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post #12601 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Sick Mother View Post

Maybe I'm not reading some of these posts correctly, but is there really a question if someone can live with an Elite for the next five years? Lol "The next five years" takes us through 2017 and into 2018. For a set to take you through the next five years it needs to be available NOW. This begs the question: What set could I live with NOW for five years other than an Elite? If the answer is none, then hold onto what you've got (because it must be better than an Elite). How about the 84" Sony? Ya, that could work...for $25,000. As it stands the only set(s) are the VT50 and the upcoming ZT60 and F8500. The latter two haven't been professionally tested yet, so who knows about them. But even if they are all that, does anyone realistically think that they would be so much better (while being smaller) that one could "live with it for five years" but could not say the same about the Elite? I highly doubt it.

Makes me think of a line from C.Montgomery Burns.... "I'd trade it all for a little more" biggrin.gif
post #12602 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Sick Mother View Post

I think they will be, largely because of no concern for IR and the fact that no comparable, affordable plasma exists (size wise). I don't believe the desire will be because the picture quality is noticeably superior. When the Kuro died there was no set like it so everybody wanted one. Nowadays TVs are MUCH better and people can pick up a VT50 or even the new ZT60 in only a few months, not to mention other great displays from Sony and Samsung.

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Originally Posted by rhed View Post

Hmm.. My opinion? No.. Most high end consumers now is just waiting or going for 4k or OLED. Which now 4k is available to buy. Even if there aren't too much content to support 4k. Most of the high end consumers just wanna get a 4k set just because they have it. And most of us will just hold on to what we have now till 4k becomes cheaper or wait till there's more content. I say our sets is more then enough to hold us for at least 3-4 years. Hopefully by then 4k will have come down. And maybe OLED will be available too.

Interesting points on both sides so far.
post #12603 of 14509
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Originally Posted by RadTech51 View Post

Actually they're has been talk about skipping 4k going directly to 8K displays so it's best to hold out until the format has been chosen.

Hey Rad. IMO, 4K is a done deal and 8K in the U.S. is a long way off, if ever. With 4K displays already on the market, the 4K RedRay player already shipping, Sony already 'loaning' a 4K server pre-loaded with 4K movies with their 84" 4K display, 4K camcorders already on the market with more to come, it's a safe bet that 4K is here to stay. smile.gif
post #12604 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Hey Rad. IMO, 4K is a done deal and 8K in the U.S. is a long way off, if ever. With 4K displays already on the market, the 4K RedRay player already shipping, Sony already 'loaning' a 4K server pre-loaded with 4K movies with their 84" 4K display, 4K camcorders already on the market with more to come, it's a safe bet that 4K is here to stay. smile.gif

Interesting buddy, I was reading that 8K scales better than 4K for conversion though. cool.gif
post #12605 of 14509
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Originally Posted by RadTech51 View Post

Interesting buddy, I was reading that 8K scales better than 4K for conversion though. cool.gif
I also heard 8k scales better, but Ken is right, The transition to 4k will be a huge move for the US market, not to mention a tough sell (in the beginning anywa.) The market will be really small for some years still.
post #12606 of 14509
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Originally Posted by GeneWildersHair View Post


I also heard 8k scales better, but Ken is right, The transition to 4k will be a huge move for the US market, not to mention a tough sell (in the beginning anywa.) The market will be really small for some years still.

I think it will come down to the content providers. If they can agree on a standard, I think it wouldn't be too hard to utilize extra layers on BD. Unlike the DVD- Bluray transition, they wouldn't need to completely re-tool their production lines, so hopefully that would keep cost increases for the finished product down. Same thing for players, if it just used extra layers, the possibility of a firmware upgrade without needing to buy new players would also be mitigated. Although the cost of a new player now is comparatively inexpensive (compared to the tv's themselves). A lot of what-ifs and maybe's but if content and pricing were right, I could totally see 4k taking off at the same pace as 1080p and Bluray did.
post #12607 of 14509
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Originally Posted by pred1973 View Post

