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post #12421 of 13284
1/30/13 at 12:00pm
Sort of off topic, But does anyone here currently use DirecTV with their elite? If so How does it look? I currently have Comcast, and am not thrilled to say the least about its picture quality, and am thinking of going back to DirecTV. Mind you its been many years since I had them.
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post #12422 of 13284
1/30/13 at 12:52pm
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Originally Posted by GeneWildersHair View Post

Sort of off topic, But does anyone here currently use DirecTV with their elite? If so How does it look? I currently have Comcast, and am not thrilled to say the least about its picture quality, and am thinking of going back to DirecTV. Mind you its been many years since I had them.

I have both and prefer DirecTV: less artifacting and less outages with DirecTV

my home was hit hard by Superstorm Sandy and we had to evacuate for several weeks. Upon return, I rebooted DirecTV boxes and they worked perfectly: the slimline dish withstood hurricane force winds

Comcast was still out completely: when I tried to put in a service call, they said there were area wide outages and not to call back for service issues until service had been restored. Huh? that was 2 more weeks...

my opinion only
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post #12423 of 13284
1/30/13 at 2:04pm
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I have both and prefer DirecTV: less artifacting and less outages with DirecTV

my home was hit hard by Superstorm Sandy and we had to evacuate for several weeks. Upon return, I rebooted DirecTV boxes and they worked perfectly: the slimline dish withstood hurricane force winds

Comcast was still out completely: when I tried to put in a service call, they said there were area wide outages and not to call back for service issues until service had been restored. Huh? that was 2 more weeks...

my opinion only

That's good to hear, I've got a friend that switched to DirecTV and swears its hd feeds look a lot better, but his tv is only 50", and as we all know the bigger the tv, the more artifacts we see. If anyone else would like to chime in on their provider (especially if its DirecTV) on this tv, I would appreciate it.
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post #12424 of 13284
1/30/13 at 2:30pm
I have Direct TV and FIOS
I have been with Direct TV since 1999
I signed up with FIOS last year during Christmas and got a great deal.
I got the 35Mbit Internet with Phone and Ultimate HD TV with the best DVR they have.
I was planning on dumping Direct TV after I got FIOS installed
However, after I got FIOS installed, I noticed alot of pixelation on several (but not all) channels that I watch.
Comparing those same channels on Direct TV, it was far superior.
I was simply switching inputs on the Elite back and forth between the 2 DVR's
I worked with Verizon over and over again about the issue, and they could never solve it. They came over 3 times, admitted the Direct TV was far superior.
So, I kept my Direct TV and FIOS (2 year contract)
I have had FIOS now 1 year, and I still say Direct TV is much better on my 70" Elite
I like their DVR better too.
DirecTV is MPEG4 whereas FIOS is MPEG2

I do have plenty of HD tuners to use between the 2.
Also, you will get some outages with heavy thunderstorms with Direct TV.
I switch to FIOS when that happens, but very seldom does this happen.
2-3 times/year
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post #12425 of 13284
1/30/13 at 2:51pm
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I have Direct TV and FIOS
I have been with Direct TV since 1999
I signed up with FIOS last year during Christmas and got a great deal.
I got the 35Mbit Internet with Phone and Ultimate HD TV with the best DVR they have.
I was planning on dumping Direct TV after I got FIOS installed
However, after I got FIOS installed, I noticed alot of pixelation on several (but not all) channels that I watch.
Comparing those same channels on Direct TV, it was far superior.
I was simply switching inputs on the Elite back and forth between the 2 DVR's
I worked with Verizon over and over again about the issue, and they could never solve it. They came over 3 times, admitted the Direct TV was far superior.
So, I kept my Direct TV and FIOS (2 year contract)
I have had FIOS now 1 year, and I still say Direct TV is much better on my 70" Elite
I like their DVR better too.
DirecTV is MPEG4 whereas FIOS is MPEG2

I do have plenty of HD tuners to use between the 2.
Also, you will get some outages with heavy thunderstorms with Direct TV.
I switch to FIOS when that happens, but very seldom does this happen.
2-3 times/year

Thank you, I appreciate your input, I cannot wait to dump my comcast cable, its very pixelated looking at times, and most of all its really expensive!
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post #12426 of 13284
1/30/13 at 2:59pm
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Originally Posted by GeneWildersHair View Post

Thank you, I appreciate your input, I cannot wait to dump my comcast cable, its very pixelated looking at times, and most of all its really expensive!

