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post #12721 of 14509
Drexel, congrats on an excellent set.

The best "cleaner" is distilled water on a microfiber cloth. Never use chemicals.

You will be seeing black bars on certain movies. It is dependent upon the aspect ratio. Movies like The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight rises even change during the movie. The IMAX footage image quality is second to none, looking even better than the rest of the film.

Cable picture quality in general varies greatly from channel to channel and even show to show. Don't judge the TV on cable. A reference, calibrated set gives you what you give it. The old saying "garbage in, garbage out" applies here.

The Elites were made to be calibrated, and this set in particular can be challenging for a few reasons, so unless you're quite experienced in calibration I would definitely leave it to a pro.

Good luck.

John
post #12722 of 14509
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Originally Posted by drexelspivey View Post

I just received my 70 (floor model) and have some questions.

What do you recommend for cleaning screen smudges? Damp microfiber cloth?

I get small black bars (approx 1/8 inch) on some 1:85 aspect Blu-ray discs. Is this normal? Is there a fix?

Time Warner Cable does not look all that impressive. Anyone else agree? How does picture look with DTV?
I plan to have it professionally calibrated so I anticipate the picture will improve even with a TWC source.

Distilled water and microfiber cloth is the best way to clean the screen. As for your cable question, I recently got rid of comcast cable in favor of DirecTV. DirecTV looks a lot better imo, but it really depends on your specific cable company, and how much they compress their service.
post #12723 of 14509
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Originally Posted by drexelspivey View Post

What do you recommend for cleaning screen smudges? Damp microfiber cloth?
Yes but no more than slightly damp.
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I get small black bars (approx 1/8 inch) on some 1:85 aspect Blu-ray discs. Is this normal? Is there a fix?
Your display is 16 by 9. If you divide 16 by 9 you get 1.78. So your screen has an aspect ratio (width to height) of 1.78:1. Movies and HDTV sources come in that same aspect ratio. In the case of movies, played from shiny disks, there are several other aspect ratios that are used. Among them are the old CRT TV and old movie aspect ratio of 1.33:1(4 by 3). That produces black bars on each side of your screen with a 4 by 3 image in the center.

A 1.85:1 aspect ratio on shiny disk movies will cause very slim black bars at the top and bottom of your screen. Since the movie is slightly wider than your screen the black bars are very thin. The images in the center is the correct aspect ratio for that movie.

If you play a shiny disk movie that has an aspect ratio of 2.35:1 then the black bars will be much wider at the top and bottom of your screen.

If you want to see the best image possible, then the black bars allow you to see movies with the image that the director intended. Any adjustment (stretch or zoom) that you make to get rid of aspect ratio related black bars will either cause distortion, a softer images, or both.

As long as you watch a mix of sources the black bars will not damage your plasma display. I've been referring to shiny disk movies because the movies you see on TV are frequently cropped or padded to fill your screen.
Edited by htwaits - 2/27/13 at 7:34pm
post #12724 of 14509
hi drexelspivey,

i too got a floor model. i used a puffer brush that i use on camera lenses first to make sure there weren't any particles on the screen. its a floor model, who knows what dust and dirt could get kicked up by people in the store.

then since there was a fresh one in the 3d glasses box, i used the white micro fiber it came with and only the moisture in my breath. the slight heat along with the fog of your breath is enough to break down most oily finger prints. i do this for my laptop screens, and jump from 13 to 70 inches is a beast to clean in this method. its ok if people laugh and think i am nuts. i got enough hell from my buddies that helped my carry it into the house when they saw me doing this. to me, this set is like a precious jewel, and i treat it as such like i do my other gadgets and toys.

all smudges came out except for one small one which i suspect is a scuff on the anti reflective coating. there was no texture to the mark when i lightly run a finger nail across it, so i dont think it is deep enought to be a scratch. i can't see it from normal viewing, so i left it alone.

after the screen, i used the same cloth on the bezel and stand. but do the bottom plastic strip that has the IR sensors/emitters etc. with a fresh cloth and use the puffer brush first. i learned the hard way and should have known better, but it is soft plastic that catches swirl marks very easily.

i used medium tact packaging tape to remove the adhesive from their price tag holders and store sales stickers that was stuck to it.

comcast cable in my area is horrible, they still have the old blue and yellow menu interface and it looks like the picture is made of stacked legos. blue-ray is where the thing shines. i plan on getting mine calibrated also, but i wouldn't expect an improvement to the cable feed. if anything calibration i think will only improve the trueness of the colors of the lego blocks but not remove the LBE (lego brick effect) entirely.

good luck, enjoy the set.

-patrick
post #12725 of 14509
For some people here who would like to know. ARC will only send 2.0 pcm or DD/DTS out from the TV VIA the ARC (Audio Return Channel). This means that if you have a AV Reciever or Sound Bar that has the capabilities to Decode the HD Codecs from Blu-Ray It will have to be supplied directly from the Component that is sending the signal.
So in this case if ARC were hooked up to a Display that has ARC it would only be used for interaction Control from a single Remote.
If the ARC would of have Passed all info receiving it sure would of cut down on a lot of cabling.
post #12726 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Sick Mother View Post


The best "cleaner" is distilled water on a microfiber cloth. Never use chemicals.
Yep +1
post #12727 of 14509
Brand and source recommendations for getting another 1-2 pairs of 3D glasses?
post #12728 of 14509
I got 2 addtional sets from Best Buy. The Elite glasses for $59.99 each.
post #12729 of 14509
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Originally Posted by 760rapta View Post

Brand and source recommendations for getting another 1-2 pairs of 3D glasses?

