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post #12121 of 14509
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Originally Posted by jwcole1224 View Post

Pictures of my 70. Box shows NOV2012 on the serial number label.
I don't see green blobs, but of course I have old eyes.


That looks like a fine panel. Pictures taken will always show anomalies in a more extreme way. From those pics i can see some very faint dse, but nothing to complain about, nor green blotches. And I can just about guarantee that you dont see any issues like what has been discussed in here, when watching normal content on this panel. No panel is perfect with any set, but this one looks good to me. Thanks for sharing.
post #12122 of 14509
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Originally Posted by jwcole1224 View Post

Pictures of my 70. Box shows NOV2012 on the serial number label.
I don't see green blobs, but of course I have old eyes.



thanks for posting your TV pics
This gives me optimism to get better replacement vs I have ;-)
post #12123 of 14509
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by kdog750 View Post

That's a good point, It would be great if someone with an earlier build would run the same tests. Surely someone like Ken Ross or one of the other long time Elite posters could run this test for results

I'll try and put up a shot of a grey screen when I find the time to do it, it will just be a sold color grey screen nothing fancy. As I do not wish to purchase any calibration software to reproduce exactly what dvzzz is seeing I can't say it will look the same. cool.gif
post #12124 of 14509
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Originally Posted by GeneWildersHair View Post

That looks like a fine panel. Pictures taken will always show anomalies in a more extreme way. From those pics i can see some very faint dse, but nothing to complain about, nor green blotches. And I can just about guarantee that you dont see any issues like what has been discussed in here, when watching normal content on this panel. No panel is perfect with any set, but this one looks good to me. Thanks for sharing.

I can clearly see where the '2' large patches are...but that's me wink.gif having to own 2 other sets (non-Nov12) previously without the patches, no offense, but jwcole1224's set is no where close to how it used to look in terms of uniformity frown.gif
post #12125 of 14509
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Originally Posted by N3W813 View Post

I have had 2 70" sets before my current Nov12 set; no green/pink patches whatsoever.

1st set from Cleveland Plasma in Oct11, no uniformity issues. Replaced by Sharp for pulsing issue.
2nd set from Sharp in Dec11, no uniformity issues. Replaced by Sharp for vertical column of blue LEDs going out.
3rd set from Sharp in Dec12 (Nov12 build date), green/pink patches.

Would you mind to post pics of your 3rd set? Pls.
post #12126 of 14509
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Originally Posted by rhed View Post

My guess is i think all Nov. batch is bad. I mean so far who ever got a Nov. Elite. Chimed in here about DSE problems with there set. Myself included. Would really want someone here who got earlier production check their set if it's DSE free or not.

Would you mind to post pics of your TV with Gray 50%? Pls.
Even phone camera will show it if your set has green / pink DSE.

tnx
post #12127 of 14509
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Originally Posted by RadTech51 View Post

I'll try and put up a shot of a grey screen when I find the time to do it, it will just be a sold color grey screen nothing fancy. As I do not wish to purchase any calibration software to reproduce exactly what dvzzz is seeing I can't say it will look the same. cool.gif

RadTech51, you do not need to use calibration software for reproduction, just download jpg or png files of grey patterns. Luminance of 50% to 100% will do fine. smile.gif

Or you can download and burn the AVSHD709 patterns disc and use in a Bluray player, posted here...
http://www.avsforum.com/t/948496/avs-hd-709-blu-ray-mp4-calibration
post #12128 of 14509
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Originally Posted by N3W813 View Post

I can clearly see where the '2' large patches are...but that's me wink.gif having to own 2 other sets (non-Nov12) previously without the patches, no offense, but jwcole1224's set is no where close to how it used to look in terms of uniformity frown.gif

[bad joke] Soon we'll be able to see dead people too [/bad joke]
post #12129 of 14509
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

It would be interesting to see similar pix taken with earlier build dates. That would either confirm Chris' theory or confirm the issue is restricted to Nov build dates. Rad, are you up to checking yours?

I don't have a 70", I have the 60". I haven't seen complaints regarding recent 60s, but who knows?