Unfortunately, all TV service is expensive nowadays.
FIOS:
I have 1 HD DVR 1 SD Non DVR, Ultimate HD, 35/25 Internet and Digital phone and it $135/month

Direct TV:
2 HD DVR's, No movie channels, No sports channels, most all other channels, HD service $90/month (no charge for DVR service. I paid for lifetime back in 1999)
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post #12427 of 13284
1/30/13 at 3:55pm
I have both comcast and DTV and would say the DTV pq is FAR better than comcast especially on HD channels
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post #12428 of 13284
1/30/13 at 4:14pm
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Originally Posted by GeneWildersHair View Post

That's good to hear, I've got a friend that switched to DirecTV and swears its hd feeds look a lot better, but his tv is only 50", and as we all know the bigger the tv, the more artifacts we see. If anyone else would like to chime in on their provider (especially if its DirecTV) on this tv, I would appreciate it.
I have DirecTV and HD content looks really good on my 70" Elite. I was really surprised, as I expected it to suck. Of course if you pause you see the compression artifacts, but normal viewing far exceeded my expectations - have no complains and a fair amount of praise.
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post #12429 of 13284
1/30/13 at 4:30pm
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I have both comcast and DTV and would say the DTV pq is FAR better than comcast especially on HD channels
exactly what I wanted to hear. This is exactly what a buddy of mine keeps telling me when he comes over and watches my Comcast. I just needed to know if it just wasn't the difference in size of our tv's. He says he sees a lot more artifacts in my comcast hd channels, than his dish, and calls my picture "messy" looking. Well that is until I pop a blu ray on my 70, and he's instantly jealous. Lol
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post #12430 of 13284
1/30/13 at 5:13pm
Hello I am having a problem and want to know if other owners have it to. I am loosing the picture when watching the tv for a second some times longer. Or it flickers the picture. It is on any source I have going to the tv that it happens. I am hopping that it is just a setting but think it is something wrong with the set. It is erratic when it happens some times a few times in a row then other times it will not happen for a while and then happen again. Anyone who is havering the same problem let me know what they did. I am hopping that I will not have to replace the set with all the problems I am reading on the last November build sets. Thanks.
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post #12431 of 13284
1/30/13 at 9:36pm
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The only data point is from a nov2012 set dropshipped by Sharp via Cleveland Plasma, pics that were posted show absolutely perfect uniformity. I have not see uniformity like that ever, it is to the point that if I were you and can afford CP's price points I would buy from Chris at Cleveland Plasma. You may get lucky and get the set like the one pictured. It sounds like because it is actually shipped by Sharp they may weed out bad serial numbers. I am so impressed with pictures provided by the fellow AVSer.

Thanks DVZZZ,

I kinda doubt Sharp has the manpower to cherry pick and send out TVs but I could be wrong.

Were you the one that went through 3 (or more) sets? If you receive 3 plus sets in a row would that not indicate something that is inherent in the TVs, not necessarily a defect?

My biggest hesitation at this point is the new Panasonic ZT on the horizon and the overpriced $6K price tag. Sure would suck to spend $6K and have the Panasonic kick its ass for $4K (or less). That being said I think Panasonic plasmas are built like crap! My VT50 buzzes non-stop and I have at least a dozen different images burned in the set. I even have a 4:3 letterbox burned in after HUNDREDS of hours of use. I'm really hesitant about buying a Panasonic.

Can't decide what to do. $6K is a LOT.

If I order from CP I assume the set will be drop shipped from Sharp? Or sent out of inventory? Lastly, can Chris (or anyone) definately state wither or not these have been discontinued?

-Brian
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post #12432 of 13284
1/30/13 at 9:50pm
Tough to say if the entire batch is botched... I know that the one that Illinois Best Buy has gotten is all defective, I documented every unit of them and sent to Sharp but of course they did not even respond to #4, 5, 6. I went through 6 and they are all nowhere close to the ones that were posted with perfect uniformity. I suspect Sharp is checking before shipping given the fiasco of Nov2012 build. I also suspect that BB prices are probably low due to the offloaded batch from Sharp.

