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post #12631 of 13415
2/20/13 at 2:04pm
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It definitely goes out the second that 3D is switched off. Wonder if there is anything I can do about this? The IR signal comes from the TV, correct? I don't think the glasses emit anything. Whats strange is that the ir receiver is flush on the wall and the tv is wall mounted so it sticks out 3-4 inches. This one is going to be hard to deal with.

IR can bounce off objects wink.gif
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2/20/13 at 2:11pm
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It definitely goes out the second that 3D is switched off. Wonder if there is anything I can do about this? The IR signal comes from the TV, correct? I don't think the glasses emit anything. Whats strange is that the ir receiver is flush on the wall and the tv is wall mounted so it sticks out 3-4 inches. This one is going to be hard to deal with.

IR can bounce off objects wink.gif

agreed: it bounces off walls and fills the room with noise

I was in your exact position with this issue (back then it was CCFL back light noise) several years ago:

I switched to an RF/ Zigbee remote because of this issue: there are no easy answers but IR repeaters/ extenders never worked for me
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post #12633 of 13415
2/20/13 at 7:52pm
I think OLED will definitely be a very nice step up on terms brightness and contrast, not to mention color of course. But I am content at this point to be satisfied with my Sharp and I will enjoy it, God willing, for many years to come. While the market goes on its roller coaster ride of 4K, OLED, 4K/OLED, 8K, 8K/OLED, and then of course the market will never stabilize and we will be in this perpetual cycle of constant TV innovation. Oh it's too much. Just buy a nice TV and enjoy the movies.
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post #12634 of 13415
2/20/13 at 7:53pm
Searched back a few hundred posts and didn't see any mention, so apologies if this is a repeat.

The last few days when I use the Elite's Netflix app to watch Neftlix streaming content... the menu for selecting a movie looks normal and fills the whole TV. But any movie or TV show I select to view, it then displays the show like my TV were a 4:3 ratio. It's got vertical black bars on either side of the picture, and then the movie itself being high def and widescreen it then has more black bars top and bottom to keep it in its original ratio. So the show is ending up using probably not even half of the screen area.

I did find a TV menu option under System Options -> VIew Option -> View Mode where if I set it to "Auto" rather than "Original", it will fill the screen. But I get the impression that the Netflix App is serving up the smaller image and the TV is then stretching it and interpolating. It doesn't look as sharp of an image. Also confirmed if I view the same content on my laptop it's full screen automatically.

Anyone else seeing anything like this when using the built in Netflix App? I called Netflix support but they weren't familiar with it, said they see that with PS3s if the aspect ratio is set wrong, but that's about it. They didn't have anything on the Sharp Elite at all in their records. They had me log out and back in, but no joy. Going to try Elite support next but figured I'd check here as well.

Using Movie THX mode incidentally, same as I always have. Only change I've knowingly made to the TV's settings in the last year is changing the brightness for some video games.
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post #12635 of 13415
2/21/13 at 7:49am
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Originally Posted by Matts View Post

I think OLED will definitely be a very nice step up on terms brightness and contrast, not to mention color of course. But I am content at this point to be satisfied with my Sharp and I will enjoy it, God willing, for many years to come. While the market goes on its roller coaster ride of 4K, OLED, 4K/OLED, 8K, 8K/OLED, and then of course the market will never stabilize and we will be in this perpetual cycle of constant TV innovation. Oh it's too much. Just buy a nice TV and enjoy the movies.
What? Watch movies??? Why watch movies when you can watch pixels?? There's so many more of them!!! (he said as he connected his calibration meter ... hey, patterns are fun too!)
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post #12636 of 13415
2/21/13 at 8:02am
Need advice, using calman 5, with the known cyan issue. Using saturation sweeps I have two choices. I can get cyan in spec (below 1) at 25%, 50% and 75% saturation. However, at 100% it is absolutely horrible. The delta is completely off the charts at 100% (cyan looks green). My second option is to get the delta barely under 8 at all four saturation points. My question, which is better, under 8 for all, or great at 25, 50 and 75%, but way out at 100%? Thanks!
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post #12637 of 13415
2/21/13 at 8:20am
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Originally Posted by AnotherDude View Post

What? Watch movies??? Why watch movies when you can watch pixels?? There's so many more of them!!! (he said as he connected his calibration meter ... hey, patterns are fun too!)
this made me chuckle...
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post #12638 of 13415
2/21/13 at 9:08am
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Originally Posted by gbrussell View Post

Searched back a few hundred posts and didn't see any mention, so apologies if this is a repeat.

