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post #12331 of 13284
1/27/13 at 8:12am
Hello can someone give me a link to software to test for dead pixels and the other slides to check for issues on the sets. I am going to look at a set today and want to load up the software on a flash drive so i can check the set before I buy it. I have been really liking these sets and following the issues so i just want to check the set and don't know where to get the slides/software. Thanks
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post #12332 of 13284
1/27/13 at 9:33am
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Originally Posted by mlmadmax View Post

I just did this and I swear it changed my picture for the better, I have yet to reproduce the flashing on my cable box and the image just seems crisper overall with less noise.

Man when this tv looks good it looks sooooooooooo good.

Hopefully either the flashing is gone or I don't see it anymore either way if that happens I will be happy:)

+1, My power saving was on as well. Picture looks better with it off.
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post #12333 of 13284
1/27/13 at 10:15am
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Great contribution obxdiver! I've had my power savings off from day one, but I don't think I ever made the association with the flickering. It does help explain why, with my settings, I was seeing virtually none. I think some thought I was either BS'ing or wasn't looking closely enough. I knew what the flickering looked like, since I was able to see it with the 'wrong' settings.

Ken, I never thought you were bsing for the record, as I know some Elite's had flickering more than others, and just figured you got a really good one. But I do think this power saving mode has eluded a lot of us (even long time) owners. I swear I thought I had all advanced processing off. After turning this power save off, my flickering went down so much that I think those folks who returned and settled for a lesser tv because of it, could be in fact be kicking themselves right now! That's how much it has helped at least with my set anyway! This one setting has made my picture brighter, even more skin tone color accurate, (with my settings) and now almost flicker free! Thank you obxdiver, THANK YOU!
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post #12334 of 13284
1/27/13 at 11:30am
It's interesting to note that even the Sharp techs and designers didn't know it was the power saving settings causing the flickering. I remember people addressing this problem with Sharp and the final verdict was that there was going to be no fix for it. You think they would have at least tested this feature out at the design level before producing it. They probably lost a lot of sales on returns when all you had to do is turn this off.
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post #12335 of 13284
1/27/13 at 11:40am
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It's interesting to note that even the Sharp techs and designers didn't know it was the power saving settings causing the flickering. I remember people addressing this problem with Sharp and the final verdict was that there was going to be no fix for it. You think they would have at least tested this feature out at the design level before producing it. They probably lost a lot of sales on returns when all
you had to do is turn this off.

My thoughts exactly! I've watched one of the biggest flickering shows (law and order), and while it does flicker ( very slightly), it just does not happen happen like it used to! It really is almost non existant now. I actually have to look, and wait for it now. I was happy with my set before, but now I'm even more blown away by this tv. That power saving mode really does hurt the picture a lot.
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post #12336 of 13284
1/27/13 at 12:40pm
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Originally Posted by obxdiver View Post

@N3W813:
Did you have PS on or off when you did your calibrations:

'Off' of course wink.gif First thing I do when I turn on a brand new set is to turn off all power and post processing settings biggrin.gif
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post #12337 of 13284
1/27/13 at 1:45pm
I wonder if all the problems with green and pink bands are being caused by PS.
The 7 Elites that dzzz got and returned?
Did you ever turn off the Power Savings on any of them to see if the green bands went away?
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post #12338 of 13284
1/27/13 at 1:46pm
For the year now that I have had my set I had always thought that "power saving mode" was turned off in OPC section. I never knew about being able to turn off the green leaf. Thanks. On another note prior to turning off the green leaf I VERY VERY RARELY ever saw the pulsing so I can't say how it's affected that issue. I agree though that a LOT of returns were due to the pulsing and it is sad to think that a lot of people settled for a lesser set because of it. Imagine all those ELITES sitting around somewhere with perfect uniformity.
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post #12339 of 13284
1/27/13 at 1:54pm
The environmentalist folks are going to hate me biggrin.gif
Look at all of those trees that are now being killed by us Elite owners who are turning off the Power Savings on our $7000 TV's

Luckily, we DO have the option on the Elite to turn it off.....future TV's may not have this.
Elite engineers obviously hid that button under this hidden door for a reason. rolleyes.gif
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post #12340 of 13284
1/27/13 at 1:56pm
turning off power saving does not seem to address the discoloration and banding issues that i see on my screen
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post #12341 of 13284
1/27/13 at 1:56pm
To those of you who have had a professional calibration, did your screen uniformity look any different afterward? I looked at mine with 109% white and I can't tell if my uniformity is poor or not. I just don't have enough experience at this and have never run a slide on another tv before to have any to gauge it against.