CP told me that Sharp or Sharp's distributor ships on CP's behalf and thus no returns are possible because of that. I will let CP comment on how they sell. I am pretty sure that none of the online vendors want my business at this point because I am the one who discovered the issue with green DSE and made them lose sales, but at the end of the day $6K TV should be just that reference quality like the one posted earlier with perfect uniformity.

I am in the same boat about VT50/ZT plus my room is not a dedicated HT room and plasma will fail in that room.

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Thanks DVZZZ,

I kinda doubt Sharp has the manpower to cherry pick and send out TVs but I could be wrong.

Were you the one that went through 3 (or more) sets? If you receive 3 plus sets in a row would that not indicate something that is inherent in the TVs, not necessarily a defect?

My biggest hesitation at this point is the new Panasonic ZT on the horizon and the overpriced $6K price tag. Sure would suck to spend $6K and have the Panasonic kick its ass for $4K (or less). That being said I think Panasonic plasmas are built like crap! My VT50 buzzes non-stop and I have at least a dozen different images burned in the set. I even have a 4:3 letterbox burned in after HUNDREDS of hours of use. I'm really hesitant about buying a Panasonic.

Can't decide what to do. $6K is a LOT.

If I order from CP I assume the set will be drop shipped from Sharp? Or sent out of inventory? Lastly, can Chris (or anyone) definately state wither or not these have been discontinued?

-Brian
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post #12433 of 13284
1/31/13 at 8:06am
Since flat panels have been invented, I bet if one where to grab 10 panels of each, set them up on a gray scale, not one single flat panel would pass and have perfect uniformity. I have not seen a tube TV with a grey scale up so I would hate to include those, but I bet I could. Everyone has there own agenda on what they want out of a product, and that is a OK. We all have some choices on this planet, why not use them. If the unit does not suite, move to another. In this case, there is not another or I think it would have been noted already.

Our units are shipped from various locations across the US, not from Sharp direct. Sharp would "probably" not do that for a dealer. I am hearing from venders that the unit is being discontinued now and the other half say they are not sure. I guess it comes down to, no one knows for sure. I mean 100%.
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post #12434 of 13284
1/31/13 at 8:15am
I am sorry, but what is this post saying? I afraid I lost the point of the post below? Please speak clearly. It is confusing with choices and etc. This is an open forum and let's be open.

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Since flat panels have been invented, I bet if one where to grab 10 panels of each, set them up on a gray scale, not one single flat panel would pass and have perfect uniformity. I have not seen a tube TV with a grey scale up so I would hate to include those, but I bet I could. Everyone has there own agenda on what they want out of a product, and that is a OK. We all have some choices on this planet, why not use them. If the unit does not suite, move to another. In this case, there is not another or I think it would have been noted already.

Our units are shipped from various locations across the US, not from Sharp direct. Sharp would "probably" not do that for a dealer. I am hearing from venders that the unit is being discontinued now and the other half say they are not sure. I guess it comes down to, no one knows for sure. I mean 100%.
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post #12435 of 13284
1/31/13 at 9:18am
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Originally Posted by dvzzz View Post

at the end of the day $6K TV should be just that reference quality like the one posted earlier with perfect uniformity.

Just having a conversation, thought I should put that quote in. Not sure how I can make it clearer, but I will try:

Since flat panels have been invented, I bet if one where to grab 10 panels of each, set them up on a gray scale, not one single flat panel would pass and have perfect uniformity. I have not seen a tube TV with a grey scale up so I would hate to include those, but I bet a tube TV would not pass a grey scale test perfectly either . Everyone has there own agenda on what they want out of a product, including TV's, and that is a OK. We all have choices on this planet including what TV to buy? If the unit does not suite, including tv's, move to different TV. In this case, there is not another TV that would fit all criteria's or I think it would have been noted already. Again, anyone can feel the way they want to about a TV or anything else. ( Making a choice does not make a person wrong or right. ) I guess the bottom line is there is no perfect TV being made right now by anyone, so there are no choices available in this sector.



Heck remember when people paid $20K for a 42" plasma. They are not even as good as the $400 units being sold now........
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post #12436 of 13284
1/31/13 at 9:35am
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Thank you, I appreciate your input, I cannot wait to dump my comcast cable, its very pixelated looking at times, and most of all its really expensive!

