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post #11611 of 13284
12/17/12 at 3:22pm
I notice n3's settings sets smooth motion to 120hz high. How well does that work?

I should say I actually like a little bit of SOE for non film material (sports, nature programs) as long as it is not too overdone. My problem with smooth motion is I've only seen it work well for native 24fps, where I usually DON'T want it (except for things like animation). For cable and broadcast, smooth motion tends to make a hash of things. I think many shows are shot at 24fps, then converted (poorly) to 30 or 60fps for broadcast, and smoothing motion tends to make a bigger mess of it. It smooths motion all right, until you have long slow pans or quick short pans, then there's all kind of hiccups.

So, I'm sure the elite handles 24fps blu ray just fine. What about the rest? And specifically, does smoth motion at 120hz high actually work correctly (whether you like it aesthetically is another matter).
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post #11612 of 13284
12/17/12 at 4:26pm
soe is not controlled by the motion settings on the elite it's controlled by the film mode if you don't want soe set the film mode to off
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post #11613 of 13284
12/17/12 at 4:36pm
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Originally Posted by obxdiver View Post

Did you enter N3's settings?
If so, what do u think?
A big thanks to N3W813 for your calibrated settings for THX Movie
Your settings, together with a Darbee Darblet can not be matched.
I can't imagine how the TV can look any better. wink.gif

i've been using N3s settings with a darblet too much improvement especially in the greens. was using c net settings before these N3s much better
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post #11614 of 13284
12/17/12 at 5:12pm
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Originally Posted by obxdiver View Post

Did you enter N3's settings?
If so, what do u think?
A big thanks to N3W813 for your calibrated settings for THX Movie
Your settings, together with a Darbee Darblet can not be matched.
I can't imagine how the TV can look any better. wink.gif

No, I am ordering the 70" in a couple days and wanted to get a calibration for when the new set arrived
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post #11615 of 13284
12/17/12 at 9:08pm
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Originally Posted by barth2k View Post

I notice n3's settings sets smooth motion to 120hz high. How well does that work?
I should say I actually like a little bit of SOE for non film material (sports, nature programs) as long as it is not too overdone. My problem with smooth motion is I've only seen it work well for native 24fps, where I usually DON'T want it (except for things like animation). For cable and broadcast, smooth motion tends to make a hash of things. I think many shows are shot at 24fps, then converted (poorly) to 30 or 60fps for broadcast, and smoothing motion tends to make a bigger mess of it. It smooths motion all right, until you have long slow pans or quick short pans, then there's all kind of hiccups.
So, I'm sure the elite handles 24fps blu ray just fine. What about the rest? And specifically, does smoth motion at 120hz high actually work correctly (whether you like it aesthetically is another matter).

Both the "Motion Enhancement" and "Film Mode" can be set to your personal preference. It has no effect on the colors. Except if you set ME to "Fluidmotion", you will lose total light output resulting in a dimmer picture.
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post #11616 of 13284
12/18/12 at 4:02am
Those of you who do your own calibrations.

On the 10 point grayscale adjustment, have you checked the inbetween points to see how they adjusted out?

If so, what did you find?
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post #11617 of 13284
12/18/12 at 6:54am
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

Those of you who do your own calibrations.
On the 10 point grayscale adjustment, have you checked the inbetween points to see how they adjusted out?
If so, what did you find?

The in-between points tracked as well as its neighbors. smile.gif I did a couple of 21-point readings during my last calibration but did not save the charts.

The 10-point grayscale controls on the Elite are not implemented correctly though. If you make substantial changes to brightness and contrast, the controls will no longer change the output for its given point. For example, if you lower contrast enough, point 7 no longer adjust 70% light output, instead it controls 75-80%.
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post #11618 of 13284
12/18/12 at 3:40pm
Green Bars on white and grey backgrounds on 70" Elite made on Nov 2012
Folks, just got my Elite from Best Buy and turned it on, put on the grey and white full screen patterns to check dead pixels or spots and what a disappointment - there are green vertical bars that I can easily see on both white and grey background. They are also visible on the video material with white background like Life BD where they show ice country...

