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post #12211 of 13287
1/22/13 at 5:57pm
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Originally Posted by PalJoey View Post

I just went thorugh the exact same thought process as you and am very happy post calibration. I too was a fan of the Elite Pure (mostly because of the deep blacks/cooler pic) and thought THX mode was god awful and washed out. My reasoning for calibration was I would never know if I liked it until I tried it.

If you go that route, make sure to get a respected calibrator so you are not short changed on the experience. I myself went with Chad B and needless to say he did an outstadning job. As it turns out the reason I did not like THX mode was simply because it was way off with my set (which Chad noticed right away) so keep in mind what you see with your particular set may not necessarily be a "calibritated" picture...each one is different. Also worth noting, Chad calibrated mine based on my liking of Elite Pure so you can have a calibrated picture but it can still be adjusted to your tastes without losing accuracy.

Alas that's not true. Once you add/reduce anything from calibration, it's no longer accurate. The sky can't be more blue or less blue than what's intended. You may prefer it and that's OK, but don't get the impression that it's still accurate.
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post #12212 of 13287
1/22/13 at 5:57pm
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Originally Posted by PalJoey View Post

I just went thorugh the exact same thought process as you and am very happy post calibration. I too was a fan of the Elite Pure (mostly because of the deep blacks/cooler pic) and thought THX mode was god awful and washed out. My reasoning for calibration was I would never know if I liked it until I tried it.

If you go that route, make sure to get a respected calibrator so you are not short changed on the experience. I myself went with Chad B and needless to say he did an outstadning job. As it turns out the reason I did not like THX mode was simply because it was way off with my set (which Chad noticed right away) so keep in mind what you see with your particular set may not necessarily be a "calibritated" picture...each one is different. Also worth noting, Chad calibrated mine based on my liking of Elite Pure so you can have a calibrated picture but it can still be adjusted to your tastes without losing accuracy.

Alas that's not true. Once you add/reduce anything from calibration, it's no longer accurate. The sky can't be more blue or less blue than what's intended. You may prefer it and that's OK, but don't get the impression that it's still accurate.
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post #12213 of 13287
1/22/13 at 6:19pm
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

Alas that's not true. Once you add/reduce anything from calibration, it's no longer accurate. The sky can't be more blue or less blue than what's intended. You may prefer it and that's OK, but don't get the impression that it's still accurate.
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

Alas that's not true. Once you add/reduce anything from calibration, it's no longer accurate. The sky can't be more blue or less blue than what's intended. You may prefer it and that's OK, but don't get the impression that it's still accurate.

I should have been more clear regarding "adjustments". You can adjust luminance and also calibrate (accurately) to D75 to closer meet my personal preference, correct?
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post #12214 of 13287
1/22/13 at 6:31pm
D65, but yes, you can get the D65 right and adjust the illuminance according to taste because the level is merely a recommendation. I personally find the recommended 45 ftL to be to bright for FPD and choose around 35 ftL instead.
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post #12215 of 13287
1/22/13 at 6:31pm
D65, but yes, you can get the D65 right and adjust the illuminance according to taste because the level is merely a recommendation. I personally find the recommended 45 ftL to be to bright for FPD and choose around 35 ftL instead.
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post #12216 of 13287
1/22/13 at 6:55pm
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

D65, but yes, you can get the D65 right and adjust the illuminance according to taste because the level is merely a recommendation. I personally find the recommended 45 ftL to be to bright for FPD and choose around 35 ftL instead.

That was not a typo, D75 is what closer matched my preference and what was calibrated to. I felt it gave me that slight "cooler" feel I like more so than D65 did.

Thanks for your input!
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post #12217 of 13287
1/22/13 at 6:56pm
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

D65, but yes, you can get the D65 right and adjust the illuminance according to taste because the level is merely a recommendation. I personally find the recommended 45 ftL to be to bright for FPD and choose around 35 ftL instead.

What I found is that by lowering "illuminance" (white output) it's easier to calibrate, but end result gets dimmer
I like to have closer to 140 instead or recommended 120, while it isn't easy for me to get to 140 while keeping all primaries in correct x/y positions, especially Blue.
As result I get lower to 130 -135.
This is in THX mode.

The question - how to get 140 and up with good primaries and secondaries for 100%?
The next question - how to get secondaries on straight line on D65 chart from 10% to 90%? Do those have to be lined up straight?

thanks
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post #12218 of 13287
1/22/13 at 8:09pm
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Originally Posted by jd_alpha View Post

Hey ad10ad -

Can you please confirm which modes on the TV Kevin calibrated? I and a few other posters here have run into calibrators who were refusing to calibrate the ISF modes on the Elite.

