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post #12331 of 14509
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Originally Posted by alebrady View Post

turning off power saving does not seem to address the discoloration and banding issues that i see on my screen
That is very unfortunate.
I was hoping for a miracle I guess.
post #12332 of 14509
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Originally Posted by obxdiver View Post

Thanks, but I think I found out why
I went back over to my buddies house to hook up his Darbee
While there, I kept noticing that green leaf beside the backlight setting in the picture settings menu, and a green leaf next to the input label in the upper right corner.
I knew my set did not show this, and figured out his power management was ON.
Both my set and his set have the same firmware version (latest ver.)
I could not change it in the Power Options menu because it was grayed out.
I finally remembered that the little door on the bottom of the remote opens to reveal more buttons.
Inside this hidden section of the remote, there is a "Power Savings" button
The button will not allow changes in THX Movie
I switched to just "Movie" mode, and hit the "power savings" button under the hidden door.
Wala...Power Savings OFF..All the green leaves also gone. BTW...There are 3 different settings.. Choose OFF
I don't want the Elite to save trees rolleyes.gif



Next, a did a reset of all picture settings (he was using CNET settings)
Next I entered your settings (posted above)
Now its perfect, just like my set !!
Either 10 hours of use fixed it, or the Power Management was doing it
Either way, the green tint is gone, and all skin tones are perfect

So, you guys should make sure your power savings is switched OFF

I pulled up the full white screen and the 50% gray again with the TV in its final resting place.
Again, I am still saying this Elite is perfect IN THX MOVIE
No green, no pinks.
Very very slight gray bands off to the right side.

Here is a picture of my buddies NOV2012 build of all white in THX Movie
TV purchased from Cleveland Plasma



ha ha i had my elite for 6 mos and i never knew their was a door on remote lol
post #12333 of 14509
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Originally Posted by obxdiver View Post

That is very unfortunate.
I was hoping for a miracle I guess.

you and me both - still, thanks for the heads-up about the function. i have turned mine off.

i am exchanging my set with another from Magnolia at the end of this week - im keeping my fingers crossed but am not very optimistic.

i was thinking i would drop down to the HX950 if the next few Elites still had issues - but, i checked out the slides on my USB when i was in the store last week and the Sony on display also had some pretty notiecable banding (no discoloration though).

i may have to go the VT50 route, which is a shame because it just doesnt look quite as crisp to me as the Elite or the HX950 frown.gif
post #12334 of 14509
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Originally Posted by obxdiver View Post

I wonder if all the problems with green and pink bands are being caused by PS.
The 7 Elites that dzzz got and returned?
Did you ever turn off the Power Savings on any of them to see if the green bands went away?
on my 2 sets Power Save was turned OFF from beginning as 1st thing
So, its OFF and Green and Pink all over in gray pattern
post #12335 of 14509
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Originally Posted by obxdiver View Post

+1 wink.gifwink.gif


I don't want to go back to my buddies to start pulling up test patterns again.
I am done over there. He is now watching TV.
Plus, the USB port is very hard to get to at this point.

What you are afraid of?
If the set is so good than the rest of gray patterns will be as good as well, isn't it?

If you have no time or etc - I understand. And you don't want to play with not your TV or your friend don't - I understand as well.
post #12336 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

No, please no more tests. Looks great lets leave it at that wink.gifwink.gif
Yep, power save has no positive effects on over all picture quality.

Chris, how did you cherry pick this TV?
post #12337 of 14509
Just another Geek Squad Xalibration story:

They claim that you do no need to calibrate or "touch" CMS for proper calibration. How can that be true? IS the color managment system under ISF not the only way?
post #12338 of 14509
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Originally Posted by mikek753 View Post

What you are afraid of?
If the set is so good than the rest of gray patterns will be as good as well, isn't it?

If you have no time or etc - I understand. And you don't want to play with not your TV or your friend don't - I understand as well.

actually, i can see where he is coming from.

is the goal to pass 'tests' or to enjoy a fantastic picture from your new tv?

in fact, having run tests succesfully at least once, i would be more than happy if it was my tv to never run another test on it!
post #12339 of 14509
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Originally Posted by mikek753 View Post

What you are afraid of?
If the set is so good than the rest of gray patterns will be as good as well, isn't it?

