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post #12361 of 14509
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Originally Posted by N3W813 View Post

No, the settings I've provided only applies to 2D Movie THX mode, not 3D. I don't care for 3D, therefore never calibrated the 3D mode. tongue.gif

Movie THX is closest to the standard so that is the only mode I care about calibrating. The only other modes I've calibrated are ISF Day and Night modes, which can't be accessed until specific calibration software is used. (ie. ControlCal, Calman, etc.)

Newbie, how does ISF calibrated look in relation to THX movie calibrated? Which do you find yourself watching the most? And for movies, HD tv or games?
post #12362 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Sick Mother View Post

Newbie, how does ISF calibrated look in relation to THX movie calibrated? Which do you find yourself watching the most? And for movies, HD tv or games?

Very similar, my ISF Night mode looks the same as Movie THX after calibration. The settings used in the ISF modes are in different scale compared to the User accessible modes.

I ONLY use ISF Day and Night modes. ISF Day from 8AM to 5PM then it switches to ISF Night. Settings for ISF Day is exactly the same as ISF Night mode except for brightness, which I increased a bit for better shadow detail for a very brightly lit room during day time, and I've set the IVC mode to Advanced Low. ISF Night IVC setting is set to Local Dimming On.

I have a scheduled program that automatically changes the mode of the Elite on the hour depending on the time via network. smile.gif
post #12363 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

What's odd is that all the artifacts look essentially the same. So if you're saying the one pix that's still legit is a manifestation of the issue, it looks like the ones you ruled out due to poor source material have the same look to them. confused.gif

This is that concert viewing the source on my Epson 8700 projector. As you can see, the blues are also hideously over saturated. I suppose that's just how they filmed the concert on ATX (HD NET). Probably some attempt at an artistic "lens flare" or something.




And this is Chapter 11 of "Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close" on the Elite with THX and local dimming on. It still looks saturated because its a cell phone pic but in real life it looks completely natural. This is the only scene out of many movies where I've seen this phenomenon. It only manifests itself in this one scene if I move out of THX mode into movie,standard, or higher modes.


Edited by kdog750 - 1/28/13 at 3:17pm
post #12364 of 14509
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Originally Posted by N3W813 View Post

Very similar, my ISF Night mode looks the same as Movie THX after calibration. The settings used in the ISF modes are in different scale compared to the User accessible modes.

I ONLY use ISF Day and Night modes. ISF Day from 8AM to 5PM then it switches to ISF Night. Settings for ISF Day is exactly the same as ISF Night mode except for brightness, which I increased a bit for better shadow detail for a very brightly lit room during day time, and I've set the IVC mode to Advanced Low. ISF Night IVC setting is set to Local Dimming On.

I have a scheduled program that automatically changes the mode of the Elite on the hour depending on the time via network. smile.gif

Newbie, could you explain the program a bit more please?
post #12365 of 14509
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Originally Posted by N3W813 View Post

Yes, I'm not a 'professional' calibrator but I do know enough to know how to calibrate a TV. wink.gif

BUT, my settings may only get your set somewhat close to the standard. If you want your set to be more accurate, get a professional calibration. smile.gif

For my calibrations, I used a i1Display Pro colorimeter profiled against a i1Pro2 spectrophotometer with Calman v5 calibration software.

N3W813,

Any chance you can post your setting again? (Looked back to the high 300's but didn't see them)

Thanks
post #12366 of 14509
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Originally Posted by timbersbimbers View Post

N3W813,

Any chance you can post your setting again? (Looked back to the high 300's but didn't see them)

Thanks

look under his last post and click on link or go to page 384 their in the middle of the page
post #12367 of 14509
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Originally Posted by N3W813 View Post

Very similar, my ISF Night mode looks the same as Movie THX after calibration. The settings used in the ISF modes are in different scale compared to the User accessible modes.

