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Originally Posted by dvzzz View Post

Green Bars on white and grey backgrounds on 70" Elite made on Nov 2012
Folks, just got my Elite from Best Buy and turned it on, put on the grey and white full screen patterns to check dead pixels or spots and what a disappointment - there are green vertical bars that I can easily see on both white and grey background. They are also visible on the video material with white background like Life BD where they show ice country...
I had somewhat similar problem with 80" 633 set from Costco, and I decided to stretch my budget for Elite just to find same green bars. I do not see any mention of that on this thread but interested in the feedback and solution. I called Best Buy and they are thinking what to do here.
I thought it might be just my eyes, so gathered my family in front of the TV and all of them easily spotted them on the white/grey.
Appreciate thoughts/advise. Are all Sharp panels are prone to this problem or is just two of mine? Otherwise the picture on this set is the best I have seen and I really want to keep this TV but certainly not with green bars that I will see every time the scene has white and green in it..

Hmm.. I just bought mines from Magnolia with the 4 year insurance plan. My 70X5 doesn't get delivered till Jan.4. This will be my first LED set. How do you check a LED set for screen uniformitys? Will it be the same way as a plasma? When I first got my Pio Elite 151FD I ran D-nice slides. And didn't notice any dead pixels or banding. But that's a plasma.
post #11642 of 13284
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Originally Posted by rhed View Post

Hmm.. I just bought mines from Magnolia with the 4 year insurance plan. My 70X5 doesn't get delivered till Jan.4. This will be my first LED set. How do you check a LED set for screen uniformitys? Will it be the same way as a plasma? When I first got my Pio Elite 151FD I ran D-nice slides. And didn't notice any dead pixels or banding. But that's a plasma.

Use the same slides to check for dead pixels and screen uniformity.
post #11643 of 13284
No not yet. It is an ordeal to say the least... Once local store sold it, they do not want anything to do with it, I was told to call Corporate 800 number, folks there have taken me on a week long "hold and wait" finally went to the store and demanded the exchange, reluctantly Magnolia manager told me that he would schedule a replacement. Well now next Thu we will know what comes as an exchange. Somehow, I am not optimistic but I did order a AC power conditioner to rule out dirty AC (I know I know it is dumb statement, AC cannot cause Green Bars but...)




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Originally Posted by motoman View Post

Did BB replace youe set? Wondering if the replacement looks better.
post #11644 of 13284
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Originally Posted by dvzzz View Post

No not yet. It is an ordeal to say the least... Once local store sold it, they do not want anything to do with it, I was told to call Corporate 800 number, folks there have taken me on a week long "hold and wait" finally went to the store and demanded the exchange, reluctantly Magnolia manager told me that he would schedule a replacement. Well now next Thu we will know what comes as an exchange. Somehow, I am not optimistic but I did order a AC power conditioner to rule out dirty AC (I know I know it is dumb statement, AC cannot cause Green Bars but...)

Good luck to you. BB should not be giving you these kinds of problems to exchange a defective set. Hope it all works out.
Edited by motoman - 12/23/12 at 5:04pm
post #11645 of 13284
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Originally Posted by RadTech51 View Post

I have not picked one up yet, I was going to and came very close but never did. I was holding out for Kevin to get back to me on the topic but time went by and I clean forgot about it. biggrin.gif I suppose I'll just wait until I get some solid feedback from him later on, at the moment I'm just super happy with what I have. wink.gif

Rad, there Is a review in the current Home Theater Magazine that absolutely raved about the unit. The writer indicated he's never been a fan of processors until seeing this one. He could only see improvements in the picture and no ill-effects. It was one of the most praising reviews on equipment you'll see. smile.gif
post #11646 of 13284
Back in October I posted that the Geek Squad replaced the small IR sensor circuit board in my 70" Elite and fixed the problem of the Elite not responding to my remotes. Well last Thursday it started happening again. Has anyone else had this happen to them twice? The Geek Squad is coming out to house again on Wednesday.
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My friend had it happen twice on his 70. They eventually replaced the display. This seems to happen more on the 70s as opposed to the 60s. You'd think they're using the same sensor in both, so I have no idea why this should be.
post #11648 of 13284
Merry Christmas to All
I have a friend who really wants a 70" Elite. The best price we can find him is ~$6200 shipped.
He still can't swing that much cash.
Does anyone here have any info or opinion on the non elite Sharp 70" displays?
They have 7 different 70" models on their website. That seems kinda crazy to have that many 70" models..
Here is a link
Sharp Non-Elite 70" TV's