Thanks,
JD

He calibrated ISF day and night modes as well as THX 3D mode. When he was finished, he ran some test patterns and we felt the gamma was a bit off in ISF night mode (although it was fine in ISF day) so he also calibrated THX 2D mode for me--that mode fared much better on the gamma post-calibration tests.

As an aside, I am running my video signal unprocessed through an Integra 50.3 amp which could have caused the issue. Since we were very happy with the THX 2D mode for night viewing -- and my AV gear is in another room in my apartment -- it wasn't worth trying to troubleshoot whether the amp was in fact causing the anomaly.
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post #12219 of 13287
1/22/13 at 9:44pm
I decided to throw on some of d-nice's slides to see if mine had any green dse even though I've never seen it before. And some members may have remember some of my posts indicating I don't even really see any dse at all other maybe when I'm watching baseball and the camera is panning across a green field. Even then, it's hardly noticeable and to me, looks like more a motion issue rather than dse. Mine is a 09/2011 70". I tried some of the darker slides and I can't believe how uniform the greys are compared to some of the other photos I've seen posted here. I did notice that depending on the angle viewed, there is some very slight variation in uniformity. My tv is tilted slightly forward at the top since it's mounted higher.

I believe Chris mentioned he used to run 40" offset litho presses. Although I've never operated a press myself, I've been in the commercial litho industry for 11 years now and constantly press checking jobs to ensure color accuracy. The hardest jobs is the "flood paint jobs" where you have to keep ink densities within 3-4 points. And my set easily satisfies my requirements for uniformity. I have to say that I now feel quite lucky, especially for the price they sold it to me and since this unit was a floor model at BBY/Magnolia for 8 months before they had to close down and sell off everything they could.

Now I just need a pro to calibrate my tv.


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post #12220 of 13287
1/23/13 at 6:24am
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Originally Posted by yamvmax View Post

Quick question for you guys. My cousin is looking at a new 60" that is "new" but does not come in original box. Seller is NOT authorized ELITE seller. So my question is....Is it worth it? He is getting it about 20% less than online deals. Im wondering if warranty still applies? That was my concern for him. Thoughts??? Thanks.

Well...he backed out....I'm thinking I might go for it for the price...lol. Spoke to elite...they said it will be under full warranty. Hard to pass up for the price. I'm coming from plasma...so I hope I'm not disappointed. Any thoughts?
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post #12221 of 13287
1/23/13 at 6:26am
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Originally Posted by HD 335 View Post

I decided to throw on some of d-nice's slides to see if mine had any green dse even though I've never seen it before. And some members may have remember some of my posts indicating I don't even really see any dse at all other maybe when I'm watching baseball and the camera is panning across a green field. Even then, it's hardly noticeable and to me, looks like more a motion issue rather than dse. Mine is a 09/2011 70". I tried some of the darker slides and I can't believe how uniform the greys are compared to some of the other photos I've seen posted here. I did notice that depending on the angle viewed, there is some very slight variation in uniformity. My tv is tilted slightly forward at the top since it's mounted higher.

I believe Chris mentioned he used to run 40" offset litho presses. Although I've never operated a press myself, I've been in the commercial litho industry for 11 years now and constantly press checking jobs to ensure color accuracy. The hardest jobs is the "flood paint jobs" where you have to keep ink densities within 3-4 points. And my set easily satisfies my requirements for uniformity. I have to say that I now feel quite lucky, especially for the price they sold it to me and since this unit was a floor model at BBY/Magnolia for 8 months before they had to close down and sell off everything they could.

Now I just need a pro to calibrate my tv.



Looks good. Only thing I see is some minor vertical banding that I would bet is not very noticeable with normal viewing.
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post #12222 of 13287
1/23/13 at 7:01am
Great looking panel. I have yet to see any issues with my January 2012 build as well. It seems based on this thread that panels from that month are mostly problem free.
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post #12223 of 13287
1/23/13 at 7:41am
Can you tell us 3 first digits of your serial number? Thanks.
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Originally Posted by HD 335 View Post

I decided to throw on some of d-nice's slides to see if mine had any green dse even though I've never seen it before. And some members may have remember some of my posts indicating I don't even really see any dse at all other maybe when I'm watching baseball and the camera is panning across a green field. Even then, it's hardly noticeable and to me, looks like more a motion issue rather than dse. Mine is a 09/2011 70". I tried some of the darker slides and I can't believe how uniform the greys are compared to some of the other photos I've seen posted here. I did notice that depending on the angle viewed, there is some very slight variation in uniformity. My tv is tilted slightly forward at the top since it's mounted higher.

