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I went from a pN50C8000 Plasma to this, sort of the same reason, my daughter pretty much watches all 4:3 ccontent with her shows, sometimes I forget to set teh stretch option when I left for work or before bed. Also now with all the xboxx gaming I've been doign image retention was starting to annoy me, took a good hour or two for it to go away sometimes.

The thing that hurts the most is losing that depth and sharpness to a picture even if its Standard definition content that plasma brought.
post #11642 of 14509
Question for N3W813: My 70" with your settings are pretty much make all whites yellowish, I moved all Blues on 10-point from -19 to -5 but still very yellowish. Question is? Do I need to make any changes to 2-point settings? Why is it all glowing yellow?

Thank you.
post #11643 of 14509
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Originally Posted by dvzzz View Post

I have looked at both Quattron and non-Quattron 70" from Sharp - 640 and 845. My take is that among those 2 sets 640 (600) are better choice for picture quality than 845, better blacks, more uniform, I have adjusted them all to the same settings at Magnolia and, frankly, all of them failed miserably the motion test, with 24p processing motion judder was too much and with it on, SOE was just disgusting. Also for some reason, I could not get skin colors to be natural, but with ISF calibration it will be possible. Lastly, viewing angles are worst in class that I have seen. All in all, have him search and find 2011 full-array 70" versions, those perform much better but next to impossible to find anywhere. I could find last year's.
If your friend is willing to do homework, e.g. print all ads and posts from this forums you should be able to swing $5000 from Best Buy for 70".

Thanks for the reply dvzzz
I thought that was going to be the case.
Yes, I wish we could find him a 2011 70735. That one is backlit and looks pretty good. I have a co-worker who got that TV last year and it looks pretty decent.
I wounder why they all went to edge lit. ....To make them thinner???
MY BB won't budge off of the $6999 price.
post #11644 of 14509
Best BUy ISF Calibration Nightmere from Chicago...

Ok.

1. The THX settings provided by nw1136 (intel) have been stunning. Still, with blue/red/green THX glasses I can't get hte color right nad the low end of the grey scale is not perfect
2. So I thought since BB uses the newest Calman (that has auto ISF calibration) this should be fine
3. Dark Room

Basically the guy was clueless. Ended up with a picuture so oversaturated, so messed up that, for example, the inital enemy vessel from the futurein Star Trek 2009 was ALL BLACK ... just hte lights showed.

He could not get the light output right until backlight 100 (which is crazy).

Basically the new calbman auto stuff seems good. Why he used his own is beyond me.

3 hours of my life wasted.

You know, I could just buy the stuff and do this myself. That is not the point. I paid tax , to buy local and get this assuming ti wold not be "perfect" but with autocal in Calman coming damn close, get something reasonable.
post #11645 of 14509
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Originally Posted by obxdiver View Post

Thanks for the reply dvzzz
I thought that was going to be the case.
Yes, I wish we could find him a 2011 70735. That one is backlit and looks pretty good. I have a co-worker who got that TV last year and it looks pretty decent.
I wounder why they all went to edge lit. ....To make them thinner???
MY BB won't budge off of the $6999 price.

BB matched a local store price at PC Richard and Sons (5649 I think) for me a few weeks ago...
post #11646 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Evangelo2 View Post

BB matched a local store price at PC Richard and Sons (5649 I think) for me a few weeks ago...
Thanks for the tip.
I had read about a BB in Danbary CT was letting the 70" Elite go for $5299. I read that by several people in anther thread on AVS
Sharp Elite Prices
I just called that store, and inquired about this online price info that others had gotten.
The lady cut me off before I could finish. She knew about those prices and confirmed that they sold some 70's at that price.
However, she quickly said that that price is no longer being offered and that the price now is $7499
AND she said they can't get them anymore. They are on backorder rolleyes.gif
post #11647 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

My friend had it happen twice on his 70. They eventually replaced the display. This seems to happen more on the 70s as opposed to the 60s. You'd think they're using the same sensor in both, so I have no idea why this should be.