The Elite's are not even on the Sharp website, so you can count that as 8 different 70" TV's
He could swing the cash for any of the non-Elite TV's but he really wants 70"
He also wants 3D, so that narrows it down to 5 I think.
They are all edge lit and none have local dimming.

Any ideas from you guys in this thread on these sets?
Has anyone seen one in someone's living room, not at a store?
Edited by obxdiver - 12/25/12 at 5:54am
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I'm enjoying the TV. Amazing pic quality!

However, I’m having a hard time connecting to the internet.

IN “Wireless Setup,” I hit “Search.” I found my SSID and entered the password.

It worked, but when I hit “Initialize,” it gets disconnected.

I also exited without hitting “Intialize,” and went to IP Setup.

After changing everything to Auto, the “Test” failed.

Did anyone else have a problem with this or knows how to resolve it?

Any help would be great.

Thanks!
Edited by ns88 - 12/25/12 at 9:41am
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I have looked at both Quattron and non-Quattron 70" from Sharp - 640 and 845. My take is that among those 2 sets 640 (600) are better choice for picture quality than 845, better blacks, more uniform, I have adjusted them all to the same settings at Magnolia and, frankly, all of them failed miserably the motion test, with 24p processing motion judder was too much and with it on, SOE was just disgusting. Also for some reason, I could not get skin colors to be natural, but with ISF calibration it will be possible. Lastly, viewing angles are worst in class that I have seen. All in all, have him search and find 2011 full-array 70" versions, those perform much better but next to impossible to find anywhere. I could find last year's.

If your friend is willing to do homework, e.g. print all ads and posts from this forums you should be able to swing $5000 from Best Buy for 70".



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Originally Posted by obxdiver View Post

Merry Christmas to All
I have a friend who really wants a 70" Elite. The best price we can find him is ~$6200 shipped.
He still can't swing that much cash.
Does anyone here have any info or opinion on the non elite Sharp 70" displays?
They have 7 different 70" models on their website. That seems kinda crazy to have that many 70" models..
Here is a link
Sharp Non-Elite 70" TV's
The Elite's are not even on the Sharp website, so you can count that as 8 different 70" TV's
He could swing the cash for any of the non-Elite TV's but he really wants 70"
He also wants 3D, so that narrows it down to 5 I think.
They are all edge lit and none have local dimming.
Any ideas from you guys in this thread on these sets?
Has anyone seen one in someone's living room, not at a store?
post #11651 of 13284
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Originally Posted by dvzzz View Post

Green Bars Pictures
This is not an exaggeration and camera is doing justice. Here is a $7000 Elite 70" TV looks really really bad... Sharp 80LE633U had very much same defect. What is going on? I have a feeling that all new batch Elites are subject to this problem.
BestBuy is trying to make it difficult by saying non-issue, I have to disagree! This is an issue even on $200 TV and certainly an issue on $7000 TV...


Looking at this thread to drool I noticed your picture. I am curious to know how it is with a 10-20% grey on the right hand side as well? my Sharp 70LE847 is exhibiting the same exact issue, Mine gets very dark, and with white/light grey I get a similar look to what you have in your pictures.

Its not noticeable in pretty much most normal viewing aside from a few small instances which made me break out the test colors. I am waiting to hear back from sharp about sending pictures for them to see if they want to replace the unit.


This photo doesnt show it as well as it is in person, its quite noticeable like your picture. (sorry for cell phone pic)



and its even worse as it gets darker

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As I get darker grey patterns up green still shows, in fact I see color disturbance with darker grey, these bars impact all colors if you pay attention, even during normal viewing. They are changing red more to yellow, etc. Every test pattern I ran, I still can see them, except bright Blue.

