or Connect
AVS › AVS Forum › Display Devices › LCD Flat Panel Displays › Official Sharp Elite PRO-70X5 and 60X5 Owners Thread
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Official Sharp Elite PRO-70X5 and 60X5 Owners Thread - Page 424

post #12691 of 14509
Quote:
Originally Posted by alebrady View Post

so, im on my 4th set (had issues with the previous 3, including the worst offender which actually was a serial 108xxxx - go figure!) but am curious about one thing that is popping up.

i am trying to use my Disney Wow disc to do some rudimentary settings until i get a full calibration done.

when doing the advanced contrast test, on all the other sets the final setting would be somewhere around 25-30. on this particular set, i can go all the way to 39 before the Ideal Star disappears - should this raise any alarm bells that i have almost exhausted the useable adjustment range of 40? again, only reason it seems weird is none of the other other sets had to go that high before the Ideal Star disappeared.

this is in THX mode, Low temp setting if that matters.

thanks!




What type of issues did you have? Did they send a tech out? Where did you buy it from?
post #12692 of 14509
Quote:
Originally Posted by dsinger View Post

I do most of my calibration in a Lumagen Radiance but to get white temp closer to 6500K I used the sets hi/lo adjustments. Then used the Radiance's 21 point gamma/grayscale not the set's 10 point. Perhaps, I misunderstood your question, but with the set in THX and color set to low the hi/lo changes got close to 6500 and blue was not an issue.

Cool, that makes sense. I don't have a Lumagen. When trying a 10 point grayscale run I have all of blue's 10 points set to their lowest setting, yet I cannot get blue low enough. I have red on the high end, green near the low end, blue at the bottom, yet blue is too high when checking grayscale via Calman5. That is why I'm asking if I can bring down blue via the service menu. I found the RGB_A gains and RGB offsets within the service menu, just not sure if lowering B_A gain will bring down the TV's overall blue. Anyone know? Thx
post #12693 of 14509
Quote:
Originally Posted by hutchinshouse View Post

I'm using THX. When selecting 10 point grayscale I don't have a color temp option. The only time I see a color temp option is when selecting 2 point grayscale. 10 point does not have a color temp option. Am I missing something?
De-select 10-point, then select the color temp mode, then re-select 10 point. Why it's that way, go figure rolleyes.gif .
post #12694 of 14509
Quote:
Originally Posted by AnotherDude View Post

De-select 10-point, then select the color temp mode, then re-select 10 point. Why it's that way, go figure rolleyes.gif .

I just checked, I have it set to color temp "low" already. :-(
post #12695 of 14509
Hi

this question is for people in this thread that have had their elite professionally calibrated: Is your gamma at -1 or 0?

I had mine done , however the calibrator made some final adjustments at the end of his work that didnt make it onto the setting document forwarded to me by email. The report says -1 but by TV was at 0 when i compared as a final check everything matched the report. He lives pretty far away so I wont be able to have him check which is correct in a while. I have Disney wow disc and tried to check myself , I read however on this forum the gamma test on this disc is not accurate.

thanks in advance
post #12696 of 14509
Quote:
Originally Posted by slyboogy View Post

Hi

this question is for people in this thread that have had their elite professionally calibrated: Is your gamma at -1 or 0?

My 60" was calibrated by David Abrams from Avical and after calibration the gamma is set to zero.
post #12697 of 14509
Elite's Movie THX mode should calibrate close to gamma 2.2 if changes in the 10-point white balance are close to being linear.

There is actually no one 'correct' setting; you will need to find out what your calibrator set his gamma target to and the setting he used to reach that target.
post #12698 of 14509
Quote:
Originally Posted by gtbdevs View Post

What type of issues did you have? Did they send a tech out? Where did you buy it from?

usual green and red discoloration. one set also had a dead pixel. not tech was necessary, as the issues were plainly obvious. purchased through Magnolia.

anyone have any thoughts on my Contrast question?

thanks!
post #12699 of 14509
I'm having my 70 delivered Tuesday. I will need to test screen uniformity. It's an August 2011 build. I'm eligible for a free calibration by best buy. Will they run color slides or is that something I will need to do on my own?
post #12700 of 14509
Quote:
Originally Posted by drexelspivey View Post

I'm having my 70 delivered Tuesday. I will need to test screen uniformity. It's an August 2011 build. I'm eligible for a free calibration by best buy. Will they run color slides or is that something I will need to do on my own?