I believe Chris mentioned he used to run 40" offset litho presses. Although I've never operated a press myself, I've been in the commercial litho industry for 11 years now and constantly press checking jobs to ensure color accuracy. The hardest jobs is the "flood paint jobs" where you have to keep ink densities within 3-4 points. And my set easily satisfies my requirements for uniformity. I have to say that I now feel quite lucky, especially for the price they sold it to me and since this unit was a floor model at BBY/Magnolia for 8 months before they had to close down and sell off everything they could.

Now I just need a pro to calibrate my tv.



Edited by dvzzz - 1/23/13 at 8:13am
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post #12224 of 13287
1/23/13 at 7:44am
Are these the same D-Nice slides that are for Plasma? Can these be used for LED? Where do I find these? thanks!
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post #12225 of 13287
1/23/13 at 10:37am
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Originally Posted by nakenergy View Post

Are these the same D-Nice slides that are for Plasma? Can these be used for LED? Where do I find these? thanks!

Those are my Break In Slides. You can find them at eaprogramming.com under te downloads page.
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post #12226 of 13287
1/23/13 at 11:20am
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

Looks good. Only thing I see is some minor vertical banding that I would bet is not very noticeable with normal viewing.
It's not noticeable at all and the camera magnifies the banding more than if you saw it in person.
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Originally Posted by kesando View Post

Great looking panel. I have yet to see any issues with my January 2012 build as well. It seems based on this thread that panels from that month are mostly problem free.
Glad you have a good set as well! It's really unfortunate that some members here have gone through so much trouble and not get a good tv.
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Can you tell us 3 first digits of your serial number? Thanks.
108. I still remember drooling over the set I have now in the BBY/Magnolia showroom. It was a low traffic store and they were only a block away from my home. I would go there a couple times a week just to demo my blu-rays and never saw anything usual.
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post #12227 of 13287
1/23/13 at 3:09pm
I am not a computer guy as far as burning test patterns. Is there any test patterns on any DVD of movies like THX that would work to test for green spots? Thanks
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post #12228 of 13287
1/23/13 at 3:30pm
Hi, just download this mp4 files to a USB flash drive/stick, plug it into Elite and Elite's player will come up and you can play these movies from using Elite's remote and just try them all and you will see if you have green.
http://goo.gl/pBy98
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Originally Posted by Surge View Post

I am not a computer guy as far as burning test patterns. Is there any test patterns on any DVD of movies like THX that would work to test for green spots? Thanks
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post #12229 of 13287
1/23/13 at 3:31pm
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Originally Posted by dvzzz View Post

Hi, just download this mp4 files to a USB flash drive/stick, plug it into Elite and Elite's player will come up and you can play these movies from using Elite's remote and just try them all and you will see if you have green.
test_patterns.zip 86k .zip file
I only have a Mac, will that work?
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post #12230 of 13287
1/23/13 at 3:36pm
I am on Mac. Yes it will work.
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post #12231 of 13287
1/23/13 at 3:47pm
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Originally Posted by HD 335 View Post

I believe Chris mentioned he used to run 40" offset litho presses. Although I've never operated a press myself, I've been in the commercial litho industry for 11 years now and constantly press checking jobs to ensure color accuracy. The hardest jobs is the "flood paint jobs" where you have to keep ink densities within 3-4 points. And my set easily satisfies my requirements for uniformity. I have to say that I now feel quite lucky, especially for the price they sold it to me and since this unit was a floor model at BBY/Magnolia for 8 months before they had to close down and sell off everything they could.
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I was waiting to see if there where any others in the industry. If you like the panel, we know there are good ones out there for sure with printing back ground credentials. I am pretty darn happy to be retired from that industry. I have nightmares though from time to time. I ran a press for about 10 years, only one of my jobs was reprinted. It was a 19" x 25" sheet, 1000 sheet run on a full size press. I lost the company $100 tops. I watched many, many people bounce jobs with huge runs and waist tens of thousands of dollars in material. Stressful job that can be.......
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Originally Posted by yamvmax View Post

