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have the 60's proven to be more reliable (based on reports here) than the 70"? or is it that most owners posting here have a 70" and are relating their problems?
post #12392 of 13287
I'd say the latter. My 70 gets 3x the use compared to my 60 and still no issues with either.
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Originally Posted by alebrady View Post

r
any chance you purchased from magnolia/BB?

at this point, im wondering if it is a batch of nov builds that they ended up with that have issues

Yes I did purchase it from a BB Magnolia store.
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by nutsfu View Post

After much reading I finally pulled the trigger on a 70" elite. It was delivered yesterday and set up late last night (with N3W813's settings), so I haven't spent much time watching it. But I did load up the break-in slides and the screen looked uniform to me, but my eyes may not be as sensitive to the various issues as some of you other guys (this is my first high-end premium TV, it is replacing a 60" Sony LCD projection LCOS TV).
It is a Nov-12 build and I don't see any pink or green blotches on a white or gray screen, so that is good enough for me. And no dead pixels either.

The HDMI cables that I was using with my 7 year old Sony are pretty old and thick (heavy) and I am afraid that they will put too much strain on the Elites HDMI plugs (since they plug in horizontally instead of hanging straight down).

What do you guys think of these cables:
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10255&cs_id=1025503&p_id=9890&seq=1&format=2#description

They have a chip at each end that is supposed to preserve the signal quality over such a thin cable. Do you think this would cause any issues with lag when gaming on a PS3?
And if these cables aren't recommended, could somebody please point me in the right direction.
Thanks to everyone who has contributed so much valuable information to this thread, I love this TV.

Grats on your 70'' Elite and welcome to the Elite club. HDMI cable quality and recommendations is a very controversial topic and I do not wish to open up a debate on this topic here so I will only say this. Try out both for yourself and see if it makes a difference for you. As for myself I currently use the Vodka level HDMI cables through Magnolia Video as they are coated in silver allowing for smoother flow of the electrons over the wire. I just couldn't bring myself to use the cheep Mono-price HDMI cables on a display of this caliber but you may be fine with them check it out for yourself. cool.gif
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Thanks for the advise on the HDMI cables, my main concern is that my entertainment rack is to the right of the TV, while the HDMI jacks are on the left of the TV facing right.

So I have a heavy HDMI cable running from my cable box, located to the right of the TV at the top level of the entertainment rack to the TV. The cable is suspended in mid-air and has to make u-turn to plug into the TV's HDMI jack, putting pressure on the jacks at both ends (TV and cable box). My old TV had its jacks in the center so the cable length and weight weren't and issue. I'll just order some longer cables and fix this asap.

I received a PM asking for pictures, so I guess I’ll just post them here just in case anybody else is curious.
My apologies for the picture quality but my old point-and-shoot camera or my cell phone weren’t doing a very good job at getting accurate pictures of what you actually see in person.

Since the test patterns are actually videos, the camera was picking up rapid moving horizontal bands, which do not appear in actual viewing


.

Those lighter horizontal bands that appear at about the center of the screen are actually how the entire screen looks.

I also tried with my phone but again wasn't able to get an accurate picture.



There are no horizontal bands in actual in-person viewing, and the screen isn't green at both edges.

There is some very slight DSE, the pictures (due to the poor camera/cell phone) make it look much worse than it really is in person. I can just barely see it person, and I haven't noticed it while viewing actual content.

I am very satisfied with this TV.
post #12396 of 13287
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Originally Posted by Sick Mother View Post

Newbie, could you explain the program a bit more please?

Repost...

Some members have shown some interest in the program, so here it is....

From Readme.txt (Click to show)
Purpose:
SetSharpAVMode.exe is a Windows 32-bit program that can set the AV Mode on a Sharp television with IP Control enabled.
The program was written with AutoIt (http://www.autoitscript.com/site/autoit/)

Set up:
Please refer to the TV's owner's manual to enable IP Control. Do not enter any settings for 'ID' and 'Password'.
For best reliability, please either set a static IP or set a DHCP reservation (if supported by your DHCP service) for the TV.

Usage:
Please double-click on the file for usage info.




*Notes
  • The help message box will be displayed if the command line parameters are not entered correctly.
  • This tool will NOT enable ISF Day and ISF Night modes. Those modes are only available if an ISF calibrator has enabled them.
  • After a 20 second timeout, an error message box will be displayed if the TV cannot be contacted or the AV Mode parameter is incorrect or unavailable.