I had somewhat similar problem with 80" 633 set from Costco, and I decided to stretch my budget for Elite just to find same green bars. I do not see any mention of that on this thread but interested in the feedback and solution. I called Best Buy and they are thinking what to do here.

I thought it might be just my eyes, so gathered my family in front of the TV and all of them easily spotted them on the white/grey.

Appreciate thoughts/advise. Are all Sharp panels are prone to this problem or is just two of mine? Otherwise the picture on this set is the best I have seen and I really want to keep this TV but certainly not with green bars that I will see every time the scene has white and green in it..
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post #11619 of 13284
12/18/12 at 3:42pm
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Originally Posted by dvzzz View Post

Green Bars on white and grey backgrounds on 70" Elite made on Nov 2012
Folks, just got my Elite from Best Buy and turned it on, put on the grey and white full screen patterns to check dead pixels or spots and what a disappointment - there are green vertical bars that I can easily see on both white and grey background. They are also visible on the video material with white background like Life BD where they show ice country...
I had somewhat similar problem with 80" 633 set from Costco, and I decided to stretch my budget for Elite just to find same green bars. I do not see any mention of that on this thread but interested in the feedback and solution. I called Best Buy and they are thinking what to do here.
I thought it might be just my eyes, so gathered my family in front of the TV and all of them easily spotted them on the white/grey.
Appreciate thoughts/advise. Are all Sharp panels are prone to this problem or is just two of mine? Otherwise the picture on this set is the best I have seen and I really want to keep this TV but certainly not with green bars that I will see every time the scene has white and green in it..

Haven't heard of green bars yet, this is the first time. Demand a replacement from Best Buy immediately.
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post #11620 of 13284
12/18/12 at 3:48pm
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Originally Posted by dvzzz View Post

Green Bars on white and grey backgrounds on 70" Elite made on Nov 2012
Folks, just got my Elite from Best Buy and turned it on, put on the grey and white full screen patterns to check dead pixels or spots and what a disappointment - there are green vertical bars that I can easily see on both white and grey background. They are also visible on the video material with white background like Life BD where they show ice country...
I had somewhat similar problem with 80" 633 set from Costco, and I decided to stretch my budget for Elite just to find same green bars. I do not see any mention of that on this thread but interested in the feedback and solution. I called Best Buy and they are thinking what to do here.
I thought it might be just my eyes, so gathered my family in front of the TV and all of them easily spotted them on the white/grey.
Appreciate thoughts/advise. Are all Sharp panels are prone to this problem or is just two of mine? Otherwise the picture on this set is the best I have seen and I really want to keep this TV but certainly not with green bars that I will see every time the scene has white and green in it..

would you attach the pic of this issue? pls.
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post #11621 of 13284
12/18/12 at 3:57pm
Working to setup my DSLR to find the way to capture them correctly. Will post in the next 60 mins.

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would you attach the pic of this issue? pls.
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post #11622 of 13284
12/18/12 at 4:50pm
Green Bars Pictures
This is not an exaggeration and camera is doing justice. Here is a $7000 Elite 70" TV looks really really bad... Sharp 80LE633U had very much same defect. What is going on? I have a feeling that all new batch Elites are subject to this problem.

BestBuy is trying to make it difficult by saying non-issue, I have to disagree! This is an issue even on $200 TV and certainly an issue on $7000 TV...

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post #11623 of 13284
12/18/12 at 7:16pm
Hmm,

it doesn't look good
What mode do you use?
How it looks in "Game" mode? and how in "THX"?