I ONLY use ISF Day and Night modes. ISF Day from 8AM to 5PM then it switches to ISF Night. Settings for ISF Day is exactly the same as ISF Night mode except for brightness, which I increased a bit for better shadow detail for a very brightly lit room during day time, and I've set the IVC mode to Advanced Low. ISF Night IVC setting is set to Local Dimming On.

I have a scheduled program that automatically changes the mode of the Elite on the hour depending on the time via network. smile.gif

+1

Calibrated THX Movie and THX 3D movies are both comparable to ISF modes on my Elite as well. I mainly use ISF modes but use calibrated THX movie mode for Netflix, USB movies, etc.
post #12368 of 14509
After much reading I finally pulled the trigger on a 70" elite. It was delivered yesterday and set up late last night (with N3W813's settings), so I haven't spent much time watching it. But I did load up the break-in slides and the screen looked uniform to me, but my eyes may not be as sensitive to the various issues as some of you other guys (this is my first high-end premium TV, it is replacing a 60" Sony LCD projection LCOS TV).
It is a Nov-12 build and I don't see any pink or green blotches on a white or gray screen, so that is good enough for me. And no dead pixels either.

The HDMI cables that I was using with my 7 year old Sony are pretty old and thick (heavy) and I am afraid that they will put too much strain on the Elites HDMI plugs (since they plug in horizontally instead of hanging straight down).

What do you guys think of these cables:
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10255&cs_id=1025503&p_id=9890&seq=1&format=2#description

They have a chip at each end that is supposed to preserve the signal quality over such a thin cable. Do you think this would cause any issues with lag when gaming on a PS3?
And if these cables aren't recommended, could somebody please point me in the right direction.
Thanks to everyone who has contributed so much valuable information to this thread, I love this TV.
post #12369 of 14509
Regarding the Nov builds. Are the problems people are experiencing with banding and DSE "fixed" by turning off the power save mode? Is there a consensus there is a problem with the Nov 12 batch? Has anyone tried the power save option and it fixed the issues they are having?

Before I take the plunge I want to make sure there are not any issues with the current batch.

-Brian
post #12370 of 14509
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Originally Posted by nutsfu View Post


The HDMI cables that I was using with my 7 year old Sony are pretty old and thick (heavy) and I am afraid that they will put too much strain on the Elites HDMI plugs (since they plug in horizontally instead of hanging straight down).

What do you guys think of these cables:
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10255&cs_id=1025503&p_id=9890&seq=1&format=2#description

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I use my old cable that was connected to former Sony LCD and don't have any issues with cable even for 3D that suppose to use more vs 2D.
I also got from monoprice another cable that works just fine #9476 15ft 32AWG Mini DisplayPort to HDMI® w/Audio Cable - White without chip
Unless you want upgrade I don't see any reason your old cable needs replacement.
post #12371 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Bghead8che View Post

Regarding the Nov builds. Are the problems people are experiencing with banding and DSE "fixed" by turning off the power save mode? Is there a consensus there is a problem with the Nov 12 batch? Has anyone tried the power save option and it fixed the issues they are having?

Before I take the plunge I want to make sure there are not any issues with the current batch.

-Brian

Power Save mode was related to pulsing color, not DSE.
post #12372 of 14509
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Originally Posted by nutsfu View Post

After much reading I finally pulled the trigger on a 70" elite. It was delivered yesterday and set up late last night (with N3W813's settings), so I haven't spent much time watching it. But I did load up the break-in slides and the screen looked uniform to me, but my eyes may not be as sensitive to the various issues as some of you other guys (this is my first high-end premium TV, it is replacing a 60" Sony LCD projection LCOS TV).
It is a Nov-12 build and I don't see any pink or green blotches on a white or gray screen, so that is good enough for me. And no dead pixels either.

The HDMI cables that I was using with my 7 year old Sony are pretty old and thick (heavy) and I am afraid that they will put too much strain on the Elites HDMI plugs (since they plug in horizontally instead of hanging straight down).