I think it will come down to the content providers. If they can agree on a standard, I think it wouldn't be too hard to utilize extra layers on BD. Unlike the DVD- Bluray transition, they wouldn't need to completely re-tool their production lines, so hopefully that would keep cost increases for the finished product down. Same thing for players, if it just used extra layers, the possibility of a firmware upgrade without needing to buy new players would also be mitigated. Although the cost of a new player now is comparatively inexpensive (compared to the tv's themselves). A lot of what-ifs and maybe's but if content and pricing were right, I could totally see 4k taking off at the same pace as 1080p and Bluray did.
Even with more 4k capable blurays coming to the market and future expensive 4k tv's, it will be a niche market imo for a few years. Until cable, and satellite providers have the capability to truly begin rolling out 4k content I don't see even 30% of the consumers jumping to 4k. I can tell you without hesitation that I honestly believe we are at least 4 years out before a solid migration to 4k happens.
post #12608 of 14509
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Originally Posted by GeneWildersHair View Post

Even with more 4k capable blurays coming to the market and future expensive 4k tv's, it will be a niche market imo for a few years. Until cable, and satellite providers have the capability to truly begin rolling out 4k content I don't see even 30% of the consumers jumping to 4k. I can tell you without hesitation that I honestly believe we are at least 4 years out before a solid migration to 4k happens.

Wouldn't challenge you on that assumption, and I think 4 years sounds about right before we see real penetration. Frankly if they don't get a standard sorted out soon, and the content providers don't get on board it might end up taking even longer than that, which could allow the possibility of 8K leapfrogging it.
post #12609 of 14509
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Originally Posted by GeneWildersHair View Post

Even with more 4k capable blurays coming to the market and future expensive 4k tv's, it will be a niche market imo for a few years. Until cable, and satellite providers have the capability to truly begin rolling out 4k content I don't see even 30% of the consumers jumping to 4k. I can tell you without hesitation that I honestly believe we are at least 4 years out before a solid migration to 4k happens.

The thing is.. Most of A/V enthusiast would still dish out the cash for a 4k set. Even if cable, satellite, or other broadcast content doesn't offer it yet. If 4k is out on bluray I think that will still bring sells for the 4k set. Why? Because its a newest tech.. We wanna show it off to friends and families.. We gotta have it.. Its kinda future proof..Besides, these 4k sets will still be able to do 1080 also. So you won't be stuck with only 4k but it can do 1080. But have 4k at your within your reach.
post #12610 of 14509
I have a ir transmitter sending the ir signal to my av closet. The wall plate ir receiver is 10" lower than my screen and about 3-4 inches back against the wall. The wall plate receiver has a blue led that flashes when it has a signal. Whenever I put 3d material on the blue led just stays lit as if its always getting a signal an interferes with me using my remote to send any ir signals to the av closet.. Does the 70" elite cause some ir signal or interference?
-Evangelo2
post #12611 of 14509
To any concerned --

Noticed occasional ghosting around outlines of people, for example, during movement especially when against varied backgrounds like shrubs or drapes. Have settings set to THX, cnet settings.

By changing Film Mode from cnet's "Off" to either of the "Film" settings (low or advanced), ghosting is essentially gone or mush less noticeable.
post #12612 of 14509
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Originally Posted by rhed View Post

The thing is.. Most of A/V enthusiast would still dish out the cash for a 4k set. Even if cable, satellite, or other broadcast content doesn't offer it yet. If 4k is out on bluray I think that will still bring sells for the 4k set. Why? Because its a newest tech.. We wanna show it off to friends and families.. We gotta have it.. Its kinda future proof..Besides, these 4k sets will still be able to do 1080 also. So you won't be stuck with only 4k but it can do 1080. But have 4k at your within your reach.
video enthusiasts such as ourselves, you're right, but we are in the extreme minority. Just how many people do you think own an elite set, or any set retailing over 6k? Not saying 4k won't sell, but it will be a very small market, and have little content for the next few years, until it's more affordable to the average consumer.When I replace my Elite in 3 years, better believe it will new tech, whether it be 4k, or Oled I will definitely be spending the coin on the latest and greatest, as I feel I've done with the Elite. But as I said I'm amongst the few (like you) that would do so.
post #12613 of 14509
I'm a little late to the game, so please bear with me. I've tried to consume as much of this thread as possible.

I bought a floor model 70X5FD with ~1000 hrs of use. After putting it through its paces, I've noticed very slight uniformity issues in grays (not noticeable on actual content), and some DSE, also hard to notice in content. I can live with both of these flaws. However, I'm also seeing the pulsing issue and I find it extremely distracting. I have the latest(?) firmware (6/2012), I've disabled power saving, and tried various picture settings (aside from turning local dimming off entirely), and nothing seems to improve it. After reading through others' experiences, I still have a few questions:

1) Is the pulsing worse on some sets than others, or something seen on every set?
2) Is it something that people are able to adjust to and tune out eventually?
3) I haven't messed with the ISF settings (need to buy a USB > Serial cable, I suppose). Will this make a dramatic difference?