Yeah when I get around to it although I'm sure I'll see nothing of the sort I would have seen it by now. cool.gif
post #12130 of 14509
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by N3W813 View Post

RadTech51, you do not need to use calibration software for reproduction, just download jpg or png files of grey patterns. Luminance of 50% to 100% will do fine. smile.gif

Or you can download and burn the AVSHD709 patterns disc and use in a Bluray player, posted here...
http://www.avsforum.com/t/948496/avs-hd-709-blu-ray-mp4-calibration

Yep I have the break in slides used for plasma displays. cool.gif
post #12131 of 14509
Has anybody posted about problems with a later build (Nov/Dec) 60" set? I don't remember seeing anything like that. I want a 60 so I was just curious. Like many here I still haven't founf anything that looks better than what I have or an Elite set. As I've posted in the past I can't watch a plamsa set. I had one at one time and it caused all kinds of havoc with my eyes. LED only for me and I want a true backlit set.

Thanks,

Jim
post #12132 of 14509
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Originally Posted by motoman View Post

Has anybody posted about problems with a later build (Nov/Dec) 60" set? I don't remember seeing anything like that. I want a 60 so I was just curious. Like many here I still haven't founf anything that looks better than what I have or an Elite set. As I've posted in the past I can't watch a plamsa set. I had one at one time and it caused all kinds of havoc with my eyes. LED only for me and I want a true backlit set.

Thanks,

Jim

I have a 60" that does not have this issue from what I can tell. Although I have not comfirmed the build date, it was delivered December 6 after a backorder so it is a good possibility I have a Nov2012.
post #12133 of 14509
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Originally Posted by rogo View Post

If the screen is bigger, the sweet spot will be bigger and so the viewing "cone" will be larger. In other words, the apparent viewing angle will be better, even if the exact number of degrees is the same. It's also true that the panels are not identical and that the 70" panels might even have a few more degrees to work with with in addition to the larger viewing cone.

Great info, thanks Rogo. I am heading up to Best Buy now to test this.

Hopefully dvzzz didn't clean them all out and left me some 70" sets here in Chicago. smile.gif
post #12134 of 14509
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Originally Posted by dvzzz View Post

I have talked to two Sharp executives 5 days ago, one is acting as a GM, they clearly told me Elite is done for good. Very clear and loud. Two senior execs over there - same message. No more production and factory in Mexico is under new mgmt.

I wonder if those execs identified you as a "problem customer" because you returned so many sets and were just feeding you a line of B.S. in hopes to make you go away. Even though you identified a real problem I suppose it's possible they decided it's not an issue since others were not returning the set because of the green DSE. But more likely, different execs have different information. There may be nobody that knows 100% sure what the fate of the Elite is, even the CEO.
post #12135 of 14509
Agreed, not as uniform as I've seen on earlier 70s, but not quite as bad as the pictures depict.

RadTech, what shutter speed do you use?
I struggle to get a clean picture without the moire effect.
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Originally Posted by N3W813 View Post

I can clearly see where the '2' large patches are...but that's me wink.gif having to own 2 other sets (non-Nov12) previously without the patches, no offense, but jwcole1224's set is no where close to how it used to look in terms of uniformity frown.gif
post #12136 of 14509
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Originally Posted by dvzzz View Post

I have talked to two Sharp executives 5 days ago, one is acting as a GM, they clearly told me Elite is done for good. Very clear and loud. Two senior execs over there - same message. No more production and factory in Mexico is under new mgmt.
LOL, I wonder who is right.........
post #12137 of 14509
I had the privilege of having my 60” calibrated last weekend by Kevin Miller. Man what a difference Kevin made with my Elite.

I have had it since August (June 2012 build) after Sharp replaced my first set (bad remote sensor). I first used the CNET settings, then some of the other more detailed settings that were posted in this thread. While I was happy with the color accuracy with those settings, I felt that the black levels weren’t as “inky” as I remembered from my first set. Still, I put off having my second set calibrated on the hope that there would be a cyan fix forthcoming—not that the color accuracy bothered me, but I didn’t want to have to have it calibrated twice. Once it became clear that a fix was unlikely, I decided to bite the bullet and have it calibrated.

First of all, Kevin was a pleasure to meet and talk TV tech with.

As for his work—I was really blown away. The black levels and contrast were staggering after he was finished. The picture has much more depth and color vibrancy, without being overpowering. Even the off-axis viewing angle improved—it’s not perfect mind you, nor could it be given the technology—but it seems much better from all corners of the sofa. I’m still spending time with the set on different types of programming, but I couldn’t be happier. Even my wife, who was skeptical about whether we really would see a difference, had to admit the picture was dramatically better.

Kevin, thanks again for such great work!
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Here's mines. Sorry if the pix is hard to see. Anyway DSE is more on the left sd and top right. Its more visible then what the pix show.