These are smaller, but less expensive. They are ok if you don't wear glasses. I'd suggest staying with the Sharp specs.
AN-3DG30
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Sharp---Rechargeable-Active-Shutter-3D-Glasses/6667503.p?id=1218770736844&skuId=6667503



AN3DG20EL
I received 2 pair of these from Sharp and they work perfectly with my lc70le847u...
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Elite+-+3D+Glasses/3294716.p?id=1218394223859&skuId=3294716


AN3DG20B
These are exactly like the Elite glasses - the only difference is that there is a Sharp logo on them. I think these are approaching end of life status. I picked up 2 pair from a Sears that was closing here in Pittsburgh for $41 each. Get 'em while you can...
http://www.amazon.com/Sharp-AN3DG20B-3D-Glasses-Black-Single/dp/B005JABSB6
post #12730 of 14509
Here's the link to the actual Elite glasses at Best Buy. You will need to check stores near you as they do not ship from Best Buy.com.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Elite+-+3D+Glasses/3294716.p?id=1218394223859&skuId=3294716&st=elite 3d glasses&cp=1&lp=1
post #12731 of 14509
Anybody at any Best Buy can order those for you. If you have a Mag store in your area, they might be available on the shelf.
post #12732 of 14509
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Originally Posted by dsinger View Post

In general I would agree with ignoring 100% especially if there is no color clipping. Both of you might want to look into getting a Lumagen Radiance video processor and auto cal software. The 125 point 3D LUT fixed my cyan problems. Actual color points measured are 123. Measured de's from 25% thru 100% at 5% intervals all have de's less than 1.5 with exception of yellow at 35 & 40% and again at 60 & 65%. Yellow at those points is around 1.7 to 2.2 as I remember. Picture looks great.

My Lumagen Radiance Mini3D is now on order. Yahooooo! biggrin.gif
post #12733 of 14509
posted the below earlier but never got any response - does anyone have any idea?? makes me nervous when i am at an extreme range of an adjustable range.

original question:

i am trying to use my Disney Wow disc to do some rudimentary settings until i get a full calibration done.

when doing the advanced contrast test, on all the other sets the final contrast setting would be somewhere around 25-30 on the 40pt scale. on this particular set, i have to set the contrast to 39 out of 40 before the Ideal Star disappears - should this raise any alarm bells that i have almost exhausted the useable adjustment range of 40 for the contrast?? again, only reason it seems weird is none of the other other sets had to go that high before the Ideal Star disappeared.

this is in THX mode, Low temp setting if that matters.

thanks![/quote]
post #12734 of 14509
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Originally Posted by alebrady View Post

posted the below earlier but never got any response - does anyone have any idea?? makes me nervous when i am at an extreme range of an adjustable range.

original question:

i am trying to use my Disney Wow disc to do some rudimentary settings until i get a full calibration done.

when doing the advanced contrast test, on all the other sets the final contrast setting would be somewhere around 25-30 on the 40pt scale. on this particular set, i have to set the contrast to 39 out of 40 before the Ideal Star disappears - should this raise any alarm bells that i have almost exhausted the useable adjustment range of 40 for the contrast?? again, only reason it seems weird is none of the other other sets had to go that high before the Ideal Star disappeared.

this is in THX mode, Low temp setting if that matters.

thanks!
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I'm no expert, I think that is normal for the Sharp Elite. The Elite has tons of "headroom". Real hard to clip whites on this TV. Set contrast to 32 and forget about it until you have it calibrated. FYI- I have the wow disc too. I cannot clip whites on that star pattern. Your TV is fine. Peace
post #12735 of 14509
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Originally Posted by hutchinshouse View Post


I'm no expert, I think that is normal for the Sharp Elite. The Elite has tons of "headroom". Real hard to clip whites on this TV. Set contrast to 32 and forget about it until you have it calibrated. FYI- I have the wow disc too. I cannot clip whites on that star pattern. Your TV is fine. Peace[/quote]

cool, thanks a lot - so having a set where i can go that high on the contrast (or that has this headroom) doesnt mean my blacks are inherently less dark or anything like that?
post #12736 of 14509
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Originally Posted by alebrady View Post

cool, thanks a lot - so having a set where i can go that high on the contrast (or that has this headroom) doesnt mean my blacks are inherently less dark or anything like that?

Nope, the Elite has the darkest blacks and best contrast ratio based upon the 2011 and 2012 HDTV flagship shootout.