I traded in a VT50 for this set (which I really wanted to like!), because I discovered I'm one of those unlucky souls that sees rainbows on PDP TVs. If this pulsing/flicker continues to be an issue, do I even have alternatives? The Sony 950 is the only other set on my radar, and it seems to have its own QC issues. Needless to say, I've been extremely stressed out throughout this process, so your advice is appreciated!
post #12614 of 14509
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Originally Posted by xhixen View Post

I'm a little late to the game, so please bear with me. I've tried to consume as much of this thread as possible.

I bought a floor model 70X5FD with ~1000 hrs of use. After putting it through its paces, I've noticed very slight uniformity issues in grays (not noticeable on actual content), and some DSE, also hard to notice in content. I can live with both of these flaws. However, I'm also seeing the pulsing issue and I find it extremely distracting. I have the latest(?) firmware (6/2012), I've disabled power saving, and tried various picture settings (aside from turning local dimming off entirely), and nothing seems to improve it. After reading through others' experiences, I still have a few questions:

1) Is the pulsing worse on some sets than others, or something seen on every set?
2) Is it something that people are able to adjust to and tune out eventually?
3) I haven't messed with the ISF settings (need to buy a USB > Serial cable, I suppose). Will this make a dramatic difference?

I traded in a VT50 for this set (which I really wanted to like!), because I discovered I'm one of those unlucky souls that sees rainbows on PDP TVs. If this pulsing/flicker continues to be an issue, do I even have alternatives? The Sony 950 is the only other set on my radar, and it seems to have its own QC issues. Needless to say, I've been extremely stressed out throughout this process, so your advice is appreciated!

The pulsing issue is well documented now and it should be about the same on all Elite's from what I've seen so far. However with that said some people are more susceptible to the pulsing issue than others and the source content has a great deal to do with it. I noticed myself pulsing more on cable sources but not as much on Blu-Ray sources so keep that in mind. I highly recommend you get your Elite calibrated but with that said if you are noticing a program with a large amount of distracting pulsing going on you can always try changing the settings in the (IVC) Intelligent Variable Contrast to one of the other settings like Advanced - Low or High as I have found this to sometimes fix the pulsing for that specific source content. But be aware that I've found the opposite effect as well so I recommend you put it back and keep it on Local-Dimming after you are finished tinkering around with the IVC, unless of course you need the extra brightness from the IVC for daytime viewing etc. cool.gif
post #12615 of 14509
I also echo what Rad has to say about pulsing, and add that you need to make sure power saving is indeed off. Also in regards to IVC, I've noticed that using IVC low, does seem to almost get rid of pulsing entirely. Here is some settings I used to use when I first got the set, and played with trying to get rid of pulsing... Mind you, this was all done by eye, and no equipment was used to come up with these.
Thx mode
IVC LOW
Backlight +2
Contrast +28
Brightness 0
Tint 0
Sharpness +1
Hue R0, Y-2, G+4, C0, B-3, M+6
Saturation R0, Y-5, G+2, C+8, B+1, M0
Value R+5, Y+2, G-2, C-13, B+8, M-2
Color temp low
10 point on
1: R+15, G-4, B0
2: R+6, G-8, B-15
3: R+6, G-5, B-15
4: R0, G-4, B-18
5: R0, G-4, B-19
6: R0, G-3, B-18
7: R-1, G-5, B-19
8: R0, G-6, B-19
9: R0, G-5, B-20
10: R0, G0, B-15
Motion enhance 120 low
Gamma adj. -1
All other advanced processing off
post #12616 of 14509
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Originally Posted by GeneWildersHair View Post

