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Can someone also provide me a recommendation on cables? i know that there are a lot of overpriced cables out there that do anything special, but I want to make sure I buy the correct ones. I completely new to this so any assistance with this would be great. I'm also picking up a Darbee. Can I run everything into my receiver and then out to the TV or should I hook this up differently because I have the Darbee?
post #10862 of 14509
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Originally Posted by ntstambo2 View Post

Can someone also provide me a recommendation on cables? i know that there are a lot of overpriced cables out there that do anything special, but I want to make sure I buy the correct ones. I completely new to this so any assistance with this would be great. I'm also picking up a Darbee. Can I run everything into my receiver and then out to the TV or should I hook this up differently because I have the Darbee?

You would want 1.4 24AWG HDMI High Speed cables. I use Monoprice to get mine but Blue Jeans cables here is excellent as well. They are at the bottom of the page. I am sure others on the thread have other recommendations.

I run everything through my AV receiver and with HDMI out run that into the Darbee and the Darbee to the set. Try to use a 3 ft HDMI cable from the AVR to the Darbee (the Darbee close to the source).
post #10863 of 14509
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Originally Posted by sprfryanml View Post

Is there a quick link to some of the settings that are being used on this tv? Also, any information on getting directv remote synced with the tv?
Thanks

Some people start here.
http://forums.cnet.com/7723-19410_102-549718/sharp-elite-pro-60x5fd-picture-settings/
post #10864 of 14509
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Originally Posted by ntstambo2 View Post

Can someone also provide me a recommendation on cables? i know that there are a lot of overpriced cables out there that do anything special, but I want to make sure I buy the correct ones. I completely new to this so any assistance with this would be great. I'm also picking up a Darbee. Can I run everything into my receiver and then out to the TV or should I hook this up differently because I have the Darbee?

This is a very controversial and sensitive topic and everyone has their own opinion on it, I personally use the vodka cables as they are coated in silver but you can get by with something for less. However I'm assuming since you own the Darbee you are trying to get every pinch of picture quality that you can out of your set so you might want to consider the more expensive tables. It would be sad to think that you're using some nine dollar cables for your expensive setup and equiptment but like it said it's a very sensitive subject so go with what you want or what you think makes a difference for you. cool.gif
post #10865 of 14509
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Thanks dreaux. Would be interested in seeing RadTech51's or anyone elses settings as well. Just using the Movie THX settings out of the box at the moment and must say it looks pretty damn good but I'm sure can be dialed in all the better. Noticed some annoying audio clipping the past couple days here and there but perhaps just the directv setup or a cable that needs to be changed out? Haven't had a chance to check with my PS3 or blu-ray player yet as I've only had time to watch some NFL so far. Again any help on setting up the directv remote with this TV would be appreciated as I can't get them to sync up even though all of my other TV's in the house have synced with directv without an issue.
post #10866 of 14509
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Originally Posted by ntstambo2 View Post

Can someone also provide me a recommendation on cables? i know that there are a lot of overpriced cables out there that do anything special, but I want to make sure I buy the correct ones. I completely new to this so any assistance with this would be great. I'm also picking up a Darbee. Can I run everything into my receiver and then out to the TV or should I hook this up differently because I have the Darbee?
So far you've gotten the two opposing views on this subject -- digital data via HDMI.

The engineer's view is that any cable that passes the digital data performs exactly like any other cable that also works. In your case, any "high speed" HDMI cable with do the job. The HDMI 1.4 reference is related to the devices on each end of the cable and not to the cable itself.

The other point of view is that digital data is the same as analog data and the higher the price of the cable, that results in higher quality wire, the incrementally better job it will do passing all the zeros and ones that make up a digital signal. As far as I know, this point of view has never been substantiated with double blind tests.

As the length of the cable increases, construction quality needs to be improved to insure that all the ones and zeros reach their destination. You have to exceed at least fifteen feet for that to come into play. If you're putting an HDMI cable in the wall, then it's very important to test it before hand.

From my experience, most HDMI problems come from the connections at each end of the cable because there is no positive lock. HDMI cable problems can be repeated hand shake requests, or sparkles over the entire image. In the worst cases there can be entire blocks of data missing. In other words, it's a major failure that's easy to see, not a subtle change in video or audio quality.
Edited by htwaits - 9/11/12 at 1:02pm
post #10867 of 14509
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Originally Posted by ntstambo2 View Post

Can someone also provide me a recommendation on cables? i know that there are a lot of overpriced cables out there that do anything special, but I want to make sure I buy the correct ones. I completely new to this so any assistance with this would be great. I'm also picking up a Darbee. Can I run everything into my receiver and then out to the TV or should I hook this up differently because I have the Darbee?

