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post #12271 of 14509
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Originally Posted by jwcole1224 View Post

Overall I'm very happy with my 70" Elite, it's not perfect but pretty damn good.

Our viewing for the most part is no more than 20 to 30 degrees off axis and from there the display is terrific.
However, once you go beyond 45 degrees or so, the picture is sometimes horrific, especially with football games.
The amount of blooming/haloing becomes staggering, but I don't recall it ever being mentioned here.
I have had 3 60's and a 70 and they all looked the same in this regard, in fact all the Elites I've seen have shown this.

Unfortunately, my set is visible up to 80 degrees or so off axis, viewable from the kitchen/nook area.
The last gathering we had, a guest viewing the TV from kitchen asked "What's wrong with your TV?".
All I could say was, you need to sit in front to get the best picture, I was a little embarrassed.

The attached picture shows what I'm talking about.
It's a bad photograph, it's not nearly that washed out, but the haloing is actually worse than depicted.

Curious what the audience has to say.

Thanks
Jerry

Yes. that blooming and haloing is normal when viewing way beyond 45 degrees. It's not been mentioned here frequently since most who buy this set know about this issue.

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Originally Posted by bziggy View Post

Hello have a chance to buy a 70 inch with serial number starting in 201. I am going to guess that it is a January 2012 production date. First off am I correct on the production at January and if so dose any one have problems with the January production. If it is not January then what is it. It is also a display model and has been on the floor for 6 months. Is there an hour meter that can be checked I figure is it 1700 hours and am to sure if that is a lot or not. Thanks

I don't know how to check the amount of panel hours, but 1700 hours is not that much so don't worry about. Mine was a floor model as well with about 6 months on BBY/Magnolia's floor.
post #12272 of 14509
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Originally Posted by GeneWildersHair View Post

Nope, never heard of or seen the issue you're describing.
Thanks for response
post #12273 of 14509
Any chance you know what Elite can accept over HDMI color format wise? RGB or YCbCr? And which one has full 4:4:4?
Which one is native color format for the Elite RGB or YCbCr?

I know that most B-Ray output in YCbCr 4:4:2, while some in YCbCr 4:4:4

When I output in Full RGB 4:4:4 0-255 I see clipping till 16 and after 240
When I output in Full YCbCr 4:4:4 I see no clipping and I can see even 2 and 253 by my eyes vs 0 and 255 background.
However, YCbCr isn't precise as RGB on TV. It's kind of pixel shifting or color shifting over correct pixel. As result the image in YCbCr isn't as sharp as in RGB mode.

Does Elite has option to set 0-255 and 16-240 and where is it?

Thanks
post #12274 of 14509
just got my 60" at home - man, what a picture. it is a Nov build.

i am trying some of the slides on a USB and 'think' i see some of the gree/red spotting but is honestly a little hard to tell. i do think i notice a vertical band going top to bottom almost thru middle of the screen - was the elite known for this banding? is it one of the unavoidable things about LED?

also, im thinking maybe its better to look at these full screen colored slides during night when there are not other reflections.etc. that are trying to be managed.

not sure what im going to do because the picture is sooooo nice...not sure if i should just live with whatever issues there are if it is not notiecable during normal viewing - is that what most have done?
post #12275 of 14509
Would Elite owner run this attached pic pattern on TV? Please.
Do you see it as static and without artifacts on your TV? Especially while TV in any calibrated ISF mode.

http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/clock_phase.php#clockcalib




those should not be resized, but 1920x1080.
Just copy those to USB drive or use HTPC in 1080P mode. It has to be 1:1 pixel mapping.
Otherwise, the pattern will not work.
post #12276 of 14509
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Originally Posted by mikek753 View Post

Any chance you know what Elite can accept over HDMI color format wise? RGB or YCbCr? And which one has full 4:4:4?
Which one is native color format for the Elite RGB or YCbCr?

I know that most B-Ray output in YCbCr 4:4:2, while some in YCbCr 4:4:4

When I output in Full RGB 4:4:4 0-255 I see clipping till 16 and after 240
When I output in Full YCbCr 4:4:4 I see no clipping and I can see even 2 and 253 by my eyes vs 0 and 255 background.
However, YCbCr isn't precise as RGB on TV. It's kind of pixel shifting or color shifting over correct pixel. As result the image in YCbCr isn't as sharp as in RGB mode.

