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post #11791 of 14509
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Originally Posted by dvzzz View Post

DSC_1333 grey pattern.jpg 1291k .jpg file Folks, my back and forth with Sharp continues on the unit number 3. Sharp has asked to photograph more, I was able to capture better shots. Please take a look and tell me if I am inventing things. This is in THX Movie mode with local dimming on. Somehow I can see all these issues while Sharp engineers cannot. Hope these photos will help them see. If your screens look look similar to minewith Calman Field 50% grey pattern then I will quit bothering everyone. This TV#3 is much better than units #1 and #2 but not normal in my eyes. I am seriously thinking about checking with an eye doctor but then I have to take my wife and 4 kids with me to check them too since they see it as well.
yes it's there...if this is your 3rd attempt you need to move on. can you return the set?
post #11792 of 14509
I agree and dvzzz should move on after trying three Elites. Regardless of the underlying cause or explanation, it doesn't seem that he'll be happy with the current Elites and limitations of the technology. If you stare too much at blank screens you're gonna find some flaws. Return it to Magnolia and be done with it.
post #11793 of 14509
If he is seeing it on regular programming and not just in slides then it needs to go back or have Sharp replace it. You can only beat your head against the wall for so long. If you see it on regular material then it is not acceptable on a set of any cost.
post #11794 of 14509
Wow, you guys are having a lot of issues. Saw that Sharp had no elites to show, the end of the ELITE? Have to say that none of the new TVs really impress me. Either because of the price or it's barely different from what was out last year. Once again, affirmation that I'm glad I bought my new tv's now and didn't wait.
post #11795 of 14509
What I was asking for is for those willing to help me out is to put that Calman 50% grey field pattern in THX Movie with LD on and see if you see any green or red on the grey. You make it sound like this green/red on my screen is normal and you would consider that a limitation of the technology. This is what I am trying to understand, if I many of other owners see some kind of green on their 50% grey patterns, then this is normal and it is up to an individual to either accept or reject it. I just I respect this position but to be on the fair side of things I asked for help... These forums are for help and brainstorming. I am already getting some helpful responses from folks including Value Electronics (Elite dealer). All that spent their time helping me, thank you so much and you did confirm that you white or grey screens are pristine white or grey. If it was only pattern, then I would live with it, but try watching Frozen Country BD on my set and it is every bit there what is worst, green is a main color and impacts the entire white balance.

Returning to Magnolia is an easy way out but unfair to BestBuy, I feel truly bad after returning 2 sets, and BestBuy has been simply terrific in this whole situation, if you are in Illinois and need to buy high-end item go to Vernon Hills Magnolia, ask for Patrick the Sales Manager, he is best in class and accommodating. (Disclaimer: No I am not affiliated with Best Buy in any way or shape or form, I just think good people deserve praise, we typically using forums to post negatives, this is my chance to show that quality sales folks exist).

I was hoping that Sharp/Elite will accept responsibility and try to help me and Best Buy to locate non-defective serial number batch...

Move on to what? If all other Elite owners have pristine white or grey screens, why should I move on, at the price that BB offered me, there is no TV close in PQ.
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Originally Posted by mikey94025 View Post

I agree and dvzzz should move on after trying three Elites. Regardless of the underlying cause or explanation, it doesn't seem that he'll be happy with the current Elites and limitations of the technology. If you stare too much at blank screens you're gonna find some flaws. Return it to Magnolia and be done with it.
post #11796 of 14509
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Originally Posted by rogo View Post

Rad, the only next-gen Elite news will come from a true insider, I'm afraid.
I'll surely be able to extract plenty of meaningless promises from the guys on the floor. That was easy to do last year.

Thanks- bummer I thought we would hear about a new Elite and perhaps an 80.

Perhaps they don't sell a lot of these but I do disagree that not having a high end set is a good idea.

Lincoln is going thru such an image change now but doesn't have a product to compete with other brands. Now called The Lincoln Motor Company but the same boring cars.

Having a flagship is a must in my opinion along with everyday levels for folks who can't afford the top-tier but perhaps may work their way there some day.