What do you guys think of these cables:
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10255&cs_id=1025503&p_id=9890&seq=1&format=2#description

They have a chip at each end that is supposed to preserve the signal quality over such a thin cable. Do you think this would cause any issues with lag when gaming on a PS3?
And if these cables aren't recommended, could somebody please point me in the right direction.
Thanks to everyone who has contributed so much valuable information to this thread, I love this TV.

any chance you purchased from magnolia/BB?

at this point, im wondering if it is a batch of nov builds that they ended up with that have issues
post #12373 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Bghead8che View Post

Regarding the Nov builds. Are the problems people are experiencing with banding and DSE "fixed" by turning off the power save mode? Is there a consensus there is a problem with the Nov 12 batch? Has anyone tried the power save option and it fixed the issues they are having?

Before I take the plunge I want to make sure there are not any issues with the current batch.

-Brian
There are issues with every batch produced. Name a model, brand TV, name the build month, or serial number ect ect and you will have issues of some kind. You can try to prevent it any way you like, not going to happen. Every set is made by a human, there for creating issues of some kind.
post #12374 of 14509
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Originally Posted by nutsfu View Post


What do you guys think of these cables:
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10255&cs_id=1025503&p_id=9890&seq=1&format=2#description

They have a chip at each end that is supposed to preserve the signal quality over such a thin cable. Do you think this would cause any issues with lag when gaming on a PS3?
And if these cables aren't recommended, could somebody please point me in the right direction.
Thanks to everyone who has contributed so much valuable information to this thread, I love this TV.

Any Monoprice cable is fine. They all pass HDMI fully.

It is impossible that any existing cable can cause lag when gaming.
post #12375 of 14509
Ok guys got to pull the trigger on an 70 inch elite that's 6 months old or a 65 vt 50. I love the picture on the elite but as I watch it it begins to look " cartoony" to me at certain times. I am also worried about fast moving thing like sports and movies with a lot of action. Are there settings to make it so I don't see it or am I just used to my Kuro plasma so that's why I am seeing it. The plasma having the faster refresh rate. What is the opinion on what tv is the one to buy. I know they are both going to have there,own issues but I am not sure which one to choose.
post #12376 of 14509
My replacement set should arrive at my local Magnolia tomorrow. It's a good thing I'm having it replace because now my set has another issue. Only 3 weeks old and now having problems with my set receiving IR signals from the original remote. Even my harmony 900 was working flawlessly. And now it doesn't even respond to it. Anyone had this problem before?
post #12377 of 14509
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Originally Posted by bziggy View Post

Ok guys got to pull the trigger on an 70 inch elite that's 6 months old or a 65 vt 50. I love the picture on the elite but as I watch it it begins to look " cartoony" to me at certain times. I am also worried about fast moving thing like sports and movies with a lot of action. Are there settings to make it so I don't see it or am I just used to my Kuro plasma so that's why I am seeing it. The plasma having the faster refresh rate. What is the opinion on what tv is the one to buy. I know they are both going to have there,own issues but I am not sure which one to choose.

A properly calibrated Elite should look almost identical to a properly calibrated Kuro. I had both (still have the Elite) and aside from the color cyan, colors looked essentially the same.

If you're colors look cartoony at times, assuming it's not in the source, then your settings are not correct.

As for motion, most owners have no issues at all...again with the proper settings.
post #12378 of 14509
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Originally Posted by rhed View Post

My replacement set should arrive at my local Magnolia tomorrow. It's a good thing I'm having it replace because now my set has another issue. Only 3 weeks old and now having problems with my set receiving IR signals from the original remote. Even my harmony 900 was working flawlessly. And now it doesn't even respond to it. Anyone had this problem before?

