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post #11611 of 14509
Green Bars Pictures
This is not an exaggeration and camera is doing justice. Here is a $7000 Elite 70" TV looks really really bad... Sharp 80LE633U had very much same defect. What is going on? I have a feeling that all new batch Elites are subject to this problem.

BestBuy is trying to make it difficult by saying non-issue, I have to disagree! This is an issue even on $200 TV and certainly an issue on $7000 TV...

post #11612 of 14509
Hmm,

it doesn't look good
What mode do you use?
How it looks in "Game" mode? and how in "THX"?

What BestBuy replied to your pics? Did they see it?
post #11613 of 14509
I am using MovieTHX mode, with LD and AdvLow and tried just Movie, in both cases I see these green bars. I called Best Buy 888 number as instructed, they said, they will be in touch with Vernon Hills, IL store to see if they can help. I offered them pictures but they said that pictures have no value to them. I do not want to go through Sharp warranty service yet, since it will take longer than my return period to get a replacement from Sharp, based on what I read here they can take 3-4 weeks to deliver a replacement and I am also concerned they can ship a refurb to replace this one. I am just trying to figure out if this is current batch only since all other owners do not have this problem not once on this forum.
post #11614 of 14509
We have had our 70" Elite for just about a year. Initially we had a screen problem also.
Once Sharp decided to replace the set (about a week) the replacement came quickly.
It was a brand new unit no question. So unless a major change within their policies
you might have good luck in dealing with Sharp.
Just a thought.
post #11615 of 14509
Thank you for the update, good news indeed. I will have Best Buy do the replacement first and then perhaps I will go to Sharp. Really like the set a lot. Excellent blacks and good colors.
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Originally Posted by JeRed View Post

We have had our 70" Elite for just about a year. Initially we had a screen problem also.
Once Sharp decided to replace the set (about a week) the replacement came quickly.
It was a brand new unit no question. So unless a major change within their policies
you might have good luck in dealing with Sharp.
Just a thought.
post #11616 of 14509
Quote:
Originally Posted by JeRed View Post

We have had our 70" Elite for just about a year. Initially we had a screen problem also.
Once Sharp decided to replace the set (about a week) the replacement came quickly.
It was a brand new unit no question. So unless a major change within their policies
you might have good luck in dealing with Sharp.
Just a thought.

Pls. keep us updated.
I'll get my new set in 2 days.
I plan to turn on the TV right a way to brief check by connecting to HTPC while keep delivery people busy drinking my espresso.

Are there any quick test steps?

tnx
post #11617 of 14509
I recommend that you download the Plasma Burn-in Slides from Plasma thread and use them, they have white and grey slides that are good test for uniformity and dead pixels.
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Originally Posted by mikek753 View Post

Pls. keep us updated.
I'll get my new set in 2 days.
I plan to turn on the TV right a way to brief check by connecting to HTPC while keep delivery people busy drinking my espresso.
Are there any quick test steps?
tnx
post #11618 of 14509
Having now seen the Elite I would say never get one of the top Samsungs because they make the Elite look like a Matte panel Also I think from this point on no top panels will be without reflections. You therefore will restrict yourself to the lower panels in the lineup.

I saw the 70" Elite playing Dark Knight and it does do blacks probably even better that my Kuro Elite. Especially when you consider as soon as the light hits the Kuro the blacks start to go grey. Overall it is a great set and want to to replace my 65c8000 with it, but not at the current prices. No way over 5K.luojie
Edited by avsforumsdsd - 12/22/12 at 4:24am
post #11619 of 14509
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Originally Posted by avsforumsdsd View Post

Having now seen the Elite I would say never get one of the top Samsungs because they make the Elite look like a Matte panel Also I think from this point on no top panels will be without reflections. You therefore will restrict yourself to the lower panels in the lineup.
I saw the 70" Elite playing Dark Knight and it does do blacks probably even better that my Kuro Elite. Especially when you consider as soon as the light hits the Kuro the blacks start to go grey. Overall it is a great set and want to to replace my 65c8000 with it, but not at the current prices. No way over 5K.

what are you trying to communicate with this post? i am baffled.
post #11620 of 14509
Lots of great info here led me to jorder the 60x5! It's is going to be a great step up from the 40 inch non LED Samsung LCD. It gets delivered this Saturday. Will post my thoughts next week. Thanks for the info. Jon
post #11621 of 14509
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Originally Posted by dvzzz View Post

I recommend that you download the Plasma Burn-in Slides from Plasma thread and use them, they have white and grey slides that are good test for uniformity and dead pixels.
I recommend that this is not done at all. Do you know how hard, actually it is probably impossible to get a perfect grey scale on any TV made from side to side and top to bottom. Now if a person notices screen uniformity issues while using there set as normal that is one thing, To test on a grey scale is another..

