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post #11221 of 14509
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Originally Posted by DJ Mike Fury View Post

On another note, Kevin had the opportunity to review the Darblett which he will post on HTS forum. Since a lot of owners on here use it, I figured I'd pass this info along. He said that the unit "causes massive edge enhancement, raises black level, and changes the orginal video source drastically."

Tell him not to put it on 100%! I have mine running at about 40%. If you crank it, of course it will alter the source drastically. I like it for what it is. It helps DirecTV content a lot (really makes sports and the HD shows pop a bit more, just enough subtle enhancement). - but BD, not so much. It is really hard to improve on a good BD player (Oppo95) hooked directly up to the Elite display. We do mostly DirecTV here so it is definitely providing value.

Would I buy it again? Well maybe not, but since I have it already, I don't want to take it out to return it. I give it an "ok bang for the buck" rating. I'd like to see it priced $50 less.
post #11222 of 14509
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Originally Posted by pinktri View Post

N3W813 you rock! Can't thank you enough......can't wait for the new settings!!!

+1! thanks in advance, N3W813.
post #11223 of 14509
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Originally Posted by N3W813 View Post

Ok, ok....I will calibrate Movie THX mode with IVC Adv. Low using targets of 35fL and 2.2 gamma. If time premits, hopefully by this weekend; no promises. wink.gif

I have some bad news..... I attempted a quick IVC Low calibration last night and had issues with the gamma curve. I was able to flatten out the gamma with a combination of the Gamma setting and lowering the Contrast to 20, but there is still a huge drop of luminance at 90%. On top of that, the luminance of the gamut primaries were also greatly affected.

I may try the calibration again this weekend with more effort. But if I can't fix the gamma, I won't bother continuing to greyscale and gamut. frown.gif


post #11224 of 14509
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Originally Posted by DJ Mike Fury View Post

Just to let people know - Kevin Miller had the opportunity with a Lumagen and attempted a custom LUT with it on the Elite. He said it was an utter failure and ruined the picture. The panel changes the color's luminance during the process totally destroying the color in the process. He was forced to do a complete rest on the Lumagen and do it from scratch without the 5x5x5. Therefore, there is no cyan fix for those that were curious through the 5x5x5 with Calman and a Lumagen.
On another note, Kevin had the opportunity to review the Darblett which he will post on HTS forum. Since a lot of owners on here use it, I figured I'd pass this info along. He said that the unit "causes massive edge enhancement, raises black level, and changes the orginal video source drastically."

Thanks for the report Mike. I almost bought a Radiance Mini when they first announced the 5x5x5 3DLUT firmware....luckily I didn't since it can't correct the gamut issues of the Elite. rolleyes.gif
post #11225 of 14509
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Originally Posted by DJ Mike Fury View Post

Just to let people know - Kevin Miller had the opportunity with a Lumagen and attempted a custom LUT with it on the Elite. He said it was an utter failure and ruined the picture. The panel changes the color's luminance during the process totally destroying the color in the process. He was forced to do a complete rest on the Lumagen and do it from scratch without the 5x5x5. Therefore, there is no cyan fix for those that were curious through the 5x5x5 with Calman and a Lumagen.
On another note, Kevin had the opportunity to review the Darblett which he will post on HTS forum. Since a lot of owners on here use it, I figured I'd pass this info along. He said that the unit "causes massive edge enhancement, raises black level, and changes the orginal video source drastically."

Please post a link to Kevin's comments. My personal experience with the 5x5x5 is very different from what you describe. I haven't done an auto cal but have manually calibrated the 25, 50, 75 and 100% points three different times in THX with excellent results. Doing 6 point calibrations at each of the four light output settings fixes the cyan issue. 23 of the 24 color points calibrated have DE' s less than 1.5 with only red at 25% being more than 2. Tracking per CIE graphs at 35, 65 and 85% is consistent with the low DE' s at the calibrated points. Just loading the 5x5x5 firmware into the Radiance and turning it on in an existing calibrated CMS without further calibration shows many shades of blue that I hadn't seen before and the amount of cyan used in commercials surprised me. Some people have had problems using auto cal and there have been bugs in early releases. I would like to see Kevin's details.