That's been a documented issue with a number of the 70s. For some reason it doesn't seem to impact the 60s.
post #12379 of 14509
have the 60's proven to be more reliable (based on reports here) than the 70"? or is it that most owners posting here have a 70" and are relating their problems?
post #12380 of 14509
I'd say the latter. My 70 gets 3x the use compared to my 60 and still no issues with either.
post #12381 of 14509
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Originally Posted by alebrady View Post

r
any chance you purchased from magnolia/BB?

at this point, im wondering if it is a batch of nov builds that they ended up with that have issues

Yes I did purchase it from a BB Magnolia store.
post #12382 of 14509
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nutsfu View Post

After much reading I finally pulled the trigger on a 70" elite. It was delivered yesterday and set up late last night (with N3W813's settings), so I haven't spent much time watching it. But I did load up the break-in slides and the screen looked uniform to me, but my eyes may not be as sensitive to the various issues as some of you other guys (this is my first high-end premium TV, it is replacing a 60" Sony LCD projection LCOS TV).
It is a Nov-12 build and I don't see any pink or green blotches on a white or gray screen, so that is good enough for me. And no dead pixels either.

The HDMI cables that I was using with my 7 year old Sony are pretty old and thick (heavy) and I am afraid that they will put too much strain on the Elites HDMI plugs (since they plug in horizontally instead of hanging straight down).

What do you guys think of these cables:
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10255&cs_id=1025503&p_id=9890&seq=1&format=2#description

They have a chip at each end that is supposed to preserve the signal quality over such a thin cable. Do you think this would cause any issues with lag when gaming on a PS3?
And if these cables aren't recommended, could somebody please point me in the right direction.
Thanks to everyone who has contributed so much valuable information to this thread, I love this TV.

Grats on your 70'' Elite and welcome to the Elite club. HDMI cable quality and recommendations is a very controversial topic and I do not wish to open up a debate on this topic here so I will only say this. Try out both for yourself and see if it makes a difference for you. As for myself I currently use the Vodka level HDMI cables through Magnolia Video as they are coated in silver allowing for smoother flow of the electrons over the wire. I just couldn't bring myself to use the cheep Mono-price HDMI cables on a display of this caliber but you may be fine with them check it out for yourself. cool.gif
post #12383 of 14509
Thanks for the advise on the HDMI cables, my main concern is that my entertainment rack is to the right of the TV, while the HDMI jacks are on the left of the TV facing right.

So I have a heavy HDMI cable running from my cable box, located to the right of the TV at the top level of the entertainment rack to the TV. The cable is suspended in mid-air and has to make u-turn to plug into the TV's HDMI jack, putting pressure on the jacks at both ends (TV and cable box). My old TV had its jacks in the center so the cable length and weight weren't and issue. I'll just order some longer cables and fix this asap.

I received a PM asking for pictures, so I guess I’ll just post them here just in case anybody else is curious.
My apologies for the picture quality but my old point-and-shoot camera or my cell phone weren’t doing a very good job at getting accurate pictures of what you actually see in person.

Since the test patterns are actually videos, the camera was picking up rapid moving horizontal bands, which do not appear in actual viewing


.

Those lighter horizontal bands that appear at about the center of the screen are actually how the entire screen looks.

I also tried with my phone but again wasn't able to get an accurate picture.



There are no horizontal bands in actual in-person viewing, and the screen isn't green at both edges.

There is some very slight DSE, the pictures (due to the poor camera/cell phone) make it look much worse than it really is in person. I can just barely see it person, and I haven't noticed it while viewing actual content.

I am very satisfied with this TV.
post #12384 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Sick Mother View Post

Newbie, could you explain the program a bit more please?

Repost...

Some members have shown some interest in the program, so here it is....

From Readme.txt (Click to show)
Purpose:
SetSharpAVMode.exe is a Windows 32-bit program that can set the AV Mode on a Sharp television with IP Control enabled.
The program was written with AutoIt (http://www.autoitscript.com/site/autoit/)

Set up:
Please refer to the TV's owner's manual to enable IP Control. Do not enter any settings for 'ID' and 'Password'.
For best reliability, please either set a static IP or set a DHCP reservation (if supported by your DHCP service) for the TV.

Usage:
Please double-click on the file for usage info.




*Notes
  • The help message box will be displayed if the command line parameters are not entered correctly.
  • This tool will NOT enable ISF Day and ISF Night modes. Those modes are only available if an ISF calibrator has enabled them.
  • After a 20 second timeout, an error message box will be displayed if the TV cannot be contacted or the AV Mode parameter is incorrect or unavailable.