( I ran a printing press for 12 years unforchantly. On a printing press it is an impossible task to get a perfect grey scale edge to edge. PMS color must be used wink.gif )
post #11622 of 14509
My 70" has some slight uniformity unevenness in the upper left third of the screen with some very subtle yellowing. I notice it in a plain even whitish screen if I'm looking for it.

While watching actual content, I may notice it briefly on some particular horizontal panning scenes once in a very yellow, err, blue moon. Sometimes I expect it and it doesn't show. It does not bother me as much as the occasional pulsing, and otherwise the image is unbelievable, no dead pixels or DSE that isn't in the content.

As it's been said, no TV is perfect. If I'm happy 99.999 % of the time, it's a good thing.
post #11623 of 14509
I just picked up a Darbee Darlet and hooked it up last night between my Preamp and the Elite.

So far I could not see much difference between On and Off. The setting is at 50 right now but I have varied it across its ranges.
Does it matter if it is plugged into Elite's HDMI 1 input? I read somewhere that it does not like the HDMI/ARC combination.

I have only watched blu-ray with it right now and I will view it with different programs over the weekend.

i am surprised I did not see the immediate "wow, this little box is doing some magic" like many other Darbee owners have claimed.
I know there are several Elite owners in this forum have Darbee as well and I would appreciate hearing your opinion about the Elite and Darbee combination.

Thanks
post #11624 of 14509
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by SHadoWFoX View Post

I just picked up a Darbee Darlet and hooked it up last night between my Preamp and the Elite.
So far I could not see much difference between On and Off. The setting is at 50 right now but I have varied it across its ranges.
Does it matter if it is plugged into Elite's HDMI 1 input? I read somewhere that it does not like the HDMI/ARC combination.
I have only watched blu-ray with it right now and I will view it with different programs over the weekend.
i am surprised I did not see the immediate "wow, this little box is doing some magic" like many other Darbee owners have claimed.
I know there are several Elite owners in this forum have Darbee as well and I would appreciate hearing your opinion about the Elite and Darbee combination.
Thanks

I have not picked one up yet, I was going to and came very close but never did. I was holding out for Kevin to get back to me on the topic but time went by and I clean forgot about it. biggrin.gif I suppose I'll just wait until I get some solid feedback from him later on, at the moment I'm just super happy with what I have. wink.gif
post #11625 of 14509
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Originally Posted by SHadoWFoX View Post

I just picked up a Darbee Darlet and hooked it up last night between my Preamp and the Elite.
So far I could not see much difference between On and Off. The setting is at 50 right now but I have varied it across its ranges.
Does it matter if it is plugged into Elite's HDMI 1 input? I read somewhere that it does not like the HDMI/ARC combination.
I have only watched blu-ray with it right now and I will view it with different programs over the weekend.
i am surprised I did not see the immediate "wow, this little box is doing some magic" like many other Darbee owners have claimed.
I know there are several Elite owners in this forum have Darbee as well and I would appreciate hearing your opinion about the Elite and Darbee combination.
Thanks

I have used a Darbee with my 70X5 since shortly after they became available. I am very happy with the results. It adds depth to the picture and more detail without any visible edge enhancement or other artifacts. This is for both Blu-ray and good quality cable. My setup places it after a Lumagen Radiance and connects to HDMI 1. No problems with this setup although I do not use ARC. All HDMI cables are 6 feet or longer. Shorter cables can cause problems for some setups. I set 8-9 feet from the screen and generally set it at HD 50. No off angle viewing. Based upon following the Darbee thread, I would say that ~98% of users are very happy with the results. Of the 2%, very few claim they can't see an improvement. If you can't see much of an effect at settings above 50, you may have a bad unit. Try pausing a close up of someone's face on a good PQ Blu-ray and repeatedly do an on/off test. If you can't see a significant difference at 8-9 feet away, send the Darbee back. Good luck.
post #11626 of 14509
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Originally Posted by SHadoWFoX View Post

