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post #11431 of 13284
11/19/12 at 1:48pm
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Originally Posted by GeneWildersHair View Post

You my friend, have done it! With these settings my already impressive 70" just got even more impressive! The color accuracy seems spot on, and I've got more pop in the picture now. Thank you for your hard work!


I can't say these settings did not work, I find it impossible to believe I've been watching less than acceptable (C-Net settings) with the display for over a year> Right now its seems as though some titles that had a grainy effect, no longer exhibit that effect anymore> and I can actually watch the title and stare at how photo realistic the images are now for films/movies> Coming to America ~ never looked soo good! Not only that but....now when I walk up to the set and get a closer look> the set unbeleivabley DOES NOT SHOW PIXEL GRADIENTS!> more of a smoother transition (although faded with some sources< normal behaviour)....this must be to the finer gray scale that was acheived.

*It's like getting a new set!wink.gif
Edited by shingdaz - 11/19/12 at 4:25pm
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post #11432 of 13284
11/19/12 at 4:25pm
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Originally Posted by kesando View Post

I agree. I think it will depend on how much people miss the Elites when they are discontinued. I'm not so sure they will have the same cult following as the Kuro's as the Sharp Elites will have much stiffer competition from current and future Flat Panels (OLED and 4K for example) IMO. Time will tell. That said I still happy I have mine!

They don't have the cult following, true.

And the competition is much better, true.

But, the OLEDs are unlikely to offer 70" models for at least another year or so, which is something to consider.
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post #11433 of 13284
11/19/12 at 7:20pm
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Originally Posted by AnotherDude View Post

I believe the differences in pulsing can be largely attributed to the varied settings people use.
I have made extensive research into the pulsing thing through my calibration efforts and there are absolute links in pulsing behavior based on brightness, contrast and gamma settings. Considering the pulsing is byproduct of the local dimming processing algorithms it should not come as a surprise.

Have you been able to eliminate it? If so what settings did it for your set?
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post #11434 of 13284
11/20/12 at 8:24am
Hello, a few more questions before I decide to bite or not. Does the Elite have any banding issues like the Sony? Also has anyone tested the input lag for gaming? Is it bad if your not in gaming mode? I need a replacement for my red tinged 500m. Thanks
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post #11435 of 13284
11/20/12 at 9:20am
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Originally Posted by 440forpower View Post

Hello, a few more questions before I decide to bite or not. Does the Elite have any banding issues like the Sony? Also has anyone tested the input lag for gaming? Is it bad if your not in gaming mode? I need a replacement for my red tinged 500m. Thanks

The Sony 929 you are referring to was not a banding issue it was a screen defect, a crease of the actual LEDs behind the glass because of the adhesive used. Banding both horizontal and vertical will vary depending upon each individual unit. I have personally seen many Elites mostly the 70'' versions and I have not seen any issues of concern. So in regards to screen uniformity it's top notch, in fact i'd say the Elite is very plasma like in most aspects.

PS: As for the input lag I've done some gaming and computer control and I've never run into any issues, in fact I've had great response times and many people say the same. No I don't use the Gaming Picture Mode, all my tests were done in my calibrated picture modes and Elite Pure picture mode.
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post #11436 of 13284
11/20/12 at 9:25am
Yes, the "banding" problem on the Sony tv's was a production problem (I returned three of them before giving up). You will be VERY happy with the Elite.
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post #11437 of 13284
11/20/12 at 10:35am
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Originally Posted by AnotherDude View Post

I have done dozens of calibration runs and use many patterns to check out the results in many ways. I have never experienced any kind of image retention even when quickly swapping screens like black. That is very weird behavior. I specifically just tried the 100% color bars which has colors and a large white patch then instant switch to full black screen using my Radiance XD, no image retention whatsoever.

Huh, so is this worth having sharp replace the screen? I it is really annoying to see the Halo4 logo "fade out" when the screen goes to white (or changes). This morning I noticed my desktop (HTPC) was "showing into" the black bars on a movie (2:35 aspect). Took a few seconds to have the "grey shadow" of the high contrast image go away.