The last few days when I use the Elite's Netflix app to watch Neftlix streaming content... the menu for selecting a movie looks normal and fills the whole TV. But any movie or TV show I select to view, it then displays the show like my TV were a 4:3 ratio. It's got vertical black bars on either side of the picture, and then the movie itself being high def and widescreen it then has more black bars top and bottom to keep it in its original ratio. So the show is ending up using probably not even half of the screen area.

I did find a TV menu option under System Options -> VIew Option -> View Mode where if I set it to "Auto" rather than "Original", it will fill the screen. But I get the impression that the Netflix App is serving up the smaller image and the TV is then stretching it and interpolating. It doesn't look as sharp of an image. Also confirmed if I view the same content on my laptop it's full screen automatically.

Anyone else seeing anything like this when using the built in Netflix App? I called Netflix support but they weren't familiar with it, said they see that with PS3s if the aspect ratio is set wrong, but that's about it. They didn't have anything on the Sharp Elite at all in their records. They had me log out and back in, but no joy. Going to try Elite support next but figured I'd check here as well.

Using Movie THX mode incidentally, same as I always have. Only change I've knowingly made to the TV's settings in the last year is changing the brightness for some video games.

I've not experienced this issue before but I've not been using my Elite for Netflix streaming for quite some time now, I use my Apple TV for that and Netflix looks way better btw f.y.i. Anyway I would suggest as well that you try Netflix through another device and see if it makes a difference, it could be that Netflix changed something minor on their end and didn't fell it was necessary to tell Sharp. cool.gif
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post #12639 of 13415
2/21/13 at 1:24pm
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Need advice, using calman 5, with the known cyan issue. Using saturation sweeps I have two choices. I can get cyan in spec (below 1) at 25%, 50% and 75% saturation. However, at 100% it is absolutely horrible. The delta is completely off the charts at 100% (cyan looks green). My second option is to get the delta barely under 8 at all four saturation points. My question, which is better, under 8 for all, or great at 25, 50 and 75%, but way out at 100%? Thanks!

Watch some actual content with cyan and decide for yourself. smile.gif I settled for 3-4 average dE for 25%-75% and just ignored 100%.

That's the issue with the Elite, very poor color tracking for most of the primaries and secondaries. You will need to make sacrifices at high saturation levels in order to bring low-mid levels closer to spec. :S Also need to view actual content after calibration to make sure the colors 'look' right.

This is what separates DIYers and professional calibrators. Some TVs can be perfect with lower than 1 dE on all points after a calibration but actual content reproduction does not reflect the calibration. Professionals can adjust the set knowing how a specific scene should look like based on experience. smile.gif
Edited by N3W813 - 2/21/13 at 1:30pm
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post #12640 of 13415
2/21/13 at 1:48pm
Just happening to be walking around my local best buy, they still had the 70 inch on display. The guy gave me the remote, the remote said Pioneer, The guy said the newer ones say Sharp.

1st, is that a true statement?, if so, then I assume the set on display is also been there a while. The guy said the set been there for a year.
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2/21/13 at 1:52pm
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Watch some actual content with cyan and decide for yourself. smile.gif I settled for 3-4 average dE for 25%-75% and just ignored 100%.

That's the issue with the Elite, very poor color tracking for most of the primaries and secondaries. You will need to make sacrifices at high saturation levels in order to bring low-mid levels closer to spec. :S Also need to view actual content after calibration to make sure the colors 'look' right.

This is what separates DIYers and professional calibrators. Some TVs can be perfect with lower than 1 dE on all points after a calibration but actual content reproduction does not reflect the calibration. Professionals can adjust the set knowing how a specific scene should look like based on experience. smile.gif

In general I would agree with ignoring 100% especially if there is no color clipping. Both of you might want to look into getting a Lumagen Radiance video processor and auto cal software. The 125 point 3D LUT fixed my cyan problems. Actual color points measured are 123. Measured de's from 25% thru 100% at 5% intervals all have de's less than 1.5 with exception of yellow at 35 & 40% and again at 60 & 65%. Yellow at those points is around 1.7 to 2.2 as I remember. Picture looks great.
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post #12642 of 13415
2/21/13 at 2:03pm
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In general I would agree with ignoring 100% especially if there is no color clipping. Both of you might want to look into getting a Lumagen Radiance video processor and auto cal software. The 125 point 3D LUT fixed my cyan problems. Actual color points measured are 123. Measured de's from 25% thru 100% at 5% intervals all have de's less than 1.5 with exception of yellow at 35 & 40% and again at 60 & 65%. Yellow at those points is around 1.7 to 2.2 as I remember. Picture looks great.