Nov. Build Pro-70X5
Taken with Canon 5D mark iii 1/15 4.0 ISO 100
post #12139 of 14509
Quick question for you guys. My cousin is looking at a new 60" that is "new" but does not come in original box. Seller is NOT authorized ELITE seller. So my question is....Is it worth it? He is getting it about 20% less than online deals. Im wondering if warranty still applies? That was my concern for him. Thoughts??? Thanks.
post #12140 of 14509
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Originally Posted by rhed View Post



Here's mines. Sorry if the pix is hard to see. Anyway DSE is more on the left sd and top right. Its more visible then what the pix show.

Nov. Build Pro-70X5
Taken with Canon 5D mark iii 1/15 4.0 ISO 100

I'm not photo pro, however - try to fix to 1/15 - 1/30 and let ISO be auto to compensate

I see almost the same at your 1st pic as on main.
This is the problem - when you saw it once - you'll spot it right away and that DSE / pattern sticks when you watch movies with plain background, snow sports the worst.
post #12141 of 14509
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Originally Posted by mikek753 View Post

I'm not photo pro, however - try to fix to 1/15 - 1/30 and let ISO be auto to compensate

I see almost the same at your 1st pic as on main.
This is the problem - when you saw it once - you'll spot it right away and that DSE / pattern sticks when you watch movies with plain background, snow sports the worst.

Yea bro.. I just watched Inception a few nights ago. And the scene where they was in the snow I could see it. I could see it also in skin tones when the subject moves across the screen. After that I knew it had to be brought up to my local BB/Magnolia where I got the set from. Magnolia is top notch for customer service. No questions ask. They even the ones told me that they need to replace my set right away.
post #12142 of 14509
Well I've cancelled my order on the Elite 70" and switched it over to a Samsung 75ES9000. The salesperson at the shop I was purchasing from charged me only a small increase after much haggling and conferencing with the bosses (him with the store owner, me with the missus) I spent a good bit of time in between him conferencing with his boss and me conferencing with the wife, going back and forth between the Elite and ES9000 trying to find something, anything that would sway me one way or the other on either set. He had told me that had received no complaints from any of his customers about the quality or PQ on the Elites, but did agree that I was more knowledgeable than most of his customers and probably in the upper 10% as far as my expectations of overall quality are concerned. After going back and forth for at least 20-25 minutes, I can say that I do think that the Elite PQ is marginally better than the ES9000, but I was kind of surprised at close they were. My wife really liked all the hoo-a-ma-ha on the Samsung I will likely never use (hope I'm not offending anyone, but really, who wants to talk to their tv ?) as well as liking the extra few inches, and all I was after was the best image, but after all the recent issues with the Nov. 2012 builds, and being told they are being discontinued I have opted not to ride that roller coaster. I had previously purchased, had calibrated, and ultimately returned a Sharp 80LE844 (the 80" Quattron 3D model), so I am not eager to go through the whole unboxing, setting up, calibrating, and then reboxing and returning such a large set again.

I really appreciate the posts and patience of those who have helped provide the information on this forum (Dvzzz, you must have the patience of a monk or a saint or something like that). I do really like the PQ, and were it not for my previous return, and my wife liking all the bells and whistles on the ES9000, I might have been willing to travel a little ways down that road, but my confidence is not there that it would end up in a happy place (I am Canadian, hockey is back, I watched 9 hours of it on Saturday, dealing with artifacts or issues would not be cool). Thanks all.
post #12143 of 14509
I would be wary, but it's not my money.
If you can, get the serial# and give Sharp a call.

I've seen open-box 60's (with full warranty) at my local Best Buy for $2900.
Your cousin might check that route.
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Originally Posted by yamvmax View Post

Quick question for you guys. My cousin is looking at a new 60" that is "new" but does not come in original box. Seller is NOT authorized ELITE seller. So my question is....Is it worth it? He is getting it about 20% less than online deals. Im wondering if warranty still applies? That was my concern for him. Thoughts??? Thanks.
post #12144 of 14509
Well, I just currently have a Nov. 2012 build 60 that looks fine to me with Cnet's settings. Just paid 1k difference and ordered the 70. They will take the 60 back with them. I really like the picture of thief 60. Hope I get a pretty decent tv. This is coming out of Illinois. My local Best Buy is not a Magnolia store so they have to order it in. They told me it was coming out of Illinois. They told me if they had to order out of another area it would take a long time. Will let you know, gets delivered Thursday . It is cold here so will have to give it several hours to warm up before turning it on.

