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post #12451 of 14509
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Originally Posted by N3W813 View Post

You should use 75% luminance / 75% saturation targets. wink.gif

Maybe that is why my colors are a little soft (not much pop)? Thx!
post #12452 of 14509
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Originally Posted by N3W813 View Post

You should use 75% luminance / 75% saturation targets. wink.gif

I also have the AVSHD 709 blu-ray disc. On the disc within the calman patterns there's a chapter named "75% color". Is this a 75/75% target?
post #12453 of 14509
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Originally Posted by hutchinshouse View Post

I also have the AVSHD 709 blu-ray disc. On the disc within the calman patterns there's a chapter named "75% color". Is this a 75/75% target?

That is 75%L/100%S. Use the GCD disc from the calibration forum instead

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1406352/gcd-gamut-calibration-disk
post #12454 of 14509
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Originally Posted by N3W813 View Post

That is 75%L/100%S. Use the GCD disc from the calibration forum instead

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1406352/gcd-gamut-calibration-disk

Will do. Thanks for your help.
post #12455 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Matts View Post

I finally got my Elite 60 inch setup last night and while I didn't run any slides I did watch various content with lots of whites and grays, and some Planet Earth and didn't notice anything out of the ordinary. It's certainly far and away better picture than the much older Sony LCD TV I was coming from.


Nice setup. Love the BDI stand
post #12456 of 14509
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Originally Posted by mikek753 View Post

the Calibration failed eek.gif
I would like to see if a "known" calibrator in here would have the same issues........
post #12457 of 14509
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Originally Posted by kesando View Post

Nice setup. Love the BDI stand

Thank You Kesando.
post #12458 of 14509
Have a 60, too. No dead pixels, no big issues so far.

Really impressed by the Elite coming off of Sony XBR-KDL55. Can see fleeting moments of slight vertical band in white like in Casablanca final airport scene very slight and brief one could think it's part of the original film transfer. Also can see when looking really hard for it on white screens very slight touches of pink/green but you gotta know to watch for it to notice. Seems more a part of the processing method of the technology than a flaw. Would never even mention if not for reading about it here.

Checked out Fargo snow scenes and Harry Potter white dream scene. Excellent uniform whites. Plasma's can't do that brightness.

Right now, am a bit partial to the understated color of the Sony XBR8. The Elite seems a bit cartoonish in some instances but that can be adjusted probably and maybe it's a part of not being used to the higher contrast of the Elite.

Interesting comparing XBR8 to Elite in opening scene in Vertigo, Jimmy Stewart is in brightly lit apartment. XBR8 has more even lighting on entire screen, while Elite seems to be trying to boost contrast my making corners darker, like behind furniture for example. Might seem a bit forced. In this case, prefer the XBR8. But love the overall, large step up in performance of the Elite!
Edited by timbersbimbers - 2/2/13 at 11:01am
post #12459 of 14509
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Originally Posted by mikek753 View Post

He said that TV has to run for a month before colors settle down and now it is to early to calibrate.

The calibrator is incorrect. Colors don't jump around. Was all automatic processing turned off?

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Originally Posted by mikek753 View Post

So, I'm back to the same Q. - is my 70" Ok? or defective?

No. Maybe.

Just out of curiosity, does it look okay in the THX modes?
post #12460 of 14509
I just opened a case with Sharp for green/pink blotches. I manage to capture a shot that definitely shows the square patches are one sixth of the screen and alternate pink, green, pink on top and green, pink, green on the bottom. The geometric nature leads me to believe its inherent in the design.
LL
Edited by davoe - 2/2/13 at 12:38pm
post #12461 of 14509
Given the recent quality control issues discussed here, and the considerably lower price of the 65" VT50, I'm surprised prices on the Elite haven't fallen. Has anyone seen a price under $6K for the 70" Elite from an authorized Sharp dealer? If so, please post.
post #12462 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Video Auteur View Post

Given the recent quality control issues discussed here, and the considerably lower price of the 65" VT50, I'm surprised prices on the Elite haven't fallen. Has anyone seen a price under $6K for the 70" Elite from an authorized Sharp dealer? If so, please post.