Regarding the Darbee, settings much above 50 in any of the three modes can cause unpleasant results. I generally use HD 50 and find it's adds detail and depth to the improvements that a Radiance can provide. Roughly 98% of the persons reporting in the Darbee thread are happy with the product. As I recently posted in this thread, I like it so much that if mine failed and I couldn't buy a replacement, I would steal one.
post #11226 of 14509
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Originally Posted by N3W813 View Post

I have some bad news..... I attempted a quick IVC Low calibration last night and had issues with the gamma curve. I was able to flatten out the gamma with a combination of the Gamma setting and lowering the Contrast to 20, but there is still a huge drop of luminance at 90%. On top of that, the luminance of the gamut primaries were also greatly affected.
I may try the calibration again this weekend with more effort. But if I can't fix the gamma, I won't bother continuing to greyscale and gamut. frown.gif


Interesting results. I did IVC Low using a Lumagen Radiance for almost all the work including a 21 point gamma and grayscale. No problems with the before results shooting for a gamma of 2.45. IVC low smoothed the results slightly with 15 to 50% being reduced a little and above 75% being increased slightly. No mountains or canyons. First pass final results after calibrating colors at 25,50,75 and 100% showed a canyon at 75% in gamma( e.g . 2.45 dropped to 2.35) All other points (including 70 and 80%) were basically unchanged from before results. Fixed gamma at 75% and color DE's were still less than 1 at 75%. Luminance at 100% did decline by 2-3% but not a the other calibrated points. My 100% target was 50FL with IVC low on. I plan to future calibrations with LD on at ~27fl (=50fl with IVC low on) and then turn IVC low on and compare results. My experience with calibrating with IVC low on is that readings are slightly less stable than LD on.
post #11227 of 14509
I think trying to get a straight gamma is not going to work out with Advanced Low, since one of it's goals is probably to break the straight gamma in order to get the added pop. Otherwise how would it differ from straight Local Dimming? My .003 cents smile.gif.
post #11228 of 14509
I'm going to have my 60" Elite calibrated soon. Does anyone have any suggestion on what to expect> I'll be calibrating THX mode possibly. My main concern is the set's functionality after calibration, which I hope doesn't screw up other software on the TV.
post #11229 of 14509
The calibration is unrelated to the other software like Netflix etc., only how the picture looks. When they calibrate they'll open up two now modes, ISF Day and ISF Night, in addition to the other out-of-the-box modes. They usually calibrate the THX mode too.
post #11230 of 14509
Hello,
I'm about to buy the new 60".
I was wondering if anyone has any insight whether a new model is in the horizon...
Thanks
post #11231 of 14509
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Originally Posted by AnotherDude View Post

The calibration is unrelated to the other software like Netflix etc., only how the picture looks. When they calibrate they'll open up two now modes, ISF Day and ISF Night, in addition to the other out-of-the-box modes. They usually calibrate the THX mode too.

Ok thanks for the feedback> so they can calibrate 3 different modes? I can't wait to see the improvement> what about the 10 point IRE settings I have adjusted right now> are they affected by the calibration> I got these settings from this forum.
post #11232 of 14509
If it's the THX Movie mode then it can be replaced by something for your specific TV since no two TVs are exactly alike, so it should be better. If you want to keep that then just tell the calibrator not to do that mode, but you might as well have him/her do it since you can always replace it - make sure you copy the calibrated settings down if you do smile.gif.
post #11233 of 14509
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Originally Posted by shingdaz View Post

I'm going to have my 60" Elite calibrated soon. Does anyone have any suggestion on what to expect> I'll be calibrating THX mode possibly. My main concern is the set's functionality after calibration, which I hope doesn't screw up other software on the TV.

Who is going to do your calibration?
post #11234 of 14509
"ghosting" with Advanced Low.....

Ok, this is reproducible on my 70" set and on a store display in magnolia


THX
Advanced Low LD

Run a windows dewsktop via HDMI

ANyway

Say you have a VLC overlay. WHen it "goes away" to watch the moview you will SEE a "gohost" of the control panel!!! Looks like Plasma IR.

With "LD on" this is reduced but can still see it

Anyone else notice this? This is kinda crazy. Its like the CPU/Software is keeping a low grey scale image around (my great scale looks great from teh AVS forum disk with the help of the settings from N3W813 smile.gif

Watching Hunger Games Blu0ray was stunning. We weent to see Looper in the theater and my wife (she is awesome) said "This looks washed out and grey compared to home smile.gif
post #11235 of 14509
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Originally Posted by mgp View Post

Who is going to do your calibration?

