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post #13171 of 14509
^^^^

you can look here for more info:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1360612/any-tips-on-the-sharp-elite

without having the calibration program and associated test equipment, and experience, there would be little to gain and lots to lose by going into the service menu: please take note.

my opinion only...
post #13172 of 14509
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Originally Posted by markrubin View Post

^^^^

you can look here for more info:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1360612/any-tips-on-the-sharp-elite

without having the calibration program and associated test equipment, and experience, there would be little to gain and lots to lose by going into the service menu: please take note.

my opinion only...

I appreciate that. I just want to turn the ISF modes on. I have been in the service menus of other TV's I own without damage.
post #13173 of 14509
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Originally Posted by DarrenK View Post


I am an adult, and understand the risks, and can make my own choices, regardless of other poster's fears. So please fell free to post the instruction smile.gif
How about requesting the instructions vis PM? That way people without your experience won't be suckered into something they don't understand.
post #13174 of 14509
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

How about requesting the instructions vis PM? That way people without your experience won't be suckered into something they don't understand.

I'm a big believer in making things easy to find. Sure a PM would be fine for me. What about the future owner who eventually finds his or her way to AVSForum, but can't find the info because it is not posted? There is no guarantee that if I get it by PM that the OP will still be around to further disseminate the info, or that I will be around to repeat it either. It serves the good of the board for the info to be available. Years ago when I first was interested in calibrating my Toshiba 56H80, the lack of documentation and public posting of the service info and manual proved a big hindrance. People did not answer PMs, older boards had disappeared or merged, making the info very hard to find. Sure, post a caveat. Put **WARNING: ATTEMPT AT YOUR OWN RISK!!** But post it where it can be found. I speak from experience.
post #13175 of 14509
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Originally Posted by DarrenK View Post

I'm a big believer in making things easy to find. Sure a PM would be fine for me. What about the future owner who eventually finds his or her way to AVSForum, but can't find the info because it is not posted? There is no guarantee that if I get it by PM that the OP will still be around to further disseminate the info, or that I will be around to repeat it either. It serves the good of the board for the info to be available. Years ago when I first was interested in calibrating my Toshiba 56H80, the lack of documentation and public posting of the service info and manual proved a big hindrance. People did not answer PMs, older boards had disappeared or merged, making the info very hard to find. Sure, post a caveat. Put **WARNING: ATTEMPT AT YOUR OWN RISK!!** But post it where it can be found. I speak from experience.

AGREE 100%. Everything you do to your own equipment is done at your own risk. Please share.
post #13176 of 14509
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Originally Posted by DarrenK View Post

Sure, post a caveat. Put **WARNING: ATTEMPT AT YOUR OWN RISK!!** But post it where it can be found. I speak from experience.
I speak from experience. The following text is the most misunderstood caveat I've ever encountered. wink.gif
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

****UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCE SHOULD THESE SETTINGS BE USED WITH ANY OTHER SOURCE MATERIAL BEYOND THE PANEL PREP USB/SD CARD FILES****

Recommended 100 Hour Panel Prep Settings for North American Panasonic TC-PxxS60/ST60/VT60/ZT60 models (ONLY to be used with USB/SD Card Files attached below!!!!!!!!)

*****Note: This procedure is designed to prepare your display for the reference settings listed for each 2013 North American Panasonic model below by aging all pixels equally with the same content. This procedure is NOT designed nor recommended to be used as Break-in, Image Retention and/or Burn-in prevention.*****

I don't know how they do it, but they do. eek.gif
post #13177 of 14509
We can afford to disregard D-Nice's invaluable statement above - we're an LCD/LED biggrin.gif
post #13178 of 14509
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

I speak from experience. The following text is the most misunderstood caveat I've ever encountered. wink.gif
I don't know how they do it, but they do. eek.gif

They are panel prep settings, only to be used during the panel prep process. Makes sense to me.
post #13179 of 14509
OK then smile.gif

