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Best Buy in Westbury Still has the 70" Elit on Display as of 1-11-13.
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Thread Starter 
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I don't think Surge was talking about the cyan color issue. The 'latest' color problem is the green/pink patches on the Nov12 sets. So far, I believe all Nov12 set owners have reported seeing this

Thank you for clarifying that N3W813, I agree something is very strange with this Elite if he seeing something like that.
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Yes, Nov batch is indeed defective, or actually I agree it is probably using some Grade B leftover panels. If 12 months old 70le732u can produce perfectly uniform greyscale and Nov2012 Elite cannot, then it must be manufacturing issue. Given that they stopped production of Elites, no more point in trying. It is sad that there is nothing to buy with same level of blacks, contrasty whites and brightness even in 65 inch. VT50 whites are just yellow to me.
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It is sad that Sharp has stopped production on these tv's. I really wish you, and others could enjoy what my family has been enjoying for almost a year now. The picture still impresses us. And I agree there isn't an LED out that can match the beauty of this display. Plasma has and always be a definite no for me, as I have a large family that sometimes watches 4:3 programming, channels wih bright big logos, espn, and play a lot video games.
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^^^ Wow, that's news to me..........plenty coming in at this point.
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Originally Posted by dvzzz View Post

Yes, Nov batch is indeed defective, or actually I agree it is probably using some Grade B leftover panels. If 12 months old 70le732u can produce perfectly uniform greyscale and Nov2012 Elite cannot, then it must be manufacturing issue. Given that they stopped production of Elites, no more point in trying. It is sad that there is nothing to buy with same level of blacks, contrasty whites and brightness even in 65 inch. VT50 whites are just yellow to me.
The statement above makes it sound as if every set made in Nov has been tested and looked at. I can say, I sure am glad there are still non-defective units built in Nov.
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

Wow, that's news to me..........plenty coming in at this point.

Well for the record I haven't read anything official on Sharp stopping production, just thought since I keep reading here, that others knew something I didn't.
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

^^^ Wow, that's news to me..........plenty coming in at this point.
The statement above makes it sound as if every set made in Nov has been tested and looked at. I can say, I sure am glad there are still non-defective units built in Nov.

I would expect you of all here would know if they were stopping production. Always trust your inputs.
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Wow.. having seen so many posts on this thread for awhile now. I truly feel bad for people with panel issues having uniformity/color issues and hope Sharp is not taking short cuts in any form.

With regard to the green/pink patch on grey display, I looked for it on my 70" (bought in July) and I think I am seeing it too but it is relatively faint. I really can't stare at the screen for too long as my eyes start to play tricks on me. I also looked at the secondary yellow color (if there were overshot of green, it should distort the yellow, right?) and I don't see any variation with yellow. I actually look through all the primary and secondary colors (full screen) and I can't tell any variation in color uniformity. Also no issue in watching TV or BD contents.

About pulsing or flashes, I have seen this occasional and it is just one or two flashes the most and very hard to repeat. So I am ignoring it.

About Darbee, I have returned mine as it did not do too much for me. I only view the shows in THX (self calibrated) and now in isf night (also self calibrated). This is one fine tv and the best I ever have.

About extended service plan. I received an email from Sharp about 3 months ago which I ignored. And I just received another "invitation" today. So I guess it is not an one time offer. They know who have not taken the deal and I guess they are keeping those in their dialing list.
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Originally Posted by pjr View Post

I honestly can't remember if I have seen this problem. I finally started streaming Netflix. I hooked up digital audio out to my amp, but I can only get stereo out, not Dolby digital. All I can get from the optical is stereo. What am I doing wrong? By the way, I have had no troubles at all with my wonderfully calibrated 70".