Does Elite has option to set 0-255 and 16-240 and where is it?

Thanks

My Lumagen Radiance video processor can output all three color spaces and RGB PC levels. The Elite will accept all three at 8, 10, or 12 bit. If your brightness and contrast are set properly you will see 17 thru 254 with 255 being the same as the background white. If you see 16 and below blacks are being clipped. I see no difference between the 3 color space outputs using the Spears & Munsil chroma multi burst high frequency pattern sent thru the Radiance. This assumes the BD player source is upsampling the 4:2:0 source from the disc to 422 correctly. Not all players do so. Given that, 444 or RGB video with 17 thru 250 or so visible may be a safe bet. The TV itself will take the input and convert to RGB for internal processing. Color space is set in the source there is no setting on the Elite.
post #12277 of 14509
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Originally Posted by dsinger View Post

My Lumagen Radiance video processor can output all three color spaces and RGB PC levels. The Elite will accept all three at 8, 10, or 12 bit. If your brightness and contrast are set properly you will see 17 thru 254 with 255 being the same as the background white. If you see 16 and below blacks are being clipped. I see no difference between the 3 color space outputs using the Spears & Munsil chroma multi burst high frequency pattern sent thru the Radiance. This assumes the BD player source is upsampling the 4:2:0 source from the disc to 422 correctly. Not all players do so. Given that, 444 or RGB video with 17 thru 250 or so visible may be a safe bet. The TV itself will take the input and convert to RGB for internal processing. Color space is set in the source there is no setting on the Elite.

thank you for the reply.
I understand what you wrote, but it isn't what I see on my TV.
When I output in Full 255 RGB the Elite shows clipped range.
In my HTPC for ATI video card I can select one out of 4 options, two for each color coding full or clipped.
I used the same HTPC with Full RGB for Sony XBR 909 and it shows full RGB, however XBR has option for RGB Full or 16-240. So this isn't my HTPC issue / specific, but to TV settings / processing.
This is why was my Q about similar option in Elite. That I can't find.
In short - I can't make Full RGB work in my Elite.
post #12278 of 14509
I just want send out a big THANK YOU to Chris @ Cleveland Plasma.

My best friend (Mike) followed my advice to call Chris about purchasing the 70" Elite after seeing mine several times.
His 70 Elite was delivered today, as scheduled and on-time.
We looked at the box and saw BUILD DATE NOV2012
I thought to myself, Uh...Ohhhh...Now I am worried about green and pinks bands and blobs from reading this thread.
I had warned him about this latest build date issue and showed him some pictures from this forum before the TV arrived.
My buddy does not read any online forums. He was very nervous about it after I showed him these pictures..
Anyway, we opened the box, powered it up, and I put in a USB stick with the Plasma break in slides
I can confirm, that this is the BEST Elite I have seen!!
Its better that my 15 month old Elite 70.
His full white screen is absolute bright white all over with no gray, pink, or green bands. Absolutely None
His full black screen looks like the TV is turned OFF.
PERFECT in every way.
I entered N3W813's settings, and they looked greenish on his set.
On my set, N3W813's setting are very vivid and with perfect skin tones.
So, I entered in the CNET settings and it put that WOW factor right were it needed to be.

So, to Chris at CP....Thanks for hooking my buddy up....You Rock
Anyone else out there on the fence
Get your Elite from Chris. There are perfect Nov 2012 sets out there.
post #12279 of 14509
@ N3W813
Do you have any explanation why your below settings would look perfect and vivid with plenty of POP and WOW on my 70, but have a greenish tint to the picture and skin tones on my buddies set?
His set is brand new, just powered up today.
Should I let it break in and try again?
Instead, as I stated in the last post, we put in the CNET settings and that made it look close to my set, but not quite as good as mine.
Any hint to eliminate the green hue? I played with tint a bit, but that did not do it all.
Granted, my set is 15 months old, and his is NOV2012 build date.
Here are your last posted settings.
post #12280 of 14509
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Originally Posted by obxdiver View Post