* The Stores, pioneer rep I think does it....

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If you want to keep that then just tell the calibrator not to do that mode, but you might as well have him/her do it since you can always replace it - make sure you copy the calibrated settings down if you do


What do you mean keep the calibrated settings down if I choose to change the THX settings later?> How can I change the settings if he goes into the TV's software via ethernet to change everything? Am I able to go into the calibration menu settings without the calibration software afterwards? And adjust the calibration settings myself...to someone's posted settings on here?
Edited by shingdaz - 10/21/12 at 7:45am
post #11236 of 14509
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Originally Posted by sjchmura View Post

"ghosting" with Advanced Low.....
Ok, this is reproducible on my 70" set and on a store display in magnolia
THX
Advanced Low LD
Run a windows dewsktop via HDMI
ANyway
Say you have a VLC overlay. WHen it "goes away" to watch the moview you will SEE a "gohost" of the control panel!!! Looks like Plasma IR.
With "LD on" this is reduced but can still see it
Anyone else notice this? This is kinda crazy. Its like the CPU/Software is keeping a low grey scale image around (my great scale looks great from teh AVS forum disk with the help of the settings from N3W813 smile.gif
Watching Hunger Games Blu0ray was stunning. We weent to see Looper in the theater and my wife (she is awesome) said "This looks washed out and grey companred to home smile.gif


Hunger Games? Where did a young school girl get the money to buy an Elite? JK (kinda)
post #11237 of 14509
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Originally Posted by shingdaz View Post

* The Stores, pioneer rep I think does it....

What do you mean keep the calibrated settings down if I choose to change the THX settings later?> How can I change the settings if he goes into the TV's software via ethernet to change everything? Am I able to go into the calibration menu settings without the calibration software afterwards? And adjust the calibration settings myself...to someone's posted settings on here?

Hello Shingdaz,

Yes, you'll have access to change all the settings in 'THX Movie Mode' without software. Only ISF day/night are locked and can't be changed without software.
post #11238 of 14509
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Originally Posted by trcnet View Post

Hello Shingdaz,
Yes, you'll have access to change all the settings in 'THX Movie Mode' without software. Only ISF day/night are locked and can't be changed without software.

Ok... So THX calibration can be changed anytime, if I chose so> ISF day/night modes are locked> where do they appear in the Menu's? Do they replace the USER profile menu? Or can that profile be calibrated as well?> I would assume User Profile is calibratable as well.

* How many color points of reference or gray scale points are there?> I assume there are 100 points to calibrate instead of the basic 10 point currently available in the Menu's.
post #11239 of 14509
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Originally Posted by shingdaz View Post

Ok... So THX calibration can be changed anytime, if I chose so> ISF day/night modes are locked> where do they appear in the Menu's? Do they replace the USER profile menu? Or can that profile be calibrated as well?> I would assume User Profile is calibratable as well.
* How many color points of reference or gray scale points are there?> I assume there are 100 points to calibrate instead of the basic 10 point currently available in the Menu's.


Shingdaz, I haven't had my set calibrated. Maybe someone who had their Elite-Pro can answer your questions. I can tell you that you'll also have access to change 'user mode' settings

best,
Tom.
post #11240 of 14509
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Originally Posted by shingdaz View Post

Ok... So THX calibration can be changed anytime, if I chose so> ISF day/night modes are locked> where do they appear in the Menu's? Do they replace the USER profile menu? Or can that profile be calibrated as well?> I would assume User Profile is calibratable as well.
* How many color points of reference or gray scale points are there?> I assume there are 100 points to calibrate instead of the basic 10 point currently available in the Menu's.

The ISFccc memories (isf Night and isf Day when activated) will appear in your AV Selection list with the others. It's 10pt RGB Controls..

You can see all the controls available Here (one if hte pics dropped out, I am fixing now EDIT: fixed, you may have to do CTRL-F5 for the Refresh).

.
Edited by turbe - 10/21/12 at 11:47am
post #11241 of 14509
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Originally Posted by turbe View Post

The ISFccc memories (isf Night and isf Day when activated) will appear in your AV Selection list with the others. It's 10pt RGB Controls..
You can see all the controls available Here (one if hte pics dropped out, I am fixing now EDIT: fixed, you may have to do CTRL-F5 for the Refresh).
.

Ok Thanks, Seems like Night/Day modes will appear on the Picture Mode menu's etc.

