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post #12541 of 14509
It's on the side of the box.
post #12542 of 14509
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Originally Posted by obxdiver View Post

I still feel Sharp over priced the Elite to the point the sales suffered.
If they had priced it at $5999 from the beginning, they would have doubled (or more) their sales and made more profit in the long run.
They may not have sold many, however they made money for once.........
post #12543 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Mixdoctor View Post

Well....I was in PC Richard a week ago and I saw that the 70945 was in their system. I asked whether that was a holdover from 2012 and the sales guy who I have known for years, told me that was a new entry most likely made around CES time. No orders yet but the skew was there.

Perhaps with the demise of the Elites, they will decide to bring finally bring out the 945 viewing it as an easier to sell commodity. No need to worry about the 945 taking away sales from the Elite's. Also...Now that the R&D has been done they can bring down the price point to a more consumer friendly level.

I wonder if Chris from Cleveland Plasma can confirm this?
post #12544 of 14509
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I have a TC-P60GT50 which is substantially similar and will tell you, it is fine as long as you baby the set. By that I mean:

- no CNN, CNBC, etc. at all. The CNBC ticker is permanently burned into my set, though it has faded significantly over time. Can only see the dark band from it on a pure white screen. I used it for a couple hours here and there when the TV was a few weeks old, but in 8 months since it still has not disappeared.
- no using your blu-ray player as an audio player. My Oppo BDP-93 displays text and numbers on the screen that take several weeks to disappear, when playing MP3s and FLACs from my NAS. If I use this now, I turn the TV off once the playlist is going. Apple TV rotates the image and i have not had a problem.
- no excessive watching of channels with logos in the corner, whether they are white, semi-opaque, whatever. I've had logos stick from James Bond marathons, watching FOX, etc.
- you should be willing to run the Disney WOW pixel flipper on "Vivid" mode to clear minor IR while you are at work, sleeping, etc.

The plasmas are great for dedicated media rooms such as man caves or home theatre rooms, where there's not much ambient light and you don't watch too much TV or sports from any one channel. But for a "living room tv" you need to be aware of these constraints. If you don't watch channels with tickers, and glare isn't an issue, have at it. It will be a much more uniform image than almost any LCD.

Buzzing is not a noticeable trait of my set.

This seems to be an extreme case of IR. I do have a Pioneer plasma where i have watched several ticker channels, logo channels, played games and never had a burn in.
post #12545 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Mixdoctor View Post

Well....I was in PC Richard a week ago and I saw that the 70945 was in their system. I asked whether that was a holdover from 2012 and the sales guy who I have known for years, told me that was a new entry most likely made around CES time. No orders yet but the skew was there.

Perhaps with the demise of the Elites, they will decide to bring finally bring out the 945 viewing it as an easier to sell commodity. No need to worry about the 945 taking away sales from the Elite's. Also...Now that the R&D has been done they can bring down the price point to a more consumer friendly level.

This is not true. I was following the 945 very closely because I intended to buy it instead of the Elite. Sharp had considered releasing it before their financial problems but pulled the plug on it. If they had intended to release it they would have shown it at CES. From what I understand, the 945 has "been in the system" since February of last year when it was announced.
post #12546 of 14509
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Originally Posted by kdog750 View Post

This is not true. I was following the 945 very closely because I intended to buy it instead of the Elite. Sharp had considered releasing it before their financial problems but pulled the plug on it. If they had intended to release it they would have shown it at CES. From what I understand, the 945 has "been in the system" since February of last year when it was announced.


Can't say 100% whether it is true or not, since I don't know their retail software. Hopefully for all of us that like a good picture they do correct some of the problems of the Elite and put out a fully backlit LED set, with a picture comparable to the Elites. Do this either as an Elite or as part of their regular line. Even though I got a good price from PC Richard for an Elite, the wife nixed it, so hopefully something less expensive form Sharp, with a great picture, gets the go ahead.
post #12547 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Mixdoctor View Post

Can't say 100% whether it is true or not, since I don't know their retail software. Hopefully for all of us that like a good picture they do correct some of the problems of the Elite and put out a fully backlit LED set, with a picture comparable to the Elites. Do this either as an Elite or as part of their regular line. Even though I got a good price from PC Richard for an Elite, the wife nixed it, so hopefully something less expensive form Sharp, with a great picture, gets the go
ahead.