What BestBuy replied to your pics? Did they see it?
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post #11624 of 13284
12/18/12 at 7:38pm
I am using MovieTHX mode, with LD and AdvLow and tried just Movie, in both cases I see these green bars. I called Best Buy 888 number as instructed, they said, they will be in touch with Vernon Hills, IL store to see if they can help. I offered them pictures but they said that pictures have no value to them. I do not want to go through Sharp warranty service yet, since it will take longer than my return period to get a replacement from Sharp, based on what I read here they can take 3-4 weeks to deliver a replacement and I am also concerned they can ship a refurb to replace this one. I am just trying to figure out if this is current batch only since all other owners do not have this problem not once on this forum.
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post #11625 of 13284
12/18/12 at 8:13pm
We have had our 70" Elite for just about a year. Initially we had a screen problem also.
Once Sharp decided to replace the set (about a week) the replacement came quickly.
It was a brand new unit no question. So unless a major change within their policies
you might have good luck in dealing with Sharp.
Just a thought.
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post #11626 of 13284
12/18/12 at 8:39pm
Thank you for the update, good news indeed. I will have Best Buy do the replacement first and then perhaps I will go to Sharp. Really like the set a lot. Excellent blacks and good colors.
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Originally Posted by JeRed View Post

We have had our 70" Elite for just about a year. Initially we had a screen problem also.
Once Sharp decided to replace the set (about a week) the replacement came quickly.
It was a brand new unit no question. So unless a major change within their policies
you might have good luck in dealing with Sharp.
Just a thought.
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post #11627 of 13284
12/18/12 at 8:54pm
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Originally Posted by JeRed View Post

We have had our 70" Elite for just about a year. Initially we had a screen problem also.
Once Sharp decided to replace the set (about a week) the replacement came quickly.
It was a brand new unit no question. So unless a major change within their policies
you might have good luck in dealing with Sharp.
Just a thought.

Pls. keep us updated.
I'll get my new set in 2 days.
I plan to turn on the TV right a way to brief check by connecting to HTPC while keep delivery people busy drinking my espresso.

Are there any quick test steps?

tnx
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post #11628 of 13284
12/18/12 at 8:56pm
I recommend that you download the Plasma Burn-in Slides from Plasma thread and use them, they have white and grey slides that are good test for uniformity and dead pixels.
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Originally Posted by mikek753 View Post

Pls. keep us updated.
I'll get my new set in 2 days.
I plan to turn on the TV right a way to brief check by connecting to HTPC while keep delivery people busy drinking my espresso.
Are there any quick test steps?
tnx
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post #11629 of 13284
12/18/12 at 9:02pm
Having now seen the Elite I would say never get one of the top Samsungs because they make the Elite look like a Matte panel Also I think from this point on no top panels will be without reflections. You therefore will restrict yourself to the lower panels in the lineup.

I saw the 70" Elite playing Dark Knight and it does do blacks probably even better that my Kuro Elite. Especially when you consider as soon as the light hits the Kuro the blacks start to go grey. Overall it is a great set and want to to replace my 65c8000 with it, but not at the current prices. No way over 5K.luojie
Edited by avsforumsdsd - 12/22/12 at 4:24am
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post #11630 of 13284
12/19/12 at 5:54am
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Having now seen the Elite I would say never get one of the top Samsungs because they make the Elite look like a Matte panel Also I think from this point on no top panels will be without reflections. You therefore will restrict yourself to the lower panels in the lineup.
I saw the 70" Elite playing Dark Knight and it does do blacks probably even better that my Kuro Elite. Especially when you consider as soon as the light hits the Kuro the blacks start to go grey. Overall it is a great set and want to to replace my 65c8000 with it, but not at the current prices. No way over 5K.

what are you trying to communicate with this post? i am baffled.
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post #11631 of 13284
12/19/12 at 12:09pm
Lots of great info here led me to jorder the 60x5! It's is going to be a great step up from the 40 inch non LED Samsung LCD. It gets delivered this Saturday. Will post my thoughts next week. Thanks for the info. Jon
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post #11632 of 13284
12/19/12 at 5:58pm
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Originally Posted by dvzzz View Post

I recommend that you download the Plasma Burn-in Slides from Plasma thread and use them, they have white and grey slides that are good test for uniformity and dead pixels.
I recommend that this is not done at all. Do you know how hard, actually it is probably impossible to get a perfect grey scale on any TV made from side to side and top to bottom. Now if a person notices screen uniformity issues while using there set as normal that is one thing, To test on a grey scale is another..