I just picked up a Darbee Darlet and hooked it up last night between my Preamp and the Elite.
So far I could not see much difference between On and Off. The setting is at 50 right now but I have varied it across its ranges.
Does it matter if it is plugged into Elite's HDMI 1 input? I read somewhere that it does not like the HDMI/ARC combination.
I have only watched blu-ray with it right now and I will view it with different programs over the weekend.
i am surprised I did not see the immediate "wow, this little box is doing some magic" like many other Darbee owners have claimed.
I know there are several Elite owners in this forum have Darbee as well and I would appreciate hearing your opinion about the Elite and Darbee combination.
Thanks
I have the Darbee on my 70" Elite.
Going from Direct TV HD DVR to Darbee IN, Darbee OUT to HDMI #1 on the Elite.
I definitely see a difference.
I am set at HD 65%
Close ups of peoples hair, and facial pores really have more details than w/o Darbee.
I really notice it on our local NBC news affiliate
They have some awesome HD cams in studio, and it is one of the best HD PQ's I have seen on my TV
After I got the Darbee, the biggest change I immediately saw was the finer detail in hair and faces. Eyes and eye lashes really do show it also
post #11627 of 14509
Thanks for your feedback.

I saw Darbee's enhancement last night while watching TV programs (CNN, ABC). It seems like the intensity of the lighter colored shapes got boost relative to the setting level. For example, in a scene a reporter is wearing a black leather jacket standing outdoor at night. There were light reflection on the creases of the jacket. By adjusting the levels I can see the rendering of those 'reflection' going from dimmer light grey level to bright white (HD 100 which is definitely too high as the reflection no longer looks natural.) I can also see the definition of hair strands becoming more pronounced. I think this is what you guys meant "better depth".

It seems the unit is functional which is good news. Just need to watch more programs to see what it can do which I will have plenty of time for given my company is shutting down till after the new year.

By the way, I now have the setting on HD 55 and still connected to Elite's HDMI 1 input.
post #11628 of 14509
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Originally Posted by dvzzz View Post

Green Bars on white and grey backgrounds on 70" Elite made on Nov 2012
Folks, just got my Elite from Best Buy and turned it on, put on the grey and white full screen patterns to check dead pixels or spots and what a disappointment - there are green vertical bars that I can easily see on both white and grey background. They are also visible on the video material with white background like Life BD where they show ice country...
I had somewhat similar problem with 80" 633 set from Costco, and I decided to stretch my budget for Elite just to find same green bars. I do not see any mention of that on this thread but interested in the feedback and solution. I called Best Buy and they are thinking what to do here.
I thought it might be just my eyes, so gathered my family in front of the TV and all of them easily spotted them on the white/grey.
Appreciate thoughts/advise. Are all Sharp panels are prone to this problem or is just two of mine? Otherwise the picture on this set is the best I have seen and I really want to keep this TV but certainly not with green bars that I will see every time the scene has white and green in it..

Did BB replace youe set? Wondering if the replacement looks better.
post #11629 of 14509
Quote:
Originally Posted by dvzzz View Post

Green Bars on white and grey backgrounds on 70" Elite made on Nov 2012
Folks, just got my Elite from Best Buy and turned it on, put on the grey and white full screen patterns to check dead pixels or spots and what a disappointment - there are green vertical bars that I can easily see on both white and grey background. They are also visible on the video material with white background like Life BD where they show ice country...
I had somewhat similar problem with 80" 633 set from Costco, and I decided to stretch my budget for Elite just to find same green bars. I do not see any mention of that on this thread but interested in the feedback and solution. I called Best Buy and they are thinking what to do here.
I thought it might be just my eyes, so gathered my family in front of the TV and all of them easily spotted them on the white/grey.
Appreciate thoughts/advise. Are all Sharp panels are prone to this problem or is just two of mine? Otherwise the picture on this set is the best I have seen and I really want to keep this TV but certainly not with green bars that I will see every time the scene has white and green in it..