@ N3W813
Do you have any explanation why your below settings would look perfect and vivid with plenty of POP and WOW on my 70, but have a greenish tint to the picture and skin tones on my buddies set?
His set is brand new, just powered up today.
Should I let it break in and try again?
Instead, as I stated in the last post, we put in the CNET settings and that made it look close to my set, but not quite as good as mine.
Any hint to eliminate the green hue? I played with tint a bit, but that did not do it all.
Granted, my set is 15 months old, and his is NOV2012 build date.
Here are your last posted settings.

"NOV2012 build date."
and purchased from C.P. good luck to your buddy. did you throw up any greyscale patterns yet to check for the current 11/12 70" issues?
post #12281 of 14509
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Originally Posted by mikek753 View Post

Would Elite owner run this attached pic pattern on TV? Please.
Do you see it as static and without artifacts on your TV? Especially while TV in any calibrated ISF mode.

http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/clock_phase.php#clockcalib

...
Pics removed
...

those should not be resized, but 1920x1080.
Just copy those to USB drive or use HTPC in 1080P mode. It has to be 1:1 pixel mapping.
Otherwise, the pattern will not work.
Make sure all processing like Precision Color is turned off.

BTW, calibration only affects the color of the image. Sharpness might have some effect.
post #12282 of 14509
Thanks for the update... Honestly, do not want to rain on a parade, and if Chris found a magic batch, I would love to see it, but we keep hearing about these sets with zero green DSE but have not seen a single picture from anyone. At this point I would love to see a picture of the grey 50% pattern and 109% above white pattern on this set... BTW, make sure that you view patterns in THX mode with LD On, green banding is not very visible in the Advanced Low and outside of THX modes. To say that it has zero is huge statement because even 108 and 201 sets had a tiny bit of it, not a lot but it can be seen even without a meter however on 108 and 201 series these green was not visible in the normal viewing material.

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Originally Posted by obxdiver View Post

I just want send out a big THANK YOU to Chris @ Cleveland Plasma.

My best friend (Mike) followed my advice to call Chris about purchasing the 70" Elite after seeing mine several times.
His 70 Elite was delivered today, as scheduled and on-time.
We looked at the box and saw BUILD DATE NOV2012
I thought to myself, Uh...Ohhhh...Now I am worried about green and pinks bands and blobs from reading this thread.
I had warned him about this latest build date issue and showed him some pictures from this forum before the TV arrived.
My buddy does not read any online forums. He was very nervous about it after I showed him these pictures..
Anyway, we opened the box, powered it up, and I put in a USB stick with the Plasma break in slides
I can confirm, that this is the BEST Elite I have seen!!
Its better that my 15 month old Elite 70.
His full white screen is absolute bright white all over with no gray, pink, or green bands. Absolutely None
His full black screen looks like the TV is turned OFF.
PERFECT in every way.
I entered N3W813's settings, and they looked greenish on his set.
On my set, N3W813's setting are very vivid and with perfect skin tones.
So, I entered in the CNET settings and it put that WOW factor right were it needed to be.

So, to Chris at CP....Thanks for hooking my buddy up....You Rock
Anyone else out there on the fence
Get your Elite from Chris. There are perfect Nov 2012 sets out there.
post #12283 of 14509
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Originally Posted by airgas1998 View Post

"NOV2012 build date."
and purchased from C.P. good luck to your buddy. did you throw up any greyscale patterns yet to check for the current 11/12 70" issues?
Yes, I put up a 50% gray, full white, full black green, red, blue and yellow.
I was so surprised at the even uniformity. It is perfect, especially after seeing that it was a NOV2012 build.
I am going back over there tomorrow.
I will get pictures of it and post here
post #12284 of 14509
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Originally Posted by obxdiver View Post

Yes, I put up a 50% gray, full white, full black green, red, blue and yellow.
I was so surprised at the even uniformity. It is perfect, especially after seeing that it was a NOV2012 build.
I am going back over there tomorrow.
I will get pictures of it and post here
wow....interesting...
post #12285 of 14509
I guess there's still hope for the Nov. builds. Hopefully my replacement set from BB has perfect uniformity too. And if not guess ill have to have them bring yet another one in till i get that perfect one.
post #12286 of 14509
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Originally Posted by brittvgc View Post

I wonder what info D-Nice got about 2nd gen elites that made him not want to buy the current models even with a color fix? I sent him a PM yesterday about this. No answer yet and im not really expecting any.1.gif

I'm confused about how they would position a next-generation Elite.