Again, this goes away with
LD OFF
IVC OFF

This can't be right.
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post #11438 of 13284
11/20/12 at 11:50am
sjchmura, you should call Sharp and have them check it out. This is definitely not normal.
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post #11439 of 13284
11/20/12 at 11:57am
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Originally Posted by GeneWildersHair View Post

Have you been able to eliminate it? If so what settings did it for your set?
I have only been able to mitigate it. I have a few DirecTV clips I use to check it out. I'll post some more details tonight but I use ISF modes so the setting values tend to run different from THX mode. I can almost totally remove it but I don't like the resulting image - i.e. too flat :-(. It's kind of trial and error because the contrast, brightness, backlight, gamma and IVC mode settings are so interdependent. I will say that if I adjust the IVC Low for a similar image as in IVC LD (a very low backlight setting for IVC Low, say around 8 vs. 34 in LD in ISF 0-100 vaues) I get the same kind of pulsing characteristic.
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post #11440 of 13284
11/20/12 at 6:28pm
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Originally Posted by AnotherDude View Post

I have only been able to mitigate it. I have a few DirecTV clips I use to check it out. I'll post some more details tonight but I use ISF modes so the setting values tend to run different from THX mode. I can almost totally remove it but I don't like the resulting image - i.e. too flat :-(. It's kind of trial and error because the contrast, brightness, backlight, gamma and IVC mode settings are so interdependent. I will say that if I adjust the IVC Low for a similar image as in IVC LD (a very low backlight setting for IVC Low, say around 8 vs. 34 in LD in ISF 0-100 vaues) I get the same kind of pulsing characteristic.

That makes sense. I can understand why the Settings wouldn't be the same going from isf modes to thx. I can almost eliminate it to the point where I don't ever notice it with just simply using IVC low, although the overall picture starts presenting unwanted brightness, and it effects black level. So I just stick to LD on. Occasionally I will see some bad pulsing, but very very rare.
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post #11441 of 13284
11/20/12 at 10:56pm
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Originally Posted by Scottyb09 View Post

While I could certainly be mistaken, my understanding is that LED TVs cannot 'burn in' (unlike plasma TVs). If I'm wrong please let me know - we're rocking a lot of Disney Junior at our house and I don't want to hurt my beloved Elite! No problems so far on my end after owning the 60" for one year!

Not burn, but they can suffer from short term pixel memory if the crystals are left twisted for long periods of time. Google LCD Image retention.
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post #11442 of 13284
11/21/12 at 3:51am
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Originally Posted by JimShaw View Post

I have been seriously considering the Sharp Elite 60 until today.
I was talking to a TV expert at Best Buy's Magnolia when I was told he would not recommend getting the Elite 60 because he has seen a number of the sets returned because of a "flickering" problem with the set. The owners turned the 60 in and changed it for the 70 which he said doesn't seem to have the problem.
He also supported what he said by saying that they had to return a 60" set they had because of flickering. He said that he has never seen it on the 70".
What do you say regarding what he said about the Elite 60"?

I've never seen flicker on my 60" or others I've seen on display. I also can't recall reading owners here talking about flicker. I'd put this in the 'unfounded' category.
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post #11443 of 13284
11/21/12 at 9:28am
Haven't seen flicker on my 60" before or after being professionally calibrated.
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post #11444 of 13284
11/21/12 at 12:47pm
Walked into Magnolia Store Richmond Ave in Houston today and found that the Elite is on sale this week only for 4999 previously bought for 5500.
Asked the clerk to make a price adjustment of 500 dollars as I bought mine end September - Also asked to make a price adjustment on the 5 year warranty I bought and he adjusted 150 dollars for that smile.gif
Also got some sales tax back for a total of 691 Dollars - not to shabby for paying attention....
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post #11445 of 13284
11/21/12 at 3:46pm
^^^ Happy Thanksgiving! Black Friday on the Wednesday biggrin.gif
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post #11446 of 13284
11/21/12 at 4:59pm
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Originally Posted by GeneWildersHair View Post

You my friend, have done it! With these settings my already impressive 70" just got even more impressive! The color accuracy seems spot on, and I've got more pop in the picture now. Thank you for your hard work!

Wow. Love it. Thank you so much. Too bad I need to call sharp about this wacky image retention - something must be wrong in the LD/IVC firmware. Just bizzare.
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post #11447 of 13284
11/22/12 at 8:18am
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Originally Posted by Ash Sharma View Post

Walked into Magnolia Store Richmond Ave in Houston today and found that the Elite is on sale this week only for 4999 previously bought for 5500.
Asked the clerk to make a price adjustment of 500 dollars as I bought mine end September - Also asked to make a price adjustment on the 5 year warranty I bought and he adjusted 150 dollars for that smile.gif
Also got some sales tax back for a total of 691 Dollars - not to shabby for paying attention....