If you have no time or etc - I understand. And you don't want to play with not your TV or your friend don't - I understand as well.

Afraid of ???
1.) Its not my TV dude.
2.) Its a 30 minute drive to his house.
3.) The TV is in its final place and the USB port is very hard to get at.
post #12340 of 14509
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Originally Posted by obxdiver View Post

Afraid of ???
1.) Its not my TV dude.
2.) Its a 30 minute drive to his house.
3.) The TV is in its final place and the USB port is very hard to get at.

Hi,

Thanks for the answer. Pls. don't take me wrong.
np - I understand as I stated before.

Thanks for the info anyway.
I just so jealous, as I don't have such uniformity, that's all.
post #12341 of 14509
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Originally Posted by mccunersxve View Post

I can't decide what to do. With Sharp possibly stopping production I don't know if I should just keep my Nov. 2012 build 60 inch, take it back and get a Nov. build 70 inch (1k difference) or get the Sony 65HX950. After reading about all of the Nov. build problems I am just not sure. I think Illinois is out of 70 and Best Buy would have to bring in one from another state. Wish I knew the best option but can't make up my mind.6.gif

if you have enough $$$ - just order Elite and Sony 950 and use it for a week.
Pick keeper and send back looser.

BTW - I can't as my ccard almost maxed out. I don't have corp $100k card or etc, but plain $8k limit on one and even less on another.
post #12342 of 14509
I'm still occasionally getting these strong blue anomalies. It is rare but it occurs anytime there is a reflection of a strong blue light source and its somewhat overpowering. Im' using Standard and local dimming on and CNET's settings. The blue reflection is showing up in all modes including THX. I also have a pic below from the other time it showed up in the Tom Hanks movie. However, most of the problem in that movie was alleviated by putting it in THX mode. Have any of you guys ever seen this? I read somewhere that Sharp's white led's are actually a combination of blue and yellow. However, if the yellow is degraded, the blue part of the led becomes overpowering. I still have 3 days left to return the set and am questioning keeping it if none of you have ever experienced this (below):






Edited by kdog750 - 1/27/13 at 6:50pm
post #12343 of 14509
First thing I do I turn off "intelligent and smart" features off including OPC and power savings. It has no impact at all on discoloration. The only thing that makes difference in the green intensity is wether LD is on or Advanced Low. With Advanced Low green is subtle while with LD On it is fully visible. I am impressed by the white screen that pictured, it is absolutely perfect, if I had a screen like I would never bother to exchange, truly stellar screen. Did you photo it in LD On or Advanced Low? If Advanced Low then I am not suprised. Your friend must play lottery every month, he will win for sure.


@Chris Cleveland Plasma: Did Chris check the set before shipping?

I would not hesitate to order from Chris if he checks the sets and ships the one like this.

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Originally Posted by obxdiver View Post

I wonder if all the problems with green and pink bands are being caused by PS.
The 7 Elites that dzzz got and returned?
Did you ever turn off the Power Savings on any of them to see if the green bands went away?

Edited by dvzzz - 1/27/13 at 7:38pm
post #12344 of 14509
I was told that store in Gurnee in Illinois has a 70" that is sealed from Nov2012 build. You may want to call them and check. However, if I were you, I would stay away from Illinois units.
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Originally Posted by mccunersxve View Post

I can't decide what to do. With Sharp possibly stopping production I don't know if I should just keep my Nov. 2012 build 60 inch, take it back and get a Nov. build 70 inch (1k difference) or get the Sony 65HX950. After reading about all of the Nov. build problems I am just not sure. I think Illinois is out of 70 and Best Buy would have to bring in one from another state. Wish I knew the best option but can't make up my mind.6.gif
post #12345 of 14509
Kdog, those pix are just scary. I've never seen that ugly blue highlighting in even the slightest degree. Couple that with the endless pages in this thread where I can't ever recall people bringing this up or reporting it. Something is really wrong. frown.gif
post #12346 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Kdog, those pix are just scary. I've never seen that ugly blue highlighting in even the slightest degree. Couple that with the endless pages in this thread where I can't ever recall people bringing this up or reporting it. Something is really wrong. frown.gif

alright, that's all I needed to hear. I will be exchanging it then.
post #12347 of 14509
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Originally Posted by kdog750 View Post

alright, that's all I needed to hear. I will be exchanging it then.

