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post #12001 of 14509
Thank you. That is encouraging, then solid grey sets do exist. Like I suspected, Illinois warehouse must have gotten the bad batch. Can we all, unlucky ones, ask your customer to send AVS Calibration Calman 50% grey and 100% white field patterns shots at manual Shutter 1/30 to us. I think it will do good for your business too since not only green pictures will be posted but finally a good one?
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

Just got a PM a second ago, my client said he got delivery yesterday, November build date, he loves it and mentioned he saw none of the above.
post #12002 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

I agree with Mark, let's wait for something more official. This wouldn't be the first time we've gotten erroneous info from someone at Sharp.

Even if this news is true, there will still be inventory for a while. Time remains to pick one up now but it won't last long, once the official word goes out by Sharp inventory will move fast. cool.gif
post #12003 of 14509
RadTech51 I tried to purchase through VE but understandably he does not want to risk taking inventory, opening it and then being stuck given issues. Robert is a top notch guy and I know he would do it but there is panel lottery going on right now. Also truth maybe that nobody wants a high-maintainance customer like me as a customer smile.gif People watch movies and I watch Calman patterns but I am paying for it and I watch what I want smile.gif))) I do want to watch movies, just finishing unRAID server with 10TB ready for my media. Have CIFS shares running and Oppo and Popcorn can see them fine. Still having issues with Oppo and NFS shares but CIFS is working well. Now I just need a really good display to dazzle my kids to keep them from running around the house. Quiet time for both adults when they watch movies:)

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Originally Posted by RadTech51 View Post

dvzzz, I suggest you do yourself a big favor and find a way to get a good Elite now before it's to late because it sounds like you really want this set and yes it is the best on the market as it stands right now. My suggestion stands: Purchase one through Robert at VE or Cleveland Plasma and have them personally check it out before it's delivered to you. I know Robert can also have it professionally calibrated for you as well, if you opt out for the calibration any issues if any on the Elite will also be spotted at that time. This issue will be over with and you will be happy you made the decision, knowing what I know now that's what I would do for my next set. cool.gif

Edited by dvzzz - 1/17/13 at 9:41am
post #12004 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

Just got a PM a second ago, my client said he got delivery yesterday, November build date, he loves it and mentioned he saw none of the above.

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Originally Posted by dvzzz View Post

Thank you. That is encouraging, then solid grey sets do exist. Like I suspected, Illinois warehouse must have gotten the bad batch. Can we all, unlucky ones, ask your customer to send AVS Calibration Calman 50% grey and 100% white field patterns shots at manual Shutter 1/30 to us. I think it will do good for your business too since not only green pictures will be posted but finally a good one?

This is all very subjective..... my friend and wife could not see the patches until I told them what to look for. tongue.gif If you can't see it, don't look for it!!! biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by N3W813 View Post

If you can't see it, don't look for it!!! biggrin.gif
What ?? I have been saying this for years. biggrin.gif
post #12006 of 14509
Completely agree. If you do not see it, do not search for it.
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This is all very subjective..... my friend and wife could not see the patches until I told them what to look for. tongue.gif If you can't see it, don't look for it!!! biggrin.gif
post #12007 of 14509
I am set to take back the 60 and get the 70 from a Best Buy in Illinois when I get back from vacation. I put in the recomended settings and just warch movies, tv, and play PS3. If i get the green or pink band set and dont ever look for them what are the chances I will ever notice them? I have gotten the 60 within the last 20 days or so days and have not really noticed anything on my current 60 inch Sharp. Thanks Jon
post #12008 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Surge View Post

I am set to take back the 60 and get the 70 from a Best Buy in Illinois when I get back from vacation. I put in the recomended settings and just warch movies, tv, and play PS3. If i get the green or pink band set and dont ever look for them what are the chances I will ever notice them? I have gotten the 60 within the last 20 days or so days and have not really noticed anything on my current 60 inch Sharp. Thanks Jon

I"m sure you will love the switch to the 70'' keep us posted. wink.gif
post #12009 of 14509
Chances are low that you will notice it, I think some folks are more sensitive to green vs. grey. My recommendation do not put any grey patterns up but just watch movies that you know well and like and if you do not see it, do not search for it. Right now I have an unhealthy obsession that leads me to nowhere smile.gif

Just enjoy this wonderful set, 70" is so much bigger, you will like it a lot more.
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Originally Posted by Surge View Post