Is that price for the 60" or 70"? I got my 70" for $5300 and if they are selling for $4999 I will go get something back as well. Also bought the 5 year warranty. Thanks.
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post #11448 of 13284
11/22/12 at 8:42am
This is the price for a 60 Inch...You got quite a deal for 5300... for a 70..The 70 over here is 6500..
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post #11449 of 13284
11/22/12 at 9:46am
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Originally Posted by Ash Sharma View Post

This is the price for a 60 Inch...You got quite a deal for 5300... for a 70..The 70 over here is 6500..

Actually I read on this forum that some people had gotten 70" Elite's] in Danbury CT Best Buy stores for $5300 so I printed the page from the posts and took them to my Best Buy Magnolia store and they matched the price. They could not find any prices on line even close to the price so I suggested they call the Danbury store and ask if they had sold the TV and the GM said he did not want to get in a pixxing contest with them and he matched the price. I was thrilled to say the least and haven't been able to get away from the TV since.

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post #11450 of 13284
11/22/12 at 1:34pm
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Originally Posted by N3W813 View Post

Previously, I’ve always said that I prefer the color balance of my 2 Sony LCDs over my Elite. The Sonys just produce better skin tones and color balance out of the box. I have tried countless number of calibrations on my Elite but I have never resulted in a set of settings that didn’t have some kind of issue. Although some calibrations have come close (settings that I’ve posted here).
But this past weekend….I’ve found nirvana. After taking yet another, much more time consuming, approach to calibrating the Elite, I have finally acquired a set of settings that best the calibrated picture quality of my Sony sets. After 3 days of checking and rechecking test patterns, test scenes, and regular TV/movies viewing, I’m ready to release the last set of settings I will be posting on this thread.* I want to add that the occasional yellowish tint that creeps up on various scenes with previous settings have all been eliminated.
Screenshots below are the before (factory default) and after readings for the Movie THX mode.
The “DeltaE 2000” chart in the upper-right corner shows the amount of error of the 10 point grayscale. Lower the better.
The “DeltaE 2000” chart in the middle depicts the errors show on readings of the 24 color patches of the Pantone ColorChecker chart. Description of the chart from Pantone, “The ColorChecker is a checkerboard array of 24 scientifically prepared colored squares in a wide range of colors. Many of these squares represent natural objects of special interest, such as human skin, foliage and blue sky….” (link)


The Settings

To check for skin tones and color balance, I like to use the following reference quality movies on Bluray.
Casino Royale
The Transformers – Dark of the Moon
The Avengers <- I like this particularly because there are a few scenes where most of the Avengers and Nick Fury are together. The different actors/actress have very different skin tones and it is easy to spot if they are off.
Love them or hate them? Let me know smile.gif
* - I reserve the right to retract the statement if I find a better set down the road tongue.gif

I've been tweaking the CNET settings on my Elie for weeks, trying to see if I can best them, so I was very interested in your post. Unfortunately, the print on the settings is so small I'm unable to make out all the digits, even when zooming in with my computer or printing your results and using a magnifying glass (and I'm not yet in this age bracket). Even without ALL your digits, the contrast on my Elite has been improved! Could you please post your settings again, with larger type? I suspect I'll benefit from your experience more than my guess work. BIG THANKS!!
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post #11451 of 13284
11/22/12 at 1:41pm
One more thing - are your settings for bright or dark room conditions?
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post #11452 of 13284
11/22/12 at 4:51pm
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Originally Posted by Video Auteur View Post

I've been tweaking the CNET settings on my Elie for weeks, trying to see if I can best them, so I was very interested in your post. Unfortunately, the print on the settings is so small I'm unable to make out all the digits, even when zooming in with my computer or printing your results and using a magnifying glass (and I'm not yet in this age bracket). Even without ALL your digits, the contrast on my Elite has been improved! Could you please post your settings again, with larger type? I suspect I'll benefit from your experience more than my guess work. BIG THANKS!!

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Originally Posted by Video Auteur View Post

One more thing - are your settings for bright or dark room conditions?

