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Originally Posted by Sick Mother View Post

Go back over the past several pages, learn about dvzzz's saga and you'll understand.
I'm cheap to pay for Calman for one time use only. Or maybe Calman produces such special "pattern" that you can see on Elite only as green blob, while other sets can't reproduce it rolleyes.gif
I use HCFR, where I have issue with calibrating, could be due to not have enough experience with Calibration overall and HCFR in addition.
post #12032 of 14514
Anyone can help / guide me with calibration 70" Elite? Pls.
Sorry, common settings can NOT be applied - those are only starting point as every TV is unique. This is why I got i1D3 (not R2D3).
I use HTPC over HDMI with dot-for-dot over HDMI1.
I'm not sure if I ask those questions here or in Calibration forum.

1. what's recommended target 100% while output for this 70" TV? 120 cd/m2 or 140 or 160 or etc?
I don't watch TV in complete dark, so 120 is kind to dark for a day or lighted evening room - IMHO

2. How to set backlight? How to identify what power LED has to be?

3. How to move Blue to the target from Magenta / Purple zone in CIE to get good D65? This is about primaries.

4. What mode AV Mode to use for Calibration? Standard or Movie or etc?

5. Do calibration settings stored per AV Mode / profile?

6. Why color and light output diff when only part of screen is used vs full screen? I used test color box around colorimeter and readings were diff vs full screen for the same color / grade.

p.s. I'm not TV or Calibrator pro and no plans to use it for make any $, may be just help friends over beer
p.p.s. some buzzwords are very specific to Calibration, so may not be easy to understand if you are not into it (not like I know all those) and as S.M. said - just ask Chad for the work

Any help are very welcome biggrin.gif

Mike.
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@Sick Mother, BTW, when I asked ChadB to evaluate my set he told me straight this is not something that ISF calibration can eliminate, he told me to get a replacement set clear and loud. Things that I am seeing have nothing to do with ISF calibration nor calibration can help. I am running into a bunch of defective panels, if DSE was not green or pink then meter will still read OK but on green and pink...
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Originally Posted by Sick Mother View Post

Go back over the past several pages, learn about dvzzz's saga and you'll understand.
post #12034 of 14514
What if you just get your money back from Best Buy and purchase from Cleveland Plasma and then have Chad calibrate? Takes the guesswork out, no?
post #12035 of 14514
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Originally Posted by mikek753 View Post

Anyone can help / guide me with calibration 70" Elite? Pls.
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Click here -> Calibration Info
post #12036 of 14514
Here's an interesting situation. If there are to be no more Elites and someone purchased the 4 year protection plan, what happens if they can't fix a potential problem and they have to replace it with an alternate model? Wouldn't that mean you would just get one of their basic edge lit sets? I highly doubt they would replace it with their $31,000 60" 4K models.
post #12037 of 14514
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Originally Posted by kdog750 View Post

Here's an interesting situation. If there are to be no more Elites and someone purchased the 4 year protection plan, what happens if they can't fix a potential problem and they have to replace it with an alternate model? Wouldn't that mean you would just get one of their basic edge lit sets? I highly doubt they would replace it with their $31,000 60" 4K models.
It depends on the fine print in the extended warranty. I believe ours (five additional years) would have given us the current market value for our 8G Kuro if the repair costs exceeded that market value, or parts weren't available. The extended warranty is now expired and the display is still going strong.
post #12038 of 14514
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Originally Posted by kdog750 View Post

Here's an interesting situation. If there are to be no more Elites and someone purchased the 4 year protection plan, what happens if they can't fix a potential problem and they have to replace it with an alternate model? Wouldn't that mean you would just get one of their basic edge lit sets? I highly doubt they would replace it with their $31,000 60" 4K models.

I ask about this when i purchased my 70 from Magnolia. So basically if something goes wrong with the se within the insurance plan. And they can't fix it. They'll rwplace it with something of equal value. Or if you want they can give a store credit.
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Originally Posted by AnotherDude View Post

Click here -> Calibration Info

thank you. I'll read it all.
However, so far I didn't find answer to my question about LED backlight.
With LD On the black will be 0 while white can go all the way with max backlight and brightness and contrast.
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Finally I setup i1D3 and can show random readings to proof uniformity issues
I can see green and red blobs and colorimeter reads those as well
Take a look at color readings in %s




















Any comments?
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^ I am not familiar with the software you are using, however, the color readings you are getting may be for grayscale. The readings of 99, 100, 100 etc. are what I would expect for grayscale numbers. Verify they are not grayscale before reaching any conclusions as to whether the set is defective. Regarding backlight, in THX mode I have it set at 15, one notch below the midpoint. Advice is to leave backlight at midpoint or slightly below in any mode. Use contrast to increase light output. Most calibrators want ~ 35 FL as there 100% output. The Elite can easily do that. Most DIYers use the THX mode for calibration.
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Originally Posted by mikek753 View Post

Finally I setup i1D3 and can show random readings to proof uniformity issues
I can see green and red blobs and colorimeter reads those as well
Take a look at color readings in %s




















Any comments?

