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post #12091 of 13287
1/19/13 at 11:50pm
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Originally Posted by PalJoey View Post

Thinking about grabbing another Elite before they are discontinued. Probably going to stick with another 60 inch but I was wondering if my off axis would improve with a 70 inch assuming all other things remain the same (i.e. viewing distances). Thanks!
I'm not capable of doing the math, but my "informed" :eek:guess is that the off axes viewing would be very slightly improved. The wider screen will improve immersion for those sitting in the sweet spot.
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post #12092 of 13287
1/19/13 at 11:56pm
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Originally Posted by PalJoey View Post

Thinking about grabbing another Elite before they are discontinued. Probably going to stick with another 60 inch but I was wondering if my off axis would improve with a 70 inch assuming all other things remain the same (i.e. viewing distances). Thanks!

This is issue of LCD tech that is worse for full array sets, where light goes almost directly through the LCD hole.
Contrast and colors will suffer from off axis position and only you can say if that will be deal breaker for you or not.
What's more if you'll be to close to TV you will see washout on sides.
Go into store and see yourself.

However, if you worry about off axis there is plasma if you don't mind.
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post #12093 of 13287
1/20/13 at 2:32am
I didn't run the slides but I did watch 3 Different snowboarding movies tonight and looked as hard as I could for it everywhere but saw no green blobs anywhere on my 70" biggrin.gif. Mine is an August 2011 build date. I did see very slight grey DSE during some panning scenes, but DEFINITELY no green. All that really matters to me is that I don't see it in my normal viewing, which a lot of these 2012 builds are doing and I would NEVER accept having to watch my X games and snowboarding videos with giant green blobs in all the snow. I truly feel lucky to have this amazing set slimer free! I really hope you can find one somehow.
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post #12094 of 13287
1/20/13 at 5:17am
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post


I did state above, that I think the Elites have had the same issue the whole time, not just after Nov 2012 . No one made note of it or checked

It would be interesting to see similar pix taken with earlier build dates. That would either confirm Chris' theory or confirm the issue is restricted to Nov build dates. Rad, are you up to checking yours?

I don't have a 70", I have the 60". I haven't seen complaints regarding recent 60s, but who knows?
Edited by Ken Ross - 1/20/13 at 5:22am
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post #12095 of 13287
1/20/13 at 6:30am
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

Exactly, one would have to pick this, that, or the other. You have two local dimming panels, being made by two different manufacturer's, both with there own issues. No more being made by anyone. Guess The TC-P65VT50 would deserve a spin, along with a projector if the room suite's .
I did state above, that I think the Elites have had the same issue the whole time, not just after Nov 2012 . No one made note of it or checked there panel........

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Remember we are all just chatting, there is no right or wrong except the guy with the $$$ and about to buy a set. To each his own. I personally love all flat panels, for this reason or that reason. They look great on the wall and sure beat a tube or rear projection. No hater here wink.gif Pro's and cons to everything, just trying to shed my views coming from a different angle.......
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Chris & Rhed: My 70X5 was built in 8/11. I have calibrated it at least 6 times manually (Chromapure, Chroma 5 and Lumagen Radiance XD) and having done a 21 point grayscale/gamma that many times I have not seen any off color problems. Regarding DSE, I have none. DSE was brought up a few times early in this thread but seemed to rarely occur.
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post #12096 of 13287
1/20/13 at 7:18am
First off, where do I find the build date?
I purchased my set (70") in November 2011 from BB.
I just put up the D-NICE slides for the plasma break in's.
I see absolutely no green or pink on the gray slides. I do see so very faint darker gray bands but I have to look hard.
On a full white screen, its is fully white w/o greens or pinks.
On a fully black screen, it is perfectly black everywhere in a totally darken room.
It is hard to see the starting of the bezel.
I have been in this thread since Sept 2011.
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post #12097 of 13287
1/20/13 at 9:13am
Just an update on my 70 Elite for you guys

I have had my set now for 6 days watching it regularly with Blu-rays and HD cable content and am thrilled. So far I have noticed no pink blotches, green blotches, DSE or screen uniformity issues. I have not run any calibration software (I plan to leave that to a pro). If this set has flaws either I can't see them or I don't know what to look for. If I can't see them (and I have good vision) then I don't care. If I simply don't know what to look for there is no way I'm going out of my way to try and find them and ruin the experience for myself. As long as the set looks reference in the end, what the screen MIGHT look like on test images is irrelevant to me.

Blacks are gorgeous on this thing and it has wonderful motion. The level of detail is just crazy and I can't picture myself being happier with any another set (or at least a set under $20k).

For those of you out there on the fence, get one while you still can.

