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post #12091 of 14509
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Originally Posted by rhed View Post

I would still like to see other members with earlier builds to at least run the slides and see if their sets are DSE free.

I have had 2 70" sets before my current Nov12 set; no green/pink patches whatsoever.

1st set from Cleveland Plasma in Oct11, no uniformity issues. Replaced by Sharp for pulsing issue.
2nd set from Sharp in Dec11, no uniformity issues. Replaced by Sharp for vertical column of blue LEDs going out.
3rd set from Sharp in Dec12 (Nov12 build date), green/pink patches.
Edited by N3W813 - 1/20/13 at 12:11pm
post #12092 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Pannus View Post

In an unrelated problem, I had a board replaced in my Elite after the remote would no longer operate the set. Now it seems the set can no longer be calibrated. After a factory reset, the blue is at 200% at 100 IRE 75% sat and cannot be brought to less than 142% with the most extreme settings. Chromapure cannot auto-calibrate it either. I get some very wild results. Has anyone else had this problem? I have a "case" with Sharp where they have had me send them some useless pictures of the picture (which is noticably blue-tinted). Thanks in advance for your reply.

Yes, I've seen this before after I had the main board of my 1st Elite replaced by a Sharp technician. Greyscale out-of-the-box is close to 8500K (VERY blue), and calibration controls in the user menus CANNOT dial the blue channel low enough to reach 6500K.

Here is the cause....
All sets' greyscales are semi-calibrated coming out of the factory. The greyscale settings are then stored in the main system board. When the system board is replaced, the settings in the new system board are 'default', non-calibrated settings. So the only way is to adjust the blue greyscale settings in the service menu first, then you will be able to calibrate the set to 6500K using the user menu settings.

But my suggestion is to call Sharp and just get the set replaced.... that is if you are ok with getting a Nov12 set tongue.gif
post #12093 of 14509
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Originally Posted by N3W813 View Post

Yes, I've seen this before after I had the main board of my 1st Elite replaced by a Sharp technician. Greyscale out-of-the-box is close to 8500K (VERY blue), and calibration controls in the user menus CANNOT dial the blue channel low enough to reach 6500K.

Here is the cause....
All sets' greyscales are semi-calibrated coming out of the factory. The greyscale settings are then stored in the main system board. When the system board is replaced, the settings in the new system board are 'default', non-calibrated settings. So the only way is to adjust the blue greyscale settings in the service menu first, then you will be able to calibrate the set to 6500K using the user menu settings.

But my suggestion is to call Sharp and just get the set replaced.... that is if you are ok with getting a Nov12 set tongue.gif

I can't lower my Blue any lower to get where it has to be.
Yes, original even "low" produced 7000+
I have Blue in D65 chart on right and so far was not able to move it to x=0.15, the best was 0.156
I have played with 10 point and that resulted with bad gamma, so no compromise there, while Lo and Hi got me better overall results
via CMS I was able to dial right positions for all, but Blue, it just not moving to the left

Could it be due to my "Nov batch" issue?
Any help are very welcome.
post #12094 of 14509
Interesting on the blue issue. I was watching the movie "Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close" with Tom Hanks. Theres an extended scene where the kid is talking to a man and there is a blue backround light. The blue tint cast on the actors' faces was ridiculously overpowering. Almost like they had blue paint smeared on their faces. I've only seen it on this one movie so I thought it might be an anomoly. Sounds like it's a problem though. I still have 10 days to return the set so I haven't done much calibrating, certainly no professional calibration.
Edited by kdog750 - 1/20/13 at 4:47pm
post #12095 of 14509
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Originally Posted by N3W813 View Post

I have had 2 70" sets before my current Nov12 set; no green/pink patches whatsoever.

1st set from Cleveland Plasma in Oct11, no uniformity issues. Replaced by Sharp for pulsing issue.
2nd set from Sharp in Dec11, no uniformity issues. Replaced by Sharp for vertical column of blue LEDs going out.
3rd set from Sharp in Dec12 (Nov12 build date), green/pink patches.