Yes this is a touchy subject that I try to stay out of but I do believe I have gained improvements with power cables and audio cables. I just feel folks need to try it and see how they feel about it.

I also look at this way, we have spent $6 to $7k for a display then for me $1500 for a bluray universal player. Am I going freak out if I pay $200 or more on HDMI cables? After an $8500 investment for a display and player? I went with Higher end Audioquest from my display to prepro. Also Audioquest from TiVo and Cambridge Audio to prepro.

I honestly don't know if there was an improvement here like I feel I got from power cables and audio connects but with a high investment I feel better about it.

I stay with all Audioquest for HDMI.

Rick
post #10868 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Mr.SoftDome View Post

Yes this is a touchy subject that I try to stay out of but I do believe I have gained improvements with power cables and audio cables. I just feel folks need to try it and see how they feel about it.
I also look at this way, we have spent $6 to $7k for a display then for me $1500 for a bluray universal player. Am I going freak out if I pay $200 or more on HDMI cables? After an $8500 investment for a display and player? I went with Higher end Audioquest from my display to prepro. Also Audioquest from TiVo and Cambridge Audio to prepro.
I honestly don't know if there was an improvement here like I feel I got from power cables and audio connects but with a high investment I feel better about it.
I stay with all Audioquest for HDMI.
Rick

I'll ad my two cents. I agree with you Mr. SoftDome about power and audio cables. I always demo various brands in my home, on my gear. Anthem Statement D2v, McIntosh MC205, Richard Gray, Oppo, B&W. If I hear an improvement then all is good. If not, it gets returned. I have a lot of money invested in wire.

HDMI cables...I demoed Audioquest vs Monoprice. I could not see nor hear any difference. I'm with the group that thinks, don't spend a lot on HDMI. Just make sure you have the right version for what your needs are.

Your system is only as good as it's weakest link. But don't assume that all components, wire being a component, have to be a name brand expensive piece. I A/B'd the expensive hdmi cables and found no audible nor visual improvements. Sometimes we think we hear or see an improvement, but find out it's just the placebo effect.
post #10869 of 14509
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Originally Posted by sprfryanml View Post

Thanks dreaux. Would be interested in seeing RadTech51's or anyone elses settings as well. Just using the Movie THX settings out of the box at the moment and must say it looks pretty damn good but I'm sure can be dialed in all the better. Noticed some annoying audio clipping the past couple days here and there but perhaps just the directv setup or a cable that needs to be changed out? Haven't had a chance to check with my PS3 or blu-ray player yet as I've only had time to watch some NFL so far. Again any help on setting up the directv remote with this TV would be appreciated as I can't get them to sync up even though all of my other TV's in the house have synced with directv without an issue.

Have you considered getting a Harmony remote? They are quite popular with folks on the AVS forum. Then you can run everything through one remote...(except maybe the Darbee). You can poll here to see which model will work best for you. I use a Unifier but am thinking of getting a Harmony.
post #10870 of 14509
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Originally Posted by dreaux View Post

It must be my monitor but I see no vertical yellow line. Is it supposed to be in this screenshot?

Yes, it is just to the left of the helicopter blade....sorry, the resized image does not show it very well tongue.gif
post #10871 of 14509
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

So far you've gotten the two opposing views on this subject -- digital data via HDMI.
The engineer's view is that any cable that passes the digital data performs exactly like any other cable that also works. In your case, any "high speed" HDMI cable with do the job. The HDMI 1.4 reference is related to the devices on each end of the cable and not to the cable itself.
The other point of view is that digital data is the same as analog data and the higher the price of the cable, that results in higher quality wire, the incrementally better job it will do passing all the zeros and ones that make up a digital signal. As far as I know, this point of view has never been substantiated with double blind tests.
As the length of the cable increases, construction quality needs to be improved to insure that all the ones and zeros reach their destination. You have to exceed at least fifteen feet for that to come into play. If you're putting an HDMI cable in the wall, then it's very important to test it before hand.
From my experience, most HDMI problems come from the connections at each end of the cable because there is no positive lock. HDMI cable problems can be repeated hand shake requests, or sparkles over the entire image. In the worst cases there can be entire blocks of data missing. In other words, it's a major failure that's easy to see, not a subtle change in video or audio quality.

This. htwaits' view is the ENGINEERS' view. The other view? NOT substantiated with double blind tests!