John
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post #12098 of 13287
1/20/13 at 9:28am
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Originally Posted by dsinger View Post

Chris & Rhed: My 70X5 was built in 8/11. I have calibrated it at least 6 times manually (Chromapure, Chroma 5 and Lumagen Radiance XD) and having done a 21 point grayscale/gamma that many times I have not seen any off color problems. Regarding DSE, I have none. DSE was brought up a few times early in this thread but seemed to rarely occur.

Sounds like its a new issue. I wonder if sharp knew it was done with the elite, and let QC decline??? Im wondering if these are still being manufacured, or if they are completely done?
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post #12099 of 13287
1/20/13 at 9:57am
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Originally Posted by Sick Mother View Post

Just an update on my 70 Elite for you guys

I have had my set now for 6 days watching it regularly with Blu-rays and HD cable content and am thrilled. So far I have noticed no pink blotches, green blotches, DSE or screen uniformity issues. I have not run any calibration software (I plan to leave that to a pro). If this set has flaws either I can't see them or I don't know what to look for. If I can't see them (and I have good vision) then I don't care. If I simply don't know what to look for there is no way I'm going out of my way to try and find them and ruin the experience for myself. As long as the set looks reference in the end, what the screen MIGHT look like on test images is irrelevant to me.

Blacks are gorgeous on this thing and it has wonderful motion. The level of detail is just crazy and I can't picture myself being happier with any another set (or at least a set under $20k).

For those of you out there on the fence, get one while you still can.

John

Yea.. Like what dvzz said. If you can't see it. Don't look for it. And my suggestion is don't run the slides if you haven't yet. And "IF" it's there and you want to get it professionally calibrated! Save your time and $ and don't get it done because the ISF calibrator won't be able to do it if it is.. Just enjoy your set and maybe use settings from newbie or cnet.
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post #12100 of 13287
1/20/13 at 10:06am
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Originally Posted by obxdiver View Post

First off, where do I find the build date?
I purchased my set (70") in November 2011 from BB.
I just put up the D-NICE slides for the plasma break in's.
I see absolutely no green or pink on the gray slides. I do see so very faint darker gray bands but I have to look hard.
On a full white screen, its is fully white w/o greens or pinks.
On a fully black screen, it is perfectly black everywhere in a totally darken room.
It is hard to see the starting of the bezel.
I have been in this thread since Sept 2011.

You're so lucky you got a earlier build. It seems the green blobs are being discovered on the 2012 Nov. builds. Which probably the last builds. I'm going to my local Magnolia today and run the slides on their floor model. I've talked to the manager yesterday on the phone and he said if I like the floor model after I check it out. Then all I do is return my new set to them and they'll sell me the floor model for $3200. I think if I like it then I'll tell them $2800 instead since that 70" floor model is a year old.
Edited by rhed - 1/20/13 at 11:23am
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post #12101 of 13287
1/20/13 at 11:28am
Does anybody have a link to these slides, I am headed to bestbuy today and would like to check their floor model.
Thanks
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post #12102 of 13287
1/20/13 at 12:00pm
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Originally Posted by nutsfu View Post

Does anybody have a link to these slides, I am headed to bestbuy today and would like to check their floor model.
Thanks

I used these
http://www.eaprogramming.com/downloads/files/BreakIn_Images.zip
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post #12103 of 13287
1/20/13 at 12:03pm
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Originally Posted by rhed View Post

I would still like to see other members with earlier builds to at least run the slides and see if their sets are DSE free.

I have had 2 70" sets before my current Nov12 set; no green/pink patches whatsoever.

1st set from Cleveland Plasma in Oct11, no uniformity issues. Replaced by Sharp for pulsing issue.
2nd set from Sharp in Dec11, no uniformity issues. Replaced by Sharp for vertical column of blue LEDs going out.
3rd set from Sharp in Dec12 (Nov12 build date), green/pink patches.
Edited by N3W813 - 1/20/13 at 12:11pm
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post #12104 of 13287
1/20/13 at 12:23pm
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Originally Posted by Pannus View Post

In an unrelated problem, I had a board replaced in my Elite after the remote would no longer operate the set. Now it seems the set can no longer be calibrated. After a factory reset, the blue is at 200% at 100 IRE 75% sat and cannot be brought to less than 142% with the most extreme settings. Chromapure cannot auto-calibrate it either. I get some very wild results. Has anyone else had this problem? I have a "case" with Sharp where they have had me send them some useless pictures of the picture (which is noticably blue-tinted). Thanks in advance for your reply.

Yes, I've seen this before after I had the main board of my 1st Elite replaced by a Sharp technician. Greyscale out-of-the-box is close to 8500K (VERY blue), and calibration controls in the user menus CANNOT dial the blue channel low enough to reach 6500K.