Wow, I clearly see them.
post #12043 of 14514
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Originally Posted by mikek753 View Post

Finally I setup i1D3 and can show random readings to proof uniformity issues
I can see green and red blobs and colorimeter reads those as well
Take a look at color readings in %s




















Any comments?


Is this a Nov. batch too?
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In an unrelated problem, I had a board replaced in my Elite after the remote would no longer operate the set. Now it seems the set can no longer be calibrated. After a factory reset, the blue is at 200% at 100 IRE 75% sat and cannot be brought to less than 142% with the most extreme settings. Chromapure cannot auto-calibrate it either. I get some very wild results. Has anyone else had this problem? I have a "case" with Sharp where they have had me send them some useless pictures of the picture (which is noticably blue-tinted). Thanks in advance for your reply.
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Originally Posted by rhed View Post

Is this a Nov. batch too?

yes, it's Nov batch - I got it almost a month ago I think from Tracy, CA dist center
what do I do now?
post #12046 of 14514
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Originally Posted by dsinger View Post

^ I am not familiar with the software you are using, however, the color readings you are getting may be for grayscale. The readings of 99, 100, 100 etc. are what I would expect for grayscale numbers. Verify they are not grayscale before reaching any conclusions as to whether the set is defective. Regarding backlight, in THX mode I have it set at 15, one notch below the midpoint. Advice is to leave backlight at midpoint or slightly below in any mode. Use contrast to increase light output. Most calibrators want ~ 35 FL as there 100% output. The Elite can easily do that. Most DIYers use the THX mode for calibration.

Thanks for the reply.
The point for my pictures is to show that on grey 50% colorimeter reads diff values from diff points on the TV screen
yes, I calibrated one point to have all 100% and when move colorimeter to another position ether red or green went off and as much as 5%
I used Movie mode while disable everything, but LD for those pics
Also I used Game mode where all were off even LD for pics I post weeks ago.

The point to get full array to have even uniformity, isn't it?
post #12047 of 14514
I have had my 70" elite since just before Christmas. I managed to get my local BB to pricematch the original Danbury CT pricing - 5100+tax. The downside was that I ordered in October and it took until December to take delivery.

I was supplied with a Feb 2012 model - which is basically pretty good but the DSE is a little annoying. Last week I went to my local store and requested a replacement thinking I perhaps got a bad unit - I hadn't visited here for a while so was not aware of all the issues with the November 2012 batch. The replacement was delivered today, a November 2012 unit, but the backlighting uniformity was MUCH worse on the replacement. Both the bottom left and right corners had very uneven backlighting when compared to the top of the screen.

I therefore elected to keep my original unit (Feb 2012). I hope I can somehow tweak away the DSE a little, and to be honest I only notice an issue with light sky... but it is a little disappointing for a TV at this price point.
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If Chris is willing to go through 10+ sets to find me a grey one without green DSE before shipping, absolutely, if Chris is to ship me DSEed one and then go deal with Sharp then no thank you but no. I will let him chime in. Question is what Chris is going to do with 9 that will be with "mild and normal" DSE?

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Originally Posted by Sick Mother View Post

What if you just get your money back from Best Buy and purchase from Cleveland Plasma and then have Chad calibrate? Takes the guesswork out, no?
post #12049 of 14514
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Originally Posted by mikek753 View Post

yes, it's Nov batch - I got it almost a month ago I think from Tracy, CA dist center
what do I do now?

Well! Welcome to the club! lol.. just kiddn bro..
post #12050 of 14514
hi,

those are grey from 50% to 100%. You may see RGB settings in upper left











Could Nov batch QC issues be result of Sharp own LCD sold factory and contracted for those panels?

