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Originally Posted by Surge View Post

Worked, I ran the video's and maybe see a slight hint of green and I mean slight. Wife said she did not see any. This is a 60 built in Nov. 2012. Hope my 70 delivered tomorrow looks as good! Will have to wait several hours for it to warm up before I use it thought. Thanks Jon

I still have not confirmed a Nov2012 build (most likely it is) but I do have the 211 serial number. My 60" does not show this anomaly either so I wonder if it may just be the 70" screens? Starting to get gun shy about buying a 70" now until this pans out.
post #12242 of 14509
211 is Nov build for both 60 and 70
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Originally Posted by PalJoey View Post

I still have not confirmed a Nov2012 build (most likely it is) but I do have the 211 serial number. My 60" does not show this anomaly either so I wonder if it may just be the 70" screens? Starting to get gun shy about buying a 70" now until this pans out.
post #12243 of 14509
I sent tons of pictures to Will and talked to him openly about it, same pics that I posted here, and started this green DSE madhouse. Will P was the one who called me and told me that my set had perfect uniformity and they Elite engineers see absolutely no green or red on my pictures. I stopped talking to him after that statement. Sharp does not care at this point about this line of products. End of story.
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Originally Posted by jwcole1224 View Post

Please send your pictures to Sharp. I think they're a good company and should know of your issues.
Send your email to wpuckett@sharpsec.com

I've dealt with Will and he treated me well. (Will / Well = Kinda Funny)
post #12244 of 14509
I just finished watching Samsara and it looked great on the Elite with a Darbee in the chain. I would definitely use this disc as a demo for when I have guests over.
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

I was waiting to see if there where any others in the industry. If you like the panel, we know there are good ones out there for sure with printing back ground credentials. I am pretty darn happy to be retired from that industry. I have nightmares though from time to time. I ran a press for about 10 years, only one of my jobs was reprinted. It was a 19" x 25" sheet, 1000 sheet run on a full size press. I lost the company $100 tops. I watched many, many people bounce jobs with huge runs and waist tens of thousands of dollars in material. Stressful job that can be.......

Stressful job it is indeed. I'm glad to hear you were able to get out, I wish I could say the same but it has some perks. The company I work for runs very tight on material, so all of our pressmen are trained fairly well. The only drawback is sometimes they don't look at a job prior to setup and consider the issues/challenges of a particular design.
post #12245 of 14509
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Originally Posted by dvzzz View Post

Sadly, I was thinking about downsizing to 60" to save myself from 70" green DSE, 60" do show less DSE even on Nov2012 build, it IS there vs. pre-Nov 60" build that was grey-grey. My conclusion on Nov2012 Elites, they have been running into dead-pixeling with earlier builds and I suspect they changed the panel in Nov to avoid dead-pixels. In 6 units that I had + 2 in-store from Nov2012 build (212 serial batch) no dead pixels, but on early 108 serial build (I saw 3 units) every set had dead pixels. I frankly will take dead pixel over nasty green any day. Interested in your opinions if dead-pixel is a predictor for panel decline with more dead pixels. Just curious. I see a lot of dead pixels on 65" XBRs.
The 212 serial numbers mean the the unit was built in December.
post #12246 of 14509
Have any Nov 2012 displays been calibrated? Have any pro calibrators found these issues on recent Elite panels?
post #12247 of 14509
Thanks for correcting, all my units were 211, and box said Nov2012. I have not seen a single 212 unit.
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Originally Posted by floridaman View Post

The 212 serial numbers mean the the unit was built in December.
post #12248 of 14509
hi guys - inaugural post smile.gif

i just purchased the 60" elite after being blown away in the showroom.

however, i have just stumbled upon this Nov batch issue that seems to be plaguing all recent owners. I dont take possession of the tv until friday but, in the meantime, am wondering:

- how can i tell the manufacture date of the tv (i asked the salesman what the outer box label indicated but he said there was no sticker on it)?

- has any recent owner NOT had this discoloration problem?