'nuff said.
post #10872 of 14509
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Originally Posted by RadTech51 View Post

Images of the day.
Waterhole.jpg
Elephantsinthesand3.jpg
All Images were taken in RAW format and in ISF-Night picture mode.

Do you have the BD of 'The Fifth Element'? Love to see some screen shots of that.
post #10873 of 14509
Thread Starter 
Images of the day.
Elephantsinthesand.jpg
Elephantsinthesand2.jpg
All Images were taken in RAW format and in ISF-Night picture mode.
post #10874 of 14509
Well my new 70" Elite (purchased July 28th...) seems to have developed the dreaded "won't turn on/off" problem.

What course of action have others with this issue taken?
post #10875 of 14509
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Originally Posted by clemdog View Post

Well my new 70" Elite (purchased July 28th...) seems to have developed the dreaded "won't turn on/off" problem.
What course of action have others with this issue taken?

There's only one course of action and that is to contact Sharp and have it covered under warranty. I would push for a replacement set, but that's entirely up to Sharps discretion.
post #10876 of 14509
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Originally Posted by ntstambo2 View Post

I just bought a new Elite 70 and was wondering what I should do to break it in? I've heard of a process of running a disc that plays solid colors for 100 hours. Can someone point me to where I can find this disc and if there is anything else I should do? Thanks.
Edit - I'm also pretty new to this so if you could provide some advice for things I should do upon delivery that would be great. I'm particularly interested in how I should go about inspecting the set and what I should and should not do with it before it is broken in. As of right now I'm planning on connecting it straight to my cable box via hdmi and then to a (temporary) small Sony surround sound receiver via hdmi to which my gaming systems are connected. Thanks again.

I have the same question. My 70" Elite is in, but it can't be delivered until Monday (two weeks of football without it! ugh!!!). I have never had an LCD/LED display. Does it require a break in? The dealer who got me the set also does calibrations, but I was not sure if I should get it done when it is delivered or after. I know pixels on plasma "age" and therefore some break in may help plasmas...

Darren
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Originally Posted by dreaux View Post

Do you have the BD of 'The Fifth Element'? Love to see some screen shots of that.

Yep, great movie I'll see what I can do about that request. wink.gif
post #10878 of 14509
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Originally Posted by ntstambo2 View Post

Can someone also provide me a recommendation on cables? i know that there are a lot of overpriced cables out there that do anything special, but I want to make sure I buy the correct ones. I completely new to this so any assistance with this would be great. I'm also picking up a Darbee. Can I run everything into my receiver and then out to the TV or should I hook this up differently because I have the Darbee?

Monoprice.com...
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Originally Posted by DarrenK View Post

I have the same question. My 70" Elite is in, but it can't be delivered until Monday (two weeks of football without it! ugh!!!). I have never had an LCD/LED display. Does it require a break in? The dealer who got me the set also does calibrations, but I was not sure if I should get it done when it is delivered or after. I know pixels on plasma "age" and therefore some break in may help plasmas...
Darren

The recommendation is to let it run for 100 hours before calibration. You can do a search in this thread for recommended settings (i.e. Cnet) to use during the 100 hours. The run in should be enough time to spot any major problems before calibration so the $ aren't wasted.
post #10880 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Leon! View Post


This. htwaits' view is the ENGINEERS' view. The other view? NOT substantiated with double blind tests!

'nuff said.
+1 smile.gif
post #10881 of 14509
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Originally Posted by dreaux View Post

Do you have the BD of 'The Fifth Element'? Love to see some screen shots of that.
Big bada-boom ....
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Originally Posted by DarrenK View Post

I have the same question. My 70" Elite is in, but it can't be delivered until Monday (two weeks of football without it! ugh!!!). I have never had an LCD/LED display. Does it require a break in? The dealer who got me the set also does calibrations, but I was not sure if I should get it done when it is delivered or after. I know pixels on plasma "age" and therefore some break in may help plasmas...
Darren
LED's do not require break in, in fact I feel, along with others, break in on a plasma is a waist of electricity too.........
post #10883 of 14509
I finally got to see the Elite in person(3 hour drive). It was a calibrated set at the Magnolia Center in Metarie La. I did learn that I absolutely hate the calibrated look lol. I don't think I could get used to it. Much to flat and bland with zero "pop". The set obviously had very deep blacks though.
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Originally Posted by kdog750 View Post

I finally got to see the Elite in person(3 hour drive). It was a calibrated set at the Magnolia Center in Metarie La. I did learn that I absolutely hate the calibrated look lol. I don't think I could get used to it. Much to flat and bland with zero "pop". The set obviously had very deep blacks though.
What makes you think that the display was properly calibrated by BB?
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Originally Posted by kdog750 View Post

I finally got to see the Elite in person(3 hour drive). It was a calibrated set at the Magnolia Center in Metarie La. I did learn that I absolutely hate the calibrated look lol. I don't think I could get used to it. Much to flat and bland with zero "pop". The set obviously had very deep blacks though.

