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post #12751 of 14509
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Originally Posted by N3W813 View Post

If you are talking about the saturation chart I posted, then I will have to disagree with you. When I calibrated the Elite according to that chart, flesh tones and foliage were off and very noticeable. frown.gif

+1

Colors FAR from linear on my 60" Elite. 75%/75% gave me better results.
post #12752 of 14509
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Originally Posted by N3W813 View Post

Have you seen an Elite set calibrated to 75% saturation targets? How do you know your colors are "spot on"? wink.gif

FWIW Rad said it "looks spot on" not that it is.

Rad, I asked a few questions to Evangelo2 a few posts back. If you could take a look at them and answer them it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

John
post #12753 of 14509
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Originally Posted by N3W813 View Post

Wow....I'm actually quite shocked that Kevin calibrated the gamut using 100% saturation points. Unless your set is different from the 3 sets I've calibrated, 0-80% saturation points will most likely have large errors. Also, weird that there is a bump in gamma at 90%. Could be because 100% light output is set at only 64.3398 cd/m2 (=18.77 fL), your environment for ISF night must be pitch black. eek.gif

This is how 20% saturation sweep chart looks like when using 100% saturation points.

...

But as long as you enjoy the image, no worries!! biggrin.gif
I thought I read 75% on the Post Luminance chart ...
post #12754 of 14509
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Originally Posted by AnotherDude View Post

I thought I read 75% on the Post Luminance chart ...

That's 75% luminance not 75% saturation. You can tell from the xy coordinates measured that the points used were 100% saturation.
post #12755 of 14509
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Originally Posted by N3W813 

Not to sound offensive, but have you seen an Elite set calibrated to 75% saturation targets? How do you know your colors are "spot on"? wink.gif
I am pretty shure that Kevin Miller is more qualified than you are wink.gif
post #12756 of 14509
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Originally Posted by 8mile13 View Post


I am pretty shure that Kevin Miller is more qualified than you are wink.gif

Yes, he is more qualified than me....so that means I have to do what he does when it does not produce a better calibration than my own? Go ask ChadB which saturation point he uses when he calibrates an Elite.... wink.gif
post #12757 of 14509
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Originally Posted by N3W813 

Yes, he is more qualified than me....so that means I have to do what he does when it does not produce a better calibration than my own? Go ask ChadB which saturation point he uses when he calibrates an Elite.... wink.gif
i was just having some fun smile.gif
post #12758 of 14509
If it's Kevin Miller who calibrated your set I am sure we can all agree he knew what he was doing, regardless of what charts were posted.
post #12759 of 14509
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Originally Posted by N3W813 View Post

That's 75% luminance not 75% saturation. You can tell from the xy coordinates measured that the points used were 100% saturation.
You're right, the x & y look to be in the 100% sat levels. But CalMAN usually denotes saturation as % and luminance as just a plain number. Wish they would be consistent in this.
post #12760 of 14509
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Originally Posted by DYAUSWINTERS View Post

If it's Kevin Miller who calibrated your set I am sure we can all agree he knew what he was doing, regardless of what charts were posted.
Absolutely. He probably did a sweep but the report will only show one level. He could tell us but he'd have to kill us then biggrin.gif. Kevin knows what he's doing for sure.
post #12761 of 14509
75/75 works for me. Skin tones and other recognizables are very good and there is no high oversaturation on the top end to set anything aglow. It's easy enough to do a quicky at 100/75, check the sat sweep, and repeat at 75/75. As for Kevin, he's done enough Elites to probably qualify as the most experienced. I've communicated with him in the past about the Elite specifically, and unless he's changed his ways, there is some misinformation here.
post #12762 of 14509
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Originally Posted by buzzard767 View Post

As for Kevin, he's done enough Elites to probably qualify as the most experienced. I've communicated with him in the past about the Elite specifically, and unless he's changed his ways, there is some misinformation here.

Misinformation on AVS? I've never seen that. biggrin.gif
post #12763 of 14509
My Sharp Elite, I think, is dead. I've had two main boards replaced. If I reset it, and put it in THX mode my Klein gives a reading of 15,000K!!! The Klein was recertified one month ago. The set cannot be calibrated. Blue is off the charts. Sharp just had the main board replaced in it last Friday. It has had the factory reset performed several times.

I called Sharp and told them the replaced board did not fix the problem. They said since it was within 30 days, the tech would have to come back and "re-evaluate" it. Now this tech is just a board-replacer. I don't think he knows what 15,000 Kelvin even means.