Just like speakers and other forms of electronics. I bought into Dynaudio, fell in love and worked my ass off saving to get to the Confidence level.

I think a mistake if Sharp does not continue the Elite and improving it. It is the flagship and despite sales should reflect their image of a high-end display.

If you get any info do let us know.

Thanks
Rick
post #11797 of 14509
Sharp just announced a 60" 4K set scheduled for summer release. Price: $31,000, and it's not even an Elite. I think it's safe to say if the original rumors had turned out to be true (80" 4K Elite), you'd be looking at a $50,000 TV.
post #11798 of 14509
dvzzz.. I just checked mine again today. I still a see a very slight tinge of yellow or green on the white pattern only. When you look at yours does it go away when you kind of move to side? Or it it still there no matter what? If I stare at it and move side to side then it disappears. But like I said it's very slight. I posted couple days ago after running the slides for 8 hours straight it went away. Or it could be my eyes. Other then that, I don't notice on any content that I watch. And your right on the PQ.. This thing just blows. I was considering the 65VT50 before this. But after seeing this one. I was sold. Now I have a calibrated Kuro 151 that went into my room. I dunno but to me I think the PQ in this Elite just blows it out of the water.
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Originally Posted by dvzzz View Post

What I was asking for is for those willing to help me out is to put that Calman 50% grey field pattern in THX Movie with LD on and see if you see any green or red on the grey. You make it sound like this green/red on my screen is normal and you would consider that a limitation of the technology. This is what I am trying to understand, if I many of other owners see some kind of green on their 50% grey patterns, then this is normal and it is up to an individual to either accept or reject it. I just I respect this position but to be on the fair side of things I asked for help... These forums are for help and brainstorming. I am already getting some helpful responses from folks including Value Electronics (Elite dealer). All that spent their time helping me, thank you so much and you did confirm that you white or grey screens are pristine white or grey. If it was only pattern, then I would live with it, but try watching Frozen Country BD on my set and it is every bit there what is worst, green is a main color and impacts the entire white balance.
Returning to Magnolia is an easy way out but unfair to BestBuy, I feel truly bad after returning 2 sets, and BestBuy has been simply terrific in this whole situation, if you are in Illinois and need to buy high-end item go to Vernon Hills Magnolia, ask for Patrick the Sales Manager, he is best in class and accommodating. (Disclaimer: No I am not affiliated with Best Buy in any way or shape or form, I just think good people deserve praise, we typically using forums to post negatives, this is my chance to show that quality sales folks exist).
I was hoping that Sharp/Elite will accept responsibility and try to help me and Best Buy to locate non-defective serial number batch...
Move on to what? If all other Elite owners have pristine white or grey screens, why should I move on, at the price that BB offered me, there is no TV close in PQ.
post #11799 of 14509
How does the 75" samsung compare to the Sharp elite 70"? Did they make an 80" elite yet?

Also, are there any kids size 3d glasses that work with the Elite?
post #11800 of 14509
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Originally Posted by dvzzz View Post

What I was asking for is for those willing to help me out is to put that Calman 50% grey field pattern in THX Movie with LD on and see if you see any green or red on the grey. You make it sound like this green/red on my screen is normal and you would consider that a limitation of the technology. This is what I am trying to understand, if I many of other owners see some kind of green on their 50% grey patterns, then this is normal and it is up to an individual to either accept or reject it. I just I respect this position but to be on the fair side of things I asked for help... These forums are for help and brainstorming. I am already getting some helpful responses from folks including Value Electronics (Elite dealer). All that spent their time helping me, thank you so much and you did confirm that you white or grey screens are pristine white or grey. If it was only pattern, then I would live with it, but try watching Frozen Country BD on my set and it is every bit there what is worst, green is a main color and impacts the entire white balance.
Returning to Magnolia is an easy way out but unfair to BestBuy, I feel truly bad after returning 2 sets, and BestBuy has been simply terrific in this whole situation, if you are in Illinois and need to buy high-end item go to Vernon Hills Magnolia, ask for Patrick the Sales Manager, he is best in class and accommodating. (Disclaimer: No I am not affiliated with Best Buy in any way or shape or form, I just think good people deserve praise, we typically using forums to post negatives, this is my chance to show that quality sales folks exist).
I was hoping that Sharp/Elite will accept responsibility and try to help me and Best Buy to locate non-defective serial number batch...
Move on to what? If all other Elite owners have pristine white or grey screens, why should I move on, at the price that BB offered me, there is no TV close in PQ.