I called BB and setup replacement for the next week.
Now with Colorimeter and etc I'll be much faster to detect if any issues, while my hope about Nov batch is low eek.gif
And I don't have concrete plan, but hope to get good panel.
post #12051 of 14514
Well it looks like Sharp cheaped out on the the newer builds. For the premium price these are selling for, this is UNACCEPTABLE. While I realize no panel is perfect, this new issue is very noticable.
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My guess is i think all Nov. batch is bad. I mean so far who ever got a Nov. Elite. Chimed in here about DSE problems with there set. Myself included. Would really want someone here who got earlier production check their set if it's DSE free or not.
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Originally Posted by rhed View Post

My guess is i think all Nov. batch is bad. I mean so far who ever got a Nov. Elite. Chimed in here about DSE problems with there set. Myself included. Would really want someone here who got earlier production check their set if it's DSE free or not.

Should we all with DSE issue complain to Elite for Nov batch?
Will it get noticed and addressed?
Or we are minority who checks for those issues , who expects good QC at premium price?
Any ideas?
post #12054 of 14514
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Originally Posted by mikek753 View Post

Should we all with DSE issue complain to Elite for Nov batch?
Will it get noticed and addressed?
Or we are minority who checks for those issues , who expects good QC at premium price?
Any ideas?

How about PREMIUM quality, at premium price? Is that too much to ask for?

BTW>>>>Is this only on the 70" Or is it affecting the 60 too?
Edited by yamvmax - 1/19/13 at 3:17pm
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Guys, maxed out all of credit cards to complete the test, I have units 5 and 6 sitting in my room warming up. Best Buy thought it is best if I take the remaining two and test at home. One came with noticeable two milky white circles on the panel that I noted to the delivery crew but it was condensation, that after 3 hours went away. That proves a point that there is space in between the actual LCD panel and diffuser panel. They either improperly attached or they broke quality cycle somewhere and now diffusers are just hanging loose.

I can tell you if 6 sets will all have green/pink DSE, then Sharp is blowing some serious smoke into our faces, and frankly, coming from the most laid back guy on a block, who tips the delivery guys that left nasty black marks on the white carpet...

I will have no problem taking this issue to Attorney General for the State, I am so tired of Sharp's lies. This is unacceptable by any standards. Nothing against my Best Buy , they are helping me immensly, but I am tired of cleaning white carpet after delivery guys leave black marks on it and vacuuming the hallways to remove foam.

If these two sets are still with pink/green DSE, then Sharp needs to wake up and accept and really re-purchase sets back as a recall. Will it happen, no, there is not enough of us, to make it happen. Will Sharp notice, no, they are busy updating their resumes as they have families to feed too.

So, what shall we do? Just let go of Elite.
Edited by dvzzz - 1/19/13 at 4:41pm
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Set #5, make sure to see #6 too in the next post, you will be thrilled...
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Set # 6, did not even put grey patterns on, it is bad on start. All shots are in THX mode with LD On.
First shot are those milky white shots that I saw when they brought it in.

I am completely disgusted with Sharp, there is a good reason they are going down... At least I see it now after 6 really bad DSE green sets. Finally, I closed Elite book. I am not an evil person but I am frustrated to the point of boiling.




Edited by dvzzz - 1/19/13 at 4:35pm
post #12058 of 14514
Although I tire from reading all the issues from the recent batch of Elites, I do sympathize with you going through so much effort finding an acceptable TV. I've never tested my 70" for the green DSE, I have watched frozen planet once and did not notice anything usual. I still love my set and feel it's well worth the $4850 I spent early last year.
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Thanks, Frozen Planet was that movie that triggered my testing spree. If you do not see it, you do not have it. Early Elites were supreme and trouble free. I bet they are using diff panels in Nov2012 batch to lowcost these units.
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Originally Posted by HD 335 View Post

Although I tire from reading all the issues from the recent batch of Elites, I do sympathize with you going through so much effort finding an acceptable TV. I've never tested my 70" for the green DSE, I have watched frozen planet once and did not notice anything usual. I still love my set and feel it's well worth the $4850 I spent early last year.
post #12060 of 14514
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Originally Posted by dvzzz View Post

Thanks, Frozen Planet was that movie that triggered my testing spree. If you do not see it, you do not have it. Early Elites were supreme and trouble free. I bet they are using diff panels in Nov2012 batch to lowcost these units.

I believe mine was a September 2010 build, one of the first Elites to hit the showroom at Magnolia/Best Buy. I think it maybe time for you to call it quits and wait for another set that balances performance and cost. You may not get the deep Elite blacks and eye burning whites with another set, but you probably pay substantially less.
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