Official Sharp Elite PRO-70X5 and 60X5 Owners Thread - Page 410

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Not sure how you can say it blew them out of the water--unless your plasma's had some issues. The Elite has a very nice picture, as long as you're within 20 degrees of center. I kept debating re-arranging my living room to force the viewing angle to be within those constraints, then request another Elite to replace the one with the really bad uniformity / bleed / dse (whatever you want to call it).

I have a pn64d800, color and contrast is fantastic on it--but the 'flashing' issue is enough to make me look for a new tv. I also have a Pioneer Kuro 6020- and I think the picture there is still as good or better than the Elite (especially if you consider the viewing angles). The Elite is about as reflective as of the plasma currently in that room, and seems to be a touch more reflective/glossy than the vt50 (could just be my imagination).

I REALLY wanted this tv to be flawless--be one of the lucky ones that get a good run of these guys. Just wasnt in the cards--that and I couldn't get used to the desaturation in color from off-angle. I really hope they can improve on that in the coming years--baring OLED and it's pricetag, not sure that's possible.

They'll be picking up the Elite tomorrow and swapping it with a vt50. I figure I still have 30 days to make up my mind on what TV I want to go with for sure..

I know there are plasma and led fanboys out there--I'm honestly not one of those, at least i hope not. I'm willing to see the greatness in either side and take whichever offers me the best picture for my needs

best of luck to those of you with nov2012 builds being delivered--I'd think about flat out refusing delivery if it starts with 211 on the side of the box...

After months of research and after briefly owning a Sony 55EX850, viewing a Samsung 6100 (sisters), a Samsung 6500 (friends) and an 60ES8000, i have not been impressed whatsoever with picture quality.. I have a Samsung 46C650 that I purchased for my beroom 2 years ago and has just a good a picture if not better than the aforementioned sets. I've seen the Elite Pro at Best Buy and by far has the best picture quality of them all. That said, price is always a consideration.

For those that have been in my shoes and decided to purchase the 60" Elite Pro, have you been satisfied with your decision?

Thanks in advance!

cmp1960,

I bought my 60 inch Elite in early November from BB / Magnolia. It is an October 2012 build with the serial # beginning with A202. I spent about one year looking at various TV's including the Panny VT50 and the Sony 950. I kept coming back to the Elite. It seems to me to have the best black levels, crispest image and detail. I feel the Panny is a bit soft, but color accuracy almost perfect. I almost went with the Panny but since I live at 6000 feet, and the Elite having in my opinion a slightly sharper picture, I went with the Elite. Yes, I did view them both in THX mode with the same Blu ray disc.

My Elite does have VERY slight blotchiness / DSE on full white screens which is typical of LEC / LCD panels, and this has been noted in the Cnet and other reviews. This is only noticeable in scenes that have a panning white background, like the ice in a hockey game. I also have two wonky pixels, one, about one inch in and on the very upper row from the left corner and the other exactly in the extreme lower right corner. They both are only visible with input that takes up the entire usable screen, otherwise they are not visible. On full black screens, they are black. Can't see them. On full white screens, they are blackish - gray and fluctuate. On color, they fade in and out and with some colors, work fine. Go figure.

I do not have ANY green / pinkish / magenta bands, bars or blobs. The gray is uniform in its grayness, only with the above mentioned DSE.

I have had the Elite calibrated by the BB GeekSquad as it was "free" with the purchase. I don't know, it seems a bit over saturated in the reds. The wife says its okay. What the hell do I know? I did readjust the contrast and brightness.

Overall, I am very happy with the purchase and have enjoyed the Elite. I have gone back to BB and looked at the Panny, but the Elite, I think is still the better overall picture. Its a keeper.

Hope this helps,
Jim

Ha...I keep debating the same thing myself! If I could squeeze one or two more feet out of this thing to the left and right most seats would have a great pic and wouldn't have to hear me always say "ohhhh man....if you could see this picture right now!".

So far that has been my only with negative with this set which suprised me since it was never an issue with my old Samsung A950.

Is the flashing issue something that happens in dark scenes where it looks like the picture turns into a "negative" for a few hundred milliseconds and then settles??? I have had extensive conversations on this forum a few weeks ago and I want to ID if that is the same issue?