Why did I create this tool? If you have a Windows box that is running 24/7 like me, you can schedule the program to run at various times to set different modes. I have the program scheduled to run every hour from 8AM to 6PM to set ISF Day mode and ISF Night mode from 6PM on. smile.gif

If you run into issues, you can PM me directly. Thanks.

SetSharpAVMode.zip 351k .zip file
MD5 Checksum:
c026f830a313a47b582269fe8a987777
post #12397 of 13287
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

That's been a documented issue with a number of the 70s. For some reason it doesn't seem to impact the 60s.


Ken.. Could it be a problem with using a different universal remote like the Harmony that maybe screwing up the IR circuit board on the set? I don't know just saying aloud.
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Thread Starter 
Harmony remotes shouldn't be an issue, currently using the New Harmony One myself and just love it. cool.gif
post #12399 of 13287
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

A properly calibrated Elite should look almost identical to a properly calibrated Kuro. I had both (still have the Elite) and aside from the color cyan, colors looked essentially the same.

If you're colors look cartoony at times, assuming it's not in the source, then your settings are not correct.

As for motion, most owners have no issues at all...again with the proper settings.

My set looked cartoony as well until I had it professionally calibrated. I liked the picture even still-- probably due to the impressive blacks and whites. Took a few days for my eyes to adjust. Now the colors are much more natural and picture is stunningly good with blu ray. Pretty darn good on DTV movie channels too.

Can't wait to watch my Niners at home in the Super Bowl. biggrin.gif
post #12400 of 13287
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Originally Posted by nutsfu View Post

Yes I did purchase it from a BB Magnolia store.

thanks - maybe there is still slim hope for me then!
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Originally Posted by RadTech51 View Post

Grats on your 70'' Elite and welcome to the Elite club. HDMI cable quality and recommendations is a very controversial topic and I do not wish to open up a debate on this topic here so I will only say this. Try out both for yourself and see if it makes a difference for you. As for myself I currently use the Vodka level HDMI cables through Magnolia Video as they are coated in silver allowing for smoother flow of the electrons over the wire. I just couldn't bring myself to use the cheep Mono-price HDMI cables on a display of this caliber but you may be fine with them check it out for yourself. cool.gif

Unfortunately, you opened the can of worms.

Digital signals are digital signals.

While HDMI allows for a certain amount of errors in the signal, any cable that passes the signal without visible errors is passing 100% of the digital signal. HDMI doesn't have a "degrade mode" where you see a picture without dropouts or "sparklies" that is less good than some other picture. It isn't analog and therefore there is no such thing.

If someone wants to use expensive (note my specific avoidance of the term "overpriced" here as to avoid a value judgment) Magnolia cables, they are welcome to do so.

That said, there is absolutely no need to do so. If you see the picture on your display without dropouts or "sparklies", your cable is moving 100% of the digital signal. This is not a topic that is open to debate any more than gravity is.
post #12402 of 13287
So true, 100% agreed.
I remember when Monster and a few others attempted to market "High End" printer, serial and other computer cables.
That didn't work out too well for them for the same reason you state.

Ahhhh, but what about interconnects and speaker wire........
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Originally Posted by rogo View Post

Unfortunately, you opened the can of worms.

Digital signals are digital signals.

While HDMI allows for a certain amount of errors in the signal, any cable that passes the signal without visible errors is passing 100% of the digital signal. HDMI doesn't have a "degrade mode" where you see a picture without dropouts or "sparklies" that is less good than some other picture. It isn't analog and therefore there is no such thing.

If someone wants to use expensive (note my specific avoidance of the term "overpriced" here as to avoid a value judgment) Magnolia cables, they are welcome to do so.

That said, there is absolutely no need to do so. If you see the picture on your display without dropouts or "sparklies", your cable is moving 100% of the digital signal. This is not a topic that is open to debate any more than gravity is.
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Originally Posted by Browninggold View Post

They are on sale though http://m.bestbuy.com/m/e/product/detail.jsp?skuId=1267882&pid=1218245461668&tab=default

does it has built in projector or what? to justify such asking price ...
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WOW! It should be illegal sell an HDMI cable for that price. biggrin.gif
post #12406 of 13287
You got that right...illegal with over 1000% markup. I use Monoprice and no problems. BTW has anyone used the new Redmere HDMI from Monoprice?
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I just swapped all my cables out for the redmere monoprice cables and they work great and are very very thin.
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Thanks mlmadmax that's exactly what I want them for to "tidy" up my rack
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I just placed an order for 4 Redmere cables, glad to hear that others here are also using them.
post #12410 of 13287
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Originally Posted by 760rapta View Post

My set looked cartoony as well until I had it professionally calibrated. I liked the picture even still-- probably due to the impressive blacks and whites. Took a few days for my eyes to adjust. Now the colors are much more natural and picture is stunningly good with blu ray. Pretty darn good on DTV movie channels too.