I had same green defect "beard" on previous 80LE633U unit that I returned because Sharp told this is normal. 80LE633 was built in October 2012, this Elite is November 2012, but green is very obvious on ALL HDMI channels. I emailed Sharp's Elite support to see if Elite will accept that they have problems with panels, but given that everyone on all Elite forums have not see this problem ever before is reassuring and I might get a perfect set after all if not I will just return to 55" IPS-based set and wait for the technology to mature or for Sharp to get better. I wish I could manage palsma in my environment but my family watches a lot of international programming on Roku and those are mostly in 4:3 and 2012 Panasonics will burn-in for sure.


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Originally Posted by Shady195 View Post

Looking at this thread to drool I noticed your picture. I am curious to know how it is with a 10-20% grey on the right hand side as well? my Sharp 70LE847 is exhibiting the same exact issue, Mine gets very dark, and with white/light grey I get a similar look to what you have in your pictures.
Its not noticeable in pretty much most normal viewing aside from a few small instances which made me break out the test colors. I am waiting to hear back from sharp about sending pictures for them to see if they want to replace the unit.
This photo doesnt show it as well as it is in person, its quite noticeable like your picture. (sorry for cell phone pic)

and its even worse as it gets darker
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I went from a pN50C8000 Plasma to this, sort of the same reason, my daughter pretty much watches all 4:3 ccontent with her shows, sometimes I forget to set teh stretch option when I left for work or before bed. Also now with all the xboxx gaming I've been doign image retention was starting to annoy me, took a good hour or two for it to go away sometimes.

The thing that hurts the most is losing that depth and sharpness to a picture even if its Standard definition content that plasma brought.
post #11654 of 13284
Question for N3W813: My 70" with your settings are pretty much make all whites yellowish, I moved all Blues on 10-point from -19 to -5 but still very yellowish. Question is? Do I need to make any changes to 2-point settings? Why is it all glowing yellow?

Thank you.
post #11655 of 13284
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Originally Posted by dvzzz View Post

I have looked at both Quattron and non-Quattron 70" from Sharp - 640 and 845. My take is that among those 2 sets 640 (600) are better choice for picture quality than 845, better blacks, more uniform, I have adjusted them all to the same settings at Magnolia and, frankly, all of them failed miserably the motion test, with 24p processing motion judder was too much and with it on, SOE was just disgusting. Also for some reason, I could not get skin colors to be natural, but with ISF calibration it will be possible. Lastly, viewing angles are worst in class that I have seen. All in all, have him search and find 2011 full-array 70" versions, those perform much better but next to impossible to find anywhere. I could find last year's.
If your friend is willing to do homework, e.g. print all ads and posts from this forums you should be able to swing $5000 from Best Buy for 70".

Thanks for the reply dvzzz
I thought that was going to be the case.
Yes, I wish we could find him a 2011 70735. That one is backlit and looks pretty good. I have a co-worker who got that TV last year and it looks pretty decent.
I wounder why they all went to edge lit. ....To make them thinner???
MY BB won't budge off of the $6999 price.
post #11656 of 13284
Best BUy ISF Calibration Nightmere from Chicago...

Ok.

1. The THX settings provided by nw1136 (intel) have been stunning. Still, with blue/red/green THX glasses I can't get hte color right nad the low end of the grey scale is not perfect
2. So I thought since BB uses the newest Calman (that has auto ISF calibration) this should be fine
3. Dark Room

Basically the guy was clueless. Ended up with a picuture so oversaturated, so messed up that, for example, the inital enemy vessel from the futurein Star Trek 2009 was ALL BLACK ... just hte lights showed.

He could not get the light output right until backlight 100 (which is crazy).

Basically the new calbman auto stuff seems good. Why he used his own is beyond me.

3 hours of my life wasted.

You know, I could just buy the stuff and do this myself. That is not the point. I paid tax , to buy local and get this assuming ti wold not be "perfect" but with autocal in Calman coming damn close, get something reasonable.
post #11657 of 13284
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Originally Posted by obxdiver View Post

Thanks for the reply dvzzz
I thought that was going to be the case.
Yes, I wish we could find him a 2011 70735. That one is backlit and looks pretty good. I have a co-worker who got that TV last year and it looks pretty decent.
I wounder why they all went to edge lit. ....To make them thinner???
MY BB won't budge off of the $6999 price.