That's a pretty strong indication of what's been going on with Nov builds. Too bad, really.
post #12096 of 14509
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Originally Posted by obxdiver View Post

I used these
http://www.eaprogramming.com/downloads/files/BreakIn_Images.zip

Great, thanks!
post #12097 of 14509
Does it make sense even to try to calibrate my TV that has green and pink blobs (Nov batch)?
The issue is that I can't reproduce colorimeter readings as it's extremely dependent from sensor position.
It just color shifts above 5%.
This my example readings I posted before post_22849960

What pro Calibrator who reads this Elite thread would recommend for this matter to do?
Will you even take the job at such uniformity?
If you will take the job, what part of screen you'll place the sensor on?

Thanks for pro opinion.
post #12098 of 14509
I can't decide what to do. With Sharp possibly stopping production I don't know if I should just keep my Nov. 2012 build 60 inch, take it back and get a Nov. build 70 inch (1k difference) or get the Sony 65HX950. After reading about all of the Nov. build problems I am just not sure. I think Illinois is out of 70 and Best Buy would have to bring in one from another state. Wish I knew the best option but can't make up my mind.
post #12099 of 14509
This is a pic from that movie I mentioned (Extremely Loud, Incredibly close). The blues seem quite a bit overpowering. Is this what some where talking about?



post #12100 of 14509
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Originally Posted by rhed View Post

Yea.. I spent 7 g's on mine. I have that green stuff on my set too. A this point I don't know what to do. I'm thinking of going back to Magnolia where I purchased the set from. And run the slides on their floor model that they had for over a year now. If that doesn't have that green stuff then I'm gonna ask if I can get their floor model instead for a way lower price. And return my current one.

So went to Magnolia today where I got my set from. First I explained the sales person who sold me my 70 what's going on. Then we ran the slides on the floor model. And guess what! Perfectly, nice, and bright whites. All the way to the grays with no splotches. And before we went on about it, they said that they have to exchange mines. They even said having greenish stuffs on the whites is no exception for the money any customer for this price point. All customer is supposed to get what they pay for. And I was like to myself "wow" what service. Anyway he went and check the system for another 70 if they had in stock and they had it. And it'll arrive on the 31st. So what they will do is before they deliver it to my home when it comes in they will call me. Then they'll take it out of the box in front of me. Then we'll test it out. And if I like it they'll deliver it and swap it out. Or if I don't like it I can still take the floor model which I told them hold it just in case. Btw, it's confirmed. Their computer says Elite will be discontinued.
post #12101 of 14509
The floor model that they had in the store for 7 months had perfect white too, they just replaced it due to 3 stuck pixels with Nov2012 and that is ugly green. Make sure that you can get that floor unit from them, try very hard, this is my suggestion. Nov2012 are just different panels.
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Originally Posted by rhed View Post

So went to Magnolia today where I got my set from. First I explained the sales person who sold me my 70 what's going on. Then we ran the slides on the floor model. And guess what! Perfectly, nice, and bright whites. All the way to the grays with no splotches. And before we went on about it, they said that they have to exchange mines. They even said having greenish stuffs on the whites is no exception for the money any customer for this price point. All customer is supposed to get what they pay for. And I was like to myself "wow" what service. Anyway he went and check the system for another 70 if they had in stock and they had it. And it'll arrive on the 31st. So what they will do is before they deliver it to my home when it comes in they will call me. Then they'll take it out of the box in front of me. Then we'll test it out. And if I like it they'll deliver it and swap it out. Or if I don't like it I can still take the floor model which I told them hold it just in case. Btw, it's confirmed. Their computer says Elite will be discontinued.
post #12102 of 14509
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Originally Posted by kdog750 View Post

This is a pic from that movie I mentioned (Extremely Loud, Incredibly close). The blues seem quite a bit overpowering. Is this what some where talking about?