I also echo what Rad has to say about pulsing, and add that you need to make sure power saving is indeed off. Also in regards to IVC, I've noticed that using IVC low, does seem to almost get rid of pulsing entirely. Here is some settings I used to use when I first got the set, and played with trying to get rid of pulsing... Mind you, this was all done by eye, and no equipment was used to come up with these.
Thx mode
IVC LOW
Backlight +2
Contrast +28
Brightness 0
Tint 0
Sharpness +1
Hue R0, Y-2, G+4, C0, B-3, M+6
Saturation R0, Y-5, G+2, C+8, B+1, M0
Value R+5, Y+2, G-2, C-13, B+8, M-2
Color temp low
10 point on
1: R+15, G-4, B0
2: R+6, G-8, B-15
3: R+6, G-5, B-15
4: R0, G-4, B-18
5: R0, G-4, B-19
6: R0, G-3, B-18
7: R-1, G-5, B-19
8: R0, G-6, B-19
9: R0, G-5, B-20
10: R0, G0, B-15
Motion enhance 120 low
Gamma adj. -1
All other advanced processing off

I have used IVC Low since i got the set and only use THX mode. No pulsing issues. Regarding setting, I use backlight -1, contrast 25 and brightness +1. Gamma/grayscale, color calibrated in Lumagen Radiance vp so no info for you on that.
post #12617 of 14509
I've been reading this thread, every page, since October of 2012. I purchased my 70" Elite from Chris @ Cleveland Plasma in December of 2012.

As it turns out, my set was a November build with the pink and green clouds visible on white to gray content, identical to many of the photos that have illustrated the issue in this thread.

I had contacted Sharp/Elite support (they are basically the same department) about a month ago. After a few phone calls and emails, including photographs of the issue with menu settings visible on the screen, I am happy to say that I have a resolution from Sharp.

They just called to tell me that they are going to replace the set. The person I spoke with said that they are not in production, but they are making some for issues like this. They are supposed to be testing my set soon and will call me with further information asap. They assure me that the replacement set will be pristine.

I do live in a remote rural area and this may have had some bearing on the disposition of my particular case. They could not find a service person willing to travel here on their initial search. I was waiting for them to get back to me on this when they called to say that they would simply replace the set. Who knows how this would have gone if they had sent out a tech that did not know what to look for?

So, for those of you with this issue, take heart. Contact Sharp support, be patient and persistent, give them everything they ask for and maybe a little more, with a smile. If they do send a tech out, be prepared with gray screens and recorded content that will clearly show the issue. They will likely take care of you.

Aside from this issue, which was only visible on certain content, and only if you looked for it, I have to say that I absolutely love this television. It's too bad they stopped making them.
post #12618 of 14509
OK, so there was a lot of chatter that many where waiting for a 80" Elite, with the release of the LG 84LM9600 has anyone considered this unit ?? I think one would be amazed at the price compared to what is out there by doing a goggle search. I realize it is not a Elite, but it is 84", 4K, and local dimming. Just wanted to see if there where any reactions out there.
post #12619 of 14509
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

OK, so there was a lot of chatter that many where waiting for a 80" Elite, with the release of the LG 84LM9600 has anyone considered this unit ?? I think one would be amazed at the price compared to what is out there by doing a goggle search. I realize it is not a Elite, but it is 84", 4K, and local dimming. Just wanted to see if there where any reactions out there.

I'd like to see how it fairs in the next upcoming HD Shootout, looks like it's a Full-Array w/ Local-Dimming nice. wink.gif

PS: David Katzmaier did say it was edge-lit in the video not a full-array so who knows for sure? rolleyes.gif

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/lg-84lm9600/4505-6482_7-35117957.html
Edited by RadTech51 - 2/19/13 at 4:06pm
post #12620 of 14509
All I want is a 80-100" Elite. The TV manufacturers have missed the mark.. once one experiences 70", you can never go smaller. A 55" OLED has ZERO attraction for me. 4K is worthless in the near future. A 90" full array (or 80") would have lured me to buy a new TV. The manufacturers missed the mark in my book.
post #12621 of 14509
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Originally Posted by dsinger View Post

I have used IVC Low since i got the set and only use THX mode. No pulsing issues. Regarding setting, I use backlight -1, contrast 25 and brightness +1. Gamma/grayscale, color calibrated in Lumagen Radiance vp so no info for you on that.

Thanks, everyone, for the advice. I first noticed the pulsing heavily on The Dark Knight Rises. I put it back in and played with IVC settings, but IVC Low versus Local Dimming On doesn't seem to make a difference. On the other hand, I popped in Homeland on Blu-ray and it looked nearly perfect. I guess I'll keep experimenting with different content to see if Dark Knight Rises is an anomaly.
Edited by xhixen - 2/19/13 at 10:05pm
post #12622 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

OK, so there was a lot of chatter that many where waiting for a 80" Elite, with the release of the LG 84LM9600 has anyone considered this unit ?? I think one would be amazed at the price compared to what is out there by doing a goggle search. I realize it is not a Elite, but it is 84", 4K, and local dimming. Just wanted to see if there where any reactions out there.