Click on the settings link in my signature. In the post, click on the settings image to bring up a full sized image. smile.gif

These settings are calibrated to a 'dim' viewing environment. Light output at 100% is 34.0fL. You can lower or raise the backlight setting depending your specific viewing environment.
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post #11453 of 13284
11/22/12 at 10:34pm
N3W813..
Thanks for posting the settings..
Can I use these settings for 3D THX Also?
Ash
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post #11454 of 13284
11/23/12 at 5:41am
I started a thread asking this, but I guess I can ask it here too:

I'm in the market for a new TV and I've narrowed it down to the Elite or a Mitsubishi Laservue. Specifically, what I'm looking for is the TV with the best combination of screen size, price, and picture quality for 2D movies (eg, I watch a lot of Criterion and Masters of Cinema blu-rays). While there are some threads out there that discuss these two TVs, there aren't many directly comparing them, and those that do are not very detailed; so I was wondering if anyone has experience with both. I'm particularly interested in whether or not the Elite is so much better or "film-like" to justify its higher price and smaller size. I currently have a Mitsubishi 73737, and I while I love the size, I've never been blown away by the picture quality. I have no problem with viewing angle, bulk, or light in the room, so it doesn't matter to me which is better on those.
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post #11455 of 13284
11/23/12 at 6:33am
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Originally Posted by Ash Sharma View Post

N3W813..
Thanks for posting the settings..
Can I use these settings for 3D THX Also?
Ash

I have the same question regarding settings for 3D. I did apply your settings to the THX 3D mode with the brightness boost on high. The picture still seems a little darker than I expected based on reviews I have read about how good 3D is supposed to look on the TV. Don't get me wrong the picture is awesome in 3D but not as bright as I thought it might be. Do you use these same settings in 3D? Thanks.
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post #11456 of 13284
11/23/12 at 6:51am
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Originally Posted by SolRage View Post

I started a thread asking this, but I guess I can ask it here too:
I'm in the market for a new TV and I've narrowed it down to the Elite or a Mitsubishi Laservue. Specifically, what I'm looking for is the TV with the best combination of screen size, price, and picture quality for 2D movies (eg, I watch a lot of Criterion and Masters of Cinema blu-rays). While there are some threads out there that discuss these two TVs, there aren't many directly comparing them, and those that do are not very detailed; so I was wondering if anyone has experience with both. I'm particularly interested in whether or not the Elite is so much better or "film-like" to justify its higher price and smaller size. I currently have a Mitsubishi 73737, and I while I love the size, I've never been blown away by the picture quality. I have no problem with viewing angle, bulk, or light in the room, so it doesn't matter to me which is better on those.[/quote

DO NOT GET THE LASERVUE! I started the Official 2011 Laservue thread last year as soon as I got mine and within days the tv started to fail. It would turn off randomly, the geometry was horrible, and none of the picture settings would stick. I contacted Mitsubishi immediately and over the course of TWO months nothing was ever done. I will never get another Mitsubishi product, Check the Laservue forum and you will see similar stories and similar results with Mitsubishi. I finally replaced the Laseruve with Elite 70x05 and have never been happier. It is by far the best set I have ever owned (I even owned a Pioneer Signature Elite 141)! Hopefully you will take my advice and not waste your money like I did.
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post #11457 of 13284
11/23/12 at 3:35pm
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Originally Posted by SolRage View Post

I started a thread asking this, but I guess I can ask it here too:
I'm in the market for a new TV and I've narrowed it down to the Elite or a Mitsubishi Laservue. Specifically, what I'm looking for is the TV with the best combination of screen size, price, and picture quality for 2D movies (eg, I watch a lot of Criterion and Masters of Cinema blu-rays). While there are some threads out there that discuss these two TVs, there aren't many directly comparing them, and those that do are not very detailed; so I was wondering if anyone has experience with both. I'm particularly interested in whether or not the Elite is so much better or "film-like" to justify its higher price and smaller size. I currently have a Mitsubishi 73737, and I while I love the size, I've never been blown away by the picture quality. I have no problem with viewing angle, bulk, or light in the room, so it doesn't matter to me which is better on those.

Not even close, get the Elite. If you have seen the Laservue you won't look at it again.
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post #11458 of 13284
11/23/12 at 5:53pm
I had purchased the Mits Laserview a few years ago over the phone. It shipped from California. The image was 65 inch picture. The image bothered my eyes. The colors were too intense. I payed over 100 dollars to ship back. Was I happy they took the return. Had to buy
another tv from the California company at the time. As you are reading this forum, consider the elite. I am waiting for these tv's to show up at stores.........
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post #11459 of 13284
11/23/12 at 5:54pm
Puts the center of the screen almost exactly at eye-level when sitting on the couch.
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post #11460 of 13284
11/23/12 at 9:06pm
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Originally Posted by Bet2ty View Post

Puts the center of the screen almost exactly at eye-level when sitting on the couch.
^^^ I do not agree at all if one is wall mounting. The screen should be about 40" up off the floor to the bottom of the TV in my book, so the TV will be out of harms way and the reach of little ones. To each his own though.
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