kdog... What chapter is that. I'm thinking of getting this blu ray to test out the new set when it comes in. Anyone else can recommend other blu rays for me to use as test disk?
post #12103 of 14509
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Originally Posted by dvzzz View Post

The floor model that they had in the store for 7 months had perfect white too, they just replaced it due to 3 stuck pixels with Nov2012 and that is ugly green. Make sure that you can get that floor unit from them, try very hard, this is my suggestion. Nov2012 are just different panels.

dvzz.. Yea bro, I told them to hold the floor model incase the new set is bad too.. And you're right about BB/Magnolia. They have really good service.
post #12104 of 14509
rhed:

thats chapter 11. 1:42 into the movie. This is the regular DVD copy since they had the blu ray rented out, but its the same on both disks.
post #12105 of 14509
I just hooked up my blu ray player back to my Epson projector. It's not the source material because it looks perfect on my projector.
post #12106 of 14509
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Originally Posted by rhed View Post

So went to Magnolia today where I got my set from. First I explained the sales person who sold me my 70 what's going on. Then we ran the slides on the floor model. And guess what! Perfectly, nice, and bright whites. All the way to the grays with no splotches. And before we went on about it, they said that they have to exchange mines. They even said having greenish stuffs on the whites is no exception for the money any customer for this price point. All customer is supposed to get what they pay for. And I was like to myself "wow" what service. Anyway he went and check the system for another 70 if they had in stock and they had it. And it'll arrive on the 31st. So what they will do is before they deliver it to my home when it comes in they will call me. Then they'll take it out of the box in front of me. Then we'll test it out. And if I like it they'll deliver it and swap it out. Or if I don't like it I can still take the floor model which I told them hold it just in case. Btw, it's confirmed. Their computer says Elite will be discontinued.
Just to be clear Best Buy is discontinuing the Elite not Sharp. I spoke with the Elite department today and they are still making this series of panels.
post #12107 of 14509
I have talked to two Sharp executives 5 days ago, one is acting as a GM, they clearly told me Elite is done for good. Very clear and loud. Two senior execs over there - same message. No more production and factory in Mexico is under new mgmt.

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Originally Posted by floridaman View Post

Just to be clear Best Buy is discontinuing the Elite not Sharp. I spoke with the Elite department today and they are still making this series of panels.
post #12108 of 14509
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Originally Posted by floridaman View Post

Just to be clear Best Buy is discontinuing the Elite not Sharp. I spoke with the Elite department today and they are still making this series of panels.

So as BB being one Sharps major authorized dealers in the US will stop dealing Sharp products period? Sharp owns and manufactures the Elite.
post #12109 of 14509
So has anyone purchased the 60" from Pauls TV? And if so what is the best price right now on this set? PM please, thanks
post #12110 of 14509
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Originally Posted by kdog750 View Post

This is a pic from that movie I mentioned (Extremely Loud, Incredibly close). The blues seem quite a bit overpowering. Is this what some where talking about?




No, the blue issue I was talking about only affects greyscale. If you have the issue, the ENTIRE screen and ANYTHING shown on the TV will look like it is tinted blue.

Your issue looks like there is something wrong with the CMS settings for Blue or Cyan. Or maybe something wrong with the set. I just viewed the same scene on Bluray on my 70", no issues.
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Edited by kdog750 - 1/20/13 at 9:35pm
post #12112 of 14509
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Originally Posted by nessptca View Post

viewing angle is definitely the elite's weak point but at 20 degrees the drop off in PQ is minimal. I must say maybe due to the size difference, I find my 70 has better viewing angles than my 60. I don't understand how this is but it's something I noticed.1.gif

If the screen is bigger, the sweet spot will be bigger and so the viewing "cone" will be larger. In other words, the apparent viewing angle will be better, even if the exact number of degrees is the same. It's also true that the panels are not identical and that the 70" panels might even have a few more degrees to work with with in addition to the larger viewing cone.
post #12113 of 14509
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Originally Posted by dvzzz View Post