BB matched a local store price at PC Richard and Sons (5649 I think) for me a few weeks ago...
post #11658 of 13284
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Originally Posted by Evangelo2 View Post

BB matched a local store price at PC Richard and Sons (5649 I think) for me a few weeks ago...
Thanks for the tip.
I had read about a BB in Danbary CT was letting the 70" Elite go for $5299. I read that by several people in anther thread on AVS
Sharp Elite Prices
I just called that store, and inquired about this online price info that others had gotten.
The lady cut me off before I could finish. She knew about those prices and confirmed that they sold some 70's at that price.
However, she quickly said that that price is no longer being offered and that the price now is $7499
AND she said they can't get them anymore. They are on backorder rolleyes.gif
post #11659 of 13284
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

My friend had it happen twice on his 70. They eventually replaced the display. This seems to happen more on the 70s as opposed to the 60s. You'd think they're using the same sensor in both, so I have no idea why this should be.


Thanks for the info. Mine is a 70" as well. Not sure if Best Buy will put in another sensor or just what. They are suppose to come by today.
post #11660 of 13284
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Originally Posted by dvzzz View Post

Question for N3W813: My 70" with your settings are pretty much make all whites yellowish, I moved all Blues on 10-point from -19 to -5 but still very yellowish. Question is? Do I need to make any changes to 2-point settings? Why is it all glowing yellow?
Thank you.

First of all, for those who can't seem to remember my nickname.... tongue.gif

N3W813 = NEWBIE wink.gif (or just call me newb)

To answer dvzzz's question, could it be that you are not used to 6500K grayscale and/or have gotten used to a cooler (6500K+) grayscale? Could be the display characteristics of your particular set is very different from mine.

Try this, cycle through the Color Temp setting from Low to High and let me know which setting looks 'right' to you. smile.gif
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Rad, there Is a review in the current Home Theater Magazine that absolutely raved about the unit. The writer indicated he's never been a fan of processors until seeing this one. He could only see improvements in the picture and no ill-effects. It was one of the most praising reviews on equipment you'll see. smile.gif

I'll look into it thx buddy, I'll probably just go out and pick one up sometime down the road just not sure when. It's the best way to see for myself what going on, hopefully I like the effect. biggrin.gif
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So what is the real advantage (given NEWBIE settings showing how well it works) of calibrating in ISF vs. THX?


It sounds like the automted Calman in ISF mode is a failure....
post #11663 of 13284
hi experts,

in what mode I can set everything to my needs?
I'd like to set post processing to none,
60 hz input with 120 or 240 panel refresh
this is for Game, but with ability to have correct color profile (gamma, etc)
another mode I need for photo - less depend on lag, but more for correct color


tnx
post #11664 of 13284
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Originally Posted by obxdiver View Post

Yes, I wish we could find him a 2011 70735. That one is backlit and looks pretty good. I have a co-worker who got that TV last year and it looks pretty decent.
I wounder why they all went to edge lit. ....To make them thinner???
That is a BIG play on words. The 735 is back lit but it is NOT local dimming. The bulbs are in a cluster in the back of the TV. That version of back lit is no better than edge lit. Has all the same anomalies and issues that a NON local dimming LED unit has.
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post #11665 of 13284
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Originally Posted by sjchmura View Post

So what is the real advantage (given NEWBIE settings showing how well it works) of calibrating in ISF vs. THX?
It sounds like the automted Calman in ISF mode is a failure....
It is not a failure, it's just not a substitute for a human brain. It gets you in the ballpark. Then you can tweak it manually. Calibration is far from an exact science. There's a lot of interaction between levels and colors - fix one and break the other. It can drive you nuts sometimes - or recursively rampant if you're a piece of software biggrin.gif.The Elite is particularly tricky in some areas because of the Quatron RGBY technology.