When you say "amp", do you mean your receiver? Are you getting Dobly from broadcast TV over the optical cable? Have you tried using an HDMI cable from the TV to the amp and using Audio Return Channel? I know I also had an issue with having to call Sharp to figure out how to get the TV to send Dolby out using ARC, so it may be the way the sets come from the factory (set to send PCM). I seem to recall there is a setting in the menu controls. Call Elite service and they can walk you through it.
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Originally Posted by dvzzz View Post

VT50 whites are just yellow to me.
It is my belief (and based on reviewer/calibrator/owner comments) that this can be calibrated out.
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Originally Posted by N3W813 View Post

...snip...

I knew someone was going to ask this question sooner or later. wink.gif

Yes, I could have moved all the 75% perfectly into their respective target squares, BUT that would not have resulted in the best quality image (at least on the Elite). smile.gif You CANNOT rely just on charts and numbers when doing a calibration. You will also have to view real world content to verify the calibration produces correct colors output, then adjust the CMS controls accordingly. The Elite does have color tracking issues with most of the colors so when calibrating the set, you will have to average out the range of errors and make sure not one section (ie. 75-100% saturation) is not totally off its reference while sacrificing some error at the middle to lower ends.

The chart I posted also only represent the hue and saturation of the colors, no luminance (the 'value' control in the CMS) values. The biggest challenge is, the Elite's CMS controls are not implemented correctly. Changing hue and saturation for one color may also change its luminance, changing red settings affect magenta, changing blue settings affect cyan, etc. So what I had to do is determine the best settings that averages out the lowest errors, watch reference content, then go back and adjust the CMS again. Painstakingly slow process, but required if you want the best image possible for the Elite. biggrin.gif


What were your dE's?
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What were your dE's?

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Gentleman, two days ago I joined the Elite club and I must say it is quite an impressive set! My 70" was delivered by Best Buy and went very smooth. My set is one of the "dreaded" November '12 builds but thus far I have noticed none of the issues some of the others here are having. The only "flaws" I have see have been two dead pixels which are not visible from more than three feet or so and I have no desire to sit that close to a 70" anyway so I really don't care. My set has not yet been calibrated but I am using "Newbie's" settings until I do.

I will post am in-depth review/analysis after I have more time with the set and it gets calibrated. Until then please don't assume every Elite is having issues. Either there are still good set out there or I got the last one smile.gif
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Originally Posted by Sick Mother View Post

Gentleman, two days ago I joined the Elite club and I must say it is quite an impressive set! My 70" was delivered by Best Buy and went very smooth. My set is one of the "dreaded" November '12 builds but thus far I have noticed none of the issues some of the others here are having. The only "flaws" I have see have been two dead pixels which are not visible from more than three feet or so and I have no desire to sit that close to a 70" anyway so I really don't care. My set has not yet been calibrated but I am using "Newbie's" settings until I do.

I will post am in-depth review/analysis after I have more time with the set and it gets calibrated. Until then please don't assume every Elite is having issues. Either there are still good set out there or I got the last one smile.gif
Congrats, and I hope you enjoy your set as much as I have mine for a very long time!
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Originally Posted by Sick Mother View Post

Gentleman, two days ago I joined the Elite club and I must say it is quite an impressive set! My 70" was delivered by Best Buy and went very smooth. My set is one of the "dreaded" November '12 builds but thus far I have noticed none of the issues some of the others here are having. The only "flaws" I have see have been two dead pixels which are not visible from more than three feet or so and I have no desire to sit that close to a 70" anyway so I really don't care. My set has not yet been calibrated but I am using "Newbie's" settings until I do.

I will post am in-depth review/analysis after I have more time with the set and it gets calibrated. Until then please don't assume every Elite is having issues. Either there are still good set out there or I got the last one smile.gif

Have you looked at uniformity after putting up a full screen 100% white test pattern? smile.gif The green/pink patches are VERY faint. May not look green/pink at first, may look like patches that are dimmer than the rest of the screen.
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Not yet but I did pause my DVR on a full white commercial (I'm sure it's not technically the same thing, but...) and saw no green or pink. It wasn't perfectly white across the screen (maybe slightly blue-ish) but I have to believe a calibration can fix that, no?
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