Well...he backed out....I'm thinking I might go for it for the price...lol. Spoke to elite...they said it will be under full warranty. Hard to pass up for the price. I'm coming from plasma...so I hope I'm not disappointed. Any thoughts?
Yes, I hate to say it, most plasma guys would not like the Elite LED. I am very hesitant to sell a plasma guy an LED, many trade offs there are.
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post #12232 of 13287
1/23/13 at 3:59pm
Worked, I ran the video's and maybe see a slight hint of green and I mean slight. Wife said she did not see any. This is a 60 built in Nov. 2012. Hope my 70 delivered tomorrow looks as good! Will have to wait several hours for it to warm up before I use it thought. Thanks Jon
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post #12233 of 13287
1/23/13 at 4:10pm
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

I was waiting to see if there where any others in the industry. If you like the panel, we know there are good ones out there for sure with printing back ground credentials. I am pretty darn happy to be retired from that industry. I have nightmares though from time to time. I ran a press for about 10 years, only one of my jobs was reprinted. It was a 19" x 25" sheet, 1000 sheet run on a full size press. I lost the company $100 tops. I watched many, many people bounce jobs with huge runs and waist tens of thousands of dollars in material. Stressful job that can be.......
Yes, I hate to say it, most plasma guys would not like the Elite LED. I am very hesitant to sell a plasma guy an LED, many trade offs there are.

Agreed....I passed. I will wait for the new panny zt and Sammy f8500. Thanks
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post #12234 of 13287
1/23/13 at 4:31pm
my serial # starts with 108 and i don't see any green blobs or green dse had the set for 6 months now i'm very happy with it
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post #12235 of 13287
1/23/13 at 4:48pm
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

I was waiting to see if there where any others in the industry. If you like the panel, we know there are good ones out there for sure with printing back ground credentials. I am pretty darn happy to be retired from that industry. I have nightmares though from time to time. I ran a press for about 10 years, only one of my jobs was reprinted. It was a 19" x 25" sheet, 1000 sheet run on a full size press. I lost the company $100 tops. I watched many, many people bounce jobs with huge runs and waist tens of thousands of dollars in material. Stressful job that can be.......
Yes, I hate to say it, most plasma guys would not like the Elite LED. I am very hesitant to sell a plasma guy an LED, many trade offs there are.

Count me in as one of the few Plasma guys who ended up purchasing an LED set. After convincing my parents to purchase three Pioneer Kuro Plasmas (two of them being Elites) when they were building their new home, I was sure my next TV was going to be a plasma...and then I came across the Sharp Elite.cool.gif
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post #12236 of 13287
1/23/13 at 5:12pm
I feel like i got some blobs goin here--just picked up my tv from best buy last night (new - unopened) - manufactured date is nov 2012....

pardon the iphone but it did seem to give a good representation...



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post #12237 of 13287
1/23/13 at 5:16pm
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Originally Posted by jayhawk785 View Post

I feel like i got some blobs goin here--just picked up my tv from best buy last night (new - unopened) - manufactured date is nov 2012....

pardon the iphone but it did seem to give a good representation...




yup... i see it...wow, what happened at sharp? is that a 70?
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post #12238 of 13287
1/23/13 at 5:18pm
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Originally Posted by yamvmax View Post

yup... i see it...wow, what happened at sharp? is that a 70?

ya, its a 70--i figured i was pretty safe not getting a november tv if I bought it now... guess not eh? heh.

Think I'll visit best buy tomorrow and see if they want to try again--or swap it for the vt50... or keep it and rearrange my living room haha
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post #12239 of 13287
1/23/13 at 5:23pm
Holy sh*t yamvmax, that's the worse case of DSE I've seen yet. Even a lot of the edge lit lower end TV's aren't that bad.
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post #12240 of 13287
1/23/13 at 6:05pm
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Originally Posted by jayhawk785 View Post

I feel like i got some blobs goin here--just picked up my tv from best buy last night (new - unopened) - manufactured date is nov 2012....

pardon the iphone but it did seem to give a good representation...


Thanks for sharing
It doesn't matter what kind of camera of phone is used to take pics - if DSE exists than you can see it on resulting pics for sure.
No, you don't have to have 20 Mp SLR camera, 2 Mp phone cam will show it.

What we are Nov 2012 batch owners can do about this issue? This is the Q.
So far there is nothing else, but Nov 12 batch, nothing newer came for a while if ever will be.
So sad eek.gif
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