There are going to be 4 product lines without it.

Good 2K, Quattron.
Pseudo 4K Quattron
True 4K
True 4K with ICC.

Where would you sell an Elite in addition to that? It seems borderline insane.
post #12287 of 14509
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Originally Posted by brittvgc View Post

I wonder what info D-Nice got about 2nd gen elites that made him not want to buy the current models even with a color fix? I sent him a PM yesterday about this. No answer yet and im not really expecting any.1.gif

He prefers plasma, so I dont think it would matter.
Edited by yamvmax - 1/26/13 at 8:32am
post #12288 of 14509
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Originally Posted by mikek753 View Post

thank you for the reply.
I understand what you wrote, but it isn't what I see on my TV.
When I output in Full 255 RGB the Elite shows clipped range.
In my HTPC for ATI video card I can select one out of 4 options, two for each color coding full or clipped.
I used the same HTPC with Full RGB for Sony XBR 909 and it shows full RGB, however XBR has option for RGB Full or 16-240. So this isn't my HTPC issue / specific, but to TV settings / processing.
This is why was my Q about similar option in Elite. That I can't find.
In short - I can't make Full RGB work in my Elite.

All I can say is that RGB Video (0-255) works on the Elite using my Radiance output. With brightness and contrast set properly, I can't see a difference in outputs using the S&M test patterns. All output is fed to HDMI 1. Based upon your comments, 444 seems to work. I would settle for that or you might try the PC input and see if that fixes your issues. Also, check some video reference material you are familiar with. What shows up as a problem on test patterns doesn't always translate to a real world problem.
post #12289 of 14509
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Originally Posted by brittvgc View Post

I wonder what info D-Nice got about 2nd gen elites that made him not want to buy the current models even with a color fix? I sent him a PM yesterday about this. No answer yet and im not really expecting any.1.gif

There is zero confirmation from anyone that there will be a 2nd gen Elite. Management at Sharp has changed, execs have left and nobody, repeat nobody, has reliable info that there will be a 2nd gen Elite, let alone the specifics of the unit.

There were rumors months ago, but they were all unfounded. If anyone tells you they 'know' about a next gen Elite, run the other way. smile.gif
post #12290 of 14509
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Originally Posted by rhed View Post

I guess there's still hope for the Nov. builds. Hopefully my replacement set from BB has perfect uniformity too. And if not guess ill have to have them bring yet another one in till i get that perfect one.

Not to rain on your parade, but it may be that BB has a real bad batch based on nearly sequential serial #s that indicate they came from the same production run. It's possible that Chris has a few that came from a different run, even though a Nov build, that don't manifest this issue. Who knows?

I really wish you the best.
post #12291 of 14509
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Originally Posted by obxdiver View Post

@ N3W813
Do you have any explanation why your below settings would look perfect and vivid with plenty of POP and WOW on my 70, but have a greenish tint to the picture and skin tones on my buddies set?

I have been having this greenish tint always just around the eyes and forehead of faces. I have tried multiple sources and settings and it still persists, with the degrees of severity varying.

Any ideas? Tried tint and it helped a bit but seemed to far skewed to be a correct solution.




Edited by PalJoey - 1/26/13 at 9:54am
post #12292 of 14509
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Originally Posted by yamvmax View Post

He prefers plasma, so I dont think it would matter.