Ok, I checked my new 70" Elite
I didn't calibrate it due to i1Display Pro wasn't arrived
I took multiple pics in multiple TV modes and with diff Shutter speed. I used my HTPC, where Paint shows 50% Gray at full screen or half screen.
Anything below 1/30 sec looks Ok, while 1/60 and faster shows scary images.
Check for EXIFs






post #11801 of 14509
mikek753.. Question on the bottom picture.. Is that what I think I'm seeing? Those kinda yellowish,greenish things on the display? I have the same thing on mine except I see it more on a white slide.
post #11802 of 14509
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Originally Posted by RadTech51 View Post

Thx for the link Gene, no new news on the next gen Elite though i'm afraid. cool.gif
Elite is a Pioneer product even though Sharp owns Pioneer. We would have to check the Pioneer booth wink.gif
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Originally Posted by Quatre View Post

How does the 75" samsung compare to the Sharp elite 70"? Did they make an 80" elite yet?
Also, are there any kids size 3d glasses that work with the Elite?
LOL, the 75" Samsung is just another edge lit unit. I could not think of a better to waist $8999. That has to be the most over priced TV ever made........
post #11803 of 14509
The new 4k 85 inch samsung is full array local dimming! To bad it's going to cost more than my car rolleyes.gif
post #11804 of 14509
What the hell are these blue and red streaks whenever a pinpoint light is present? It doesnt do this on my projector so it's not an added effect intended by the director. It's like the TV can't handle lens flare or something. I put it in dynamic mode to show it more easily but it creates this effect in all modes.






Edited by kdog750 - 1/7/13 at 10:43pm
post #11805 of 14509
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Originally Posted by rhed View Post

mikek753.. Question on the bottom picture.. Is that what I think I'm seeing? Those kinda yellowish,greenish things on the display? I have the same thing on mine except I see it more on a white slide.

Without colorimeter its hard to tell.
When I look at TV its kind of uniform
only looking at camera picture I see that colors are off in diff parts
It could be camera effect
I can't say for sure
post #11806 of 14509
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Originally Posted by dvzzz View Post

DSC_1333 grey pattern.jpg 1291k .jpg file Folks, my back and forth with Sharp continues on the unit number 3. Sharp has asked to photograph more, I was able to capture better shots. Please take a look and tell me if I am inventing things. This is in THX Movie mode with local dimming on. Somehow I can see all these issues while Sharp engineers cannot. Hope these photos will help them see. If your screens look look similar to minewith Calman Field 50% grey pattern then I will quit bothering everyone. This TV#3 is much better than units #1 and #2 but not normal in my eyes. I am seriously thinking about checking with an eye doctor but then I have to take my wife and 4 kids with me to check them too since they see it as well.

That rectangular, lighter shaded area in the upper right is very tough to miss. It has very sharp borders and can't be normal. Is that what you actually see, or is that a byproduct of your photographic process?

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Originally Posted by kdog750 View Post

Sharp just announced a 60" 4K set scheduled for summer release. Price: $31,000, and it's not even an Elite. I think it's safe to say if the original rumors had turned out to be true (80" 4K Elite), you'd be looking at a $50,000 TV.