Nope, never heard of or seen the issue you're describing.

i have a 70 elite as well as a 65 sammy un65d8000 and i must say for a led tv the elite has a preety good viewing angle much better than my sammy

Overall I'm very happy with my 70" Elite, it's not perfect but pretty damn good.

Our viewing for the most part is no more than 20 to 30 degrees off axis and from there the display is terrific.
However, once you go beyond 45 degrees or so, the picture is sometimes horrific, especially with football games.
The amount of blooming/haloing becomes staggering, but I don't recall it ever being mentioned here.
I have had 3 60's and a 70 and they all looked the same in this regard, in fact all the Elites I've seen have shown this.

Unfortunately, my set is visible up to 80 degrees or so off axis, viewable from the kitchen/nook area.
The last gathering we had, a guest viewing the TV from kitchen asked "What's wrong with your TV?".
All I could say was, you need to sit in front to get the best picture, I was a little embarrassed.

The attached picture shows what I'm talking about.
It's a bad photograph, it's not nearly that washed out, but the haloing is actually worse than depicted.

Curious what the audience has to say.

Thanks
Jerry

Another set from 211 batch
looks better





but, dead pixel


QC for Elite went down with this Nov batch - IMHO

Hello have a chance to buy a 70 inch with serial number starting in 201. I am going to guess that it is a January 2012 production date. First off am I correct on the production at January and if so dose any one have problems with the January production. If it is not January then what is it. It is also a display model and has been on the floor for 6 months. Is there an hour meter that can be checked I figure is it 1700 hours and am to sure if that is a lot or not. Thanks

Yes. that blooming and haloing is normal when viewing way beyond 45 degrees. It's not been mentioned here frequently since most who buy this set know about this issue.


I don't know how to check the amount of panel hours, but 1700 hours is not that much so don't worry about. Mine was a floor model as well with about 6 months on BBY/Magnolia's floor.

Thanks for response

Any chance you know what Elite can accept over HDMI color format wise? RGB or YCbCr? And which one has full 4:4:4?
Which one is native color format for the Elite RGB or YCbCr?

I know that most B-Ray output in YCbCr 4:4:2, while some in YCbCr 4:4:4

When I output in Full RGB 4:4:4 0-255 I see clipping till 16 and after 240
When I output in Full YCbCr 4:4:4 I see no clipping and I can see even 2 and 253 by my eyes vs 0 and 255 background.
However, YCbCr isn't precise as RGB on TV. It's kind of pixel shifting or color shifting over correct pixel. As result the image in YCbCr isn't as sharp as in RGB mode.

Does Elite has option to set 0-255 and 16-240 and where is it?

Thanks

just got my 60" at home - man, what a picture. it is a Nov build.

i am trying some of the slides on a USB and 'think' i see some of the gree/red spotting but is honestly a little hard to tell. i do think i notice a vertical band going top to bottom almost thru middle of the screen - was the elite known for this banding? is it one of the unavoidable things about LED?

also, im thinking maybe its better to look at these full screen colored slides during night when there are not other reflections.etc. that are trying to be managed.

not sure what im going to do because the picture is sooooo nice...not sure if i should just live with whatever issues there are if it is not notiecable during normal viewing - is that what most have done?

Would Elite owner run this attached pic pattern on TV? Please.
Do you see it as static and without artifacts on your TV? Especially while TV in any calibrated ISF mode.

http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/clock_phase.php#clockcalib




those should not be resized, but 1920x1080.
Just copy those to USB drive or use HTPC in 1080P mode. It has to be 1:1 pixel mapping.
Otherwise, the pattern will not work.

My Lumagen Radiance video processor can output all three color spaces and RGB PC levels. The Elite will accept all three at 8, 10, or 12 bit. If your brightness and contrast are set properly you will see 17 thru 254 with 255 being the same as the background white. If you see 16 and below blacks are being clipped. I see no difference between the 3 color space outputs using the Spears & Munsil chroma multi burst high frequency pattern sent thru the Radiance. This assumes the BD player source is upsampling the 4:2:0 source from the disc to 422 correctly. Not all players do so. Given that, 444 or RGB video with 17 thru 250 or so visible may be a safe bet. The TV itself will take the input and convert to RGB for internal processing. Color space is set in the source there is no setting on the Elite.

thank you for the reply.
I understand what you wrote, but it isn't what I see on my TV.
When I output in Full 255 RGB the Elite shows clipped range.
In my HTPC for ATI video card I can select one out of 4 options, two for each color coding full or clipped.
I used the same HTPC with Full RGB for Sony XBR 909 and it shows full RGB, however XBR has option for RGB Full or 16-240. So this isn't my HTPC issue / specific, but to TV settings / processing.
This is why was my Q about similar option in Elite. That I can't find.
In short - I can't make Full RGB work in my Elite.