I've been eyeing the mini for quite some time now, "added to cart" many times, but can't seem to justify pulling the trigger on a $1k+ device to FIX the color issues of a TV that cost $6k. frown.gif (Wife is also a factor :P)

Since the majority of my viewing is playing videos from my HTPC, I am going research into using ArcgyllCMS + DispcalGUI to create a 3dlut file for color gamut correction via MadVR. When I actually find time to go through the process, I will definitely posts the results. smile.gif
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post #12643 of 13415
2/21/13 at 3:09pm
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Originally Posted by gtbdevs View Post

Just happening to be walking around my local best buy, they still had the 70 inch on display. The guy gave me the remote, the remote said Pioneer, The guy said the newer ones say Sharp.

1st, is that a true statement?, if so, then I assume the set on display is also been there a while. The guy said the set been there for a year.



After a lot of back and forth, was able to bring this home, can't wait to set it up, replacing a Sharp 70-847U.
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2/21/13 at 3:21pm
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After a lot of back and forth, was able to bring this home, can't wait to set it up, replacing a Sharp 70-847U.
congrats
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post #12645 of 13415
2/21/13 at 3:21pm
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After a lot of back and forth, was able to bring this home, can't wait to set it up, replacing a Sharp 70-847U.
congrats
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post #12646 of 13415
2/21/13 at 3:29pm
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congrats


Thanks, since it was a floor model, didn't get any information with it.

Where do I go to register this TV?

Thanks
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post #12647 of 13415
2/21/13 at 3:56pm
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Watch some actual content with cyan and decide for yourself. smile.gif I settled for 3-4 average dE for 25%-75% and just ignored 100%.

That's the issue with the Elite, very poor color tracking for most of the primaries and secondaries. You will need to make sacrifices at high saturation levels in order to bring low-mid levels closer to spec. :S Also need to view actual content after calibration to make sure the colors 'look' right.

This is what separates DIYers and professional calibrators. Some TVs can be perfect with lower than 1 dE on all points after a calibration but actual content reproduction does not reflect the calibration. Professionals can adjust the set knowing how a specific scene should look like based on experience. smile.gif

This is by far the very best my TV has ever looked. Colors look very good, nicely saturated (thanks to your 75/75 advice), but very natural. I think I'll go with 25, 50 & 75 on the money, 100 cyan out the roof. I can get all colors good at 25, 50 and 75. 100% not so much. I guess it's real hard to dial in something non-linear. wink.gif I did the best I could do. Very happy with grayscale, gamma and color temp too. Thanks again for all your help!
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post #12648 of 13415
2/21/13 at 4:33pm
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Just happening to be walking around my local best buy, they still had the 70 inch on display. The guy gave me the remote, the remote said Pioneer, The guy said the newer ones say Sharp.

1st, is that a true statement?, if so, then I assume the set on display is also been there a while. The guy said the set been there for a year.
My remote says "Elite"
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2/21/13 at 5:14pm
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Thanks, since it was a floor model, didn't get any information with it.

Where do I go to register this TV?

Thanks

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2/21/13 at 5:24pm
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Originally Posted by gtbdevs View Post

Just happening to be walking around my local best buy, they still had the 70 inch on display. The guy gave me the remote, the remote said Pioneer, The guy said the newer ones say Sharp.

1st, is that a true statement?, if so, then I assume the set on display is also been there a while. The guy said the set been there for a year.

No. I have a November 2012 build (and its great btw) and my remote says Elite on the bottom. Sharp is nowhere to be found on the remote and only on one sticker on the back. Unless you're an A/V geek, you probably would never know Sharp had anything to do with this set.