I really don't understand the trend to relatively small 4K screens. Sharp's pricing on this 60" does make you scratch your head. Sony just announced 55" & 60" 4K models on top of their already released 83". But 55", what am I missing?
post #11807 of 14509
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Originally Posted by rogo View Post

Just to be clear, the next gen codec is 2x as bandwidth efficient as H.264, so instead of the nominal 4x more bits, you only need 2x the bits to do 4K well.
Now, as to how, DirecTV for example is going to end SD broadcasting completely and with it all the SD MPEG-2 feeds it still has. That frees up much of its bandwidth to keep MPEG-4 HD and allow for some 4K using new codecs (which I believe will be dominated by H.265). That's already a DirecTV plan. I suspect the other cable cos. have something similar in the works.
Anyway, this is still a couple of years from real, but it's going to happen.
Back to those Elites, I suppose they could do new models this fall, but I wonder if they will. The previous generation has not sold much. It seems like effort with minimal return and it's not helping the Sharp brand, which needs the help. Sharp has real problems, failed to deliver 4K last year despite planning on doing so, has no clear plans to do that this year, and is hanging on by a thread... I wonder if flagship TVs that don't carry their brand really make sense given all that.
Perhaps someone who knows more from inside can weigh in. I'll ask at CES, but was lied to so extensively last year (mostly by the Elite folk), I don't expect to learn much useful this year.

Good info Mark. I wasn't aware a broadcast codec was already complete. I also wasn't aware of DirecTV's plans for 4K. But as you say, it looks like even that is a couple of years away.
post #11808 of 14509
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Originally Posted by kdog750 View Post

What the hell are these blue and red streaks whenever a pinpoint light is present? It doesnt do this on my projector so it's not an added effect intended by the director. It's like the TV can't handle lens flare or something. I put it in dynamic mode to show it more easily but it creates this effect in all modes.



it's the film....i believe it's called lens flare or something like that. this was intentionally done. if you check out the looper bl-ray disc review on here they talk about this added effect.
post #11809 of 14509
t's the film....i believe it's called lens flare or something like that. this was intentionally done. if you check out the looper bl-ray disc review on here they talk about this added effect

Ok that would mean my projector is incorrectly displaying the image then instead of my TV. thanks!
post #11810 of 14509
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Mikedit View Post

Finally managed to get a look at the 60 inch Elite today and thought the picture looked very good, even off angle it looked nice. I would be using the TV primarily for watching sports and gaming on a PS3 or XBOX, with the occasional 3D movie perhaps. It would not be used for regular bluray movies, have another set-up for that. Now that hockey is back, that would be my major concern if there is any motion blur during the game. Any comments appreciated.

I think the 60'' Elite will be nice but arguably overkill for what you want to use it for, if you're not ever watching Blu-ray movies on it you're not really using it to its full potential. It would be like purchasing a Ferrari and only ever driving in the slow lane. cool.gif
post #11811 of 14509
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by airgas1998 View Post

yes it's there...if this is your 3rd attempt you need to move on. can you return the set?

Correction, if this is his 3rd set he needs to go through someone like Robert at Value Electronics or Cleveland Plasma etc to name just a few. Someone who actually knows something about display's and can personally check it out for you. Finding any issues / defects before it's ever sent out to him should be their problem not yours. Though I can understand if this is not an option as many use the financing options available through the company they are making the purchase with like BB etc. cool.gif
Edited by RadTech51 - 1/8/13 at 2:32pm
post #11812 of 14509
Well on my way to vegas, hell of a start........as I am checking in, I was upgraded to First class for free, God I love it when that happens wink.gif
post #11813 of 14509
First-class treatment for a first-class guy. smile.gif
post #11814 of 14509
Been lurking for a while and making full use of this wonderful website. I'm glad I read this thread because I would have not known that the Sharp Elites were available again to order from Best Buy since their website says otherwise. I will soon be a proud owner of a 70" Sharp Elite come Friday!

I thought I saw a thread that listed things to know/do when one receives a new TV but cannot seem to locate it. I have the D-Nice slides ready to go to check for dead pixels. Can you suggest anything else I need to know when handling this beautiful TV? Wait 30 minutes to let it warm up before turning it on?
post #11815 of 14509
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Originally Posted by dvzzz View Post

Folks, my back and forth with Sharp continues on the unit number 3. Sharp has asked to photograph more, I was able to capture better shots. Please take a look and tell me if I am inventing things. This is in THX Movie mode with local dimming on. Somehow I can see all these issues while Sharp engineers cannot. Hope these photos will help them see. If your screens look look similar to minewith Calman Field 50% grey pattern then I will quit bothering everyone. This TV#3 is much better than units #1 and #2 but not normal in my eyes. I am seriously thinking about checking with an eye doctor but then I have to take my wife and 4 kids with me to check them too since they see it as well.