I thought about something after I posted. I suppose it is possible that they are secretly releasing the 945 and kept it on the down low at CES to allow them to sell off their remaining inventory. How ironic would it be if they actually would release it and the November Elite builds everyone is having trouble with are actually the new 945's. That would explain why some of the quality control is gone. Perhaps the November Elites were a test run before production cranks up.
post #12548 of 14509
Sounds like too much of a lawsuit to try and pass of a product that's something it isn't.
post #12549 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Sick Mother View Post

Sounds like too much of a lawsuit to try and pass of a product that's something it isn't.

It might be impossible to prove if the 945 was simply an Elite with no quality control, cheaper panels, and a badge thats says SHARP instead of Elite. I'm not absolutely sure but from the info we have here, every single November build has pink/green areas with the exception of the one panel from Cleaveland Plasma. So something has definitely changed in production. If I had to guess, I'd say it's not quality control but a different manufacturing(cheaper?) method.
post #12550 of 14509
I have November build from Chris and it too has the green pink issue. Is there anything we can do? Is there a fix? Will calibration by Kevin help? Can I return this tv? Class action lawsuit? What are the options.
post #12551 of 14509
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Originally Posted by sidneygreen View Post

I have November build from Chris and it too has the green pink issue. Is there anything we can do? Is there a fix? Will calibration by Kevin help? Can I return this tv? Class action lawsuit? What are the options.

That kills the theory that the drop shipped Nov build sets from Sharp were better. It still seems the luck of the draw with the odds stacked against you.

What really surprises me is that there are no panels out there with pre-Nov build dates. You mean to tell me that every pre-Nov Elite is sold out?
post #12552 of 14509
Thanks Ken but is there anything we can do? I watch a lot of hockey and it presents a big issue. If I use the dynamic setting it isn't as noticeable. Upset about it because it was lot of money.
post #12553 of 14509
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Originally Posted by sidneygreen View Post

I have November build from Chris and it too has the green pink issue. Is there anything we can do? Is there a fix? Will calibration by Kevin help? Can I return this tv? Class action lawsuit? What are the options.

No fix for it. I think calibration wont help it go away. Because how can one calibrate different areas of a set. Like the areas where the green and pink patches are. Class action lawsuit? Well probably could but you gotta have a dam good lawyer for this going up against a multi billion dollar company. Then there's others who have this green and pink patches in their Nov. build set. But make themselves believe that they don't see it on regular viewing and that its OK to them. So now what's the odds of winning a case.
post #12554 of 14509
Can I return the set?
post #12555 of 14509
The option to return due to defect like pink/green or heavy DSE for an expensive item like Elite is why I decided to get it somewhere I can return (BB). Mine is a 60, Oct 2011 build, open box from someone who returned it for a 70, says BB. Now there are no more 60's in the Boston or New Hampshire area.

Lucky this one has no dead pixels and minor DSE. Everything I re-watch looks so much better with colors that pop, deep blacks, richer detail and greater contrast. Just watched Star Trek original series "Devil In The Dark" and the show's stage set of fake rocks LEEPED off screen with an intricate dazzle of blues and purples not on my old set.
post #12556 of 14509
I am really sorry I waited to buy an Elite. I was waiting for some things to come through financially and now that they have I cannot find a guaranteed pre-November build anywhere. I really don't feel like there are any other great LED options out there right now. They are all just selling cheap commodity with bells and whistles I don't care about. I just want a damn good picture.

I may have to rethink my stance on plasma but I'm worried about IR, buzzing and reflectivity.
post #12557 of 14509
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Originally Posted by tex94 View Post


I may have to rethink my stance on plasma but I'm worried about IR, buzzing and reflectivity.
There are a lot of happy plasma owners. For you to be one of the happy ones it would be a good idea to look closely at how you would use a plasma display. Several top calibrators who are known here at AVS come through the Bay Area. One of them is located in Santa Rosa, and Jeff Meier(USB), D-NIce, and David Abrams do tours.

Reflectivity is an issue that's directly related to your viewing room. I have a Kuro on a wall facing an East wall of windows with two more windows on it's South side. There are bamboo curtains on the windows. In general, reflectivity hasn't been a problem for us. Only you can determine if it can be controlled in your room.