Thanks for the info. Mine is a 70" as well. Not sure if Best Buy will put in another sensor or just what. They are suppose to come by today.
post #11648 of 14509
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Originally Posted by dvzzz View Post

Question for N3W813: My 70" with your settings are pretty much make all whites yellowish, I moved all Blues on 10-point from -19 to -5 but still very yellowish. Question is? Do I need to make any changes to 2-point settings? Why is it all glowing yellow?
Thank you.

First of all, for those who can't seem to remember my nickname.... tongue.gif

N3W813 = NEWBIE wink.gif (or just call me newb)

To answer dvzzz's question, could it be that you are not used to 6500K grayscale and/or have gotten used to a cooler (6500K+) grayscale? Could be the display characteristics of your particular set is very different from mine.

Try this, cycle through the Color Temp setting from Low to High and let me know which setting looks 'right' to you. smile.gif
post #11649 of 14509
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Rad, there Is a review in the current Home Theater Magazine that absolutely raved about the unit. The writer indicated he's never been a fan of processors until seeing this one. He could only see improvements in the picture and no ill-effects. It was one of the most praising reviews on equipment you'll see. smile.gif

I'll look into it thx buddy, I'll probably just go out and pick one up sometime down the road just not sure when. It's the best way to see for myself what going on, hopefully I like the effect. biggrin.gif
post #11650 of 14509
So what is the real advantage (given NEWBIE settings showing how well it works) of calibrating in ISF vs. THX?


It sounds like the automted Calman in ISF mode is a failure....
post #11651 of 14509
hi experts,

in what mode I can set everything to my needs?
I'd like to set post processing to none,
60 hz input with 120 or 240 panel refresh
this is for Game, but with ability to have correct color profile (gamma, etc)
another mode I need for photo - less depend on lag, but more for correct color


tnx
post #11652 of 14509
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Originally Posted by obxdiver View Post

Yes, I wish we could find him a 2011 70735. That one is backlit and looks pretty good. I have a co-worker who got that TV last year and it looks pretty decent.
I wounder why they all went to edge lit. ....To make them thinner???
That is a BIG play on words. The 735 is back lit but it is NOT local dimming. The bulbs are in a cluster in the back of the TV. That version of back lit is no better than edge lit. Has all the same anomalies and issues that a NON local dimming LED unit has.
post #11653 of 14509
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Originally Posted by sjchmura View Post

So what is the real advantage (given NEWBIE settings showing how well it works) of calibrating in ISF vs. THX?
It sounds like the automted Calman in ISF mode is a failure....
It is not a failure, it's just not a substitute for a human brain. It gets you in the ballpark. Then you can tweak it manually. Calibration is far from an exact science. There's a lot of interaction between levels and colors - fix one and break the other. It can drive you nuts sometimes - or recursively rampant if you're a piece of software biggrin.gif.The Elite is particularly tricky in some areas because of the Quatron RGBY technology.

The ISF modes have a significantly greater level of granularity for their adjustments - e.g. the gamma has + or - 16 levels, versus + or - 2 for THX and the other modes.
post #11654 of 14509
Thanks, N3W813, unfortunately, I am without a TV now. They delivered a replacement set today, also from Nov 2012 batch and I turned it on while driver was waiting and BOOM, same green dirty bars/spots all over the screen plus Dirty Screen Effect that is very pronounced. The driver saw it all right away and he said "Wow, this TV costs more than my car by pictures has more problems than my $1000 TV..." So disappointed!
mad.gif
Best Buy Sales Manager at the store today convinced me to try another unit since when he called Sharp rep about this issue they said this issue is known but is extremely limited, talking about being lucky, I must have gotten the two defective in the entire batch.

All in all I am just floored, Elite/Sharp must have laid off all of their QA departments. On the Sony XBR forum, guys have been struggling with similar issues for a long time since HX929 times and some of them had to take Sony to court to get a replacement. Elite is apparently listening, I got a call from Elite rep asking if they can help but really did not offer a solution of any kind, just told me to work with Best Buy.