Here is the cause....
All sets' greyscales are semi-calibrated coming out of the factory. The greyscale settings are then stored in the main system board. When the system board is replaced, the settings in the new system board are 'default', non-calibrated settings. So the only way is to adjust the blue greyscale settings in the service menu first, then you will be able to calibrate the set to 6500K using the user menu settings.

But my suggestion is to call Sharp and just get the set replaced.... that is if you are ok with getting a Nov12 set tongue.gif
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post #12105 of 13287
1/20/13 at 12:42pm
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Originally Posted by N3W813 View Post

Yes, I've seen this before after I had the main board of my 1st Elite replaced by a Sharp technician. Greyscale out-of-the-box is close to 8500K (VERY blue), and calibration controls in the user menus CANNOT dial the blue channel low enough to reach 6500K.

Here is the cause....
All sets' greyscales are semi-calibrated coming out of the factory. The greyscale settings are then stored in the main system board. When the system board is replaced, the settings in the new system board are 'default', non-calibrated settings. So the only way is to adjust the blue greyscale settings in the service menu first, then you will be able to calibrate the set to 6500K using the user menu settings.

But my suggestion is to call Sharp and just get the set replaced.... that is if you are ok with getting a Nov12 set tongue.gif

I can't lower my Blue any lower to get where it has to be.
Yes, original even "low" produced 7000+
I have Blue in D65 chart on right and so far was not able to move it to x=0.15, the best was 0.156
I have played with 10 point and that resulted with bad gamma, so no compromise there, while Lo and Hi got me better overall results
via CMS I was able to dial right positions for all, but Blue, it just not moving to the left

Could it be due to my "Nov batch" issue?
Any help are very welcome.
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post #12106 of 13287
1/20/13 at 1:05pm
Interesting on the blue issue. I was watching the movie "Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close" with Tom Hanks. Theres an extended scene where the kid is talking to a man and there is a blue backround light. The blue tint cast on the actors' faces was ridiculously overpowering. Almost like they had blue paint smeared on their faces. I've only seen it on this one movie so I thought it might be an anomoly. Sounds like it's a problem though. I still have 10 days to return the set so I haven't done much calibrating, certainly no professional calibration.
Edited by kdog750 - 1/20/13 at 4:47pm
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post #12107 of 13287
1/20/13 at 1:18pm
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Originally Posted by N3W813 View Post

I have had 2 70" sets before my current Nov12 set; no green/pink patches whatsoever.

1st set from Cleveland Plasma in Oct11, no uniformity issues. Replaced by Sharp for pulsing issue.
2nd set from Sharp in Dec11, no uniformity issues. Replaced by Sharp for vertical column of blue LEDs going out.
3rd set from Sharp in Dec12 (Nov12 build date), green/pink patches.

That's a pretty strong indication of what's been going on with Nov builds. Too bad, really.
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post #12108 of 13287
1/20/13 at 2:38pm
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I used these
http://www.eaprogramming.com/downloads/files/BreakIn_Images.zip

Great, thanks!
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post #12109 of 13287
1/20/13 at 3:34pm
Does it make sense even to try to calibrate my TV that has green and pink blobs (Nov batch)?
The issue is that I can't reproduce colorimeter readings as it's extremely dependent from sensor position.
It just color shifts above 5%.
This my example readings I posted before post_22849960

What pro Calibrator who reads this Elite thread would recommend for this matter to do?
Will you even take the job at such uniformity?
If you will take the job, what part of screen you'll place the sensor on?

Thanks for pro opinion.
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post #12110 of 13287
1/20/13 at 3:36pm
I can't decide what to do. With Sharp possibly stopping production I don't know if I should just keep my Nov. 2012 build 60 inch, take it back and get a Nov. build 70 inch (1k difference) or get the Sony 65HX950. After reading about all of the Nov. build problems I am just not sure. I think Illinois is out of 70 and Best Buy would have to bring in one from another state. Wish I knew the best option but can't make up my mind.
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post #12111 of 13287
1/20/13 at 4:46pm
This is a pic from that movie I mentioned (Extremely Loud, Incredibly close). The blues seem quite a bit overpowering. Is this what some where talking about?



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1/20/13 at 6:03pm
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Yea.. I spent 7 g's on mine. I have that green stuff on my set too. A this point I don't know what to do. I'm thinking of going back to Magnolia where I purchased the set from. And run the slides on their floor model that they had for over a year now. If that doesn't have that green stuff then I'm gonna ask if I can get their floor model instead for a way lower price. And return my current one.

