm not sure where he stands on calibrating this display at this point in time. So, that was the only reason I even mentioned the Cyan issue.

Let me just reiterate though that I stated clearly that I didn't think I would avoid the Elite based on that issue alone. But people (including beloved AVS members) tend to see the cup as being half empty instead of half full, thus only my somewhat negative comment was responded to and my positive comments were, for all practical purposes, ignored.
Edited by djoberg - 8/23/12 at 8:26am
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Originally Posted by djoberg View Post

Well, here goes the old "male ego," feeling it must DEFEND ITSELF. I truly NEVER meant to resurrect the Cyan issue, but you must realize that I am new to the thread and after reading what seems like hundreds of posts on the subject I (like HTguru3) never considered it a "non-issue." The real ISSUE that stuck out in MY MIND from that long discussion was when I read that reputable calibrators were holding off on their calibrations until Sharp came up with a firmware "fix" for the problem. I just went to the link htwaits has for the calibration list and I see that a few calibrations have been made, with the last one being done in April by Kevin Miller. D-Nice was not listed, so I'm not sure where he stands on calibrating this display at this point in time. So, that was the only reason I even mentioned the Cyan issue.
Let me just reiterate though that I stated clearly that I didn't think I would avoid the Elite based on that issue alone. But people (including beloved AVS members) tend to see the cup as being half empty instead of half full, thus only my somewhat negative comment was responded to and my positive comments were, for all practical purposes, ignored.

You have nothing to defend as your point was clearly made and understood.
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by djoberg View Post

I'm going to chime in to say I've really enjoyed the pics you've posted. That top pic has EXCELLENT shadow detail along with the Elite's phenomenal black levels.
I have owned the Pioneer Pro-151 for several years and my interest in this thread mirrors that of htwaits and others who are looking for an alternative in case "our Elite" (or, in some cases, the non-Elite KURO) meets its demise. Most of what I've read on this thread sounds promising and I can't wait to view this for myself in a local Magnolia store that is opening soon in our area.
Of course I do share the concern raised by D-Nice (who I respect very much) over the Cyan issue, but I'm not convinced that I would avoid the Elite based on that issue alone. I'm more concerned about the limited viewing angle since I have a couple of "wing chairs" in my dedicated Home Theater. Having said that, if Sharp ever releases an 80" Elite that *might* eliminate that problem.
Keep the pics coming!

Thank You. wink.gif
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Originally Posted by RadTech51 View Post

Images of the day.
Farming.jpg
Shire.jpg
Shire2.jpg
All Images were taken in RAW format, ISF-Night picture mode.

Beautiful. Thanks for continuing to share your experience with this amazing set!

So, are you gonna try the Darbee? It seems like a gimme, especially at the introductory price. I'm giving serious thought to adding one to my setup, as KURO owners are reporting improvements, as well.
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Originally Posted by [Irishman] View Post

Beautiful. Thanks for continuing to share your experience with this amazing set!
So, are you gonna try the Darbee? It seems like a gimme, especially at the introductory price. I'm giving serious thought to adding one to my setup, as KURO owners are reporting improvements, as well.

Thank You wink.gif

PS: I'm assuming you referring to the "DarbeeVision Darblet HDMI Video Processor"?
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Originally Posted by [Irishman] View Post

Beautiful. Thanks for continuing to share your experience with this amazing set!
So, are you gonna try the Darbee? It seems like a gimme, especially at the introductory price. I'm giving serious thought to adding one to my setup, as KURO owners are reporting improvements, as well.

I've had my Darblet for 3 weeks now with my 70X5 and its a very nice addition to my system in my opinion... and a great value too.
Clam
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Solid Signal is getting more darbees (latest firmware) in stock tomorrow
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Originally Posted by RadTech51 View Post

Images of the day.
Farming.jpg
Shire.jpg
Shire2.jpg
All Images were taken in RAW format, ISF-Night picture mode.

Looks a little soft or out of focus.
post #10667 of 13287
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Originally Posted by RadTech51 View Post

Thank You wink.gif
PS: I'm assuming you referring to the "DarbeeVision Darblet HDMI Video Processor"?

You assume correctly, sir!
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So what's the deal with the Darblett? By adding this, wouldn't you have to recalibrate your setup? Normally, calibrators tend to turn off or down the processing done by the TV. By adding this, it sounds like its just doing the opposite of what a director wants you to visualize. When I read briefly on how it removes a layer of the TV so it's brighter, aren't we just adding more to torch mode? At ISF night, I'd assume you wouldn't want this. The 3D on it is not a seller for this TV since its already the best around IMO. Therefore, if you are an owner and have this item, I'd assume it's strictly for PQ. I also heard about being sharper with this unit. It just sounds like its going to give SOE.
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post #10670 of 13287
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Originally Posted by DJ Mike Fury View Post

So what's the deal with the Darblett? By adding this, wouldn't you have to recalibrate your setup? Normally, calibrators tend to turn off or down the processing done by the TV. By adding this, it sounds like its just doing the opposite of what a director wants you to visualize. When I read briefly on how it removes a layer of the TV so it's brighter, aren't we just adding more to torch mode? At ISF night, I'd assume you wouldn't want this. The 3D on it is not a seller for this TV since its already the best around IMO. Therefore, if you are an owner and have this item, I'd assume it's strictly for PQ. I also heard about being sharper with this unit. It just sounds like its going to give SOE.

I think the director meant us to view on a theater screen, not necessarily on Directv or other carriers that compress video quality. For me I see no added brightness, and the image is a little sharper with more detail. I notice it more in close ups rather than wide shots.
It is not like unsharp mask in photoshop, there are no artifacts created.
You might like its effect, most do.
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Originally Posted by dreaux View Post

Looks a little soft or out of focus.