I will try to get a third set from Best Buy and if it has an issue, I will just have to make more noise about it in social networks. Sharp is obviously is in dire financial trouble but they cannot forgo quality control on the $8000 sets. People do not value much the cost of time and energy wasted when they are dealing with complex 70" TV exchanges/replacements, I am experiencing it now, instead of taking kids to the city to see lights or go skiing I am sitting home waiting for a TV to be delivered from 2-6pm window:(

Thanks.



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Originally Posted by N3W813 View Post

First of all, for those who can't seem to remember my nickname.... tongue.gif
N3W813 = NEWBIE wink.gif (or just call me newb)
To answer dvzzz's question, could it be that you are not used to 6500K grayscale and/or have gotten used to a cooler (6500K+) grayscale? Could be the display characteristics of your particular set is very different from mine.
Try this, cycle through the Color Temp setting from Low to High and let me know which setting looks 'right' to you. smile.gif
post #11655 of 14509
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Originally Posted by obxdiver View Post

Thanks for the reply dvzzz
I thought that was going to be the case.
Yes, I wish we could find him a 2011 70735. That one is backlit and looks pretty good. I have a co-worker who got that TV last year and it looks pretty decent.
I wounder why they all went to edge lit. ....To make them thinner???
MY BB won't budge off of the $6999 price.

My BB price matched an On-Line Retailer.
post #11656 of 14509
Dear friends: I bought an Sharp elite 70" model. I live in Brazil. The tv is wonderful and I'm very happy with it. I don't use the 3d very much, but comparing to other tv brands it goes years ahead. I have a doubt, however. It may sound stupid, but I'm a newbye on the subject. When it comes the time to change the glasses's batteries how do I change them? The user manual is silent about that. Are the batteries of the same standard as the others? I'd much appreciate your helping me in this regard and wish you all a happy new year. Waltie
post #11657 of 14509
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Originally Posted by sjchmura View Post

Best BUy ISF Calibration Nightmere from Chicago...
Ok.
1. The THX settings provided by nw1136 (intel) have been stunning. Still, with blue/red/green THX glasses I can't get hte color right nad the low end of the grey scale is not perfect
2. So I thought since BB uses the newest Calman (that has auto ISF calibration) this should be fine
3. Dark Room
Basically the guy was clueless. Ended up with a picuture so oversaturated, so messed up that, for example, the inital enemy vessel from the futurein Star Trek 2009 was ALL BLACK ... just hte lights showed.
He could not get the light output right until backlight 100 (which is crazy).
Basically the new calbman auto stuff seems good. Why he used his own is beyond me.
3 hours of my life wasted.
You know, I could just buy the stuff and do this myself. That is not the point. I paid tax , to buy local and get this assuming ti wold not be "perfect" but with autocal in Calman coming damn close, get something reasonable.

if you're willing to give ISF another go, i highly recommend Chad B. he did a phenomenal job with my elite.
post #11658 of 14509
I have seen reference to the build date of these Elite's and wondered where I can find the build date on my 70" Elite. I do not have the original box. Thanks.
post #11659 of 14509
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Originally Posted by waltie View Post

Dear friends: I bought an Sharp elite 70" model. I live in Brazil. The tv is wonderful and I'm very happy with it. I don't use the 3d very much, but comparing to other tv brands it goes years ahead. I have a doubt, however. It may sound stupid, but I'm a newbye on the subject. When it comes the time to change the glasses's batteries how do I change them? The user manual is silent about that. Are the batteries of the same standard as the others? I'd much appreciate your helping me in this regard and wish you all a happy new year. Waltie

I do not know if the charging process is the same in your country as it is in the US but here my owners manual says to use the mini USB plug and plug it into the glasses and connect it to the TV USB port to charge the glasses. The manual says to turn off the TV first, insert the USB cable and turn the TV back on and charge for an hour and a half. It's kind of a pain as the 2 USB ports on the TV are in different places if you want to charge both sets of glasses at once. I have read that some people have been charging them with their computers USB ports and it worked fine. As for the batteries. As far as I can tell from the manual they are not replaceable batteries so I guess you just throw away the glasses and buy new ones if the batteries go out.
post #11660 of 14509
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Originally Posted by AnotherDude View Post

For LCD/LED some recommend 100-hour break-in period, no special slides.