+1. I remember that post. I always felt that "info" was bogus to begin with and was more of a way to exit this thread. Whether or not there is a second gen Elite won't take away from the enjoyment of my 70"
post #12293 of 14509
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Originally Posted by obxdiver View Post

@ N3W813
Do you have any explanation why your below settings would look perfect and vivid with plenty of POP and WOW on my 70, but have a greenish tint to the picture and skin tones on my buddies set?
His set is brand new, just powered up today.
Should I let it break in and try again?
Instead, as I stated in the last post, we put in the CNET settings and that made it look close to my set, but not quite as good as mine.
Any hint to eliminate the green hue? I played with tint a bit, but that did not do it all.
Granted, my set is 15 months old, and his is NOV2012 build date.

My Nov12 set has significantly different default greyscale readings then my previous set. Therefore, the settings I posed for my previous set may not produce a desireable output for the Nov12 sets. I've calibrated my Nov12 ISF modes and it looks great. When I get a chance, I'll calibrate the Movie THX mode.

For now, use my previous settings but change the 10-point greyscale settings (all 10) to

R +5
G 0
B -12
post #12294 of 14509
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Originally Posted by N3W813 View Post

My Nov12 set has significantly different default greyscale readings then my previous set. Therefore, the settings I posed for my previous set may not produce a desireable output for the Nov12 sets. I've calibrated my Nov12 ISF modes and it looks great. When I get a chance, I'll calibrate the Movie THX mode.

For now, use my previous settings but change the 10-point greyscale settings (all 10) to

R +5
G 0
B -12
Thanks, but I think I found out why
I went back over to my buddies house to hook up his Darbee
While there, I kept noticing that green leaf beside the backlight setting in the picture settings menu, and a green leaf next to the input label in the upper right corner.
I knew my set did not show this, and figured out his power management was ON.
Both my set and his set have the same firmware version (latest ver.)
I could not change it in the Power Options menu because it was grayed out.
I finally remembered that the little door on the bottom of the remote opens to reveal more buttons.
Inside this hidden section of the remote, there is a "Power Savings" button
The button will not allow changes in THX Movie
I switched to just "Movie" mode, and hit the "power savings" button under the hidden door.
Wala...Power Savings OFF..All the green leaves also gone. BTW...There are 3 different settings.. Choose OFF
I don't want the Elite to save trees rolleyes.gif



Next, a did a reset of all picture settings (he was using CNET settings)
Next I entered your settings (posted above)
Now its perfect, just like my set !!
Either 10 hours of use fixed it, or the Power Management was doing it
Either way, the green tint is gone, and all skin tones are perfect

So, you guys should make sure your power savings is switched OFF

I pulled up the full white screen and the 50% gray again with the TV in its final resting place.
Again, I am still saying this Elite is perfect IN THX MOVIE
No green, no pinks.
Very very slight gray bands off to the right side.

Here is a picture of my buddies NOV2012 build of all white in THX Movie
TV purchased from Cleveland Plasma


Edited by obxdiver - 1/26/13 at 12:55pm
post #12295 of 14509
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Originally Posted by PalJoey View Post

I have been having this greenish tint always just around the eyes and forehead of faces. I have tried multiple sources and settings and it still persists, with the degrees of severity varying.

Any ideas? Tried tint and it helped a bit but seemed to far skewed to be a correct solution.



Your pictures look similar to what I saw.
Try to disable the power savings (PS)
Its worth a try
If u seen any green leaves in your menu or in the upper right corner of the screen, then PS is ON
post #12296 of 14509
Hello everybody,

Got my 60 inch elite a little over a week ago on a warranty exchange from my old Samsung 950 55 inch tv. I really loved my old 950 as it was one of the first full local dimming LED TVs and had a great picture.
I originally tried a 65 inch 8000 series Samsung but found the blacks to be under par and the Magnolia salesman told me about the Elite.

I am very happy with all aspects of my elite but there is a deal breaker going on with me right now, I have the flashing pulsing issue with this TV.

This is what happens to my TV,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhPF5xufXiw

Would other elite 60 owners consider this to be acceptable and one of this TVs flaws.

I have my TV hooked up thru a denon avr 3808ci and I have an Oppo BDP-103 as a blu ray player.

This issue doesn't happen on all material making it really annoying but when it does happen it pulls me right out of the movie and ruins the experience for me.

When it is not doing it this tv has a great picture and would be the perfect tv if not for this flashing issue.