I guess it depends on how many of these sets are being returned. At this point I know that some people have returned sets and I imagine that places like BB are more than likely just turning around and selling these open box sets at a substantial discount. If the rumors are true that Sharp has discontinued the Elite line, then I suspect we will start to see prices dip slightly under the $6K price, but who knows. Other on-line dealers may already be selling what inventory they have left at prices well under $6K. If I were somebody truly interested in buying an Elite, I would seriously consider a floor model, as they are being sold at substantial discounts and at least with a floor model you check out the screen and make sure you will be happy with it.
post #12463 of 14509
Not enough inventory around, if this is indeed the last units, I highly doubt we will see price drops........
post #12464 of 14509
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Originally Posted by timbersbimbers View Post

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Right now, am a bit partial to the understated color of the Sony XBR8. The Elite seems a bit cartoonish in some instances but that can be adjusted probably and maybe it's a part of not being used to the higher contrast of the Elite.

Interesting comparing XBR8 to Elite in opening scene in Vertigo, Jimmy Stewart is in brightly lit apartment. XBR8 has more even lighting on entire screen, while Elite seems to be trying to boost contrast my making corners darker, like behind furniture for example.
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Sounds like calibration issue or some of the extra processing being applied - what settings are you using?
post #12465 of 14509
Best buy in Chicago is refusing to calibrate Cms. Seriously. I have complained up the food chain. Just comical.
post #12466 of 14509
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Originally Posted by sjchmura View Post

Best buy in Chicago is refusing to calibrate Cms. Seriously. I have complained up the food chain. Just comical.
Why do you care what BB calibrates?

There are calibrators that are known here at AVS who are bound to do better work than anyone at BB. See the bottom of my post, and check with turbe.
post #12467 of 14509
I had a BB calibration free. Glad it was free. Tech told me they are not issued rs232 cables! He didn't even use the 10 point color controls! Worst calibration ever! I sent Kevin Miller an email tonight.
-Evangelo2
post #12468 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Evangelo2 View Post

I had a BB calibration free. Glad it was free. Tech told me they are not issued rs232 cables! He didn't even use the 10 point color controls! Worst calibration ever! I sent Kevin Miller an email tonight.
-Evangelo2
Thanks for your "free" calibration report. I've included it in the BB calibration list at the top of post number two in the thread that's linked in the signature area at the bottom of my post. We're looking forward to your real calibration report in the near future. smile.gif
post #12469 of 14509
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

Thanks for your "free" calibration report. I've included it in the BB calibration list at the top of post number two in the thread that's linked in the signature area at the bottom of my post. We're looking forward to your real calibration report in the near future. smile.gif

If you want the settings the BB guy came up with I can post them. Honestly, the settings I found in this thread with some tweaks look better...
post #12470 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Evangelo2 View Post

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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

Thanks for your "free" calibration report. I've included it in the BB calibration list at the top of post number two in the thread that's linked in the signature area at the bottom of my post. We're looking forward to your real calibration report in the near future. smile.gif

If you want the settings the BB guy came up with I can post them. Honestly, the settings I found in this thread with some tweaks look better...
No thanks. My display is already professionally calibrated. wink.gif

EDIT: The "Customer Reports" thread is for owner's impressions of the results of having a professional calibration -- not the settings. In the case of BB calibrations, I've made a special list just for them because the calibrators are anonymous.
Edited by htwaits - 2/3/13 at 12:36am
post #12471 of 14509
So just a update on my replacement set. Magnolia got the replacement set in. I checked the build date on the box. Same as what i got. Nov. Build. We got it out of the box and set it up. I went in and turn off all extra features including PS. Put up the slides. Same green monsters off to the sides and top. So since they were holding the floor model for me. Which had nice uniformity across the screen. And 8 months old. I decided to take it for my replacement instead. Though I really had high hopes for the new set that came in. I just don't understand why the Nov. batch is bad. Or may just BB Nov. builds batch.
post #12472 of 14509
Forgot to add that besides the Magnolia sales person that helped me. A manager and the manager's boss (don't know what status he was) witness the green blobs. They too couldn't believe it. And when i ran the slides on their floor model they said it was like night and day. Anyway just want to thank the Magnolia team at BB for such great service and patients.
post #12473 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Evangelo2 View Post

I had a BB calibration free. Glad it was free. Tech told me they are not issued rs232 cables! He didn't even use the 10 point color controls! Worst calibration ever! I sent Kevin Miller an email tonight.
-Evangelo2