( I ran a printing press for 12 years unforchantly. On a printing press it is an impossible task to get a perfect grey scale edge to edge. PMS color must be used wink.gif )
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post #11633 of 13284
12/19/12 at 9:38pm
My 70" has some slight uniformity unevenness in the upper left third of the screen with some very subtle yellowing. I notice it in a plain even whitish screen if I'm looking for it.

While watching actual content, I may notice it briefly on some particular horizontal panning scenes once in a very yellow, err, blue moon. Sometimes I expect it and it doesn't show. It does not bother me as much as the occasional pulsing, and otherwise the image is unbelievable, no dead pixels or DSE that isn't in the content.

As it's been said, no TV is perfect. If I'm happy 99.999 % of the time, it's a good thing.
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post #11634 of 13284
12/20/12 at 1:53pm
I just picked up a Darbee Darlet and hooked it up last night between my Preamp and the Elite.

So far I could not see much difference between On and Off. The setting is at 50 right now but I have varied it across its ranges.
Does it matter if it is plugged into Elite's HDMI 1 input? I read somewhere that it does not like the HDMI/ARC combination.

I have only watched blu-ray with it right now and I will view it with different programs over the weekend.

i am surprised I did not see the immediate "wow, this little box is doing some magic" like many other Darbee owners have claimed.
I know there are several Elite owners in this forum have Darbee as well and I would appreciate hearing your opinion about the Elite and Darbee combination.

Thanks
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post #11635 of 13284
12/20/12 at 2:13pm
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Originally Posted by SHadoWFoX View Post

I just picked up a Darbee Darlet and hooked it up last night between my Preamp and the Elite.
So far I could not see much difference between On and Off. The setting is at 50 right now but I have varied it across its ranges.
Does it matter if it is plugged into Elite's HDMI 1 input? I read somewhere that it does not like the HDMI/ARC combination.
I have only watched blu-ray with it right now and I will view it with different programs over the weekend.
i am surprised I did not see the immediate "wow, this little box is doing some magic" like many other Darbee owners have claimed.
I know there are several Elite owners in this forum have Darbee as well and I would appreciate hearing your opinion about the Elite and Darbee combination.
Thanks

I have not picked one up yet, I was going to and came very close but never did. I was holding out for Kevin to get back to me on the topic but time went by and I clean forgot about it. biggrin.gif I suppose I'll just wait until I get some solid feedback from him later on, at the moment I'm just super happy with what I have. wink.gif
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post #11636 of 13284
12/21/12 at 4:57am
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Originally Posted by SHadoWFoX View Post

I just picked up a Darbee Darlet and hooked it up last night between my Preamp and the Elite.
So far I could not see much difference between On and Off. The setting is at 50 right now but I have varied it across its ranges.
Does it matter if it is plugged into Elite's HDMI 1 input? I read somewhere that it does not like the HDMI/ARC combination.
I have only watched blu-ray with it right now and I will view it with different programs over the weekend.
i am surprised I did not see the immediate "wow, this little box is doing some magic" like many other Darbee owners have claimed.
I know there are several Elite owners in this forum have Darbee as well and I would appreciate hearing your opinion about the Elite and Darbee combination.
Thanks

I have used a Darbee with my 70X5 since shortly after they became available. I am very happy with the results. It adds depth to the picture and more detail without any visible edge enhancement or other artifacts. This is for both Blu-ray and good quality cable. My setup places it after a Lumagen Radiance and connects to HDMI 1. No problems with this setup although I do not use ARC. All HDMI cables are 6 feet or longer. Shorter cables can cause problems for some setups. I set 8-9 feet from the screen and generally set it at HD 50. No off angle viewing. Based upon following the Darbee thread, I would say that ~98% of users are very happy with the results. Of the 2%, very few claim they can't see an improvement. If you can't see much of an effect at settings above 50, you may have a bad unit. Try pausing a close up of someone's face on a good PQ Blu-ray and repeatedly do an on/off test. If you can't see a significant difference at 8-9 feet away, send the Darbee back. Good luck.
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post #11637 of 13284
12/21/12 at 8:16am
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Originally Posted by SHadoWFoX View Post