I am using thx picture mode and N3W813s picture setting (thank you by the way for taking the time)

I am thinking about trying to have magnolia swap this out with another one any advice would be great.

Thanks in advance,

Max
post #12297 of 14509
Quote:
Originally Posted by obxdiver View Post


Here is a picture of my buddies NOV2012 build of all white in THX Movie
TV purchased from Cleveland Plasma


Wow - this is all I can say - Wow

I have nothing close to this, but pink with green



Would you post pic for 40% and 109% that play from USB and 50% gray as well? Pls.

How come we got from BB gray DSE? Is it specific to BB batch only?
post #12298 of 14509
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Originally Posted by mlmadmax View Post

Hello everybody,

Got my 60 inch elite a little over a week ago on a warranty exchange from my old Samsung 950 55 inch tv. I really loved my old 950 as it was one of the first full local dimming LED TVs and had a great picture.
I originally tried a 65 inch 8000 series Samsung but found the blacks to be under par and the Magnolia salesman told me about the Elite.

I had the exact TV as you (LN55A950) and exchange for a 60" Elite as well. Really miss the A950 too! What was your issue...no panel avaialble for replacement?

The pulsing is a known problem and something I saw right away however I believe it is a non-issue because it can be virtually non existent with changes to certain settings. I recorded a show where the pulsing was really bad on my set which I replayed after calibration and the pulsing was completely gone. I do not see it in my ISF modes nor calibrated THX mode and honestly totally forgot about the issue until I saw your post.
post #12299 of 14509
Quote:
Originally Posted by obxdiver View Post

Thanks, but I think I found out why
I went back over to my buddies house to hook up his Darbee
While there, I kept noticing that green leaf beside the backlight setting in the picture settings menu, and a green leaf next to the input label in the upper right corner.
I knew my set did not show this, and figured out his power management was ON.
Both my set and his set have the same firmware version (latest ver.)
I could not change it in the Power Options menu because it was grayed out.
I finally remembered that the little door on the bottom of the remote opens to reveal more buttons.
Inside this hidden section of the remote, there is a "Power Savings" button
The button will not allow changes in THX Movie
I switched to just "Movie" mode, and hit the "power savings" button under the hidden door.
Wala...Power Savings OFF..All the green leaves also gone. BTW...There are 3 different settings.. Choose OFF
I don't want the Elite to save trees rolleyes.gif



Next, a did a reset of all picture settings (he was using CNET settings)
Next I entered your settings (posted above)
Now its perfect, just like my set !!
Either 10 hours of use fixed it, or the Power Management was doing it
Either way, the green tint is gone, and all skin tones are perfect

So, you guys should make sure your power savings is switched OFF

I pulled up the full white screen and the 50% gray again with the TV in its final resting place.
Again, I am still saying this Elite is perfect IN THX MOVIE
No green, no pinks.
Very very slight gray bands off to the right side.

Here is a picture of my buddies NOV2012 build of all white in THX Movie
TV purchased from Cleveland Plasma


i guess that's called about as good as it gets.wow...very nice...
post #12300 of 14509
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Originally Posted by PalJoey View Post

I had the exact TV as you (LN55A950) and exchange for a 60" Elite as well. Really miss the A950 too! What was your issue...no panel avaialble for replacement?

The pulsing is a known problem and something I saw right away however I believe it is a non-issue because it can be virtually non existent with changes to certain settings. I recorded a show where the pulsing was really bad on my set which I replayed after calibration and the pulsing was completely gone. I do not see it in my ISF modes nor calibrated THX mode and honestly totally forgot about the issue until I saw your post.

Yes there where no panels available for replacement, as much as I love that tv it got the verticals lines of death after two years and had to have the panel replaced and then two years after that same thing happened and no panels available.

The pulsing thing is really annoying because it happens on random material. There are movies that it doesn't happen at all on and then it pops up mostly on backgrounds like in my example.

Do you know any of the settings that eliminate the problem?

Also at this price point it should not need to be calibrated to eliminate an issue such as this. My 950 didn't flash and this shouldn't either.

So I take it the flashing is normal on all the elite tvs?

Thanks again for any advice

Max
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