^^^ Wow, that's news to me..........plenty coming in at this point.
The statement above makes it sound as if every set made in Nov has been tested and looked at. I can say, I sure am glad there are still non-defective units built in Nov.
Hi Chris
My friend Mike is getting a 70" from you after my recommendation.
I think his check is in the mail.
Please take care of him and check his screen uniformity for these green patches I am reading about.
Can u also update his firmware before shipping?
Thanks for working with him.
I really want him to be happy after trying for so long to get him to buy an Elite.
It took him 6-8 months for him to pull the trigger. Many trips to my house to see mine in action. Using N3W813's settings is what made him pull that trigger..., He is blown away.
He said, "Why does BB's Elite look like s**t?

I said......Picture Settings are different at BB. Then I showed him the Advanced menu and he then understood
Edited by obxdiver - 1/16/13 at 1:55pm
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I went through 5, big enough sample then plus reports from 4-5 owners of nov2012 build. I agreed to the last last two TVs only because local Best Buy was kind enough to insist that Elite cannot have so many uniformity issues, they have been selling them for 1+ year and uniformity was non-issue, as for Nov2012 batch, they received several complaints/returns besides me about green and vertical banding. I trust the Magnolia Manager at my local BB, a high-integrity individual that goes out of his way to help me out, he honestly believes that perfect grey Elites exist even in Nov2012 batch but they cannot find one for me. Also, Sharp GM of Product told me that green/pinkish DSE is a normal part of LED full-array technology... What was he going to say that green and pink is not normal then dozens of units will come back to haunt him...

As for discontinuation, two stores confirmed to me that no more is coming... Best Buy and ABT, both are huge retailers with a lot of buying power. Yes the big Nov batch is out and in stores and they need to sell them but no new production is happening or planned. I did not ask Sharp so I am only going from what I have heard. If you did hear that they continue with Elite manufacturing then please let us know when new production run is scheduled to appear. Being a trusted Sharp dealer you must know and I would like to know as well if two largest electronics retailers are just getting out of Elite business but Elite will live. If this new production run is scheduled or happening already then I will return my unit and wait for Jan-Feb batch to appear to repurchase. Given that I talked to Elite's VP (or GM) of Product about green DSE, he knows and I assume will try to address it in the new production run to avoid again the embarrassment of telling customers that green/rosy DSE is normal. If it was a Japanese on the phone, I would say to "to save face".
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

^^^ Wow, that's news to me..........plenty coming in at this point.
The statement above makes it sound as if every set made in Nov has been tested and looked at. I can say, I sure am glad there are still non-defective units built in Nov.

Edited by dvzzz - 1/16/13 at 2:19pm
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If you do not see do not look for it. You will find it for sure but the point is if you enjoy your set as is, then this is a non-issue. I always said not to extrapolate my bad experience to all of Elites even in Nov2012 batch. I just happened to get them from the local BB warehouse with close serial numbers and they all were defective to various degrees. Reference TVset has different meaning to different people. To me it starts with uniform greyscale and many will say this is a wrong way to look at the set, the actual picture must bring joy not the greyscale pattern smile.gif but I am a geek at heart and music and movies are my passion and I demand the best for the money and will not settle for green/pink DSE as normal.

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Originally Posted by Sick Mother View Post

Gentleman, two days ago I joined the Elite club and I must say it is quite an impressive set! My 70" was delivered by Best Buy and went very smooth. My set is one of the "dreaded" November '12 builds but thus far I have noticed none of the issues some of the others here are having. The only "flaws" I have see have been two dead pixels which are not visible from more than three feet or so and I have no desire to sit that close to a 70" anyway so I really don't care. My set has not yet been calibrated but I am using "Newbie's" settings until I do.