The calibrator should have everything he/she required to do a calibration. You should not be expected to provide anything.

FWIW, if you want your set correctly calibrated, don't waste your time with a BB calibration. See if you can get a store credit for not doing the calibration. :P

Instead, get one from an experienced professional on these forums. smile.gif
post #12701 of 14509
New calibrated Movie THX settings for my Nov12 set. For this calibration, I used a 2.4 gamma target and a higher overall output, hence the higher backlight setting. These settings raise the black level just a tiny bit but provides a much better 'pop' to the image. For a dimly to moderately lit room. The higher APL may be too bright for a fully darkened room but you are welcome to try. smile.gif



*This method was taken from a discussion thread by PlasmaZ580(sp?) and ChadB in the Calibration forum.
post #12702 of 14509
Hi all,
I've been lurking in this forum since May 2012 when I first got seriously interested in the Elite. Countless hours was spent reading up here and elsewhere and badgering the guys at my local BB. After a 1st attempt to negotiate the tv to a palatable price I had to walk away due to not being as affordable as I wanted, and not having my ducks in order. The next few paragraphs is my story, you can skip that if you like but please see my questions near the end.

Several months pass and as my situation improved I began looking at TVs again and tuned to the VT50 and HX950. My brother has a VT30 and I figured if the PQ on that was acceptable then the VT50 and later ZT60 has to be even better. Coming from a Sony XBR5 and a 36XBR400 before that, I always had a soft spot for Sony. I walked into the Sony style store and look around, I wasn't impressed. SOE was distracting, and even with processors were turned off, it seemed everything was blurred. Egg shaped golf balls, people moving looked as if they has Sonic the Hedgehog shadow trails all over. I generally wasn't impressed. So I was set and intent on getting the VT50 since price reductions made it a great buy or ZT60 if I could have waited longer.

I walk in to the local BB and bam there it is sitting where it always is and i get drawn to it, the 70"elite. It reminded me of how glorious the gold spinning dragon and night city scapes were. I turned to look at the VT50 for a second, then recalled my family room. Too many windows and lots of potential for the plasma to get washed out. Next I noticed the price tag on the elite, they dropped it beyond their usual $7000 sale price. I ask the guy what the deal is an he informs me the elite has been discontinued and that they are unloading the floor model. My interest perk up even more, so I do a quick visual check. No physical nicks or dings to the case, and 99.9% of the finger smudges on it wiped off easily.

I walk out of there and come to this forum to catch up on the news: nov2012 issues, IR loss, cyan issues, pulsing, etc. I almost get cold feet. I go back the next day and reexamine the set, no green or pink blotches, I look at the serial #, 206xxxxxx! So it's only 6-8 months old, not the 1.5 years I was figuring to estimate the LED light wear. I softly negotiate the sales guy. He knew me from my first visits back in May, and after I reminded him, he remembered the price point I was gunning for back then. He disappears comes back and say, we can do it, but you will have to get the PP. I balk, saying the plan is too much $. Why couldn't you just sell it to me for my price, and let me decide later on the plan. He goes away again and comes back. Done! They bubble wrap the set and I bring it home.

Looking back, i know i probably over paid for a floor model, seeing that some people paid the same for a brand new boxed set. I didnt feel like negotiating hard, and wasnt sure how serious i was at the time. I feel better knowing i dont need to play panel lotto, and even with the usage this thing had gotten, it only serves to advance any engineered failures to hopefully occur within my warraties or protection plans. An added bonus was they found a brand new remote under the media stand, still in the elite instruction box. They gave that to me as well as the grimey remote that everyone has been beating up and two boxed 3D glasses.

I get it home clean it up and fire the baby up.

My jaw is lost on the floor under the sofa somewhere. It looks better in home than in store. I play with the menus a bit, reset a few items get it out of the retail torch mode and punch in newbies settings; glorious. I never liked Thx calibrated screens before due to the muted, washed out look, but with this set up the colors have enough pop for me to keep it as the full time every content type setting.

Despite a few flaws being the floor model: scuffed up stand, no worries, I'm going to wall mount it. 1 dead yellow sub pixel, I can't see it from the sofa and its only visible from 12 inches and on all white scenes. Small 3mm x 3mm scuff on the anti reflective coating that does not come off, again cannot be detected from sofa. I love the set, and after canvassing the area BBs, the other 70" elites were in worse condition than this. one had 3 dead pixels, scuffed up stand and the other had nicks and dents all over the bezel.