- how can i 'test' whether i have this issue or not (i.e. how can i put up a solid white/grey screen). I have this Disney Wow blu-ray coming from Amazon - does this disk have that screen in one of its calibration screens, by chance?

thanks a lot! - im really hoping mine works out, as i loved the picture image (though I am nowhere close to being the videophile you guys are!).
post #12249 of 14509
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Originally Posted by alebrady View Post

hi guys - inaugural post smile.gif

i just purchased the 60" elite after being blown away in the showroom.

however, i have just stumbled upon this Nov batch issue that seems to be plaguing all recent owners. I dont take possession of the tv until friday but, in the meantime, am wondering:

- how can i tell the manufacture date of the tv (i asked the salesman what the outer box label indicated but he said there was no sticker on it)?

- has any recent owner NOT had this discoloration problem?

- how can i 'test' whether i have this issue or not (i.e. how can i put up a solid white/grey screen). I have this Disney Wow blu-ray coming from Amazon - does this disk have that screen in one of its calibration screens, by chance?

thanks a lot! - im really hoping mine works out, as i loved the picture image (though I am nowhere close to being the videophile you guys are!).

I downloaded the files on post number 12228 of this thread to a usd flash drive. Then just plugged the flash drive into my 60. I really did not see any green on the video slides. Also the date is on the box. Mine is a Nov 2012 build and if the 70 they are bringing today has bad color I will have them bring the 60 back. Jon
post #12250 of 14509
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post


Yes, I hate to say it, most plasma guys would not like the Elite LED. I am very hesitant to sell a plasma guy an LED, many trade offs there are.

Makes sense since most people are more likely to stick with something they are familiar with or what worked out for them in the past, however as for myself I came from owning two Plasma displays originally specifically the D8000 and the VT30. In my opinion as a consumer the Elite blew them both out of the water and I've never regretted my choice for an instant. I believe Ken is another good example in this case as he also comes form a Plasma background.
post #12251 of 14509
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Originally Posted by nakenergy View Post

Have any Nov 2012 displays been calibrated? Have any pro calibrators found these issues on recent Elite panels?

Yes, my Nov12 has been calibrated....not by a pro, but by myself. wink.gif Yes, my set also exhibits the green/pink patch uniformity issue.
post #12252 of 14509
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Originally Posted by alebrady View Post

hi guys - inaugural post smile.gif

i just purchased the 60" elite after being blown away in the showroom.

however, i have just stumbled upon this Nov batch issue that seems to be plaguing all recent owners. I dont take possession of the tv until friday but, in the meantime, am wondering:

- how can i tell the manufacture date of the tv (i asked the salesman what the outer box label indicated but he said there was no sticker on it)?

- has any recent owner NOT had this discoloration problem?

- how can i 'test' whether i have this issue or not (i.e. how can i put up a solid white/grey screen). I have this Disney Wow blu-ray coming from Amazon - does this disk have that screen in one of its calibration screens, by chance?

thanks a lot! - im really hoping mine works out, as i loved the picture image (though I am nowhere close to being the videophile you guys are!).

Read the past 10 pages, all your answers are there. wink.gif
post #12253 of 14509
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by jayhawk785 View Post

ya, its a 70--i figured i was pretty safe not getting a november tv if I bought it now... guess not eh? heh.

Think I'll visit best buy tomorrow and see if they want to try again--or swap it for the vt50... or keep it and rearrange my living room haha

The VT50 is an excellent choice it would have been my second choice if he Elite wasn't an option. I purchased my 70'' Elite back when it was first released perfect screen uniformity on my end, I'll post some pictures when I get a chance. cool.gif
post #12254 of 14509
Do not let them take 60" TV away. Test the 70" for 1 min if it has green send 70 back. 1 min will not allow any condensation to build, you are safe testing it that way.