I just want send out a big THANK YOU to Chris @ Cleveland Plasma.

My best friend (Mike) followed my advice to call Chris about purchasing the 70" Elite after seeing mine several times.
His 70 Elite was delivered today, as scheduled and on-time.
We looked at the box and saw BUILD DATE NOV2012
I thought to myself, Uh...Ohhhh...Now I am worried about green and pinks bands and blobs from reading this thread.
I had warned him about this latest build date issue and showed him some pictures from this forum before the TV arrived.
My buddy does not read any online forums. He was very nervous about it after I showed him these pictures..
Anyway, we opened the box, powered it up, and I put in a USB stick with the Plasma break in slides
I can confirm, that this is the BEST Elite I have seen!!
Its better that my 15 month old Elite 70.
His full white screen is absolute bright white all over with no gray, pink, or green bands. Absolutely None
His full black screen looks like the TV is turned OFF.
PERFECT in every way.
I entered N3W813's settings, and they looked greenish on his set.
On my set, N3W813's setting are very vivid and with perfect skin tones.
So, I entered in the CNET settings and it put that WOW factor right were it needed to be.

So, to Chris at CP....Thanks for hooking my buddy up....You Rock
Anyone else out there on the fence
Get your Elite from Chris. There are perfect Nov 2012 sets out there.

@ N3W813
Do you have any explanation why your below settings would look perfect and vivid with plenty of POP and WOW on my 70, but have a greenish tint to the picture and skin tones on my buddies set?
His set is brand new, just powered up today.
Should I let it break in and try again?
Instead, as I stated in the last post, we put in the CNET settings and that made it look close to my set, but not quite as good as mine.
Any hint to eliminate the green hue? I played with tint a bit, but that did not do it all.
Granted, my set is 15 months old, and his is NOV2012 build date.
Here are your last posted settings.

"NOV2012 build date."
and purchased from C.P. good luck to your buddy. did you throw up any greyscale patterns yet to check for the current 11/12 70" issues?

Make sure all processing like Precision Color is turned off.

BTW, calibration only affects the color of the image. Sharpness might have some effect.

Thanks for the update... Honestly, do not want to rain on a parade, and if Chris found a magic batch, I would love to see it, but we keep hearing about these sets with zero green DSE but have not seen a single picture from anyone. At this point I would love to see a picture of the grey 50% pattern and 109% above white pattern on this set... BTW, make sure that you view patterns in THX mode with LD On, green banding is not very visible in the Advanced Low and outside of THX modes. To say that it has zero is huge statement because even 108 and 201 sets had a tiny bit of it, not a lot but it can be seen even without a meter however on 108 and 201 series these green was not visible in the normal viewing material.

Yes, I put up a 50% gray, full white, full black green, red, blue and yellow.
I was so surprised at the even uniformity. It is perfect, especially after seeing that it was a NOV2012 build.
I am going back over there tomorrow.
I will get pictures of it and post here

wow....interesting...

I guess there's still hope for the Nov. builds. Hopefully my replacement set from BB has perfect uniformity too. And if not guess ill have to have them bring yet another one in till i get that perfect one.

I'm confused about how they would position a next-generation Elite.

There are going to be 4 product lines without it.

Good 2K, Quattron.
Pseudo 4K Quattron
True 4K
True 4K with ICC.

Where would you sell an Elite in addition to that? It seems borderline insane.

He prefers plasma, so I dont think it would matter.
Edited by yamvmax - 1/26/13 at 8:32am

All I can say is that RGB Video (0-255) works on the Elite using my Radiance output. With brightness and contrast set properly, I can't see a difference in outputs using the S&M test patterns. All output is fed to HDMI 1. Based upon your comments, 444 seems to work. I would settle for that or you might try the PC input and see if that fixes your issues. Also, check some video reference material you are familiar with. What shows up as a problem on test patterns doesn't always translate to a real world problem.