My questions are this: has anyone ever seen this before, and if so how was it fixed? With the set no longer in production am I stuck with this defective unit?

Thanks,

Drury
post #12764 of 14509
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Originally Posted by buzzard767 View Post

75/75 works for me. Skin tones and other recognizables are very good and there is no high oversaturation on the top end to set anything aglow. It's easy enough to do a quicky at 100/75, check the sat sweep, and repeat at 75/75. As for Kevin, he's done enough Elites to probably qualify as the most experienced. I've communicated with him in the past about the Elite specifically, and unless he's changed his ways, there is some misinformation here.

So hence my original confusion. If Kevin does calibrate the CMS of the Elite at ~75% saturation, then why are the charts posted by Evangelo2 calibrated at 100%? confused.gif
post #12765 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Pannus View Post

My Sharp Elite, I think, is dead. I've had two main boards replaced. If I reset it, and put it in THX mode my Klein gives a reading of 15,000K!!! The Klein was recertified one month ago. The set cannot be calibrated. Blue is off the charts. Sharp just had the main board replaced in it last Friday. It has had the factory reset performed several times.

I called Sharp and told them the replaced board did not fix the problem. They said since it was within 30 days, the tech would have to come back and "re-evaluate" it. Now this tech is just a board-replacer. I don't think he knows what 15,000 Kelvin even means.

My questions are this: has anyone ever seen this before, and if so how was it fixed? With the set no longer in production am I stuck with this defective unit?

Thanks,

Drury

I've posted about the cause of this exact problem many times before. wink.gif

When the system board is replaced, all factory greyscale calibration settings are gone. These settings are stored on the system board. When you receive a replacement system board, the greyscale settings are at 'default'. You will need to enter the factory calibrated greyscale settings in the service menu in order to bring down the color temp closer to 6500k.
post #12766 of 14509
Sorry guys, been busy but I hope I can asnwer some questions...

1. My room is pretty well light controlled and I only watch at night ususally as well. It is a half basement and the windows all have wood blinds so hardly no light at all at night and limitted light in the day. In the day I can switch to ISF Day which is brighter if needs be.

2. I think there is a definitie improvement in picture. I will try and find some reference points for people but honestly I ahve a 2 month old baby at home so any time I can get to watch a movie or a show is usually spent on jsut that and not tinkering like I used to love to do frown.gif

3. I was using some older settings from N3W813 which I thought looked real good (thanks for the settings N3W813). They were not the latest updated settings from N3W813 without the 10 point color adjustment for Nov 12 builds (which mine is) but I may try setting those up on my THX mode for comparisson reasons smile.gif All of the before calibration measurements were done using THX Mode and N3W813 older settings.

Hope this info helps guys.

-Evangelo2
post #12767 of 14509
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Originally Posted by N3W813 View Post

I've posted about the cause of this exact problem many times before. wink.gif

When the system board is replaced, all factory greyscale calibration settings are gone. These settings are stored on the system board. When you receive a replacement system board, the greyscale settings are at 'default'. You will need to enter the factory calibrated greyscale settings in the service menu in order to bring down the color temp closer to 6500k.


And how would I learn these values? Please tell me.
post #12768 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Pannus View Post

And how would I learn these values? Please tell me.

You need to go into the service menu and write them down BEFORE the system board replacement. If you didn't, then I'm sorry, you will need to get a replacement TV.

Another option is if the service technician knows how to calibrate and input the factory settings. Mine didn't... frown.gif
post #12769 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Pannus View Post


And how would I learn these values? Please tell me.
You need to take this issue to Sharp.
post #12770 of 14509
Has anyone in here bought a refurb. model? Impressions? There is a seller on ebay selling the 70 inch at a good price with a claimed 3-year warranty. As supply is dwindling, looks like there are very few places to grab one still.
post #12771 of 14509
Really distracting noise/pulsing/blinking/flashlighting (not sure of technical term) during dark scenes while watching Justified and Grimm.
Anyone else see this?
What picture adjustments can reduce or cure this?
I'm using Rad's settings.

Thanks
post #12772 of 14509
Sorry if this is old rehashed question, but is the Elite officially discontinued? I saw some various posts in the search eluding to this. Was there an official reason? I assume the Elite suffered the same fate as the Pioneer? Market is just too small for a TV in that price range?
post #12773 of 14509
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by drexelspivey View Post

Really distracting noise/pulsing/blinking/flashlighting (not sure of technical term) during dark scenes while watching Justified and Grimm.
Anyone else see this?
What picture adjustments can reduce or cure this?
I'm using Rad's settings.