So I am keeping the elite. I am training myself to stop looking for issues and enjoying my elite. Some one could make a ton of cash starting up a 12 step program of sorts to curb OCD toward gadgets. Thanks to all the great people and your posts in here. Lots of good info and knowledge floating around. If a picture is worth a thousand words, there aren't enough to describe the one on an elite.

So to bug you all a little more, my questions,
1) I registered my set on the elitelcdtv site. I recall reading here that some were offered an extended warranty from sharp via email. How long did it take for that email to come in? Do you think given their current state, they may not be offering that anymore? Is the service, if they still have it, any better than BB's $700 5 year plan or the $99 3 year extension plan from Costco?
2) when I first turn on the set, the screen lights up with a black screen where it seems the back lights are on full blast and I can see clouding/light bleed all over. Then when it picks up my receivers signal, it tones down to the normal glorious black levels that we know. Is that normal? Should I be concerned with the clouding during that instant as something that could be a problem later?
3) how do I get into the service menu? I don't care to change anything there, but I read there is a way to view the number of running hours on the set in there. It seems accessing that menu is somewhat taboo both here and throughout the Internet, as no google search I have done revealed any answers. Why is that?
4) is there a master reset for the tv? I've gone into the menus and hit the reset option where ever I've seen it, but there are several resets to be done, and i dont know if i've hit all of them. is there an all encompassing reset to get everything to factory defaults and rid the set of any polluted settings done by BB or customers that have toyed with it in store?

Thanks again to all that contribute here.

-Patrick
post #12703 of 14509
Quote:
Originally Posted by drexelspivey View Post

I just bought a 70'' floor model for $4100 from my local best buy. It will be delivered Tuesday. It's an older build (serial #108811824) with a lot of hours, but I'm hoping any screen issues are minor compared to some of the Nov sets. I have 60 days to like or return it, although for the price I paid I really hope it's a keeper.
WOW ! Thats a nice deal wink.gif
post #12704 of 14509
Bluez3,

I don't know about the other questions, but I can tell you my set also has very light black for the first 2-3 seconds before it goes near jet black. If you see no issues with normal content I wouldn't be concerned.
post #12705 of 14509
Bluez3, I too have some clouding, along with some dse issues, but if your set is like mine, then you should be fine. I rarely notice the dse issues, unless I'm looking for them, and the clouding I never notice (with local dimming on) even when looking.
post #12706 of 14509
Quote:
Originally Posted by N3W813 View Post

New calibrated Movie THX settings for my Nov12 set. For this calibration, I used a 2.4 gamma target and a higher overall output, hence the higher backlight setting. These settings raise the black level just a tiny bit but provides a much better 'pop' to the image. For a dimly to moderately lit room. The higher APL may be too bright for a fully darkened room but you are welcome to try. smile.gif



*This method was taken from a discussion thread by PlasmaZ580(sp?) and ChadB in the Calibration forum.

Hey Newbie - Thanks again for posting all of your settings.

I'm a little confused with this newest set though as the 10 pt setting has been switched off compared to your earlier calibration. From your explanation it's clear you were targetting black levels this time around, but I'm wondering if/how colour accuracy has been impacted? Are both results equally close to reference? I'm sure there's as much art as there is science to calibration, and I could just try the new settings and see if I like them better, but I would prefer to stick with the "more accurate" settings (notwithstanding the Elite's issues with cyan). I'd get a professional calibration, but I've described here before my inability to find a calibrator willing to do the ISF modes on the TV.

Cheers,
JD
post #12707 of 14509
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sick Mother View Post

Bluez3,

I don't know about the other questions, but I can tell you my set also has very light black for the first 2-3 seconds before it goes near jet black. If you see no issues with normal content I wouldn't be concerned.

Same here, my set does that when I first turn it on. But no problems once the content is actually showing. I wouldn't worry about it.
post #12708 of 14509
Quote:
Originally Posted by jd_alpha View Post

Hey Newbie - Thanks again for posting all of your settings.

I'm a little confused with this newest set though as the 10 pt setting has been switched off compared to your earlier calibration.

For the new settings, I decided to use 2-point grayscale because it gets me very close to the same results I would get when using 10-point. Saves me some time during calibration.
Quote:
From your explanation it's clear you were targetting black levels this time around, but I'm wondering if/how colour accuracy has been impacted? Are both results equally close to reference? I'm sure there's as much art as there is science to calibration, and I could just try the new settings and see if I like them better, but I would prefer to stick with the "more accurate" settings (notwithstanding the Elite's issues with cyan).