Nope. No break-in required for Led-Lcd sets.

The only reason it's generally recommended for PDPs is so that you don't run the risk of image retention while the phosphors are at their most vulnerable. There are no phosphors to worry about in an led-lcd.
post #11661 of 14509
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Originally Posted by mrcarnut View Post

I do not know if the charging process is the same in your country as it is in the US but here my owners manual says to use the mini USB plug and plug it into the glasses and connect it to the TV USB port to charge the glasses. The manual says to turn off the TV first, insert the USB cable and turn the TV back on and charge for an hour and a half. It's kind of a pain as the 2 USB ports on the TV are in different places if you want to charge both sets of glasses at once. I have read that some people have been charging them with their computers USB ports and it worked fine. As for the batteries. As far as I can tell from the manual they are not replaceable batteries so I guess you just throw away the glasses and buy new ones if the batteries go out.

any USB port will work fine. i have charged mine with my receiver, PC, oppo, etc.
post #11662 of 14509
My glasses came here with the batteries low and I plugged them in the tv set. It recharged them right, though the procedure didn't take as long as one hour. I hope that the batteries will have a reasonable spare life. Thank you a lot for the information. It was vey kind of you.
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by dvzzz View Post

Thanks, N3W813, unfortunately, I am without a TV now. They delivered a replacement set today, also from Nov 2012 batch and I turned it on while driver was waiting and BOOM, same green dirty bars/spots all over the screen plus Dirty Screen Effect that is very pronounced. The driver saw it all right away and he said "Wow, this TV costs more than my car by pictures has more problems than my $1000 TV..." So disappointed!
mad.gif
Best Buy Sales Manager at the store today convinced me to try another unit since when he called Sharp rep about this issue they said this issue is known but is extremely limited, talking about being lucky, I must have gotten the two defective in the entire batch.
All in all I am just floored, Elite/Sharp must have laid off all of their QA departments. On the Sony XBR forum, guys have been struggling with similar issues for a long time since HX929 times and some of them had to take Sony to court to get a replacement. Elite is apparently listening, I got a call from Elite rep asking if they can help but really did not offer a solution of any kind, just told me to work with Best Buy.
I will try to get a third set from Best Buy and if it has an issue, I will just have to make more noise about it in social networks. Sharp is obviously is in dire financial trouble but they cannot forgo quality control on the $8000 sets. People do not value much the cost of time and energy wasted when they are dealing with complex 70" TV exchanges/replacements, I am experiencing it now, instead of taking kids to the city to see lights or go skiing I am sitting home waiting for a TV to be delivered from 2-6pm window:(
Thanks.

Hang in there dvzzz, Sharp is going through some tough times right now and may not survive in the end I hope they do though. If your willing to be persistent and patient I'm sure you will eventually get a non defective Elite, and let me tell you it's worth all the trouble in the end. Lot's of luck with your next replacement, the odds are in your favor that this will all work out eventually keep us posted. wink.gif
post #11664 of 14509
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Originally Posted by dvzzz View Post

Thanks, N3W813, unfortunately, I am without a TV now. They delivered a replacement set today, also from Nov 2012 batch and I turned it on while driver was waiting and BOOM, same green dirty bars/spots all over the screen plus Dirty Screen Effect that is very pronounced. The driver saw it all right away and he said "Wow, this TV costs more than my car by pictures has more problems than my $1000 TV..." So disappointed!
mad.gif
Best Buy Sales Manager at the store today convinced me to try another unit since when he called Sharp rep about this issue they said this issue is known but is extremely limited, talking about being lucky, I must have gotten the two defective in the entire batch.
All in all I am just floored, Elite/Sharp must have laid off all of their QA departments. On the Sony XBR forum, guys have been struggling with similar issues for a long time since HX929 times and some of them had to take Sony to court to get a replacement. Elite is apparently listening, I got a call from Elite rep asking if they can help but really did not offer a solution of any kind, just told me to work with Best Buy.
I will try to get a third set from Best Buy and if it has an issue, I will just have to make more noise about it in social networks. Sharp is obviously is in dire financial trouble but they cannot forgo quality control on the $8000 sets. People do not value much the cost of time and energy wasted when they are dealing with complex 70" TV exchanges/replacements, I am experiencing it now, instead of taking kids to the city to see lights or go skiing I am sitting home waiting for a TV to be delivered from 2-6pm window:(
Thanks.