You will be very happy with Kevin's work, it's exceptional.
post #12474 of 14509
Hi. New here. Picked up a 70 from Chris at Cleveland and having Kevin M come over to do his magic. Worried about the Nov. 2012 build I received. Should I be concerned? I can see some pink and green dse while watching hockey. Also can see some bands horizontally and vertically. Very minor. The wife doesn't notice and I probably do just because I read a lot on here. Can Kevin make these affects even more minimal? Also, question about 3D. I bought some mono price red mere hdmi to go from explorer 8300 hd cable box to tv. But also run component through splitter to feed second tv in same room so I can watch sports w/ no volume while kids watch their shows. I must unplug hdmi to send component which is easy since back of cable box is easy to reach. With the hdmi I watched finding nemo in 3D. Awesome! But then I disconnected the hdmi and forgot I did. Watched another 3D movie on demand (through component) and had no problem. Pic looked great. Is hdmi high speed even necessary? I thought component couldnt run 3D. Thanks guys. Ant.
post #12475 of 14509
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Originally Posted by rhed View Post

I just don't understand why the Nov. batch is bad. Or may just BB Nov. builds batch.

It's sounding more and more like the Nov. build is the last run even from comments by Cleaveland Plasma. If this is true, it makes sense the Nov builds have quality control. They are in drastic cost cutting measures. Make the last batch as cheaply as possible just before you cancel production. A much bigger profit margin and you will have no financial reprecussions on future production runs. And for the people that get screwed on a bad set, after spending that much money they likely wont be getting another one for a few years. And Sharp doesn't even know if they will be around for another year, let alone several years so they don't care about their reputation with the Nov. build Elite buyers.

Just speculation though.
post #12476 of 14509
I think by now Sharp is probably aware of the issues with the Nov. builds. And I really think they don't give a s^*+. Because I guess the majority will just go out and buy these sets because its one the top of the line. With the I inkiest blacks. And best PQ to date. So just buy it and plug it in. Without really knowing what's really behind all that PQ. I mean really, not even the folks at BB new about it till I showed it to them. There was even other customers there watching what we were doing. And then asking what are we looking at. Until I pointed out what it was. We all know even the most expensive piece of equipment has it flaws. But the manufacture should at least do something about it.
post #12477 of 14509
i just received my Nov 70 that i exchanged for the Nov 60 i had.

the banding on the 70 is much less than the 60 - in fact, i would say the banding on the replacement is not any worse (and in most cases is less) than the banding I witnessed when testing out a HX950 and VT50 at the store. So, i dont thinik i could improve very much in this regard relative to this tv.

There is very slight discoloration in what looks like the upper left corner of the screen when putting up solid colors. I did not notice it all, at first, when i was just watching hockey and golf. Even when knowing it is there, its pretty tough to see in most cases. So, I am not sure if i could beat this one with another Nov build. It is quite slight and an upper corner of the screen is probably the best location one could hope for.

Though it seems just 'wrong' to spend this much and have ANY issues, as i have done more research on various models and A/B/C'd issues across different makes and technologies for myself, I am really starting to think ANY and EVERY set is going to have banding or screen unifomity issues or some other issue - unless one gets a miracle set.

so, I am seriously considering calling it day and enjoy my movies on my 70" elite.

any thoughts on acceptability and if you would feel comfortable with cited issues?
post #12478 of 14509
Ale, your set sounds a lot like mine. I picked up a 70" November build and the set has been great. Literally every day the set impresses me more and more. I actually am more impressed now than I was a couple of weeks ago. I used N3W8I3's settings, and apart from a pro calibration, I don't think ANY TV is going to look any better and likely worse. I noticed a VERY SLIGHT pink hue in my lower left corner on a 109% white screen which is completely invisible on any content that I would actually watch. At this point I think with sets like ours the risk of getting a replacement far outweighs the potential of getting a "better" set. If you don't see anything wrong on the content you watch, it's best to leave it alone.
post #12479 of 14509
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Originally Posted by AnotherDude View Post

Sounds like calibration issue or some of the extra processing being applied - what settings are you using?

Think you're right about calibration. Plus maybe just getting used to different. Am using CNET settings in THX mode.
post #12480 of 14509
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Originally Posted by kdog750 View Post

It's sounding more and more like the Nov. build is the last run even from comments by Cleaveland Plasma. If this is true, it makes sense the Nov builds have quality control. They are in drastic cost cutting measures. Make the last batch as cheaply as possible just before you cancel production. A much bigger profit margin and you will have no financial reprecussions on future production runs. And for the people that get screwed on a bad set, after spending that much money they likely wont be getting another one for a few years. And Sharp doesn't even know if they will be around for another year, let alone several years so they don't care about their reputation with the Nov. build Elite buyers.

Just speculation though.


I really hope it's not the last though. I mean if it was, wouldn't Sharp at least mention the stopping or discontinuation of the Elite line? I mean it is their high end line.
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