Now do I spend $700 on Best Buy's warranty or go with Electronicwarranty.com for $232. Seems easier to go with BB but a lot more expensive.

Thanks, Jon

Also how is Geek squad's calibration? It is a free service I get wit silver reward zone.
Edited by Surge - 1/21/13 at 3:58pm
post #12145 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Surge View Post

Well, I just currently have a Nov. 2012 build 60 that looks fine to me with Cnet's settings. Just paid 1k difference and ordered the 70. They will take the 60 back with them. I really like the picture of thief 60. Hope I get a pretty decent tv. This is coming out of Illinois. My local Best Buy is not a Magnolia store so they have to order it in. They told me it was coming out of Illinois. They told me if they had to order out of another area it would take a long time. Will let you know, gets delivered Thursday . It is cold here so will have to give it several hours to warm up before turning it on.

Now do I spend $700 on Best Buy's warranty or go with Electronicwarranty.com for $232. Seems easier to go with BB but a lot more expensive.

Thanks, Jon

Also how is Geek squad's calibration? It is a free service I get wit silver reward zone.


Wow nice buy buddy..........wish i could afford one , because they are very nice indeed.
post #12146 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Surge View Post

Well, I just currently have a Nov. 2012 build 60 that looks fine to me with Cnet's settings. Just paid 1k difference and ordered the 70. They will take the 60 back with them. I really like the picture of thief 60. Hope I get a pretty decent tv. This is coming out of Illinois. My local Best Buy is not a Magnolia store so they have to order it in. They told me it was coming out of Illinois. They told me if they had to order out of another area it would take a long time. Will let you know, gets delivered Thursday . It is cold here so will have to give it several hours to warm up before turning it on.

Now do I spend $700 on Best Buy's warranty or go with Electronicwarranty.com for $232. Seems easier to go with BB but a lot more expensive.

Thanks, Jon

Go with BB.
post #12147 of 14509
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Originally Posted by rhed View Post

Go with BB.

Any reasons why? $470 more. Seems to be good reviews on the online one. My wife wants the cheaper and I almost went with BB today but have 60 days from today to get it. Wanted to do some research. Thanks for any additional info. Jon
post #12148 of 14509
Granted were talking a 2800 dollar set vs 5-7 Thousand dollar sets, but it appears the Elite series is not the only affected with sharps quality control.. I got my second LE847U today and have pretty bad DSE as well as some sort of backlight/screen uniformity issue that is affecting the picture. I will go through as many sets as it takes to get a proper set.

To be honest by the time I'm done with sharp, they probably would save some money just sending me an Elite, I think I'd be okay with a few of the issues I've seen if it was a free upgrade rolleyes.gif Wishfull thinking.

In case any of you are curious, here is the post http://www.avsforum.com/t/1397140/official-sharp-aquos-lc-60le847u-lc-70le847u-owners-thread/1980#post_22860470

Figured I would just post to show that its not just you guys getting the shaft, appears all of sharps QC efforts are crap lately.
post #12149 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Surge View Post

Well, I just currently have a Nov. 2012 build 60 that looks fine to me with Cnet's settings. Just paid 1k difference and ordered the 70. They will take the 60 back with them. I really like the picture of thief 60. Hope I get a pretty decent tv. This is coming out of Illinois. My local Best Buy is not a Magnolia store so they have to order it in. They told me it was coming out of Illinois. They told me if they had to order out of another area it would take a long time. Will let you know, gets delivered Thursday . It is cold here so will have to give it several hours to warm up before turning it on.

Now do I spend $700 on Best Buy's warranty or go with Electronicwarranty.com for $232. Seems easier to go with BB but a lot more expensive.

Thanks, Jon

Also how is Geek squad's calibration? It is a free service I get wit silver reward zone.

From my experince, BB for sure. They were outstanding when my previous 2008 TV (Samsung) recently died and I was able to replace it with the Elite as a comparable technology. I bought another protection plan for the Elite in case Sharp folds in the next 5 years. Can't say enough good things about the service
post #12150 of 14509
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Originally Posted by jwcole1224 View Post

I would be wary, but it's not my money.
If you can, get the serial# and give Sharp a call.

I've seen open-box 60's (with full warranty) at my local Best Buy for $2900.
Your cousin might check that route.

This is ny metro area...BB wont budge below $4k plus tax for display. He is getting it for about what u posted when you figure in tax.
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