if you provide the link to any youtube that you see blue artifacts on your TV I'll validate on main and report back.
Some content that is public.
post #12348 of 14509
definitely something wrong with me...despite seeing all the issues on here and despite having issues with the 60" i ordered, i just ordered a 70" to try and replace it with.

i guess i just cant give up how good the picture can be and holding out hope that somehow, some way, i get a set that doesnt have problems as visible as the one i have now!
post #12349 of 14509
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Originally Posted by dvzzz View Post

First thing I do I turn off "intelligent and smart" features off including OPC and power savings. It has no impact at all on discoloration. The only thing that makes difference in the green intensity is wether LD is on or Advanced Low. With Advanced Low green is subtle while with LD On it is fully visible. I am impressed by the white screen that pictured, it is absolutely perfect, if I had a screen like I would never bother to exchange, truly stellar screen. Did you photo it in LD On or Advanced Low? If Advanced Low then I am not suprised.
I had just finished entering in N3W813's settings after figuring out how to turn off PS.
So that picture was with LD-ON.
post #12350 of 14509
N3W813 - your settings are excellent. I tried CNET first and then yours; the pop I get with yours is just amazing. You said something before that you are not a pro so what did you use to get to these settings?

Another question I have is on 3D glasses for kids - any good brand out there? I did not see Sharp has any for kids.
post #12351 of 14509
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Originally Posted by sjchmura View Post

Just another Geek Squad Xalibration story:

They claim that you do no need to calibrate or "touch" CMS for proper calibration. How can that be true? IS the color managment system under ISF not the only way?

All the modes have a CMS available although I think ISF has more granularity. If they are saying they don't need to use the CMS in THX (for example) that is BS. If you paid for this I would get my money back.
post #12352 of 14509
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by mlmadmax View Post

Hello everybody,

Got my 60 inch elite a little over a week ago on a warranty exchange from my old Samsung 950 55 inch tv. I really loved my old 950 as it was one of the first full local dimming LED TVs and had a great picture.
I originally tried a 65 inch 8000 series Samsung but found the blacks to be under par and the Magnolia salesman told me about the Elite.

I am very happy with all aspects of my elite but there is a deal breaker going on with me right now, I have the flashing pulsing issue with this TV.

This is what happens to my TV,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhPF5xufXiw

Would other elite 60 owners consider this to be acceptable and one of this TVs flaws.

I have my TV hooked up thru a denon avr 3808ci and I have an Oppo BDP-103 as a blu ray player.

This issue doesn't happen on all material making it really annoying but when it does happen it pulls me right out of the movie and ruins the experience for me.

When it is not doing it this tv has a great picture and would be the perfect tv if not for this flashing issue.

I am using thx picture mode and N3W813s picture setting (thank you by the way for taking the time)

I am thinking about trying to have magnolia swap this out with another one any advice would be great.

Thanks in advance,

Max

Looks like the normal pulsing issue we see from what I could tell in that video. This issue can be greatly reduced from a good calibration, mostly you will notice pulsing on walls in the background behind the actors for example inside a house or building anything large, static rather uniform looking in the background like a wall etc. Also note that pulsing shows up more often on poor source material as I don't see it very often on a good blue-ray movie. cool.gif

PS: Make sure you have all the power saving features turned off as this will give a rather similar effect that could be mistaken for pulsing.
post #12353 of 14509
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kdog750 View Post