As an aside I turned off PS and when I played the slide it looks like I have a SLIGHT pinkish spot in my lower left. I can't detect it on normal viewing so I will probably just leave it.
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post #12342 of 13284
1/27/13 at 2:01pm
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Originally Posted by alebrady View Post

turning off power saving does not seem to address the discoloration and banding issues that i see on my screen
I wouldn't think it would, (my grey dse is still there) that said it does wonders for pulsing, and making the overall picture better.
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post #12343 of 13284
1/27/13 at 2:06pm
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turning off power saving does not seem to address the discoloration and banding issues that i see on my screen
That is very unfortunate.
I was hoping for a miracle I guess.
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post #12344 of 13284
1/27/13 at 2:27pm
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Originally Posted by obxdiver View Post

Thanks, but I think I found out why
I went back over to my buddies house to hook up his Darbee
While there, I kept noticing that green leaf beside the backlight setting in the picture settings menu, and a green leaf next to the input label in the upper right corner.
I knew my set did not show this, and figured out his power management was ON.
Both my set and his set have the same firmware version (latest ver.)
I could not change it in the Power Options menu because it was grayed out.
I finally remembered that the little door on the bottom of the remote opens to reveal more buttons.
Inside this hidden section of the remote, there is a "Power Savings" button
The button will not allow changes in THX Movie
I switched to just "Movie" mode, and hit the "power savings" button under the hidden door.
Wala...Power Savings OFF..All the green leaves also gone. BTW...There are 3 different settings.. Choose OFF
I don't want the Elite to save trees rolleyes.gif



Next, a did a reset of all picture settings (he was using CNET settings)
Next I entered your settings (posted above)
Now its perfect, just like my set !!
Either 10 hours of use fixed it, or the Power Management was doing it
Either way, the green tint is gone, and all skin tones are perfect

So, you guys should make sure your power savings is switched OFF

I pulled up the full white screen and the 50% gray again with the TV in its final resting place.
Again, I am still saying this Elite is perfect IN THX MOVIE
No green, no pinks.
Very very slight gray bands off to the right side.

Here is a picture of my buddies NOV2012 build of all white in THX Movie
TV purchased from Cleveland Plasma



ha ha i had my elite for 6 mos and i never knew their was a door on remote lol
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post #12345 of 13284
1/27/13 at 2:53pm
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Originally Posted by obxdiver View Post

That is very unfortunate.
I was hoping for a miracle I guess.

you and me both - still, thanks for the heads-up about the function. i have turned mine off.

i am exchanging my set with another from Magnolia at the end of this week - im keeping my fingers crossed but am not very optimistic.

i was thinking i would drop down to the HX950 if the next few Elites still had issues - but, i checked out the slides on my USB when i was in the store last week and the Sony on display also had some pretty notiecable banding (no discoloration though).

i may have to go the VT50 route, which is a shame because it just doesnt look quite as crisp to me as the Elite or the HX950 frown.gif
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post #12346 of 13284
1/27/13 at 2:56pm
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Originally Posted by obxdiver View Post

I wonder if all the problems with green and pink bands are being caused by PS.
The 7 Elites that dzzz got and returned?
Did you ever turn off the Power Savings on any of them to see if the green bands went away?
on my 2 sets Power Save was turned OFF from beginning as 1st thing
So, its OFF and Green and Pink all over in gray pattern
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post #12347 of 13284
1/27/13 at 3:02pm
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Originally Posted by obxdiver View Post

+1 wink.gifwink.gif


I don't want to go back to my buddies to start pulling up test patterns again.
I am done over there. He is now watching TV.
Plus, the USB port is very hard to get to at this point.

What you are afraid of?
If the set is so good than the rest of gray patterns will be as good as well, isn't it?

If you have no time or etc - I understand. And you don't want to play with not your TV or your friend don't - I understand as well.
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post #12348 of 13284
1/27/13 at 3:04pm
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

No, please no more tests. Looks great lets leave it at that wink.gifwink.gif
Yep, power save has no positive effects on over all picture quality.

Chris, how did you cherry pick this TV?
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post #12349 of 13284
1/27/13 at 4:16pm
Just another Geek Squad Xalibration story:

They claim that you do no need to calibrate or "touch" CMS for proper calibration. How can that be true? IS the color managment system under ISF not the only way?
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post #12350 of 13284
1/27/13 at 4:32pm
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Originally Posted by mikek753 View Post

What you are afraid of?
If the set is so good than the rest of gray patterns will be as good as well, isn't it?

If you have no time or etc - I understand. And you don't want to play with not your TV or your friend don't - I understand as well.

actually, i can see where he is coming from.

is the goal to pass 'tests' or to enjoy a fantastic picture from your new tv?

in fact, having run tests succesfully at least once, i would be more than happy if it was my tv to never run another test on it!
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post #12351 of 13284
1/27/13 at 4:41pm
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Originally Posted by mikek753 View Post

What you are afraid of?
If the set is so good than the rest of gray patterns will be as good as well, isn't it?

If you have no time or etc - I understand. And you don't want to play with not your TV or your friend don't - I understand as well.