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Originally Posted by Surge View Post

I downloaded the files on post number 12228 of this thread to a usd flash drive. Then just plugged the flash drive into my 60. I really did not see any green on the video slides. Also the date is on the box. Mine is a Nov 2012 build and if the 70 they are bringing today has bad color I will have them bring the 60 back. Jon
post #12255 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Surge View Post

I downloaded the files on post number 12228 of this thread to a usd flash drive. Then just plugged the flash drive into my 60. I really did not see any green on the video slides. Also the date is on the box. Mine is a Nov 2012 build and if the 70 they are bringing today has bad color I will have them bring the 60 back. Jon

Would you mind to take photo of your 60 and new 70 TV with gray pattern? pls
Any camera or phone is good enough to show the issue.
post #12256 of 14509
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Originally Posted by mikek753 View Post

Would you mind to take photo of your 60 and new 70 TV with gray pattern? pls
Any camera or phone is good enough to show the issue.
I took one with my phone but do not know how to post it here.
post #12257 of 14509
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Originally Posted by kesando View Post

Count me in as one of the few Plasma guys who ended up purchasing an LED set. After convincing my parents to purchase three Pioneer Kuro Plasmas (two of them being Elites) when they were building their new home, I was sure my next TV was going to be a plasma...and then I came across the Sharp Elite.cool.gif
I choose my words carefully and use this key word "hesitant". I will sell anyone anything they want wink.gif Who am I to judge.
post #12258 of 14509
Still waiting on my set to be delivered as there was a problem with the floor model and now they have told me they are shipping in one from another store. I have no idea what the build date is going to be, but if the TV has these very noticeable green or pink blobs on the screen then I will probably notice them in regular programming. If that is the case then I will probably send it back. Problem is, like some others in this thread have stated, there really isn't another TV yet on the market that wows me like this sharp, and any new Plasma that comes out no matter how great the picture is out of the question for me.

This wait is definitely causing me to worry more than I should.
post #12259 of 14509
Move the image to your computer.
In the reply window, select the "image" ICON, from the list of icons.
Follow the upload instructions to select your picture.
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Originally Posted by Surge View Post

I took one with my phone but do not know how to post it here.
post #12260 of 14509
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Originally Posted by RadTech51 View Post

Makes sense since most people are more likely to stick with something they are familiar with or what worked out for them in the past, however as for myself I came from owning two Plasma displays originally specifically the D8000 and the VT30. In my opinion as a consumer the Elite blew them both out of the water and I've never regretted my choice for an instant. I believe Ken is another good example in this case as he also comes form a Plasma background.

Not sure how you can say it blew them out of the water--unless your plasma's had some issues. The Elite has a very nice picture, as long as you're within 20 degrees of center. I kept debating re-arranging my living room to force the viewing angle to be within those constraints, then request another Elite to replace the one with the really bad uniformity / bleed / dse (whatever you want to call it).

I have a pn64d800, color and contrast is fantastic on it--but the 'flashing' issue is enough to make me look for a new tv. I also have a Pioneer Kuro 6020- and I think the picture there is still as good or better than the Elite (especially if you consider the viewing angles). The Elite is about as reflective as of the plasma currently in that room, and seems to be a touch more reflective/glossy than the vt50 (could just be my imagination).

I REALLY wanted this tv to be flawless--be one of the lucky ones that get a good run of these guys. Just wasnt in the cards--that and I couldn't get used to the desaturation in color from off-angle. I really hope they can improve on that in the coming years--baring OLED and it's pricetag, not sure that's possible.

They'll be picking up the Elite tomorrow and swapping it with a vt50. I figure I still have 30 days to make up my mind on what TV I want to go with for sure..

I know there are plasma and led fanboys out there--I'm honestly not one of those, at least i hope not. I'm willing to see the greatness in either side and take whichever offers me the best picture for my needs wink.gif

best of luck to those of you with nov2012 builds being delivered--I'd think about flat out refusing delivery if it starts with 211 on the side of the box...
post #12261 of 14509
After months of research and after briefly owning a Sony 55EX850, viewing a Samsung 6100 (sisters), a Samsung 6500 (friends) and an 60ES8000, i have not been impressed whatsoever with picture quality.. I have a Samsung 46C650 that I purchased for my beroom 2 years ago and has just a good a picture if not better than the aforementioned sets. I've seen the Elite Pro at Best Buy and by far has the best picture quality of them all. That said, price is always a consideration.