Thanks

Sounds like you might have an issue with your source material, I'd start with checking that against a known good source and see if it the issue continues. I'd recommend a Blu-Ray movie that you are familiar with as a viewing reference source for checking out that issue before jumping to any conclusions. Make sure you try a direct feed from Blu-Ray player to the Sharp Elite by-passing your AV-Receiver and Power-line conditioner if you have one, it's most likely the source material but check it out anyway. Check the settings on your TV make sure you have the power saving feature disabled. I'd also suggest a professional calibration, my setting may help get you a great looking picture but it wasn't meant to be a substitute for a real the real thing. cool.gif
post #12774 of 14509
Hey all,

Just took the plunge on a 70 inch demo unit from Magnolia sight unseen. I know, a little risky, but I have a 14-day return window if anything is wrong. I had been reading through this thread religiously, but have been slacking the last few months. Would anyone be so kind as to give me the short version of any problems I should be looking for when it is delivered? I will obviously plug it in a and look for dead pixels, but what else?

Thanks in advance,
Matt
post #12775 of 14509
I have a chance to purchase a demo 70". Does anybody know how to get in and see the hours its been running.
Thanks!
post #12776 of 14509
get into service menu someone posted how to do it a few pages back
post #12777 of 14509
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Originally Posted by RadTech51 View Post

Sounds like you might have an issue with your source material, I'd start with checking that against a known good source and see if it the issue continues. I'd recommend a Blu-Ray movie that you are familiar with as a viewing reference source for checking out that issue before jumping to any conclusions. Make sure you try a direct feed from Blu-Ray player to the Sharp Elite by-passing your AV-Receiver and Power-line conditioner if you have one, it's most likely the source material but check it out anyway. Check the settings on your TV make sure you have the power saving feature disabled. I'd also suggest a professional calibration, my setting may help get you a great looking picture but it wasn't meant to be a substitute for a real the real thing. cool.gif

Thanks for the feedback RadTech.
I think your correct that it's the source material. Blu-ray is stellar via a direct connection to the Elite. The issue is persistent with some Time Warner Cable broadcasts. Power saving is disabled. I will eventually be moving to Direct TV. I have read on this forum that DTV and Sharp make for a pretty good match.

BTW, 3D is jaw dropping. The level of depth in Prometheus is a sight to behold.
post #12778 of 14509
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Originally Posted by drexelspivey View Post

Really distracting noise/pulsing/blinking/flashlighting (not sure of technical term) during dark scenes while watching Justified and Grimm.
Anyone else see this?
What picture adjustments can reduce or cure this?
I'm using Rad's settings.

Thanks

I noticed severe pulsing with House of Cards Ep 1. I previously never had a pulsing issue with my nearly 1-year old Elite. I looked at my settings and noticed that IVC was on. I turned it off and pulsing went away. I would check your IVC setting in the menu and the power save setting on the remote.
post #12779 of 14509
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by drexelspivey View Post

Thanks for the feedback RadTech.
I think your correct that it's the source material. Blu-ray is stellar via a direct connection to the Elite. The issue is persistent with some Time Warner Cable broadcasts. Power saving is disabled. I will eventually be moving to Direct TV. I have read on this forum that DTV and Sharp make for a pretty good match.

BTW, 3D is jaw dropping. The level of depth in Prometheus is a sight to behold.

Yea I was thinking about Direct TV as well, glad everything worked out. wink.gif

PS: Prometheus is a great movie fantastic choice. smile.gif
post #12780 of 14509
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Originally Posted by drexelspivey View Post

Thanks for the feedback RadTech.
I think your correct that it's the source material. Blu-ray is stellar via a direct connection to the Elite. The issue is persistent with some Time Warner Cable broadcasts. Power saving is disabled. I will eventually be moving to Direct TV. I have read on this forum that DTV and Sharp make for a pretty good match.

BTW, 3D is jaw dropping. The level of depth in Prometheus is a sight to behold.

I had a severe pulsing/flashing issue with all of the NBC broadcasts at one point. It turns out it was something in the way my HTPC was getting the signal from the local NBC affiliate. I was able to correct it in Windows HD drivers. Glad you got yours worked out!

And my girlfriend and I watched Avatar in 3D a couple of weeks ago and were simply blown away by how much depth and realism there was in the picture. Some of it definitely depends on the film. We watched Hugo (admittedly with different settings on the ELite and using a PS3 and not my HTPC with PowerDVD blu-ray software which was built later) and were not super impressed. Maybe I should try re-watching Hugo under the current set up...
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