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-20118503-221/sharp-elite-wins-value-electronics-hdtv-shootout/


http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57439424-221/panasonic-vt50-wins-value-electronics-2012-tv-picture-quality-shootout/

The Elite along with the Lumagen video processor will be a very tough cookie to beat.
Edited by hutchinshouse - 3/3/13 at 12:04pm
post #12737 of 14509
thanks hutch - yes, i know the elite, in general, has excellent blacks.

just wondering if my particular set which can go much higher on the contrast scale means its inherently brighter or has less darks than any other elite.
post #12738 of 14509
I posted on the Elite pricing thread but no answer so far. My local BB offered me a 60" floor model Elite for $3700 with full factory warranty and the new 15 day return policy. Has anyone bought a 60" for less or is anyone aware of floor model close out pricing at other BBs?

I need LCD deep black to showcase look up table calibration. The CES hype re: the 2013 Samsung F8000 LCD looks good but experience dictates the display will not live up to expectations.
post #12739 of 14509
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Originally Posted by buzzard767 View Post

I posted on the Elite pricing thread but no answer so far. My local BB offered me a 60" floor model Elite for $3700 with full factory warranty and the new 15 day return policy. Has anyone bought a 60" for less or is anyone aware of floor model close out pricing at other BBs?

I need LCD deep black to showcase look up table calibration. The CES hype re: the 2013 Samsung F8000 LCD looks good but experience dictates the display will not live up to expectations.

Think you might do a bit better, becuase about a month ago I got a 60 for $3,300 at BB with 60 day return option that was was not a display but an open box from soneone who returned it for a larger 70. They claim their break even point is $3,200.

No warranty however for me.
Edited by timbersbimbers - 3/4/13 at 10:34am
post #12740 of 14509
which warranty? extended or factory? if factory, did they give a reason why no warranty?
post #12741 of 14509
I searched this thread for an answer to this but could not find one.

Does anyone know if it's possible to use a USB-wireless keyboard with the Elite for browsing the web?
Edited by marcusj50 - 3/7/13 at 10:06am
post #12742 of 14509
Hu Guys,
So I had Kevin Miller calibrate my Elite 70" last week. Kevin is very professional, nice and knowledgable. I am very happy with the results. The ISF Day, Night and THX 3D modes were calibrated. Calibration results are below for ISF Night.
-Evangelo2

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post #12743 of 14509
Evangelo, thanks for posting. A few quick questions for you.

If you can describe, how much of an improvement did it make to your picture? 10%? 20%? What settings were you using prior? What material have you seen a noticeable difference on (a movie title and time would be helpful) and is there anything about the calibration you're not happy with?


Thanks.
post #12744 of 14509
Interested in hearing about peoples experience with AutoCal on their Sharp Elite display. How accurate is AutoCal, and what can I expect from it?

I'm hesitant to purchse CalMAN just to find a less than suitable calibration by AutoCal. I'm no where near savvy enough to calibrate the Elite myself with the overwhelming amount of controls it has, so I'm considering AutoCal.
post #12745 of 14509
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Originally Posted by marcusj50 View Post

I searched this thread for an answer to this but could not find one.

Does anyone know if it's possible to use a USB-wireless keyboard with the Elite for browsing the web?

The Elite does not have a built-in web browser, so the answer is no.
post #12746 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Evangelo2 View Post

Hu Guys,
So I had Kevin Miller calibrate my Elite 70" last week. Kevin is very professional, nice and knowledgable. I am very happy with the results. The ISF Day, Night and THX 3D modes were calibrated. Calibration results are below for ISF Night.
-Evangelo2

Wow....I'm actually quite shocked that Kevin calibrated the gamut using 100% saturation points. Unless your set is different from the 3 sets I've calibrated, 0-80% saturation points will most likely have large errors. Also, weird that there is a bump in gamma at 90%. Could be because 100% light output is set at only 64.3398 cd/m2 (=18.77 fL), your environment for ISF night must be pitch black. eek.gif

This is how 20% saturation sweep chart looks like when using 100% saturation points.


But as long as you enjoy the image, no worries!! biggrin.gif
post #12747 of 14509
Wow, that is good result.
I'm impressed by blue point that's almost at target.
No matter what I tried, I was not able to move the blue to the target zone without making some thing bad to others
I also had blue points as curve above targeted line, not as strait line
post #12748 of 14509
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Originally Posted by mikek753 View Post

Wow, that is good result.

If you are talking about the saturation chart I posted, then I will have to disagree with you. When I calibrated the Elite according to that chart, flesh tones and foliage were off and very noticeable. frown.gif
post #12749 of 14509
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by N3W813 View Post

If you are talking about the saturation chart I posted, then I will have to disagree with you. When I calibrated the Elite according to that chart, flesh tones and foliage were off and very noticeable. frown.gif

Kevin Miller calibrated my Elite and I can tell you that the color looks spot on, no issues with flesh tones or foliage whatsoever. cool.gif
post #12750 of 14509
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Originally Posted by RadTech51 View Post

Kevin Miller calibrated my Elite and I can tell you that the color looks spot on, no issues with flesh tones or foliage whatsoever. cool.gif

Not to sound offensive, but have you seen an Elite set calibrated to 75% saturation targets? How do you know your colors are "spot on"? wink.gif
Edited by N3W813 - 3/8/13 at 9:53am
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