For those that have been in my shoes and decided to purchase the 60" Elite Pro, have you been satisfied with your decision?

Thanks in advance!
post #12262 of 14509
cmp1960,

I bought my 60 inch Elite in early November from BB / Magnolia. It is an October 2012 build with the serial # beginning with A202. I spent about one year looking at various TV's including the Panny VT50 and the Sony 950. I kept coming back to the Elite. It seems to me to have the best black levels, crispest image and detail. I feel the Panny is a bit soft, but color accuracy almost perfect. I almost went with the Panny but since I live at 6000 feet, and the Elite having in my opinion a slightly sharper picture, I went with the Elite. Yes, I did view them both in THX mode with the same Blu ray disc.

My Elite does have VERY slight blotchiness / DSE on full white screens which is typical of LEC / LCD panels, and this has been noted in the Cnet and other reviews. This is only noticeable in scenes that have a panning white background, like the ice in a hockey game. I also have two wonky pixels, one, about one inch in and on the very upper row from the left corner and the other exactly in the extreme lower right corner. They both are only visible with input that takes up the entire usable screen, otherwise they are not visible. On full black screens, they are black. Can't see them. On full white screens, they are blackish - gray and fluctuate. On color, they fade in and out and with some colors, work fine. Go figure.

I do not have ANY green / pinkish / magenta bands, bars or blobs. The gray is uniform in its grayness, only with the above mentioned DSE.

I have had the Elite calibrated by the BB GeekSquad as it was "free" with the purchase. I don't know, it seems a bit over saturated in the reds. The wife says its okay. What the hell do I know? I did readjust the contrast and brightness.

Overall, I am very happy with the purchase and have enjoyed the Elite. I have gone back to BB and looked at the Panny, but the Elite, I think is still the better overall picture. Its a keeper.

Hope this helps,
Jim
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by jayhawk785 View Post

Not sure how you can say it blew them out of the water--unless your plasma's had some issues. The Elite has a very nice picture, as long as you're within 20 degrees of center. I kept debating re-arranging my living room to force the viewing angle to be within those constraints, then request another Elite to replace the one with the really bad uniformity / bleed / dse (whatever you want to call it).

I have a pn64d800, color and contrast is fantastic on it--but the 'flashing' issue is enough to make me look for a new tv. I also have a Pioneer Kuro 6020- and I think the picture there is still as good or better than the Elite (especially if you consider the viewing angles). The Elite is about as reflective as of the plasma currently in that room, and seems to be a touch more reflective/glossy than the vt50 (could just be my imagination).

I REALLY wanted this tv to be flawless--be one of the lucky ones that get a good run of these guys. Just wasnt in the cards--that and I couldn't get used to the desaturation in color from off-angle. I really hope they can improve on that in the coming years--baring OLED and it's pricetag, not sure that's possible.

They'll be picking up the Elite tomorrow and swapping it with a vt50. I figure I still have 30 days to make up my mind on what TV I want to go with for sure..

I know there are plasma and led fanboys out there--I'm honestly not one of those, at least i hope not. I'm willing to see the greatness in either side and take whichever offers me the best picture for my needs wink.gif

best of luck to those of you with nov2012 builds being delivered--I'd think about flat out refusing delivery if it starts with 211 on the side of the box...

To each their own, but if you recall I specifically named the D8000 and vt30 not the vt50 which was much improved over the vt30 and comparable to the Elite picture wise except in black levels anyway. rolleyes.gif I think you will like the vt50 and if you don't the vt60 is coming right around the corner real soon. tongue.gif
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Originally Posted by jayhawk785 View Post

The Elite has a very nice picture, as long as you're within 20 degrees of center. I kept debating re-arranging my living room to force the viewing angle to be within those constraints...


Ha...I keep debating the same thing myself! If I could squeeze one or two more feet out of this thing to the left and right most seats would have a great pic and wouldn't have to hear me always say "ohhhh man....if you could see this picture right now!".