I'm still occasionally getting these strong blue anomalies. It is rare but it occurs anytime there is a reflection of a strong blue light source and its somewhat overpowering. Im' using Standard and local dimming on and CNET's settings. The blue reflection is showing up in all modes including THX. I also have a pic below from the other time it showed up in the Tom Hanks movie. However, most of the problem in that movie was alleviated by putting it in THX mode. Have any of you guys ever seen this? I read somewhere that Sharp's white led's are actually a combination of blue and yellow. However, if the yellow is degraded, the blue part of the led becomes overpowering. I still have 3 days left to return the set and am questioning keeping it if none of you have ever experienced this (below):






This does not look normal to me and I've yet to experience anything like that within all of my viewing time since I first picked up my Elite back when it was released. If I were you I'd check the source material on another TV if you can to verify it's the Elite causing this issue, you might have a defective set on your hands. cool.gif
post #12354 of 14509
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Originally Posted by RadTech51 View Post

This does not look normal to me and I've yet to experience anything like that within all of my viewing time since I first picked up my Elite back when it was released. If I were you I'd check the source material on another TV if you can to verify it's the Elite causing this issue, you might have a defective set on your hands. cool.gif

Yes, I checked the Blu Ray disk on my Epson 8700 projector and it looks fine with no over saturation of blues. I am trying to exchange it at Best Buy but the manager is having trouble locating another 70". He's going to try to order one directly from Sharp. He did say there are no indications that the set is being discontinued though.
post #12355 of 14509
In a worst case Scenario Sharp would fix or replace that. I have never seen anything like that before. If you wanted to you could call sharp and start the process and see who gets a set to you first.......
post #12356 of 14509
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Originally Posted by nakenergy View Post

N3W813 - your settings are excellent. I tried CNET first and then yours; the pop I get with yours is just amazing. You said something before that you are not a pro so what did you use to get to these settings?

Yes, I'm not a 'professional' calibrator but I do know enough to know how to calibrate a TV. wink.gif

BUT, my settings may only get your set somewhat close to the standard. If you want your set to be more accurate, get a professional calibration. smile.gif

For my calibrations, I used a i1Display Pro colorimeter profiled against a i1Pro2 spectrophotometer with Calman v5 calibration software.
post #12357 of 14509
Well this is embarrassing. It turns out the pic of a singer was a bad source afterall. The pic from the Tom Hanks movie though is an example of artifacts that get produced under just the right conditions when any mode other than THX is used. That's pretty rare though.
post #12358 of 14509
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Originally Posted by N3W813 View Post

Yes, I'm not a 'professional' calibrator but I do know enough to know how to calibrate a TV. wink.gif

BUT, my settings may only get your set somewhat close to the standard. If you want your set to be more accurate, get a professional calibration. smile.gif

For my calibrations, I used a i1Display Pro colorimeter profiled against a i1Pro2 spectrophotometer with Calman v5 calibration software.

N3W813 i've been using ur settings over c nets since u posted them thanks their excellent. but i have two questions for u 1 do u use the same settings in thx 3d mode and 2 do you have any other settings for other modes you callibrated thanks
post #12359 of 14509
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Originally Posted by kdog750 View Post

Well this is embarrassing. It turns out the pic of a singer was a bad source afterall. The pic from the Tom Hanks movie though is an example of artifacts that get produced under just the right conditions when any mode other than THX is used. That's pretty rare though.

What's odd is that all the artifacts look essentially the same. So if you're saying the one pix that's still legit is a manifestation of the issue, it looks like the ones you ruled out due to poor source material have the same look to them. confused.gif
post #12360 of 14509
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Originally Posted by wolfdog1959 View Post

N3W813 i've been using ur settings over c nets since u posted them thanks their excellent. but i have two questions for u 1 do u use the same settings in thx 3d mode and 2 do you have any other settings for other modes you callibrated thanks

No, the settings I've provided only applies to 2D Movie THX mode, not 3D. I don't care for 3D, therefore never calibrated the 3D mode. tongue.gif

Movie THX is closest to the standard so that is the only mode I care about calibrating. The only other modes I've calibrated are ISF Day and Night modes, which can't be accessed until specific calibration software is used. (ie. ControlCal, Calman, etc.)
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