I am set to take back the 60 and get the 70 from a Best Buy in Illinois when I get back from vacation. I put in the recomended settings and just warch movies, tv, and play PS3. If i get the green or pink band set and dont ever look for them what are the chances I will ever notice them? I have gotten the 60 within the last 20 days or so days and have not really noticed anything on my current 60 inch Sharp. Thanks Jon
post #12010 of 14509
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Originally Posted by dvzzz View Post

RadTech51 I tried to purchase through VE but understandably he does not want to risk taking inventory, opening it and then being stuck given issues. Robert is a top notch guy and I know he would do it but there is panel lottery going on right now. Also truth maybe that nobody wants a high-maintainance customer like me as a customer smile.gif People watch movies and I watch Calman patterns but I am paying for it and I watch what I want smile.gif))) I do want to watch movies, just finishing unRAID server with 10TB ready for my media. Have CIFS shares running and Oppo and Popcorn can see them fine. Still having issues with Oppo and NFS shares but CIFS is working well. Now I just need a really good display to dazzle my kids to keep them from running around the house. Quiet time for both adults when they watch movies:)

Can't believe Robert would have an issue with this, confirming that your Elite is free of any uniformity issues before sending it out to you should not be a problem. I still believe this to by your best option however if you still want the Elite your other option is to find a store that has one on display and after checking it out yourself purchase that one. cool.gif
post #12011 of 14509
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Originally Posted by dvzzz View Post

Thank you. That is encouraging, then solid grey sets do exist. Like I suspected, Illinois warehouse must have gotten the bad batch. Can we all, unlucky ones, ask your customer to send AVS Calibration Calman 50% grey and 100% white field patterns shots at manual Shutter 1/30 to us. I think it will do good for your business too since not only green pictures will be posted but finally a good one?

Well to be fair, I saw no green DSE until I tested it with your gray screen test patterns. I have some green DSE on the left side of my screen but I don't see it under normal viewing conditions and it does not bother me. But I'm having trouble getting past the brightness fluctuation changes and occasional flickering of source material. I find myself concentrating on that instead of the movie I'm watching.
post #12012 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Audiguy3 View Post

If the elite is being discontinued then Sharp is left with no 70" tv with local dimming correct? I

Guys, we still have no definitive word that the Elite is being discontinued.
post #12013 of 14509
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Originally Posted by dvzzz View Post

Correct even 4K will be Edge-lit.

Just as the Sonys are. Too bad.
post #12014 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

Just got a PM a second ago, my client said he got delivery yesterday, November build date, he loves it and mentioned he saw none of the above.

So not all Nov builds are bad (assuming your client knew what to look for).
post #12015 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

Lets take just the DSE for example, even the TC-P65VT50 has been reported to have this issue. If they fix one issue I am sure there will be another. Look at ROGO above, almost 30,000 posts. Have you seen any product made ROGO that does not have this issue or that issue here on AVS ? I have not and I have 60% or so less posts. There will always be an issue, the question is can you live with it.

Chris, I agree no model is perfect. I'm not sure whether my post count has much to do with my ability to discuss this, but I do agree with you. smile.gif

My Panasonic, for example, can't display a bright white on a full white screen, like at the end of many commercials. It also false contours on some content, even post calibration. It's a really good TV, but it's not without flaws....

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Originally Posted by GeneWildersHair View Post

Just Google around you'll find plasma tv's with the dreaded "burn in" issue. To say today's plasma isn't susceptible to this issue anymore is really a terrible thing to spread. Fact is ANY static image left for a significant amount of time WILL leave that image in the screen. A friend of mine has a Panny plasma, and swore to me his plasma was perfect despite his constant viewing of ESPN. Wouldn't you know it, one day I was visiting with him, and as we were watching some snow boarding competition, there I saw the faint outline of the espn news ticker! He had a hard time seeing it, but once I pointed it out he was crushed. The good news is, he did use the same break in disc he had to get rid of it, BUT it took 3 days of playing this disc to get rid of it! And imo he was lucky to get rid of it. Again, just Google it, plenty of today's plasma sets are constantly ruined by burn in. I'm glad it hasn't happened to you, but I've seen it first hand, and read about it all the time.Bottom line is everybody's habits are different, and I know my, and my family's would probably end up getting burn in. I'm sorry, but I have no time to play this Russian roulette game with plasma.

.... however, none of those flaws are burn in, which is just not a real risk. sorry, it isn't.

And I've never experienced image retention of any magnitude, despite trying to generate it. We got a bit during the calibration when the menus were up a lot and the settings were being tweaked. Trying to duplicate that with PS3 menus has yielded failure. No logos, either.

Oh, and even during the calibration, you couldn't see the retention except up close.