So far that has been my only with negative with this set which suprised me since it was never an issue with my old Samsung A950.
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Originally Posted by jayhawk785 View Post

Not sure how you can say it blew them out of the water--unless your plasma's had some issues. The Elite has a very nice picture, as long as you're within 20 degrees of center. I kept debating re-arranging my living room to force the viewing angle to be within those constraints, then request another Elite to replace the one with the really bad uniformity / bleed / dse (whatever you want to call it).

I have a pn64d800, color and contrast is fantastic on it--but the 'flashing' issue is enough to make me look for a new tv. I also have a Pioneer Kuro 6020- and I think the picture there is still as good or better than the Elite (especially if you consider the viewing angles). The Elite is about as reflective as of the plasma currently in that room, and seems to be a touch more reflective/glossy than the vt50 (could just be my imagination).

I REALLY wanted this tv to be flawless--be one of the lucky ones that get a good run of these guys. Just wasnt in the cards--that and I couldn't get used to the desaturation in color from off-angle. I really hope they can improve on that in the coming years--baring OLED and it's pricetag, not sure that's possible.

They'll be picking up the Elite tomorrow and swapping it with a vt50. I figure I still have 30 days to make up my mind on what TV I want to go with for sure..

I know there are plasma and led fanboys out there--I'm honestly not one of those, at least i hope not. I'm willing to see the greatness in either side and take whichever offers me the best picture for my needs wink.gif

best of luck to those of you with nov2012 builds being delivered--I'd think about flat out refusing delivery if it starts with 211 on the side of the box...
Is the flashing issue something that happens in dark scenes where it looks like the picture turns into a "negative" for a few hundred milliseconds and then settles??? I have had extensive conversations on this forum a few weeks ago and I want to ID if that is the same issue?
post #12266 of 14509
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Originally Posted by lewisranchmike View Post

Is the flashing issue something that happens in dark scenes where it looks like the picture turns into a "negative" for a few hundred milliseconds and then settles??? I have had extensive conversations on this forum a few weeks ago and I want to ID if that is the same issue?

Nope, never heard of or seen the issue you're describing.
post #12267 of 14509
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Originally Posted by PalJoey View Post

Ha...I keep debating the same thing myself! If I could squeeze one or two more feet out of this thing to the left and right most seats would have a great pic and wouldn't have to hear me always say "ohhhh man....if you could see this picture right now!".

So fa r that has been my only with negative with this set which suprised me since it was never an issue with my old Samsung A950.



i have a 70 elite as well as a 65 sammy un65d8000 and i must say for a led tv the elite has a preety good viewing angle much better than my sammy
post #12268 of 14509
Overall I'm very happy with my 70" Elite, it's not perfect but pretty damn good.

Our viewing for the most part is no more than 20 to 30 degrees off axis and from there the display is terrific.
However, once you go beyond 45 degrees or so, the picture is sometimes horrific, especially with football games.
The amount of blooming/haloing becomes staggering, but I don't recall it ever being mentioned here.
I have had 3 60's and a 70 and they all looked the same in this regard, in fact all the Elites I've seen have shown this.

Unfortunately, my set is visible up to 80 degrees or so off axis, viewable from the kitchen/nook area.
The last gathering we had, a guest viewing the TV from kitchen asked "What's wrong with your TV?".
All I could say was, you need to sit in front to get the best picture, I was a little embarrassed.

The attached picture shows what I'm talking about.
It's a bad photograph, it's not nearly that washed out, but the haloing is actually worse than depicted.

Curious what the audience has to say.

Thanks
Jerry
post #12269 of 14509
Another set from 211 batch
looks better





but, dead pixel


QC for Elite went down with this Nov batch - IMHO
post #12270 of 14509
Hello have a chance to buy a 70 inch with serial number starting in 201. I am going to guess that it is a January 2012 production date. First off am I correct on the production at January and if so dose any one have problems with the January production. If it is not January then what is it. It is also a display model and has been on the floor for 6 months. Is there an hour meter that can be checked I figure is it 1700 hours and am to sure if that is a lot or not. Thanks
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