Hmm.. I just bought mines from Magnolia with the 4 year insurance plan. My 70X5 doesn't get delivered till Jan.4. This will be my first LED set. How do you check a LED set for screen uniformitys? Will it be the same way as a plasma? When I first got my Pio Elite 151FD I ran D-nice slides. And didn't notice any dead pixels or banding. But that's a plasma.
post #11630 of 14509
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Originally Posted by rhed View Post

Hmm.. I just bought mines from Magnolia with the 4 year insurance plan. My 70X5 doesn't get delivered till Jan.4. This will be my first LED set. How do you check a LED set for screen uniformitys? Will it be the same way as a plasma? When I first got my Pio Elite 151FD I ran D-nice slides. And didn't notice any dead pixels or banding. But that's a plasma.

Use the same slides to check for dead pixels and screen uniformity.
post #11631 of 14509
No not yet. It is an ordeal to say the least... Once local store sold it, they do not want anything to do with it, I was told to call Corporate 800 number, folks there have taken me on a week long "hold and wait" finally went to the store and demanded the exchange, reluctantly Magnolia manager told me that he would schedule a replacement. Well now next Thu we will know what comes as an exchange. Somehow, I am not optimistic but I did order a AC power conditioner to rule out dirty AC (I know I know it is dumb statement, AC cannot cause Green Bars but...)




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Originally Posted by motoman View Post

Did BB replace youe set? Wondering if the replacement looks better.
post #11632 of 14509
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Originally Posted by dvzzz View Post

No not yet. It is an ordeal to say the least... Once local store sold it, they do not want anything to do with it, I was told to call Corporate 800 number, folks there have taken me on a week long "hold and wait" finally went to the store and demanded the exchange, reluctantly Magnolia manager told me that he would schedule a replacement. Well now next Thu we will know what comes as an exchange. Somehow, I am not optimistic but I did order a AC power conditioner to rule out dirty AC (I know I know it is dumb statement, AC cannot cause Green Bars but...)

Good luck to you. BB should not be giving you these kinds of problems to exchange a defective set. Hope it all works out.
Edited by motoman - 12/23/12 at 5:04pm
post #11633 of 14509
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Originally Posted by RadTech51 View Post

I have not picked one up yet, I was going to and came very close but never did. I was holding out for Kevin to get back to me on the topic but time went by and I clean forgot about it. biggrin.gif I suppose I'll just wait until I get some solid feedback from him later on, at the moment I'm just super happy with what I have. wink.gif

Rad, there Is a review in the current Home Theater Magazine that absolutely raved about the unit. The writer indicated he's never been a fan of processors until seeing this one. He could only see improvements in the picture and no ill-effects. It was one of the most praising reviews on equipment you'll see. smile.gif
post #11634 of 14509
Back in October I posted that the Geek Squad replaced the small IR sensor circuit board in my 70" Elite and fixed the problem of the Elite not responding to my remotes. Well last Thursday it started happening again. Has anyone else had this happen to them twice? The Geek Squad is coming out to house again on Wednesday.
post #11635 of 14509
My friend had it happen twice on his 70. They eventually replaced the display. This seems to happen more on the 70s as opposed to the 60s. You'd think they're using the same sensor in both, so I have no idea why this should be.
post #11636 of 14509
Merry Christmas to All
I have a friend who really wants a 70" Elite. The best price we can find him is ~$6200 shipped.
He still can't swing that much cash.
Does anyone here have any info or opinion on the non elite Sharp 70" displays?
They have 7 different 70" models on their website. That seems kinda crazy to have that many 70" models..
Here is a link
Sharp Non-Elite 70" TV's

The Elite's are not even on the Sharp website, so you can count that as 8 different 70" TV's
He could swing the cash for any of the non-Elite TV's but he really wants 70"
He also wants 3D, so that narrows it down to 5 I think.
They are all edge lit and none have local dimming.

Any ideas from you guys in this thread on these sets?
Has anyone seen one in someone's living room, not at a store?
Edited by obxdiver - 12/25/12 at 5:54am
post #11637 of 14509
I'm enjoying the TV. Amazing pic quality!

However, I’m having a hard time connecting to the internet.

IN “Wireless Setup,” I hit “Search.” I found my SSID and entered the password.

It worked, but when I hit “Initialize,” it gets disconnected.

I also exited without hitting “Intialize,” and went to IP Setup.