We are off topic here and, again, I'm not telling anyone to stay away from the Elite. In fact, I hope my response to Chris makes it clear that I believe even an imperfect Elite is a good choice if it delivers the 99% you want. I'm just not going to let people believe that there is some real risk with choosing a plasma for the vast majority of people, because, well, there isn't.

That said, I have posted several times on AVS this past year, "Return the xxx plasma and buy an LCD." People who want to believe something are not easily persuaded otherwise. Facts are stubborn things, but they are nothing compared to stubborn people.
post #12016 of 14509
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Originally Posted by rogo View Post

Chris, I agree no model is perfect. I'm not sure whether my post count has much to do with my ability to discuss this, but I do agree with you. smile.gif

My Panasonic, for example, can't display a bright white on a full white screen, like at the end of many commercials. It also false contours on some content, even post calibration. It's a really good TV, but it's not without flaws....
.... however, none of those flaws are burn in, which is just not a real risk. sorry, it isn't.

And I've never experienced image retention of any magnitude, despite trying to generate it. We got a bit during the calibration when the menus were up a lot and the settings were being tweaked. Trying to duplicate that with PS3 menus has yielded failure. No logos, either.

Oh, and even during the calibration, you couldn't see the retention except up close.

We are off topic here and, again, I'm not telling anyone to stay away from the Elite. In fact, I hope my response to Chris makes it clear that I believe even an imperfect Elite is a good choice if it delivers the 99% you want. I'm just not going to let people believe that there is some real risk with choosing a plasma for the vast majority of people, because, well, there isn't.

That said, I have posted several times on AVS this past year, "Return the xxx plasma and buy an LCD." People who want to believe something are not easily persuaded otherwise. Facts are stubborn things, but they are nothing compared to stubborn people.

Hi rogo, burn in has been greatly reduced however there still remains a small risk and I can understand his concern it if he doesn't want to do go down that road, although in most cases it's image retention not burn in like you said. I have seen this first hand at restaurants that keep their Plasma displays up on the same old sports channel all day with the ESPN logo and or other static content up for very long periods of time. Some of the giveaways are the burnt in title bars on the top and bottom portions of the screen, the ones I see out and about mostly are Panasonic Plasma's. Again I agree with you though that most people will not exhibit this problem as they will not be watching tv this way, however this combined with other native Plasma artifacts native to the technology maybe to much for him to worry about. I for one can't stand the humming / buzzing which is natural for all Plasma displays, as you know this get's worse the further you are from sea level. Back to burn in, I have a friend who had an issue with screen burn on his Pioneer KURO plasma although I have no doubt they have made some advancements in this area since then. cool.gif
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Originally Posted by RadTech51 View Post

I for one can't stand the humming / buzzing which is natural for all Plasma displays:

I have both a Samsung PN51D8000 and a Panasonic 65VT50. No buzzing. No burn in. Minor image retention that disappears in a short amount of time through normal viewing, and I put windows calibration patterns on these displays for hours at a time.
post #12018 of 14509
For those who follows this soap opera. Was at Best Buy yesterday and they let me check their floor units in 70 and 60. Both from Nov12 build, they replaced old 70" with stuck pixels with new one from Nov12. Put TVs into THX mode with LD On, plugged in Calman and 70" entire Magnolia staff wowed, ugly green blob right in the middle of the screen on 70, then we went to 60 and it was better but still very visible green and pink bands. Once you put TVs into Dynamic Fixed, these issues become very faint.

One of the guys suggested that this is how full-array LED works and that all full-array will have it, we turned 65" XBR on and plugged same pattern switched to Movie mode and full LD on, perfect grey with faint band right in the middle, but it was grey, no coloring.

All in all, BestBuy checked systems and confirmed whatever is left in the warehouse is all they have which is only 4! left (8 days ago it was 60), and system shows Discontinued product. They had 0 of 70" in the store. I almost bought that floor sample Sony but... I did not, no matter what I tried it was lacking crispness of Elite, blooming was very obvious, banding was barely visible but somehow I noticed it a lot more on moving scenes, it was noticeably smaller and more expensive than 70" Elite.
post #12019 of 14509
I'm glad my 70" is green blob free. I've got a little dse, but absolutely nothing out of the ordinary.

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Originally Posted by dvzzz View Post

For those who follows this soap opera. Was at Best Buy yesterday and they let me check their floor units in 70 and 60. Both from Nov12 build, they replaced old 70" with stuck pixels with new one from Nov12. Put TVs into THX mode with LD On, plugged in Calman and 70" entire Magnolia staff wowed, ugly green blob right in the middle of the screen on 70, then we went to 60 and it was better but still very visible green and pink bands. Once you put TVs into Dynamic Fixed, these issues become very faint.