The ISF modes have a significantly greater level of granularity for their adjustments - e.g. the gamma has + or - 16 levels, versus + or - 2 for THX and the other modes.
post #11666 of 13284
Thanks, N3W813, unfortunately, I am without a TV now. They delivered a replacement set today, also from Nov 2012 batch and I turned it on while driver was waiting and BOOM, same green dirty bars/spots all over the screen plus Dirty Screen Effect that is very pronounced. The driver saw it all right away and he said "Wow, this TV costs more than my car by pictures has more problems than my $1000 TV..." So disappointed!
mad.gif
Best Buy Sales Manager at the store today convinced me to try another unit since when he called Sharp rep about this issue they said this issue is known but is extremely limited, talking about being lucky, I must have gotten the two defective in the entire batch.

All in all I am just floored, Elite/Sharp must have laid off all of their QA departments. On the Sony XBR forum, guys have been struggling with similar issues for a long time since HX929 times and some of them had to take Sony to court to get a replacement. Elite is apparently listening, I got a call from Elite rep asking if they can help but really did not offer a solution of any kind, just told me to work with Best Buy.

I will try to get a third set from Best Buy and if it has an issue, I will just have to make more noise about it in social networks. Sharp is obviously is in dire financial trouble but they cannot forgo quality control on the $8000 sets. People do not value much the cost of time and energy wasted when they are dealing with complex 70" TV exchanges/replacements, I am experiencing it now, instead of taking kids to the city to see lights or go skiing I am sitting home waiting for a TV to be delivered from 2-6pm window:(

Thanks.



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Originally Posted by N3W813 View Post

First of all, for those who can't seem to remember my nickname.... tongue.gif
N3W813 = NEWBIE wink.gif (or just call me newb)
To answer dvzzz's question, could it be that you are not used to 6500K grayscale and/or have gotten used to a cooler (6500K+) grayscale? Could be the display characteristics of your particular set is very different from mine.
Try this, cycle through the Color Temp setting from Low to High and let me know which setting looks 'right' to you. smile.gif
post #11667 of 13284
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Originally Posted by obxdiver View Post

Thanks for the reply dvzzz
I thought that was going to be the case.
Yes, I wish we could find him a 2011 70735. That one is backlit and looks pretty good. I have a co-worker who got that TV last year and it looks pretty decent.
I wounder why they all went to edge lit. ....To make them thinner???
MY BB won't budge off of the $6999 price.

My BB price matched an On-Line Retailer.
post #11668 of 13284
Dear friends: I bought an Sharp elite 70" model. I live in Brazil. The tv is wonderful and I'm very happy with it. I don't use the 3d very much, but comparing to other tv brands it goes years ahead. I have a doubt, however. It may sound stupid, but I'm a newbye on the subject. When it comes the time to change the glasses's batteries how do I change them? The user manual is silent about that. Are the batteries of the same standard as the others? I'd much appreciate your helping me in this regard and wish you all a happy new year. Waltie
post #11669 of 13284
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Originally Posted by sjchmura View Post

Best BUy ISF Calibration Nightmere from Chicago...
Ok.
1. The THX settings provided by nw1136 (intel) have been stunning. Still, with blue/red/green THX glasses I can't get hte color right nad the low end of the grey scale is not perfect
2. So I thought since BB uses the newest Calman (that has auto ISF calibration) this should be fine
3. Dark Room
Basically the guy was clueless. Ended up with a picuture so oversaturated, so messed up that, for example, the inital enemy vessel from the futurein Star Trek 2009 was ALL BLACK ... just hte lights showed.
He could not get the light output right until backlight 100 (which is crazy).
Basically the new calbman auto stuff seems good. Why he used his own is beyond me.
3 hours of my life wasted.
You know, I could just buy the stuff and do this myself. That is not the point. I paid tax , to buy local and get this assuming ti wold not be "perfect" but with autocal in Calman coming damn close, get something reasonable.

if you're willing to give ISF another go, i highly recommend Chad B. he did a phenomenal job with my elite.
post #11670 of 13284
I have seen reference to the build date of these Elite's and wondered where I can find the build date on my 70" Elite. I do not have the original box. Thanks.
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