After changing everything to Auto, the “Test” failed.

Did anyone else have a problem with this or knows how to resolve it?

Any help would be great.

Thanks!
Edited by ns88 - 12/25/12 at 9:41am
post #11638 of 14509
I have looked at both Quattron and non-Quattron 70" from Sharp - 640 and 845. My take is that among those 2 sets 640 (600) are better choice for picture quality than 845, better blacks, more uniform, I have adjusted them all to the same settings at Magnolia and, frankly, all of them failed miserably the motion test, with 24p processing motion judder was too much and with it on, SOE was just disgusting. Also for some reason, I could not get skin colors to be natural, but with ISF calibration it will be possible. Lastly, viewing angles are worst in class that I have seen. All in all, have him search and find 2011 full-array 70" versions, those perform much better but next to impossible to find anywhere. I could find last year's.

If your friend is willing to do homework, e.g. print all ads and posts from this forums you should be able to swing $5000 from Best Buy for 70".



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Originally Posted by obxdiver View Post

Merry Christmas to All
I have a friend who really wants a 70" Elite. The best price we can find him is ~$6200 shipped.
He still can't swing that much cash.
Does anyone here have any info or opinion on the non elite Sharp 70" displays?
They have 7 different 70" models on their website. That seems kinda crazy to have that many 70" models..
Here is a link
Sharp Non-Elite 70" TV's
The Elite's are not even on the Sharp website, so you can count that as 8 different 70" TV's
He could swing the cash for any of the non-Elite TV's but he really wants 70"
He also wants 3D, so that narrows it down to 5 I think.
They are all edge lit and none have local dimming.
Any ideas from you guys in this thread on these sets?
Has anyone seen one in someone's living room, not at a store?
post #11639 of 14509
Quote:
Originally Posted by dvzzz View Post

Green Bars Pictures
This is not an exaggeration and camera is doing justice. Here is a $7000 Elite 70" TV looks really really bad... Sharp 80LE633U had very much same defect. What is going on? I have a feeling that all new batch Elites are subject to this problem.
BestBuy is trying to make it difficult by saying non-issue, I have to disagree! This is an issue even on $200 TV and certainly an issue on $7000 TV...


Looking at this thread to drool I noticed your picture. I am curious to know how it is with a 10-20% grey on the right hand side as well? my Sharp 70LE847 is exhibiting the same exact issue, Mine gets very dark, and with white/light grey I get a similar look to what you have in your pictures.

Its not noticeable in pretty much most normal viewing aside from a few small instances which made me break out the test colors. I am waiting to hear back from sharp about sending pictures for them to see if they want to replace the unit.


This photo doesnt show it as well as it is in person, its quite noticeable like your picture. (sorry for cell phone pic)



and its even worse as it gets darker

post #11640 of 14509
As I get darker grey patterns up green still shows, in fact I see color disturbance with darker grey, these bars impact all colors if you pay attention, even during normal viewing. They are changing red more to yellow, etc. Every test pattern I ran, I still can see them, except bright Blue.

I had same green defect "beard" on previous 80LE633U unit that I returned because Sharp told this is normal. 80LE633 was built in October 2012, this Elite is November 2012, but green is very obvious on ALL HDMI channels. I emailed Sharp's Elite support to see if Elite will accept that they have problems with panels, but given that everyone on all Elite forums have not see this problem ever before is reassuring and I might get a perfect set after all if not I will just return to 55" IPS-based set and wait for the technology to mature or for Sharp to get better. I wish I could manage palsma in my environment but my family watches a lot of international programming on Roku and those are mostly in 4:3 and 2012 Panasonics will burn-in for sure.


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Originally Posted by Shady195 View Post

Looking at this thread to drool I noticed your picture. I am curious to know how it is with a 10-20% grey on the right hand side as well? my Sharp 70LE847 is exhibiting the same exact issue, Mine gets very dark, and with white/light grey I get a similar look to what you have in your pictures.
Its not noticeable in pretty much most normal viewing aside from a few small instances which made me break out the test colors. I am waiting to hear back from sharp about sending pictures for them to see if they want to replace the unit.
This photo doesnt show it as well as it is in person, its quite noticeable like your picture. (sorry for cell phone pic)

and its even worse as it gets darker
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