I definitely see the green patches. frown.gif I would suggest getting a refund from BB and purchase the Elite from another vendor. On my current set, there are absolutely NO green/yellow patches whatsoever on full field gray patterns. I checked all patterns from 10% to 109%.

I will be receiving my replacement set tomorrow (for a totally different issue) and will post back if it exhibits the same green patches as the 3 sets you've received.
post #11816 of 14509
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Originally Posted by N3W813 View Post

I definitely see the green patches. frown.gif I would suggest getting a refund from BB and purchase the Elite from another vendor. On my current set, there are absolutely NO green/yellow patches whatsoever on full field gray patterns. I checked all patterns from 10% to 109%.
I will be receiving my replacement set tomorrow (for a totally different issue) and will post back if it exhibits the same green patches as the 3 sets you've received.

How did you check for uniformity and "patches"?
1. By naked eyes
2. taking pic by camera
3. Colorimeter moving over whole TV
4. etc

My 70" TV from Nov 2012 batch, so I'd like to be sure its the keeper.

tnx
post #11817 of 14509
@mikek753 Thank you for taking those shots, your last one and before the last one look very similar to mine, I would say almost same pattern. Not sure if this is the Nov2012 batch or not but I just got a reply from Sharp Engineering saying that my pictures (NOTE: my pictures that I posted here and the same I emailed to them, they concluded my screen is perfectly color uniform!!! mad.gif I am floored and completely disgusted, at least I was expecting honesty from them. Honesty is not a virtue anymore, I guess...

All in all, I see this green even on normal viewing materials. Attached is not showing accurately but if you overlay my grey pattern image with this movie images you will be able to see that green cast on the snow, camera EXIF should tell my shooting, note it was captured in RAW and then converted in Aperture into JPEG, if you have Mac I can provide NEF (Nikon RAW files):


DSC_1331.jpg 1934k .jpg file
DSC_1329.jpg 1683k .jpg file

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Originally Posted by mikek753 View Post

Ok, I checked my new 70" Elite
I didn't calibrate it due to i1Display Pro wasn't arrived
I took multiple pics in multiple TV modes and with diff Shutter speed. I used my HTPC, where Paint shows 50% Gray at full screen or half screen.
Anything below 1/30 sec looks Ok, while 1/60 and faster shows scary images.
Check for EXIFs




post #11818 of 14509
@N3W813, thanks for confirming your visuals, any chance you can take shots similar the one that mikek753 and I did. mikek753 and my blotches/colored clouds are very similar in size and shape. Pictures make them more obvious but I can easily see them with naked eye on my unit and not because I know where they are. I invited my wife and she has perfect 20/20 and she immediately pointed to all areas on the screen.
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Originally Posted by N3W813 View Post

I definitely see the green patches. frown.gif I would suggest getting a refund from BB and purchase the Elite from another vendor. On my current set, there are absolutely NO green/yellow patches whatsoever on full field gray patterns. I checked all patterns from 10% to 109%.
I will be receiving my replacement set tomorrow (for a totally different issue) and will post back if it exhibits the same green patches as the 3 sets you've received.
post #11819 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

Well on my way to vegas, hell of a start........as I am checking in, I was upgraded to First class for free, God I love it when that happens wink.gif

That was not an accident, I phoned ahead and made sure they took good care of you:)

Now about that discount on the 70 inch Elite:D
post #11820 of 14509
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Originally Posted by RadTech51 View Post

I think the 60'' Elite will be nice but arguably overkill for what you want to use it for, if you're not ever watching Blu-ray movies on it you're not really using it to its full potential. It would be like purchasing a Ferrari and only ever driving in the slow lane. cool.gif

But it is nice to know that power is always there should you ever need it:) Probably would be overkill for what I want but I keep getting drawn to it for some reason, any other recommendations??
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