Yes, these setting are as close to reference as I can get them on MY Nov 12 set. There is no way I can say which set of settings will look "more accurate" on your set. Just try them out and see which set you like better. If you decide you want "accurate" settings for your set, you will need to get your set professional calibrated. smile.gif
Quote:
I'd get a professional calibration, but I've described here before my inability to find a calibrator willing to do the ISF modes on the TV.

There are plenty of calibrators that can calibrate the Elite's ISF modes. wink.gif Did you trying searching or posting in the forum thread below??
http://www.avsforum.com/t/586330/isf-calibrators-where-are-you-located-please-post-here
post #12709 of 14509
Quote:
Originally Posted by bluez3 View Post

...

1) I registered my set on the elitelcdtv site. I recall reading here that some were offered an extended warranty from sharp via email. How long did it take for that email to come in? Do you think given their current state, they may not be offering that anymore? Is the service, if they still have it, any better than BB's $700 5 year plan or the $99 3 year extension plan from Costco?
2) when I first turn on the set, the screen lights up with a black screen where it seems the back lights are on full blast and I can see clouding/light bleed all over. Then when it picks up my receivers signal, it tones down to the normal glorious black levels that we know. Is that normal? Should I be concerned with the clouding during that instant as something that could be a problem later?
3) how do I get into the service menu? I don't care to change anything there, but I read there is a way to view the number of running hours on the set in there. It seems accessing that menu is somewhat taboo both here and throughout the Internet, as no google search I have done revealed any answers. Why is that?
4) is there a master reset for the tv? I've gone into the menus and hit the reset option where ever I've seen it, but there are several resets to be done, and i dont know if i've hit all of them. is there an all encompassing reset to get everything to factory defaults and rid the set of any polluted settings done by BB or customers that have toyed with it in store?

Thanks again to all that contribute here.

-Patrick
For reference, I got mine beginning of Dec 2011 from Cleveland Plasma (really, Chris, you should change that name to Cleveland TVs or something rolleyes.gif ) and it's a Sept 2011 build.

1) Took some months before they sent it, didn't buy it, got another offer a month ago. Might check it out, but have no clue what the terms are.

2) Same here.

3) Service Menu
Unplug TV.
Hold down Vol- and Input on the panel (not the remote), plug TV in
Wait until K shows up
Release Vol- and Input
Press Vol- and Ch<<br /> Service menu should show up.

4) Try this:

Once in the service menu go the first entry on the second page labelled "Industry init". Use the right arrow on the remote to change "no" to "yes" and then hit enter. The "yes" changes to a bunch of slashes and in a moment the initial page comes back with a bright green background and a message at the top saying something like "industry init successful." Then unplug the TV and plug it back in again.

Enjoy your set!
post #12710 of 14509
just got off the phone with elite support,the update is not for the cyan or pulsing(flickering issue)unfortunately,they told me there still working on it,this update was for the sets that were not powering back on and had to be resetthe dreamhost web hosting
Edited by ackergwj - 3/27/13 at 6:26pm
post #12711 of 14509
Quote:
Originally Posted by dsinger View Post

I do most of my calibration in a Lumagen Radiance but to get white temp closer to 6500K I used the sets hi/lo adjustments. Then used the Radiance's 21 point gamma/grayscale not the set's 10 point. Perhaps, I misunderstood your question, but with the set in THX and color set to low the hi/lo changes got close to 6500 and blue was not an issue.

When using the Lumagen do you set all TV settings to default (other than hi/lo)? When using hi/lo what patterns you using, 30/80? I'm thinking of getting the mini. Looks like a solid chunk of cool gear! Last question, does the Lumagen have auto power on and off? Thx
post #12712 of 14509
Quote:
Originally Posted by hutchinshouse View Post

When using the Lumagen do you set all TV settings to default (other than hi/lo)? When using hi/lo what patterns you using, 30/80? I'm thinking of getting the mini. Looks like a solid chunk of cool gear! Last question, does the Lumagen have auto power on and off? Thx