If the price is right..... smile.gif
post #12623 of 14509

Better read the article again...it is edge-lit!

post #12624 of 14509
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Originally Posted by smclay View Post

I've been reading this thread, every page, since October of 2012. I purchased my 70" Elite from Chris @ Cleveland Plasma in December of 2012.

As it turns out, my set was a November build with the pink and green clouds visible on white to gray content, identical to many of the photos that have illustrated the issue in this thread.

I had contacted Sharp/Elite support (they are basically the same department) about a month ago. After a few phone calls and emails, including photographs of the issue with menu settings visible on the screen, I am happy to say that I have a resolution from Sharp.

They just called to tell me that they are going to replace the set. The person I spoke with said that they are not in production, but they are making some for issues like this. They are supposed to be testing my set soon and will call me with further information asap. They assure me that the replacement set will be pristine.

I do live in a remote rural area and this may have had some bearing on the disposition of my particular case. They could not find a service person willing to travel here on their initial search. I was waiting for them to get back to me on this when they called to say that they would simply replace the set. Who knows how this would have gone if they had sent out a tech that did not know what to look for?

So, for those of you with this issue, take heart. Contact Sharp support, be patient and persistent, give them everything they ask for and maybe a little more, with a smile. If they do send a tech out, be prepared with gray screens and recorded content that will clearly show the issue. They will likely take care of you.

Aside from this issue, which was only visible on certain content, and only if you looked for it, I have to say that I absolutely love this television. It's too bad they stopped making them.

Thanks for the posting. You made up my mind for me. I will get one of the five Denver remaining BB 70" units. I was considering the 60" open box but really wanted to upgrade my system
Edited by Audiguy3 - 2/20/13 at 12:46am
post #12625 of 14509
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by KONICA TECH View Post

Better read the article again...it is edge-lit!

Yep looks that way, a Full-Array would have bumped up the price tag even more on an already very expensive set. biggrin.gif
post #12626 of 14509
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Pannus View Post

All I want is a 80-100" Elite. The TV manufacturers have missed the mark.. once one experiences 70", you can never go smaller. A 55" OLED has ZERO attraction for me. 4K is worthless in the near future. A 90" full array (or 80") would have lured me to buy a new TV. The manufacturers missed the mark in my book.

Give it more time, you will see even larger screen sizes then 100'' soon enough. Once they get the cost down for OLED and work out some of the issues associated with the technology it's actually the ideal format for very large screen sizes. wink.gif
post #12627 of 14509
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Originally Posted by pred1973 View Post

If the price is right..... smile.gif
Oh its right........ biggrin.gif
Edited by Cleveland Plasma - 2/20/13 at 10:26am
post #12628 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Evangelo2 View Post

I have a ir transmitter sending the ir signal to my av closet. The wall plate ir receiver is 10" lower than my screen and about 3-4 inches back against the wall. The wall plate receiver has a blue led that flashes when it has a signal. Whenever I put 3d material on the blue led just stays lit as if its always getting a signal an interferes with me using my remote to send any ir signals to the av closet.. Does the 70" elite cause some ir signal or interference?
-Evangelo2

Just bumping my questions. Can't find any answers searching around. Any Elite owners have issues with IR extenders (specifically a wall mounted IR receiver) when the Elite is switched to 3D mode? I am really stuck on this one...
post #12629 of 14509
^^^

I have seen similar reports though not on the Elite

the IR receiver extender is probably being overloaded by IR noise from the Sharp in 3D mode

to check for this just turn off the Sharp and see if the blue light goes out...
post #12630 of 14509
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Originally Posted by markrubin View Post

^^^

I have seen similar reports though not on the Elite

the IR receiver extender is probably being overloaded by IR noise from the Sharp in 3D mode

to check for this just turn off the Sharp and see if the blue light goes out...

It definitely goes out the second that 3D is switched off. Wonder if there is anything I can do about this? The IR signal comes from the TV, correct? I don't think the glasses emit anything. Whats strange is that the ir receiver is flush on the wall and the tv is wall mounted so it sticks out 3-4 inches. This one is going to be hard to deal with.
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