dvzzz.. Sorry to hear about your situation. Especially after spending that kind of money. My set from BB doesn't come till Jan. 4. So as soon as I get it, I'll run the slides to check for screen uniformitys. And btw, how do I check the set for the build date?
post #11665 of 14509
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Originally Posted by sjchmura View Post

Best BUy ISF Calibration Nightmere from Chicago...
Thanks for your calibration report. I've added it to the flat panel (Post#2) lists that are linked in the signature area at the bottom of my post. Best Buy calibrations have their own section at the top of post number two.
post #11666 of 14509
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Originally Posted by [Irishman] View Post

Nope. No break-in required for Led-Lcd sets.
The only reason it's generally recommended for PDPs is so that you don't run the risk of image retention while the phosphors are at their most vulnerable. There are no phosphors to worry about in an led-lcd.

The wait 100 hours recommendation is usually given to someone who is going to have the set professionally calibrated. Colors etc. may not change but other problems "out of the box" should appear before the buyer wastes ~$400 on a calibration.
post #11667 of 14509
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Originally Posted by rhed View Post

dvzzz.. Sorry to hear about your situation. Especially after spending that kind of money. My set from BB doesn't come till Jan. 4. So as soon as I get it, I'll run the slides to check for screen uniformitys. And btw, how do I check the set for the build date?

Check the bar code on the end of the box. Mine says Aug2011.
post #11668 of 14509
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Originally Posted by waltie View Post

Dear friends: I bought an Sharp elite 70" model. I live in Brazil. The tv is wonderful and I'm very happy with it. I don't use the 3d very much, but comparing to other tv brands it goes years ahead. I have a doubt, however. It may sound stupid, but I'm a newbye on the subject. When it comes the time to change the glasses's batteries how do I change them? The user manual is silent about that. Are the batteries of the same standard as the others? I'd much appreciate your helping me in this regard and wish you all a happy new year. Waltie

The glasses that come with the ELITE are rechargeable, you shouldn't have to replace the batteries in them.
post #11669 of 14509
I am going to purchase the 70" Elite and have received a very good price from one of AVS's sponsors. My fingers are ready to do it but I have one blocking wall stopping me right now and that is CES.

I am thinking CES might give us a little more information regarding rather the Elite will be no more OR is Sharp coming out with a generation two?

I know, if there is a generation two, it will be more expensive but maybe the buggs have been fix.

What say you Elite owners of the 70"??????????



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post #11670 of 14509
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Originally Posted by JimShaw View Post

I am going to purchase the 70" Elite and have received a very good price from one of AVS's sponsors. My fingers are ready to do it but I have one blocking wall stopping me right now and that is CES.
I am thinking CES might give us a little more information regarding rather the Elite will be no more OR is Sharp coming out with a generation two?
I know, if there is a generation two, it will be more expensive but maybe the buggs have been fix.
What say you Elite owners of the 70"??????????
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I'm not an owner (yet) but have been looking at picking up an Elite myself. I decided to wait a couple of weeks and see what's new on the horizon. If nothing exciting is out there then I can go for an Elite. If it looks like there will be a second generation Elite then I can see what changes they will have and weigh my choices then. I'm not in a bind for a set so I have time. Only thing that might throw a wrench in that plan is if the current Elites sell out or stock gets real low and no changes are announced. As close as CES is (2 weeks) I would kick myself if I bought now and they made some changes I felt were worth waiting for.

Just my $.02 wink.gif
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