Yes as much as I appreciate his efforts to capture the elite's beauty, I feel the photo's do not come remotely close to what I see. I'm sure Rad will agree, pictures does not do the elite justice smile.gif
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Thread Starter 
Fixed the images, should look ok now. wink.gif
Edited by RadTech51 - 8/25/12 at 4:31pm
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Originally Posted by dreaux View Post

Looks a little soft or out of focus.

It's strange, but these shots look very sharp on my iPad but rather soft on my Lenovo desktop with a 26" Acer monitor. I realize images will always look a bit sharper on a small 10" screen, but there shouldn't be that much difference, especially considering other shots that have been posted look sharper on my Acer monitor.
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Originally Posted by djoberg View Post

It's strange, but these shots look very sharp on my iPad but rather soft on my Lenovo desktop with a 26" Acer monitor. I realize images will always look a bit sharper on a small 10" screen, but there shouldn't be that much difference, especially considering other shots that have been posted look sharper on my Acer monitor.

They also look washed out, IMO this is exactly how it looks from off axis viewing. Again, big thanks to rad, I know I couldn't do it any better!
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Thread Starter 
Images of the day.
Gandolfthegrey.jpg
MasterRing.jpg
TheEye.jpg
FrodoBaggins2.jpg
RingofPowerrevealed.jpg
All Images were taken in RAW format, ISF-Night picture mode.

PS: My apologies on the previous images for being a little blurry I've isolated the problem and fixed it for future images. Hope you enjoy these images, more to come. wink.gif
Edited by RadTech51 - 8/25/12 at 5:29pm
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Originally Posted by Hellion6 View Post

If anyone in the NYC area is interested in buying a 70" for a great price I have mine listed in the classifieds for $4450. It still has 18 months left on the warranty from sharp. Moving and this must be sold within the next two weeks.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1420371/elite-70-pro-70x5fd
Being right in NYC, I would think that would be an easy sale wink.gif
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Originally Posted by DJ Mike Fury View Post

So what's the deal with the Darblett? By adding this, wouldn't you have to recalibrate your setup? Normally, calibrators tend to turn off or down the processing done by the TV. By adding this, it sounds like its just doing the opposite of what a director wants you to visualize. When I read briefly on how it removes a layer of the TV so it's brighter, aren't we just adding more to torch mode? At ISF night, I'd assume you wouldn't want this. The 3D on it is not a seller for this TV since its already the best around IMO. Therefore, if you are an owner and have this item, I'd assume it's strictly for PQ. I also heard about being sharper with this unit. It just sounds like its going to give SOE.

No recalibration necessary Mike since it does not affect the parameters of an ISF calibration. There is an excellent review just out in Home Theater and they rave about it despite the reviewer claiming he hates 'enhancers'. But like most other users & testers, he acknowledges this one is different, very different. Even those going in to this with a 'not what the director intended' attitude, generally come away favorably impressed. Put me in that camp. I was a bit skeptical at first, but tried to approach it with an open mind after reading all the rave user reviews...some from people I've respected over the years.

It does not brighten the overall image, but acts selectively in certain areas of the picture to heighten contrast. It does nothing to the color and adds no ringing, edge enhancement or the like.

IMO highly recommended and a bargain at its price!
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

No recalibration necessary Mike since it does not affect the parameters of an ISF calibration. There is an excellent review just out in Home Theater and they rave about it despite the reviewer claiming he hates 'enhancers'. But like most other users & testers, he acknowledges this one is different, very different. Even those going in to this with a 'not what the director intended' attitude, generally come away favorably impressed. Put me in that camp. I was a bit skeptical at first, but tried to approach it with an open mind after reading all the rave user reviews...some from people I've respected over the years.
It does not brighten the overall image, but acts selectively in certain areas of the picture to heighten contrast. It does nothing to the color and adds no ringing, edge enhancement or the like.
IMO highly recommended and a bargain at its price!

Reading the few post in this thread about the Darbee, I take it that this would be most useful with a Cable, Dish or other set top boxes that suffer from BD movies from my OPPO.
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Originally Posted by LaoChe View Post

I never said it would turn a Pioneer plasma into a Sharp Elite LCD. I said a board swap would turn his standard Kuro (he has a Pioneer 6020 if I'm not mistaken) into a Pioneer Elite (not a Sharp Elite). This will give him the ability to tweak his picture even more and pull that much more performance out of his existing display instead of buying a set that IMO is a slight improvement over his Pioneer display. Again, if he was considering going from a 60" Kuro to a 70" Elite, I'd consider it a worthwhile upgrade. But going from a 60" Kuro to a 60" Sharp Elite, I think that is just a waste. But that's just my opinion.

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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

I think you may have misunderstood the suggestion that LaoChe made. The Pioneer 6020 non-Elite Kuro display can be unlocked by swapping one of it's boards. The 6020's performance and calibration potential would then match the Pioneer 151 which is known in Pioneer circles as the 9G Elite Kuro. wink.gif

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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

I often marvel that this is the most sensitive thread that I've ever read at AVS. I read your post just as you intended it to be read.


have to agree this is the most amusing thread ever on avs. why people come here to wage combat about a set that is good as anything on the market is far beyond me.

i did the board swap on my 5020 and after playing around with the settings, the improvement in pq was stunning. best $120.00 investment i have ever made.
Edited by mr. wally - 8/28/12 at 2:19pm
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Hello, all. I have not posted here in a very long time, but have a request. I have a Pioneer Elite and am considering buying the Sharp. Can someone point me to a source for a good comparison of the two? This forum was very instrumental in my purchase of the Pioneer.

Many thnks

JC
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