Why did I create this tool? If you have a Windows box that is running 24/7 like me, you can schedule the program to run at various times to set different modes. I have the program scheduled to run every hour from 8AM to 6PM to set ISF Day mode and ISF Night mode from 6PM on. smile.gif

If you run into issues, you can PM me directly. Thanks.

SetSharpAVMode.zip 351k .zip file
MD5 Checksum:
c026f830a313a47b582269fe8a987777
post #12385 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

That's been a documented issue with a number of the 70s. For some reason it doesn't seem to impact the 60s.


Ken.. Could it be a problem with using a different universal remote like the Harmony that maybe screwing up the IR circuit board on the set? I don't know just saying aloud.
post #12386 of 14509
Thread Starter 
Harmony remotes shouldn't be an issue, currently using the New Harmony One myself and just love it. cool.gif
post #12387 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

A properly calibrated Elite should look almost identical to a properly calibrated Kuro. I had both (still have the Elite) and aside from the color cyan, colors looked essentially the same.

If you're colors look cartoony at times, assuming it's not in the source, then your settings are not correct.

As for motion, most owners have no issues at all...again with the proper settings.

My set looked cartoony as well until I had it professionally calibrated. I liked the picture even still-- probably due to the impressive blacks and whites. Took a few days for my eyes to adjust. Now the colors are much more natural and picture is stunningly good with blu ray. Pretty darn good on DTV movie channels too.

Can't wait to watch my Niners at home in the Super Bowl. biggrin.gif
post #12388 of 14509
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Originally Posted by nutsfu View Post

Yes I did purchase it from a BB Magnolia store.

thanks - maybe there is still slim hope for me then!
post #12389 of 14509
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Originally Posted by RadTech51 View Post

Grats on your 70'' Elite and welcome to the Elite club. HDMI cable quality and recommendations is a very controversial topic and I do not wish to open up a debate on this topic here so I will only say this. Try out both for yourself and see if it makes a difference for you. As for myself I currently use the Vodka level HDMI cables through Magnolia Video as they are coated in silver allowing for smoother flow of the electrons over the wire. I just couldn't bring myself to use the cheep Mono-price HDMI cables on a display of this caliber but you may be fine with them check it out for yourself. cool.gif

Unfortunately, you opened the can of worms.

Digital signals are digital signals.

While HDMI allows for a certain amount of errors in the signal, any cable that passes the signal without visible errors is passing 100% of the digital signal. HDMI doesn't have a "degrade mode" where you see a picture without dropouts or "sparklies" that is less good than some other picture. It isn't analog and therefore there is no such thing.

If someone wants to use expensive (note my specific avoidance of the term "overpriced" here as to avoid a value judgment) Magnolia cables, they are welcome to do so.

That said, there is absolutely no need to do so. If you see the picture on your display without dropouts or "sparklies", your cable is moving 100% of the digital signal. This is not a topic that is open to debate any more than gravity is.
post #12390 of 14509
So true, 100% agreed.
I remember when Monster and a few others attempted to market "High End" printer, serial and other computer cables.
That didn't work out too well for them for the same reason you state.

Ahhhh, but what about interconnects and speaker wire........
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Originally Posted by rogo View Post

Unfortunately, you opened the can of worms.

Digital signals are digital signals.

While HDMI allows for a certain amount of errors in the signal, any cable that passes the signal without visible errors is passing 100% of the digital signal. HDMI doesn't have a "degrade mode" where you see a picture without dropouts or "sparklies" that is less good than some other picture. It isn't analog and therefore there is no such thing.

If someone wants to use expensive (note my specific avoidance of the term "overpriced" here as to avoid a value judgment) Magnolia cables, they are welcome to do so.

That said, there is absolutely no need to do so. If you see the picture on your display without dropouts or "sparklies", your cable is moving 100% of the digital signal. This is not a topic that is open to debate any more than gravity is.
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