Were you watching in ISF mode?
post #10886 of 14509
Thread Starter 
Images of the day.
ElephantsRoaming2.jpg
Herdonthemarch.jpg
All Images were taken in RAW format and in ISF-Night picture mode.
post #10887 of 14509
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

What makes you think that the display was properly calibrated by BB?

I guess I assumed the Magnolia Center had it calibrated by someone other than the Geek Squad but I cant attest to that. I'm not sure it was in ISF mode or not. No one was available and I was on a somewhat tight schedule. Someone here did point out though that if I didn't like the image a movie theater screen produces, I probably would hate a calibrated set. And I have never liked the image a movie theater projector makes for as long as I can remember. IMAX screens are a marginal improvement but still nothing compared to a good home theater. However, I have never liked home theater settings in "movie" mode or THX. It has the same dull washed out picture (to me). Just a matter of preference I guess. I know a lot of true AVS enthusiasts don't like the brighter picture and motion enhanced images (SOE). But the future films will have this starting with The Hobbit so it's out with the 100 year old technology, in with the new. smile.gif
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Originally Posted by kdog750 View Post

I guess I assumed the Magnolia Center had it calibrated by someone other than the Geek Squad but I cant attest to that. I'm not sure it was in ISF mode or not. No one was available and I was on a somewhat tight schedule. Someone here did point out though that if I didn't like the image a movie theater screen produces, I probably would hate a calibrated set. And I have never liked the image a movie theater projector makes for as long as I can remember. IMAX screens are a marginal improvement but still nothing compared to a good home theater. However, I have never liked home theater settings in "movie" mode or THX. It has the same dull washed out picture (to me). Just a matter of preference I guess. I know a lot of true AVS enthusiasts don't like the brighter picture and motion enhanced images (SOE). But the future films will have this starting with The Hobbit so it's out with the 100 year old technology, in with the new. smile.gif

Amen! Do not like the dull and washed out look. Much prefer the brighter picture as well.
Edited by dreaux - 9/13/12 at 1:30pm
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Originally Posted by dreaux View Post

Amen! Do not like the dull and washed out look. Much prefer the brighter picture as well.

I was watching The Lorax last night flipping between ISF day and Movie THX and thinking the same thing. It is such a beautiful animated movie and watching it on those calibrated settings it looks just so dull. I don't like my animated kids movies to look "real". I want them to "pop". However, I don't like them on Torch mode (dynamic) either. I prefer to watch all the animated kids movies on just Movie mode with the sharpness set to +2 or +3. For me that is absolutely perfect.

Now for real world non animated movies/shows (Dark Knight, Tron Legacy, Game of Thrones, John Carter, etc...), I much prefer Movie THX or ISF Day.

Just my $.02......
Edited by uwkid - 9/13/12 at 2:28pm
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Originally Posted by kdog750 View Post

I guess I assumed the Magnolia Center had it calibrated by someone other than the Geek Squad but I cant attest to that. I'm not sure it was in ISF mode or not. No one was available and I was on a somewhat tight schedule. Someone here did point out though that if I didn't like the image a movie theater screen produces, I probably would hate a calibrated set. And I have never liked the image a movie theater projector makes for as long as I can remember. IMAX screens are a marginal improvement but still nothing compared to a good home theater. However, I have never liked home theater settings in "movie" mode or THX. It has the same dull washed out picture (to me). Just a matter of preference I guess. I know a lot of true AVS enthusiasts don't like the brighter picture and motion enhanced images (SOE). But the future films will have this starting with The Hobbit so it's out with the 100 year old technology, in with the new. smile.gif

Once you get use to a properly calibrated ISF display you won't want to go back, you start to recognize how superior a properly calibrated ISF picture mode is compared to other picture modes out-of-the-box. Much of the over exaggerated and saturated color in these modes you see in the store are very inaccurate and are only used to grab one's attention while shopping in the store. A side-by-side comparison with a nice Blu-ray disc will reveal what I'm telling you, make sure you're not off axis or in a room flooded with ambient lighting ether. Try and make sure it's in a nice dark environment like in a movie theater offers if possible.

PS: If you watch a lot of broadcast material some of the dullness you see is due to the poor source material. When in doubt put in a nice Blu-Ray movie and then see what you can see. wink.gif
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