I just picked up a Darbee Darlet and hooked it up last night between my Preamp and the Elite.
So far I could not see much difference between On and Off. The setting is at 50 right now but I have varied it across its ranges.
Does it matter if it is plugged into Elite's HDMI 1 input? I read somewhere that it does not like the HDMI/ARC combination.
I have only watched blu-ray with it right now and I will view it with different programs over the weekend.
i am surprised I did not see the immediate "wow, this little box is doing some magic" like many other Darbee owners have claimed.
I know there are several Elite owners in this forum have Darbee as well and I would appreciate hearing your opinion about the Elite and Darbee combination.
Thanks
I have the Darbee on my 70" Elite.
Going from Direct TV HD DVR to Darbee IN, Darbee OUT to HDMI #1 on the Elite.
I definitely see a difference.
I am set at HD 65%
Close ups of peoples hair, and facial pores really have more details than w/o Darbee.
I really notice it on our local NBC news affiliate
They have some awesome HD cams in studio, and it is one of the best HD PQ's I have seen on my TV
After I got the Darbee, the biggest change I immediately saw was the finer detail in hair and faces. Eyes and eye lashes really do show it also
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post #11638 of 13284
12/21/12 at 10:44am
Thanks for your feedback.

I saw Darbee's enhancement last night while watching TV programs (CNN, ABC). It seems like the intensity of the lighter colored shapes got boost relative to the setting level. For example, in a scene a reporter is wearing a black leather jacket standing outdoor at night. There were light reflection on the creases of the jacket. By adjusting the levels I can see the rendering of those 'reflection' going from dimmer light grey level to bright white (HD 100 which is definitely too high as the reflection no longer looks natural.) I can also see the definition of hair strands becoming more pronounced. I think this is what you guys meant "better depth".

It seems the unit is functional which is good news. Just need to watch more programs to see what it can do which I will have plenty of time for given my company is shutting down till after the new year.

By the way, I now have the setting on HD 55 and still connected to Elite's HDMI 1 input.
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post #11639 of 13284
12/23/12 at 7:43am
After trying and using my darbee for 2 weeks, I sent it back to Amazon for refund. I could never get the up & down so called "sweet spot" when using the remote. My 70" elite looked much better with darbee off and I found that adjusting sharpness on the TV menu was more desirable. Darbee seem to make the picture too artificial and not natural. My 70" is professionally calibrated and has plenty of pop already. Darbee did enhance the picture, but too much for my TV.

Hope that you like yours. I tried settings from 35 to 55. The best for my TV were 38 - 40 percent. Settings higher were overly enhanced. Good Luck; the elite is the best TV I have owned and I haven't had any problems with it since buying it in Feb.
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post #11640 of 13284
12/23/12 at 10:01am
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Green Bars on white and grey backgrounds on 70" Elite made on Nov 2012
Folks, just got my Elite from Best Buy and turned it on, put on the grey and white full screen patterns to check dead pixels or spots and what a disappointment - there are green vertical bars that I can easily see on both white and grey background. They are also visible on the video material with white background like Life BD where they show ice country...
I had somewhat similar problem with 80" 633 set from Costco, and I decided to stretch my budget for Elite just to find same green bars. I do not see any mention of that on this thread but interested in the feedback and solution. I called Best Buy and they are thinking what to do here.
I thought it might be just my eyes, so gathered my family in front of the TV and all of them easily spotted them on the white/grey.
Appreciate thoughts/advise. Are all Sharp panels are prone to this problem or is just two of mine? Otherwise the picture on this set is the best I have seen and I really want to keep this TV but certainly not with green bars that I will see every time the scene has white and green in it..

Did BB replace youe set? Wondering if the replacement looks better.
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