One of the guys suggested that this is how full-array LED works and that all full-array will have it, we turned 65" XBR on and plugged same pattern switched to Movie mode and full LD on, perfect grey with faint band right in the middle, but it was grey, no coloring.

All in all, BestBuy checked systems and confirmed whatever is left in the warehouse is all they have which is only 4! left (8 days ago it was 60), and system shows Discontinued product. They had 0 of 70" in the store. I almost bought that floor sample Sony but... I did not, no matter what I tried it was lacking crispness of Elite, blooming was very obvious, banding was barely visible but somehow I noticed it a lot more on moving scenes, it was noticeably smaller and more expensive than 70" Elite.

Edited by GeneWildersHair - 1/18/13 at 10:28am
post #12020 of 14509
Just so I understand, you are only seeing these spots with calman running? Not during normal content?
post #12021 of 14509
Just so I understand, you are only seeing these spots with calman running? Not during normal content?
post #12022 of 14509
They even keep Elites in DynamicFixed so watching in this mode I did not notice but it was Alice in Wonderland a very dark movie, once I switched to THX with LD On and put Calman on then we all saw it I must say really ugly, worst I have seen so far, we put Alice back in THX and this time everyone can point to the greenish darkening, but... Only it was psychological now, we knew where to find and we were searching for it. If I hadn't put that Calman on, nobody would see it. Morale is do not search for it. Just enjoy these phenomenal sets they are truly best in class and smoke Sony XBR out.
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Originally Posted by Sick Mother View Post

Just so I understand, you are only seeing these spots with calman running? Not during normal content?
post #12023 of 14509
So dvzzz, what are you doing? Knowing how much you like the Elite otherwise, can you live with it?
post #12024 of 14509
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Originally Posted by pjr View Post

Yes, I do mean receiver. I get DD on everything except streaming Netflix. Does Netflix stream in DD? I have tried streaming through my Elite and DVD and only can get stereo from both. Before beating my head against the wall, I want to make sure Netflix does stream DD.
For those still looking for a TV, know the vast majority of us are home enjoying our sets.
Netflix does provide DD, depending on the particular streaming movie. However, I have never tried it with an optical cable, I always use ARC. Given the content output restrictions rules, my guess is that it is the optical cable which is limiting your receiver getting DD because the TV and/or DVD player will not output it when streaming Netflix. Get an ARC capable HDMI cable from Monorpice and test it out.
post #12025 of 14509
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Originally Posted by DarrenK View Post

Netflix does provide DD, depending on the particular streaming movie. However, I have never tried it with an optical cable, I always use ARC. Given the content output restrictions rules, my guess is that it is the optical cable which is limiting your receiver getting DD because the TV and/or DVD player will not output it when streaming Netflix. Get an ARC capable HDMI cable from Monorpice and test it out.

You also must enable ARC under "link control" in the system options menu, make sure "audio select" is set to hdmi digital under input terminal settings, and of course enable ARC on your receiver.
post #12026 of 14509
You, guys, will laugh hard at me for good reasons but they offered me another set to be delivered tomorrow. I actually said 'yes', I just can't let go off Elite's great blacks and contrasty whites with no blooming. Nothing in the store came close, perhaps VT50 can be calibrated to my liking but their THX mode without calibration is just dull, yellowish to my eyes and I see plasma flicker. I have zero hope because they are from the same exact batch which must have been bad altogether, but since Magnolia is offering it at no charge to me I decided to try it. If I was to deal with Sharp about issues I would never even consider doing so many exchanges but Magnolia here is just absolutely stunning, never thought I would buy anything from Best Buy but was I wrong or what... best in class service and they really care, I even wrote good letter to BB HQ, we always complain and never have time to give praise. I did my good deed.

There is no stock anyway, once I try this one there is no more left in the warehouse.

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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

So dvzzz, what are you doing? Knowing how much you like the Elite otherwise, can you live with it?
post #12027 of 14509
Do NOT connect calman lol. Just have a pro like Chad B come over, calibrate it, and be done with it.
post #12028 of 14509
i was also thinking about not turning TV on at all, just look at it off, it has perfect black smile.gif LOL
post #12029 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Sick Mother View Post

Do NOT connect calman lol. Just have a pro like Chad B come over, calibrate it, and be done with it.

why to NOT calibrate or check by yourself?
Any reasons that "dummy" can't learn and DIY?
I plan to DIY, so I started learning ;-)
Also, there is only one Chad for so many of us
post #12030 of 14509
Go back over the past several pages, learn about dvzzz's saga and you'll understand.
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