For buzzing, just buy with a no cost return policy. There's no way to tell if buzzing will be a problem for you unless you test a specific display in your viewing room under normal viewing circumstances.

IR comes and it goes. There have been outlandish claims from every angle on this topic. Anyone who watches the super bowl, and immediately runs a white screen to check for IR will probably find some. Someone else who spends a lot of time changing settings or playing games will probably be able to find some IR using a white screen. If you watch a variety of source materials, and don't feel the need to tweak settings every few minutes, then you shouldn't have a problem. Just go easy on the fixed images when the set is new, and with the money saved over an Elite, have one of the best professionals calibrate your display after it's a couple hundred hours old. Or, get lucky and find an Elite older than the Nov. release. biggrin.gif

Our Kuro is a little over five years old and it's been calibrated twice by Jeff Meier(UMR), and I spent time with D-NIce when he calibrated our Nephew's Panasonic plasma. If you want the best out of a display, I'd recommend both of them, and David Abrams too. Robert Busch (bht) in Santa Rose also has an outstanding reputation.

I've checked our display once for IR because of all the IR posts here at AVS. That was last summer, and I didn't find anything. Jeff Meier did his second full calibration this December and he didn't find anything.

Our viewing habits include heavy NFL (logos), NHL (logos), and shinny disk movies from Netflix (black bars). During the off season I watch the NFL network and have a few 49er games saved on our DVR that I watch to keep my spirits up. That's a lot of logos and black bars. wink.gif The movies that fill the screen, and the variety of sources with logos seem to be enough to get rid of any IR before it can be noticed. After the initial few hundred hours, I've depended on our viewing habits to take care of any IR potential.

Best wishes for your search to find the display that makes you happy. smile.gif
Edited by htwaits - 2/8/13 at 5:44pm
post #12558 of 14509
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Originally Posted by tex94 View Post

I am really sorry I waited to buy an Elite. I was waiting for some things to come through financially and now that they have I cannot find a guaranteed pre-November build anywhere. I really don't feel like there are any other great LED options out there right now. They are all just selling cheap commodity with bells and whistles I don't care about. I just want a damn good picture.

I may have to rethink my stance on plasma but I'm worried about IR, buzzing and reflectivity.

If you really want an Elite (and not a plasma) order one from Best Buy. You can always return it within 45 days as a silver member. Also consider the floor model, which will almost certainly be pre-November build. But just an FYI: not all November builds have issues. I know because I'm watching mine right now smile.gif
post #12559 of 14509
Hello all,

I'm new to this forum and have been following the threads intently. I'm really interested in the Sharp Elite 70'' and feel the need to 'act quick' as availability is dwindling.
I just got back from my local BB and they will sell me the 70'' floor model for $5400. The serial # is 108811824. What do you guys think of this offer and does this serial # belong to the dreaded November supply?

Thanks
post #12560 of 14509
Thats a great price
I would jump on that quick
That is a pre Nov 2012 build date serial number
post #12561 of 14509
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Originally Posted by drexelspivey View Post

Hello all,

I'm new to this forum and have been following the threads intently. I'm really interested in the Sharp Elite 70'' and feel the need to 'act quick' as availability is dwindling.
I just got back from my local BB and they will sell me the 70'' floor model for $5400. The serial # is 108811824. What do you guys think of this offer and does this serial # belong to the dreaded November supply?

Thanks

lots of hours on those tv's
post #12562 of 14509
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Originally Posted by gene9p View Post

lots of hours on those tv's

It will have quite a few hours on them however when you think about the total life of the LEDs, it will hardly impact most users.
post #12563 of 14509
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Originally Posted by drexelspivey View Post

Hello all,

I'm new to this forum and have been following the threads intently. I'm really interested in the Sharp Elite 70'' and feel the need to 'act quick' as availability is dwindling.
I just got back from my local BB and they will sell me the 70'' floor model for $5400. The serial # is 108811824. What do you guys think of this offer and does this serial # belong to the dreaded November supply?

Thanks
August 2011 build date, I think you could get a better price than $5400 for a floor model. Deal with the store manager only. A good price would be $5000 or less.
post #12564 of 14509
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Originally Posted by drexelspivey View Post

Hello all,

I'm new to this forum and have been following the threads intently. I'm really interested in the Sharp Elite 70'' and feel the need to 'act quick' as availability is dwindling.
I just got back from my local BB and they will sell me the 70'' floor model for $5400. The serial # is 108811824. What do you guys think of this offer and does this serial # belong to the dreaded November supply?