Can't wait to watch my Niners at home in the Super Bowl. biggrin.gif

That's what I'm talking about! Our Niners are about to get #6!
post #12411 of 13287
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Originally Posted by Browninggold View Post

They are on sale though http://m.bestbuy.com/m/e/product/detail.jsp?skuId=1267882&pid=1218245461668&tab=default

i use firefold and mono price and they work great at a great price
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All my HDMI cables are from Monoprice. Lengths range from 3" to 30" feet, never had an issue with any of them. I also purchase a wide variety of other cables and products from them. Actually, I've bought so much stuff from them that I've been upgraded to a Gold member. biggrin.gif
post #12413 of 13287
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Originally Posted by mlmadmax View Post

I just swapped all my cables out for the redmere monoprice cables and they work great and are very very thin.

+1
post #12414 of 13287
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Originally Posted by mikek753 View Post

Power Save mode was related to pulsing color, not DSE.

OK, thanks. So as far as we know the Nov 12 builds still have DSE issues? Has anyone received/bought a Nov build w/out the DSE issue?

-Brian
post #12415 of 13287
The only data point is from a nov2012 set dropshipped by Sharp via Cleveland Plasma, pics that were posted show absolutely perfect uniformity. I have not see uniformity like that ever, it is to the point that if I were you and can afford CP's price points I would buy from Chris at Cleveland Plasma. You may get lucky and get the set like the one pictured. It sounds like because it is actually shipped by Sharp they may weed out bad serial numbers. I am so impressed with pictures provided by the fellow AVSer.
Edited by dvzzz - 1/29/13 at 9:48pm
post #12416 of 13287
I could use some help on a couple things, would anyone have a link on discrete codes for hdmi inputs for the elite for a harmony one remote and a link to buy some extra 3d glasses like the ones the tv comes with. I know they are expensive but for some reason I want the same kind and can't seem to find them.

Thanks in advance,

Max
post #12417 of 13287
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Originally Posted by rhed View Post

Ken.. Could it be a problem with using a different universal remote like the Harmony that maybe screwing up the IR circuit board on the set? I don't know just saying aloud.

I really doubt that could cause a failure. I'd also doubt that statistically there's a significant difference between the type of remote an owner of a 60 uses relative to a 70 owner. I use a Harmony with no issues.
post #12418 of 13287
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Originally Posted by rogo View Post

If you see the picture on your display without dropouts or "sparklies", your cable is moving 100% of the digital signal. This is not a topic that is open to debate any more than gravity is.

Although I agree with everything you say Mark, it doesn't explain my tendency to float to the ceiling every so often. wink.gif
post #12419 of 13287
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Originally Posted by dvzzz View Post

The only data point is from a nov2012 set dropshipped by Sharp via Cleveland Plasma, pics that were posted show absolutely perfect uniformity. I have not see uniformity like that ever, it is to the point that if I were you and can afford CP's price points I would buy from Chris at Cleveland Plasma. You may get lucky and get the set like the one pictured. It sounds like because it is actually shipped by Sharp they may weed out bad serial numbers. I am so impressed with pictures provided by the fellow AVSer.

there is also nutsfu's from magnolia
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Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rogo View Post

Unfortunately, you opened the can of worms.

Digital signals are digital signals.

While HDMI allows for a certain amount of errors in the signal, any cable that passes the signal without visible errors is passing 100% of the digital signal. HDMI doesn't have a "degrade mode" where you see a picture without dropouts or "sparklies" that is less good than some other picture. It isn't analog and therefore there is no such thing.

If someone wants to use expensive (note my specific avoidance of the term "overpriced" here as to avoid a value judgment) Magnolia cables, they are welcome to do so.

That said, there is absolutely no need to do so. If you see the picture on your display without dropouts or "sparklies", your cable is moving 100% of the digital signal. This is not a topic that is open to debate any more than gravity is.

I don't wish to turn this into an HDMI discussion thread, if you wish to discuss this further you can open up a new thread and I will be happy to discuss my Points View on the topic. cool.gif
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