Small changes to backlight, brightness and contrast to set these correctly leaving Radiances black and white at 0. Small changes to the set's overall color and tint to try to fix an undersaturated red. Did 21 point grayscale/gamma in Chromapure/Radiance to see initial color temp and gamma and 100% FL level. Then went to set's hi/lo's thru trial and error to get closer to 6500. Note that I am doing manual calibration not auto cal. With auto cal you would set brightness, contrast etc and the Radiance/calibration software would do the rest. The Lumagen site has info on their recommended sequence of steps. I think the Radiance has an auto on/off setting but I like almost all other users leave it on all the time. Electrical usage is minimal (.5 watts/hr?) You will love the Radiance and Lumagen's customer service.
post #12713 of 14509
Quote:
Originally Posted by dsinger View Post

Small changes to backlight, brightness and contrast to set these correctly leaving Radiances black and white at 0. Small changes to the set's overall color and tint to try to fix an undersaturated red. Did 21 point grayscale/gamma in Chromapure/Radiance to see initial color temp and gamma and 100% FL level. Then went to set's hi/lo's thru trial and error to get closer to 6500. Note that I am doing manual calibration not auto cal. With auto cal you would set brightness, contrast etc and the Radiance/calibration software would do the rest. The Lumagen site has info on their recommended sequence of steps. I think the Radiance has an auto on/off setting but I like almost all other users leave it on all the time. Electrical usage is minimal (.5 watts/hr?) You will love the Radiance and Lumagen's customer service.

Awesome, thanks for your info.
post #12714 of 14509
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sick Mother View Post

Bluez3,

I don't know about the other questions, but I can tell you my set also has very light black for the first 2-3 seconds before it goes near jet black. If you see no issues with normal content I wouldn't be concerned.

+ 1
post #12715 of 14509
sick mom, gene wild, gbrussel, another dude, ad10ad,

thank you all for your responses. glad to know others see this initial clouding also. it definitely does not show up during regular viewing, and does not appear when using all black test slides.



hi another dude,
the "industry init" you describe, i am guessing you have done it on your set before.

does it kill any panel specific adjustments made by the technicians at the factory to compensate for LCD panel variations during manufacture? should i write down values in the menus before i do this? this level of reset seems a lot more potent than a consumer level reset that i would figure should have been accessible in the standard menus.

maybe i won't do that just yet. i'd hate to kill my set by resetting too much. i did that once to my XBR400 once, and it was a pain to get all the screen geometry adjustments of the CRT back to the way the set was delivered in the box.

thanks.
Edited by bluez3 - 2/26/13 at 1:14pm
post #12716 of 14509
bluez3, to tell the truth I don't really know. I did it a long time ago and didn't notice anything bad happening. I think it was from somewhere in this thread. I'll see if I can dig up where it came from.

Edit:

OK, I found this post which is the same but looks for "factory init" smile.gif

Factory Init
Edited by AnotherDude - 2/26/13 at 4:28pm
post #12717 of 14509
Thanks. I got to see what I wanted in the service menu, I think will leave the thing alone.

Interesting discovery, center acutime is 42 hours, backlight acutime is 347 hours. Backlight seems self explanatory but what is center acutime a measure of and why would it differ that greatly from the backlight time? I doubt any one at BB would have the foresight to reset these timers. Even if I took the worst of the two numbers, this still indicates to me that the tv is a lot younger than I had anticipated.
post #12718 of 14509
Quote:
just got off the phone with elite support,the update is not for the cyan or pulsing(flickering issue)unfortunately,they told me there still working on it,this update was for the sets that were not powering back on and had to be reset

Which update are you talking about? the one from last August? The update from last August is version 2.19; I cannot find what has been fixed in there nor a list of all previous updates. Did they say when there will be another update?
post #12719 of 14509
Does anyone here know if the ARC HDMI will Pass The HD Blu-Ray Codecs to a yamaha sound Bar that is able to handle these, or is Dolby Digital the limit ? I have a Oppo BR that has 2 HDMI out so I can use one of these straight to the sound bar, but if the Sharp will pass them on VIA ARC HDMI that would be nice.
Thanks,
Glen
post #12720 of 14509
I just received my 70 (floor model) and have some questions.

What do you recommend for cleaning screen smudges? Damp microfiber cloth?

I get small black bars (approx 1/8 inch) on some 1:85 aspect Blu-ray discs. Is this normal? Is there a fix?

Time Warner Cable does not look all that impressive. Anyone else agree? How does picture look with DTV?
I plan to have it professionally calibrated so I anticipate the picture will improve even with a TWC source.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: LCD Flat Panel Displays
AVS › AVS Forum › Display Devices › LCD Flat Panel Displays › Official Sharp Elite PRO-70X5 and 60X5 Owners Thread