I have talked to two Sharp executives 5 days ago, one is acting as a GM, they clearly told me Elite is done for good. Very clear and loud. Two senior execs over there - same message. No more production and factory in Mexico is under new mgmt.
If Sharp is not making the Elite don't you think they would have made an official announcement. I spoke with someone in Sharp support who works very closely with production and they clearly stated that production isn't being halted. Everyone seems to think that November was the last month they built these units but in fact there are units with serial numbers that start with 212 which means these units were built in December. Do you really believe you could call Sharp and talk directly to a General manager? Not likely and just because Best Buy isn't going to sell the units anymore doesn't mean Sharp is stopping production. I also think if the sets weren't being produced anymore that the retail prices would be dropping considerably just like what happened when Pioneer stopped production.
post #12114 of 14509
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Originally Posted by floridaman View Post

If Sharp is not making the Elite don't you think they would have made an official announcement. I spoke with someone in Sharp support who works very closely with production and they clearly stated that production isn't being halted. Everyone seems to think that November was the last month they built these units but in fact there are units with serial numbers that start with 212 which means these units were built in December. Do you really believe you could call Sharp and talk directly to a General manager? Not likely and just because Best Buy isn't going to sell the units anymore doesn't mean Sharp is stopping production. I also think if the sets weren't being produced anymore that the retail prices would be dropping considerably just like what happened when Pioneer stopped production.

This sounds like an example of what I was talking about earlier. Talk to five different execs and you will get five different answers as to whether the Elite will continue. This is often the case in a larger corporation. The left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing. I imagine this is made much worse by the fact they lost almost 6 billion dollars last year. Probably mass confusion as all the top people are scrambling around trying to make quick changes to turn things around.
post #12115 of 14509
Pictures of my 70. Box shows NOV2012 on the serial number label.
I don't see green blobs, but of course I have old eyes.


post #12116 of 14509
I see a very faint traice in the center, but it's not bad. Looks like you got a good one.
post #12117 of 14509
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Originally Posted by floridaman View Post

Just to be clear Best Buy is discontinuing the Elite not Sharp. I spoke with the Elite department today and they are still making this series of panels.

That certainly seems to be the case from the below video. The rumors might be untrue which is why I've said repeatedly to be careful about these rumors.

Watch this video and you'll hear the Sharp Rep @ CES mention the Elite several times as a 2013 offering. Granted there aren't specifics given, but she does specifically mention the Elite line.

http://www.avforums.com/tv/index.php?videoid=445&utm_campaign=january_2013_newsletter&utm_source=Suite26&utm_medium=Email+Campaign
post #12118 of 14509
Jwcole..that set I must say is much better for a Nov. build. Not perfect just better then what I had or dvzzz,newbie. But still not the greatest. The floor model I tested yesterday at BB was evenly colored across the screen. And it was a earlier build. There bringing in another brand new 70 for me to test out before we do the swap.
post #12119 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

That certainly seems to be the case from the below video. The rumors might be untrue which is why I've said repeatedly to be careful about these rumors.

Watch this video and you'll hear the Sharp Rep @ CES mention the Elite several times as a 2013 offering. Granted there aren't specifics given, but she does specifically mention the Elite line.

http://www.avforums.com/tv/index.php?videoid=445&utm_campaign=january_2013_newsletter&utm_source=Suite26&utm_medium=Email+Campaign

Thanks Ross for that clip.. Yea I heard that part about Sharp is continuing the the Elite line for 2013. Well I hope that's true. Because it is one of the best panel now in PQ. And good news for us who got a bad batch. Because as for me, I'm gonna keep searching for a DSE free panel before I exchange mines.
post #12120 of 14509
My problem with the excessive blues in that movie scene were a result of artifacts introduced viewing the source material outside of THX. I know the higher settings can cause innaccuracies but this is the only time I've ever seen it noticeable, let alone extreme. When I put it on THX and local dimming on, it displayed correctly. Any other setting than that and the shadows turned absurdly blue.
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