Afraid of ???
1.) Its not my TV dude.
2.) Its a 30 minute drive to his house.
3.) The TV is in its final place and the USB port is very hard to get at.
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post #12352 of 13284
1/27/13 at 5:02pm
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Originally Posted by obxdiver View Post

Afraid of ???
1.) Its not my TV dude.
2.) Its a 30 minute drive to his house.
3.) The TV is in its final place and the USB port is very hard to get at.

Hi,

Thanks for the answer. Pls. don't take me wrong.
np - I understand as I stated before.

Thanks for the info anyway.
I just so jealous, as I don't have such uniformity, that's all.
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post #12353 of 13284
1/27/13 at 5:19pm
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Originally Posted by mccunersxve View Post

I can't decide what to do. With Sharp possibly stopping production I don't know if I should just keep my Nov. 2012 build 60 inch, take it back and get a Nov. build 70 inch (1k difference) or get the Sony 65HX950. After reading about all of the Nov. build problems I am just not sure. I think Illinois is out of 70 and Best Buy would have to bring in one from another state. Wish I knew the best option but can't make up my mind.6.gif

if you have enough $$$ - just order Elite and Sony 950 and use it for a week.
Pick keeper and send back looser.

BTW - I can't as my ccard almost maxed out. I don't have corp $100k card or etc, but plain $8k limit on one and even less on another.
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post #12354 of 13284
1/27/13 at 6:15pm
I'm still occasionally getting these strong blue anomalies. It is rare but it occurs anytime there is a reflection of a strong blue light source and its somewhat overpowering. Im' using Standard and local dimming on and CNET's settings. The blue reflection is showing up in all modes including THX. I also have a pic below from the other time it showed up in the Tom Hanks movie. However, most of the problem in that movie was alleviated by putting it in THX mode. Have any of you guys ever seen this? I read somewhere that Sharp's white led's are actually a combination of blue and yellow. However, if the yellow is degraded, the blue part of the led becomes overpowering. I still have 3 days left to return the set and am questioning keeping it if none of you have ever experienced this (below):






Edited by kdog750 - 1/27/13 at 6:50pm
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post #12355 of 13284
1/27/13 at 7:29pm
First thing I do I turn off "intelligent and smart" features off including OPC and power savings. It has no impact at all on discoloration. The only thing that makes difference in the green intensity is wether LD is on or Advanced Low. With Advanced Low green is subtle while with LD On it is fully visible. I am impressed by the white screen that pictured, it is absolutely perfect, if I had a screen like I would never bother to exchange, truly stellar screen. Did you photo it in LD On or Advanced Low? If Advanced Low then I am not suprised. Your friend must play lottery every month, he will win for sure.


@Chris Cleveland Plasma: Did Chris check the set before shipping?

I would not hesitate to order from Chris if he checks the sets and ships the one like this.

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Originally Posted by obxdiver View Post

I wonder if all the problems with green and pink bands are being caused by PS.
The 7 Elites that dzzz got and returned?
Did you ever turn off the Power Savings on any of them to see if the green bands went away?

Edited by dvzzz - 1/27/13 at 7:38pm
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post #12356 of 13284
1/27/13 at 7:41pm
I was told that store in Gurnee in Illinois has a 70" that is sealed from Nov2012 build. You may want to call them and check. However, if I were you, I would stay away from Illinois units.
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Originally Posted by mccunersxve View Post

I can't decide what to do. With Sharp possibly stopping production I don't know if I should just keep my Nov. 2012 build 60 inch, take it back and get a Nov. build 70 inch (1k difference) or get the Sony 65HX950. After reading about all of the Nov. build problems I am just not sure. I think Illinois is out of 70 and Best Buy would have to bring in one from another state. Wish I knew the best option but can't make up my mind.6.gif
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post #12357 of 13284
1/27/13 at 7:50pm
Kdog, those pix are just scary. I've never seen that ugly blue highlighting in even the slightest degree. Couple that with the endless pages in this thread where I can't ever recall people bringing this up or reporting it. Something is really wrong. frown.gif
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post #12358 of 13284
1/27/13 at 8:29pm
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Kdog, those pix are just scary. I've never seen that ugly blue highlighting in even the slightest degree. Couple that with the endless pages in this thread where I can't ever recall people bringing this up or reporting it. Something is really wrong. frown.gif

alright, that's all I needed to hear. I will be exchanging it then.
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post #12359 of 13284
1/27/13 at 8:41pm
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Originally Posted by kdog750 View Post

alright, that's all I needed to hear. I will be exchanging it then.

if you provide the link to any youtube that you see blue artifacts on your TV I'll validate on main and report back.
Some content that is public.
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post #12360 of 13284
1/27/13 at 9:22pm
definitely something wrong with me...despite seeing all the issues on here and despite having issues with the 60" i ordered, i just ordered a 70" to try and replace it with.

i guess i just cant give up how good the picture can be and holding out hope that somehow, some way, i get a set that doesnt have problems as visible as the one i have now!
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