Few years back I also had very badly pixelated image from Comcast. It was difficult to reproduce on demand (my theory was temperature related as it happened more often in the evening when Comcast service is not available) and the ticket finally got escalated up their support chain (where they came over in the early evening to check). The problem turned up to be a faulty "differential amplifier" (that is what the tech told me, not sure what it does) they have on top of the phone pole. Once that is fixed, I have no more pixelated problems. Maybe this is something you can ask Comcast about.

Another possible cause for pixelated image is the disk in the DVR is having problems (e.g bad sectors). This phenomenon is pretty well know for Tivo.
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post #12437 of 13284
1/31/13 at 9:47am
My point is much simpler. Elites were produced with excellent uniformity in the past and even rare few Nov2012 sets have excellent uniformity. I guess you are saying it was pure luck that CP dropshipped that excellent unit.
What I am uncomfortable with is when we are being told that none of the screens are perfect and thus move on. Instead those of us who are determined just keep looking. Cooperating sellers like Best Buy are very keen to help because they first-hand witness all issues that I ran into and they do not mind involving Sharp to resolve. However instead of making it my problem once they sell, they deal with Sharp on the backend while offering me opportunity to find what I need. Do you think BestBuy would let me exchange so many times if they did not see the issue? I am glad I bought locally, because they can see every set.

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Just having a conversation, thought I should put that quote in. Not sure how I can make it clearer, but I will try:

Since flat panels have been invented, I bet if one where to grab 10 panels of each, set them up on a gray scale, not one single flat panel would pass and have perfect uniformity. I have not seen a tube TV with a grey scale up so I would hate to include those, but I bet a tube TV would not pass a grey scale test perfectly either . Everyone has there own agenda on what they want out of a product, including TV's, and that is a OK. We all have choices on this planet including what TV to buy? If the unit does not suite, including tv's, move to different TV. In this case, there is not another TV that would fit all criteria's or I think it would have been noted already. Again, anyone can feel the way they want to about a TV or anything else. ( Making a choice does not make a person wrong or right. ) I guess the bottom line is there is no perfect TV being made right now by anyone, so there are no choices available in this sector.



Heck remember when people paid $20K for a 42" plasma. They are not even as good as the $400 units being sold now........
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post #12438 of 13284
1/31/13 at 9:54am
Thread Starter 
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Heck remember when people paid $20K for a 42" plasma. They are not even as good as the $400 units being sold now........
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I suppose this is a lot like OLED right now. biggrin.gif
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post #12439 of 13284
1/31/13 at 10:30am
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

Since flat panels have been invented, I bet if one where to grab 10 panels of each, set them up on a gray scale, not one single flat panel would pass and have perfect uniformity. I have not seen a tube TV with a grey scale up so I would hate to include those, but I bet I could. Everyone has there own agenda on what they want out of a product, and that is a OK. .

I agree that no flat panel is perfect....but in Elite's case, it is DEFINITELY NOT OK. Sharp was able to produce panels without uniformity issues previously so why do we have to accept these faulty Nov12 units? I was watching winter X Games all last week and it was pretty horrible....green and pink patches all over the white snow........ frown.gif

If all of the Elites have had the same exact issue since the 1st production run, that's a different story.
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post #12440 of 13284
1/31/13 at 10:40am
I have been watching the price on this unit since it first came out. I just could not justify spending the money. I happened by my BB store yesterday and stumbled upon an open box PRO-70X5 unit with full warranty for well under 5K. Look forward to joining this discussion group.
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post #12441 of 13284
1/31/13 at 11:27am
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Sharp was able to produce panels without uniformity issues previously so why do we have to accept these faulty Nov12 units?
If all of the Elites have had the same exact issue since the 1st production run, that's a different story.
Now that I 100% agree with. I feel they have always been like this, no one took the time to look a set over like is being done now. Why do I feel this way? Every other LED ever made has issues of some kind, even the local dimming units. Why would this unit be any different? Just because it has an Elite logo? Even what some people say is the best set made, the Elite Kuro had "purple snake issues", which is a screen uniformity issue. Probably had other issues too that I can not remember.
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My point is much simpler. Elites were produced with excellent uniformity in the past
This is the whole problem, we would need to test 10 sets to know for sure, would we not ? A fact can not be based on a assumption. Just because no one posted about these issues in the past does not mean they did not have these issues.