Thanks

I paid 5700 for mine new. Sure it was a November build and an earlier build is preferable, but Best Buy doesn't know that. They only know they have a used TV with a lot of hours on it with someone willing to buy it. In one of the pricing forums here they show a PC Richards sale card for the price I got it for. Print it out and bring it up there and show them you can get a new one for 5700 and that they will have to come down more than that to sell a used tv.
post #12565 of 14509
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Originally Posted by kdog750 View Post

I paid 5700 for mine new. Sure it was a November build and an earlier build is preferable, but Best Buy doesn't know that. They only know they have a used TV with a lot of hours on it with someone willing to buy it. In one of the pricing forums here they show a PC Richards sale card for the price I got it for. Print it out and bring it up there and show them you can get a new one for 5700 and that they will have to come down more than that to sell a used tv.

Great price for a new one..if BB won't come lower on the floor model..get them to price match for a new Elite..Id rather do that than buy a tv that has been running 16 hours a day ,seven days a week since last year
post #12566 of 14509
Update on my replacement.. So BB delivered my replacement set which was the floor model i opt for instead of the new Nov. 2012 build they brought in. As I wrote earlier in this thread. When BB decided to bring in another new set. I told them before they deliver it to my place I wanted to test it their at BB. So when it came in they opened the box and set it up next to the floor model. Went into the settings of both set. Turned off any extra features including PS. Switched it to THX mode and ran the slides. On the new set they brought in the DSE was worse then the one I had at home. I mean we could actually see it on content we tested. Now on their floor model? #108812256. Ran the slides and WOW! Very nice uniformity. I told them I wanted the floor model instead. So they cleaned it and repacked it in the box.
After it got delivered, I set it up and updated to the new firmware. Guess it hadn't been updated becuase it's a earlier model. After that I used Kevin Millers setting of THX mode. And let me say this.. After having the Nov. 2012 build for a month and watching it everyday. This earlier model imo seems like it has better blacks, brightness, contrast, crispier, and more of a pop then my previous one. It reminds me of my Kuro Elite 151. Only bigger screen with deeper blacks and maybe a bit more clarity. Even my wife said it looks totally different and better. Now this is the WOW factor that I was trying to get from my previous one. Unlike the Nov.build set I had the side view past 45 degrees don't have that much change in PQ. Just finished watching 'Happy Feet" again with my kids. No more seeing that greenish blob on white. This display is awesome. Im very happy with this set.
Anyway if I get the chance tonite i'll set up my tripod and my DSLR and take some pictures with the slides on.
Edited by rhed - 2/10/13 at 6:17pm
post #12567 of 14509
Glad it worked out. When working and setup properly, the Elite is an awesome set!
post #12568 of 14509
Maybe you guys can answer a couple questions for me.

How often are you guys seeing true black (or so close your eyes can't tell the difference) when watching blu-rays? I see it when I start up The Dark Knight and it shows the copyright screen with the blue bubble. It's so black I can't tell where the bezel is in a dark room. Once in the movie my "black bars" are just a very dark gray. I also see dark gray when the disk is loading and it shows the "floating" spinning disk. Are you guys seeing the same thing? I have to believe its the disk since I know the set can go darker, but I want to see it that dark when watching a movie too. I am using N3W8I3's settings ATM but I hope/think a professional calibration will get it that shade darker that I want.

Thoughts?...
post #12569 of 14509
Use a calibration disc to calibrate black level. If you don't have one, download the AVSHD 709 calibration disc for free here at AVSForum and use the pluge pattern to set the brightness. That will get you the blackest black for the set without crushing the black and sacrificing shadow detail.

You can also lower backlight to lower black level just a bit more but you will sacrifice overall contrast.
post #12570 of 14509
Blacks, contrast and backlight is the big dilemma biggrin.gif. I don't mind losing a bit of the top end to get a blacker black. - my backlight is at ISF 35, which I think comes out to about -5 in THX and other modes. My white level comes out at about 28 fL, which is fine for me to get the blacker black. But I'm in a dim room.
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