The old Elites use the same codes as the new ones so I'm not surprised a pioneer remote could control a 70X5FD.
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2/21/13 at 5:30pm
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Thanks..
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2/21/13 at 5:32pm
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No. I have a November 2012 build (and its great btw) and my remote says Elite on the bottom. Sharp is nowhere to be found on the remote and only on one sticker on the back. Unless you're an A/V geek, you probably would never know Sharp had anything to do with this set.

The old Elites use the same codes as the new ones so I'm not surprised a pioneer remote could control a 70X5FD.


I also just noticed that this remote doesn't have the netflix button. Is there any way to tell the build date of the TV, no box, just a lot of bubble rap..
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post #12653 of 13415
2/21/13 at 6:00pm
You could call Sharp and give them the serial number. Whoever is selling it apparently has misplaced the original factory one. You might want to see if they can give a greater discount (and order a factory one with the savings).
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2/21/13 at 6:25pm
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Originally Posted by Sick Mother View Post

You could call Sharp and give them the serial number. Whoever is selling it apparently has misplaced the original factory one. You might want to see if they can give a greater discount (and order a factory one with the savings).


Thanks again, I did buy it, from BB.
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post #12655 of 13415
2/21/13 at 9:13pm
Here's my current 3D Color Cube LUT calibration chart for my Radiance ...

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2/22/13 at 5:09am
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Here's my current 3D Color Cube LUT calibration chart for my Radiance ...


Excellant results!!
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2/22/13 at 9:26am
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Originally Posted by gtbdevs View Post

Just happening to be walking around my local best buy, they still had the 70 inch on display. The guy gave me the remote, the remote said Pioneer, The guy said the newer ones say Sharp.

1st, is that a true statement?, if so, then I assume the set on display is also been there a while. The guy said the set been there for a year.
That is the wrong remote, they must have lost the original remote. The original remote part number is GA937WJSA.
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2/22/13 at 10:52am
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Here's my current 3D Color Cube LUT calibration chart for my Radiance ...


I hate you.....tongue.gif
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post #12659 of 13415
2/22/13 at 11:53am
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That is the wrong remote, they must have lost the original remote. The original remote part number is GA937WJSA.


Thanks, I went back to BB, they are going to order the remote for me.

Only had this since yesterday, but I can definetly agree to all the postive reviews on this set.
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2/22/13 at 11:59am
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Originally Posted by N3W813 View Post

Watch some actual content with cyan and decide for yourself. smile.gif I settled for 3-4 average dE for 25%-75% and just ignored 100%.

That's the issue with the Elite, very poor color tracking for most of the primaries and secondaries. You will need to make sacrifices at high saturation levels in order to bring low-mid levels closer to spec. :S Also need to view actual content after calibration to make sure the colors 'look' right.

This is what separates DIYers and professional calibrators. Some TVs can be perfect with lower than 1 dE on all points after a calibration but actual content reproduction does not reflect the calibration. Professionals can adjust the set knowing how a specific scene should look like based on experience. smile.gif

I did a 70" on Tuesday this week. I don't even attempt calibrating at 100% saturation anymore, rather use 75% saturation, 75% luminance. This brings luminance in at about 50% of full 100% white and it's where you want to be. 100% saturation will be off but you'll get much closer to correct where the vast majority of content lies.



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Originally Posted by dsinger View Post

In general I would agree with ignoring 100% especially if there is no color clipping. Both of you might want to look into getting a Lumagen Radiance video processor and auto cal software. The 125 point 3D LUT fixed my cyan problems. Actual color points measured are 123. Measured de's from 25% thru 100% at 5% intervals all have de's less than 1.5 with exception of yellow at 35 & 40% and again at 60 & 65%. Yellow at those points is around 1.7 to 2.2 as I remember. Picture looks great.

You can do better still with an eeColor Processor or SpectraCal ColorBox - actually, they're the same thing. The very best LUTs are produced by LightSpace software using 4913 color points for the profile, but if you have CalMAN Cube ability you can choose something like this for much more accuracy than the 125 point profile. You can choose any dE you like and really work it down.



This yields the attached report. Not from an Elite, however, as I've had no requests for Elite 3D LUTs yet - their loss....

CM LUT4 AdvancedColorManagementReport_AVS.pdf 373k .pdf file

You can get eeBoxes from me for only six hundred bucks. Contact me through NaplesDisplayCalibration dot com
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