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To each his own, their are many people happy with Nov 2012 builds and that is my only point. Not everyone who buys an Elite TV stops in to AVS, I know that is an impossible thought biggrin.gif

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I am just making some points here.........Why would I ? Because there are many visitors watching our conversation here and at times it seems that every TV made has an issue that rolls off the Assembly line. We all know that is not true. Then there is the issue that most consumers would never even see these types of issues, I think we could agree on that the general public would not see these issues either. Does it make it right, no. If someone is happy with there life and there TV, that is a great thing though;)

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post #12442 of 13284
1/31/13 at 12:50pm
Hey guys, still enjoying my November '12 70". Was wondering if someone could tell me if those units have the "best" or most up-to-date firmware. I'm not in front of my set ATM to see what i have but maybe one of you could tell me what it is. Thanks.
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post #12443 of 13284
1/31/13 at 12:54pm
I'm fairly certain that if this problem existed on older models someone would have seen it. I mean come on man huge green and pink blobs on a full white screen! That is something NO ONE should have to live with. I agree that every set has its issues but if you can't watch some of your favorite sports /movies because of green and pink across the screen that's just ridiculous. I for one am a little annoyed sometimes by the slight DSE my 70 has (something I can definitely live with) and that's just a slight greyish color I would blow a fuse if that greyish turned to green or pink, or both.
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post #12444 of 13284
1/31/13 at 1:06pm
i agree, the green and pink blobs probably not..

i would bet though that many of the older builds also have at least light banding - i have seen that on grey screen tests on every tv i tested at BB (Sony HX950, Elite 60/70, VT50, Samsung - all of them had pattern banding on the screen). i dont think this is a recent phenomenon only. it would be an illogical conclusion to reach
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post #12445 of 13284
1/31/13 at 1:53pm
I also see the banding. But definitely no green or pink.
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post #12446 of 13284
1/31/13 at 2:19pm
So far here we got 2 reports of good uniform 70" from Nov 12 batch
Maybe Nov 12 production was also split in sub batches that later sets are free from DSE? Make any sense?
Tomorrow I'll have GeekSquad calibrator coming in for "ISF" calibration, so I'll ask pro opinion about uniformity of my set that has green and pink DSE.
Those are visible on gray and also when any panning of snow or ice.

Anyone else got new 70" with good uniformity?
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post #12447 of 13284
1/31/13 at 3:56pm
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i agree, the green and pink blobs probably not..

i would bet though that many of the older builds also have at least light banding - i have seen that on grey screen tests on every tv i tested at BB (Sony HX950, Elite 60/70, VT50, Samsung - all of them had pattern banding on the screen). i dont think this is a recent phenomenon only. it would be an illogical conclusion to reach


i have an older build 70 with a solid white screen no pink or green blobs, the only banding/dse i see is during camera pans on a light backround ie a hockey game and then it is very slight wife doesn't even see it
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post #12448 of 13284
1/31/13 at 3:56pm
BB is giving free calibrations on the Elite after 30 days. How is BB with calibrations?

Performance on my 60" is great but agree it can have a the mentioned "cartoonish" look at times. Will be trying N3W813 settings (listed on pg 384) for that. And then maybe BB free calibration.

Is BB calibration worth having for free?

Would it help if I ask they do something specific, like say only do the grayscale? (I'm not an expert on this)
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post #12449 of 13284
1/31/13 at 4:18pm
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BB is giving free calibrations on the Elite after 30 days. How is BB with calibrations?

Performance on my 60" is great but agree it can have a the mentioned "cartoonish" look at times. Will be trying N3W813 settings (listed on pg 384) for that. And then maybe BB free calibration.

Is BB calibration worth having for free?

Would it help if I ask they do something specific, like say only do the grayscale? (I'm not an expert on this)

there will be some variation throughout the country of course, but generally it's about as good as giving my two year old the equipment and telling her to have at it.biggrin.gif
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1/31/13 at 4:43pm
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there will be some variation throughout the country of course, but generally it's about as good as giving my two year old the equipment and telling her to have at it.biggrin.gif

I know you're exaggerating, but honestly, I've seen what looked to be the outcome of something like that first hand on a friends display, after the geek squad got thru with it, they left black enhancement on, which crushed his blacks, anf skin tones on white people looked almost bright orange... It was God awful!
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