Official Sharp Elite PRO-70X5 and 60X5 Owners Thread - Page 416

guys, im still working way through all the old pages of this thred (so forgive me for asking something that is probbly found somehwere in the past) but did sharp ever release a fw fix for the cyan color issue? or do new sets still have this accuracy issue?

This has been answered multiple times, most recently in just the last few pages. The answer is no, the cyan issue still exists and most owners never notice it. Why? Because the color cyan is seldom seen and the error is in the lower luminance levels of this color. Add to that the fact that the chances are your eye simply does not know what 'correct' should be with cyan since more common objects are not cyan-hued. If the issue were with more common colors like orange or red, you'd have a good idea of what those colors should look like. Cyan? Not so much, though some will disagree.

Wish this was a sticky since it's asked every few pages of this thread and most asking it don't realize it's a non-issue for the vast majority of owners.

[ sarcasm]
I simply cannot enjoy "The Today Show" due to the flaw with cyan in the Elite.

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ken,, thanks for tking the time to reply - i apologize since i have read the most recent pges (i guess i missed it because i have actually been focusing more on the banding issue that i m hving on my current 60").

im exchanging mine for another 60" tomorrow and just trying to get all relevnt info while im still in my return/exchange window.

in continuing to read olders posts, i see your point about not very noticeable without A/Bing confirmed by what i m gathering are 'experts' here (eg duane, kevin, etc.)

I do have a small amount of the green DSE, but I can not detect it in even almost pure white scenes in movies so I will let it pass. Outside of the odd blue shadow artifacts when not in THX mode in that one scene in "Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close", I don't have any big complaints. Especially now that the flickering problem was identified. I suppose if I get a lot more of these blue shadow artifacts in the future I will have to deal with Sharp though..

I finally got my Elite 60 inch setup last night and while I didn't run any slides I did watch various content with lots of whites and grays, and some Planet Earth and didn't notice anything out of the ordinary. It's certainly far and away better picture than the much older Sony LCD TV I was coming from.

It doesn't seem like the 60s have been prone to the issues the Nov 70s have.

Good luck with the BB calibration....

Ask the calibrator to use 75% saturation targets to calibrate the CMS instead of the normal 100%..... if he/she does not know what that means, I seriously doubt you will get a good picture

the Calibration failed
He was not able to calibrate due to unstable color readings. My Elite colors were jumping all the time and as much as 5% or higher.
When he set one target for a sec the next it was gone.
The same readings I got myself before, so I thought something wrong ether with my i1D3 or S/W.
But, now another sensor with another h/w and s/w.
He said that TV has to run for a month before colors settle down and now it is to early to calibrate.
My TV was for a week up for 10 - 16 hours a day.
Also, it isn't plasma.
What LED has to settle down? Or etc.

So, I'm back to the same Q. - is my 70" Ok? or defective?

Total B/S.... I calibrated my Nov12 set couple of days after I received it, no issues at all. I also had no issues with colors being unstable during a calibration with my previous 2 sets.

When you say your colors are jumping, do you mean the readings are moving significantly when you take continuous readings on the same pattern?

I just calibrated my 60" Sharp Elite via Calman5. I used "75% bright" @ "100% saturation" to set my color via CMS. Is that not correct? Should it be 75% saturation @ 100% bright? I ask because I'm new at calibrating. Thx!

You should use 75% luminance / 75% saturation targets.

Maybe that is why my colors are a little soft (not much pop)? Thx!

I also have the AVSHD 709 blu-ray disc. On the disc within the calman patterns there's a chapter named "75% color". Is this a 75/75% target?

That is 75%L/100%S. Use the GCD disc from the calibration forum instead

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1406352/gcd-gamut-calibration-disk

Will do. Thanks for your help.

Nice setup. Love the BDI stand

Thank You Kesando.

Have a 60, too. No dead pixels, no big issues so far.

Really impressed by the Elite coming off of Sony XBR-KDL55. Can see fleeting moments of slight vertical band in white like in Casablanca final airport scene very slight and brief one could think it's part of the original film transfer. Also can see when looking really hard for it on white screens very slight touches of pink/green but you gotta know to watch for it to notice. Seems more a part of the processing method of the technology than a flaw. Would never even mention if not for reading about it here.

Checked out Fargo snow scenes and Harry Potter white dream scene. Excellent uniform whites. Plasma's can't do that brightness.

Right now, am a bit partial to the understated color of the Sony XBR8. The Elite seems a bit cartoonish in some instances but that can be adjusted probably and maybe it's a part of not being used to the higher contrast of the Elite.

Interesting comparing XBR8 to Elite in opening scene in Vertigo, Jimmy Stewart is in brightly lit apartment. XBR8 has more even lighting on entire screen, while Elite seems to be trying to boost contrast my making corners darker, like behind furniture for example. Might seem a bit forced. In this case, prefer the XBR8. But love the overall, large step up in performance of the Elite!
Edited by timbersbimbers - 2/2/13 at 11:01am

The calibrator is incorrect. Colors don't jump around. Was all automatic processing turned off?


No. Maybe.

Just out of curiosity, does it look okay in the THX modes?

I just opened a case with Sharp for green/pink blotches. I manage to capture a shot that definitely shows the square patches are one sixth of the screen and alternate pink, green, pink on top and green, pink, green on the bottom. The geometric nature leads me to believe its inherent in the design.

Edited by davoe - 2/2/13 at 12:38pm

Given the recent quality control issues discussed here, and the considerably lower price of the 65" VT50, I'm surprised prices on the Elite haven't fallen. Has anyone seen a price under $6K for the 70" Elite from an authorized Sharp dealer? If so, please post.

I guess it depends on how many of these sets are being returned. At this point I know that some people have returned sets and I imagine that places like BB are more than likely just turning around and selling these open box sets at a substantial discount. If the rumors are true that Sharp has discontinued the Elite line, then I suspect we will start to see prices dip slightly under the $6K price, but who knows. Other on-line dealers may already be selling what inventory they have left at prices well under $6K. If I were somebody truly interested in buying an Elite, I would seriously consider a floor model, as they are being sold at substantial discounts and at least with a floor model you check out the screen and make sure you will be happy with it.

Sounds like calibration issue or some of the extra processing being applied - what settings are you using?

Best buy in Chicago is refusing to calibrate Cms. Seriously. I have complained up the food chain. Just comical.

Why do you care what BB calibrates?

There are calibrators that are known here at AVS who are bound to do better work than anyone at BB. See the bottom of my post, and check with turbe.

I had a BB calibration free. Glad it was free. Tech told me they are not issued rs232 cables! He didn't even use the 10 point color controls! Worst calibration ever! I sent Kevin Miller an email tonight.
-Evangelo2

Thanks for your "free" calibration report. I've included it in the BB calibration list at the top of post number two in the thread that's linked in the signature area at the bottom of my post. We're looking forward to your real calibration report in the near future.