I will post am in-depth review/analysis after I have more time with the set and it gets calibrated. Until then please don't assume every Elite is having issues. Either there are still good set out there or I got the last one smile.gif

Edited by dvzzz - 1/16/13 at 2:22pm
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Dvzzz, what warehouse did your sets come from? Mine came from Miami.
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Originally Posted by GeneWildersHair View Post

It is sad that Sharp has stopped production on these tv's. I really wish you, and others could enjoy what my family has been enjoying for almost a year now. The picture still impresses us. And I agree there isn't an LED out that can match the beauty of this display. Plasma has and always be a definite no for me, as I have a large family that sometimes watches 4:3 programming, channels wih bright big logos, espn, and play a lot video games.

I've been waiting/looking for information if there will be an Elite version 2.
Who said, where did you read that Sharp has stopped production of these (Elite) tvs?

Stopped as in:
1. Not making the Elite tv anymore?
2. Stopped making the Elite version one, because the Elite version two is replacing it?
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Oak Park, Illinois the delivery guys told me.
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Originally Posted by Sick Mother View Post

Dvzzz, what warehouse did your sets come from? Mine came from Miami.
Oak Park, Illinois
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Could external factors such as weather, temperature and humidity while in storage be a factor?
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That is it, gents. I must have rattled the cage long enough and just got another call from Sharp. This is official, Elite no more. So grab what you can and like and keep it. The Elite is history now.
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Originally Posted by DarrenK View Post

When you say "amp", do you mean your receiver? Are you getting Dobly from broadcast TV over the optical cable? Have you tried using an HDMI cable from the TV to the amp and using Audio Return Channel? I know I also had an issue with having to call Sharp to figure out how to get the TV to send Dolby out using ARC, so it may be the way the sets come from the factory (set to send PCM). I seem to recall there is a setting in the menu controls. Call Elite service and they can walk you through it.
Yes, I do mean receiver. I get DD on everything except streaming Netflix. Does Netflix stream in DD? I have tried streaming through my Elite and DVD and only can get stereo from both. Before beating my head against the wall, I want to make sure Netflix does stream DD.
For those still looking for a TV, know the vast majority of us are home enjoying our sets.
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Originally Posted by dvzzz View Post

That is it, gents. I must have rattled the cage long enough and just got another call from Sharp. This is official, Elite no more. So grab what you can and like and keep it. The Elite is history now.

with respect, I would not make this call until we hear from one of our dealers
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Originally Posted by dvzzz View Post

That is it, gents. I must have rattled the cage long enough and just got another call from Sharp. This is official, Elite no more. So grab what you can and like and keep it. The Elite is history now.

I bought one of the last leftover 50" Kuros NIB for $900 plus shipping from Sam's. Maybe lighting will strike twice and I can put the Pioneer in my bathroom.
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I do not think we will see Elite's at Sam's, there is no oversupply of them at this point but for $900 I would not mind an Elite even with some DSE even for $2000, just not at $5500 smile.gif
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I bought one of the last leftover 50" Kuros NIB for $900 plus shipping from Sam's. Maybe lighting will strike twice and I can put the Pioneer in my bathroom.
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Originally Posted by dvzzz View Post

I do not think we will see Elite's at Sam's, there is no oversupply of them at this point but for $900 I would not mind an Elite even with some DSE even for $2000, just not at $5500 smile.gif

The comment was tongue and cheek. The bathroom part should have been the give away. Although I would bet most would have said the same about a $900 Kuro 4 years ago.
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Originally Posted by greeno View Post

It is my belief (and based on reviewer/calibrator/owner comments) that this can be calibrated out.

I have no yellow in my whites.
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Originally Posted by GeneWildersHair View Post

It is sad that Sharp has stopped production on these tv's. I really wish you, and others could enjoy what my family has been enjoying for almost a year now. The picture still impresses us. And I agree there isn't an LED out that can match the beauty of this display. Plasma has and always be a definite no for me, as I have a large family that sometimes watches 4:3 programming, channels wih bright big logos, espn, and play a lot video games.

I watch 4:3 programming, lots of ESPN, and game... without any issue.

None of this is to suggest against buying an LCD, but I'm not sure any of these reasons speak against buying a plasma either.
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