So went to Magnolia today where I got my set from. First I explained the sales person who sold me my 70 what's going on. Then we ran the slides on the floor model. And guess what! Perfectly, nice, and bright whites. All the way to the grays with no splotches. And before we went on about it, they said that they have to exchange mines. They even said having greenish stuffs on the whites is no exception for the money any customer for this price point. All customer is supposed to get what they pay for. And I was like to myself "wow" what service. Anyway he went and check the system for another 70 if they had in stock and they had it. And it'll arrive on the 31st. So what they will do is before they deliver it to my home when it comes in they will call me. Then they'll take it out of the box in front of me. Then we'll test it out. And if I like it they'll deliver it and swap it out. Or if I don't like it I can still take the floor model which I told them hold it just in case. Btw, it's confirmed. Their computer says Elite will be discontinued.
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post #12113 of 13287
1/20/13 at 6:08pm
The floor model that they had in the store for 7 months had perfect white too, they just replaced it due to 3 stuck pixels with Nov2012 and that is ugly green. Make sure that you can get that floor unit from them, try very hard, this is my suggestion. Nov2012 are just different panels.
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So went to Magnolia today where I got my set from. First I explained the sales person who sold me my 70 what's going on. Then we ran the slides on the floor model. And guess what! Perfectly, nice, and bright whites. All the way to the grays with no splotches. And before we went on about it, they said that they have to exchange mines. They even said having greenish stuffs on the whites is no exception for the money any customer for this price point. All customer is supposed to get what they pay for. And I was like to myself "wow" what service. Anyway he went and check the system for another 70 if they had in stock and they had it. And it'll arrive on the 31st. So what they will do is before they deliver it to my home when it comes in they will call me. Then they'll take it out of the box in front of me. Then we'll test it out. And if I like it they'll deliver it and swap it out. Or if I don't like it I can still take the floor model which I told them hold it just in case. Btw, it's confirmed. Their computer says Elite will be discontinued.
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post #12114 of 13287
1/20/13 at 6:10pm
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This is a pic from that movie I mentioned (Extremely Loud, Incredibly close). The blues seem quite a bit overpowering. Is this what some where talking about?






kdog... What chapter is that. I'm thinking of getting this blu ray to test out the new set when it comes in. Anyone else can recommend other blu rays for me to use as test disk?
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post #12115 of 13287
1/20/13 at 6:13pm
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Originally Posted by dvzzz View Post

The floor model that they had in the store for 7 months had perfect white too, they just replaced it due to 3 stuck pixels with Nov2012 and that is ugly green. Make sure that you can get that floor unit from them, try very hard, this is my suggestion. Nov2012 are just different panels.

dvzz.. Yea bro, I told them to hold the floor model incase the new set is bad too.. And you're right about BB/Magnolia. They have really good service.
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post #12116 of 13287
1/20/13 at 6:16pm
rhed:

thats chapter 11. 1:42 into the movie. This is the regular DVD copy since they had the blu ray rented out, but its the same on both disks.
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post #12117 of 13287
1/20/13 at 6:26pm
I just hooked up my blu ray player back to my Epson projector. It's not the source material because it looks perfect on my projector.
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post #12118 of 13287
1/20/13 at 7:32pm
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Originally Posted by rhed View Post

So went to Magnolia today where I got my set from. First I explained the sales person who sold me my 70 what's going on. Then we ran the slides on the floor model. And guess what! Perfectly, nice, and bright whites. All the way to the grays with no splotches. And before we went on about it, they said that they have to exchange mines. They even said having greenish stuffs on the whites is no exception for the money any customer for this price point. All customer is supposed to get what they pay for. And I was like to myself "wow" what service. Anyway he went and check the system for another 70 if they had in stock and they had it. And it'll arrive on the 31st. So what they will do is before they deliver it to my home when it comes in they will call me. Then they'll take it out of the box in front of me. Then we'll test it out. And if I like it they'll deliver it and swap it out. Or if I don't like it I can still take the floor model which I told them hold it just in case. Btw, it's confirmed. Their computer says Elite will be discontinued.
Just to be clear Best Buy is discontinuing the Elite not Sharp. I spoke with the Elite department today and they are still making this series of panels.
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post #12119 of 13287
1/20/13 at 7:37pm
I have talked to two Sharp executives 5 days ago, one is acting as a GM, they clearly told me Elite is done for good. Very clear and loud. Two senior execs over there - same message. No more production and factory in Mexico is under new mgmt.

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Just to be clear Best Buy is discontinuing the Elite not Sharp. I spoke with the Elite department today and they are still making this series of panels.
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post #12120 of 13287
1/20/13 at 7:51pm
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Originally Posted by floridaman View Post

Just to be clear Best Buy is discontinuing the Elite not Sharp. I spoke with the Elite department today and they are still making this series of panels.

So as BB being one Sharps major authorized dealers in the US will stop dealing Sharp products period? Sharp owns and manufactures the Elite.
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