What is the difference between the 10pt RGB controls, in relation to the -Current menu color settings?> Why not use the exhisting calibration controls in the menus's?>>>is what I'm trying to find out. Is there more accuarte calibration using control Cal software etc?
post #11242 of 14509
the control ranges for the Multipoint and CMS on many display's ISFccc Interface can be expanded (finer increments).
post #11243 of 14509
As Turbe mentioned, the settings in ISF generally have finer granularity:

Backlight: 0 -> 100 instead of -16 -> 16
Contrast 0 -> 85 instead of 0 -> 40
Brightness -50 -> 50 instead of -30 -> 30
Gamma -20 -> 20 instead of -2 -> 2
CMS is same for both -30 -> 30
10 Point WB -50 -> 50 instead of -30 -> 30

Also you cannot see the ISF settings on the Elite Menu, only select ISF Day or ISF Night, and set the IVC level.
post #11244 of 14509
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Originally Posted by shingdaz View Post

Ok... So THX calibration can be changed anytime, if I chose so> ISF day/night modes are locked> where do they appear in the Menu's? Do they replace the USER profile menu? Or can that profile be calibrated as well?> I would assume User Profile is calibratable as well.
* How many color points of reference or gray scale points are there?> I assume there are 100 points to calibrate instead of the basic 10 point currently available in the Menu's.
Once they are set the ISF Day and ISF Night will appear in the Elite View selection menu at the end. You can Up Arrow from Elite Pure and you'll land on ISF Night and see ISF Day above it. The only thing you'll be able to see and change when an ISF mode is selected in the IVC setting.
post #11245 of 14509
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Originally Posted by hhtatum View Post

Hunger Games? Where did a young school girl get the money to buy an Elite? JK (kinda)

Ouch. I liked the movie and the world. No apologize !!!!!
post #11246 of 14509
Anyone gotten their Elite to connect to Windows Media Player(DLNA).
post #11247 of 14509
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Originally Posted by mgp View Post

Anyone gotten their Elite to connect to Windows Media Player(DLNA).

I will try yhis. I hope so as my Nokia Windwos 8 920 Phone is shipping Nov 9th...... dumping apple.
post #11248 of 14509
Well, I tried calibrating IVC Adv. Low again yesterday and got more peaks and valleys gamma readings at the high end. Ignoring gamma, the greyscale and color gamut settings were almost identical. You can use the same greyscale and gamut settings from before just set backlight to "-1" and brightness to "+1". With those settings, it was the blackest at 16 (0%) and still bright enough to show shadow detail from 17-25. My meter could not get a reading at -1; at Backlight = 0, it read 0.0012fL)

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Originally Posted by AnotherDude View Post

I think trying to get a straight gamma is not going to work out with Advanced Low, since one of it's goals is probably to break the straight gamma in order to get the added pop. Otherwise how would it differ from straight Local Dimming? My .003 cents smile.gif.

I agree. smile.gif
post #11249 of 14509
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Originally Posted by N3W813 View Post

Well, I tried calibrating IVC Adv. Low again yesterday and got more peaks and valleys gamma readings at the high end. Ignoring gamma, the greyscale and color gamut settings were almost identical. You can use the same greyscale and gamut settings from before just set backlight to "-1" and brightness to "+1". With those settings, it was the blackest at 16 (0%) and still bright enough to show shadow detail from 17-25. My meter could not get a reading at -1; at Backlight = 0, it read 0.0012fL)
I agree. smile.gif

Alllright, nice to know there are at least finer gradient calibration settings and the gamma settings look like there will be huge improvement as well.

* Why calibrate with IVC turned on> it's not a static profile but constantly changing according to how the Elite responds, I assume that would give you inconsistent results when trying to pick how to adjust settings etc.,
post #11250 of 14509
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Originally Posted by N3W813 View Post

Well, I tried calibrating IVC Adv. Low again yesterday and got more peaks and valleys gamma readings at the high end. Ignoring gamma, the greyscale and color gamut settings were almost identical. You can use the same greyscale and gamut settings from before just set backlight to "-1" and brightness to "+1". With those settings, it was the blackest at 16 (0%) and still bright enough to show shadow detail from 17-25. My meter could not get a reading at -1; at Backlight = 0, it read 0.0012fL)
I agree. smile.gif


So Backlight at -1, Brightness +1 but I didn't get the Contrast setting. You are saying that one could use anything from 17-25?
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