***WARNING***WARNING***WARNING***
***WARNING***WARNING***WARNING***

Use these instructions at your own risk. You should realize that accessing these settings provides the opportunity to mess up your display. If you do that, it's YOUR FAULT, not anyone else's biggrin.gif

To enter the ISF modes on your Sharp Elite is similar to entering the Service menu.
  1. Turn off and unplug the TV
  2. Hold the "Channel Down" and "Menu" buttons on the TV (on the TV itself, not the remote) while plugging the TV back in
  3. A prompt will come up on the TV asking for a 3 digit code. The correct code is 163

This should give you access to the ISF Day and Night settings. After finishing your settings, you need to be sure to click the "Complete" setting item which will save the new settings. If you don't your hard work will be lost.
post #13180 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Speakerphile View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

I speak from experience. The following text is the most misunderstood caveat I've ever encountered. wink.gif
I don't know how they do it, but they do. eek.gif

They are panel prep settings, only to be used during the panel prep process. Makes sense to me.

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Originally Posted by AnotherDude View Post

We can afford to disregard D-Nice's invaluable statement above - we're an LCD/LED biggrin.gif
That's exactly my point. You both misunderstood the point of my post. The same thing will happen to any caveat. eek.gif

Misunderstood is the key word in this discussion. Some will, and some won't. Buyer beware. smile.gif
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Originally Posted by jasonvr View Post

OK then smile.gif

***WARNING***WARNING***WARNING***
***WARNING***WARNING***WARNING***

Use these instructions at your own risk. You should realize that accessing these settings provides the opportunity to mess up your display. If you do that, it's YOUR FAULT, not anyone else's biggrin.gif

Maybe the Sharp Elite owner's are less likely to misunderstand caveats than some of those who have plasma displays. wink.gif
Edited by htwaits - 5/7/13 at 9:43pm
post #13181 of 14509
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Originally Posted by jasonvr View Post

OK then smile.gif

***WARNING***WARNING***WARNING***
***WARNING***WARNING***WARNING***

Use these instructions at your own risk. You should realize that accessing these settings provides the opportunity to mess up your display. If you do that, it's YOUR FAULT, not anyone else's biggrin.gif

To enter the ISF modes on your Sharp Elite is similar to entering the Service menu.
  1. Turn off and unplug the TV
  2. Hold the "Channel Down" and "Menu" buttons on the TV (on the TV itself, not the remote) while plugging the TV back in
  3. A prompt will come up on the TV asking for a 3 digit code. The correct code is 163

This should give you access to the ISF Day and Night settings. After finishing your settings, you need to be sure to click the "Complete" setting item which will save the new settings. If you don't your hard work will be lost.

Thank you for posting this. When I joined this forum there was a simple caution about using the service menu that applies here and can be followed by anyone but a complete idiot. WRITE DOWN the original setting of anything you are going to change along with the description/title of the line item being changed. That way if the results are bad you can go back to the original setting.
post #13182 of 14509
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post


That's exactly my point. You both misunderstood the point of my post. The same thing will happen to any caveat. eek.gif

Misunderstood is the key word in this discussion. Some will, and some won't. Buyer beware. smile.gif
Maybe the Sharp Elite owner's are less likely to misunderstand caveats than some of those who have plasma displays. wink.gif

Maybe we just need a quick IQ test before full membership rights are bestowed to this glorious forum...
post #13183 of 14509
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Originally Posted by jasonvr View Post

OK then smile.gif

***WARNING***WARNING***WARNING***
***WARNING***WARNING***WARNING***

Use these instructions at your own risk. You should realize that accessing these settings provides the opportunity to mess up your display. If you do that, it's YOUR FAULT, not anyone else's biggrin.gif

To enter the ISF modes on your Sharp Elite is similar to entering the Service menu.
  1. Turn off and unplug the TV
  2. Hold the "Channel Down" and "Menu" buttons on the TV (on the TV itself, not the remote) while plugging the TV back in
  3. A prompt will come up on the TV asking for a 3 digit code. The correct code is 163

This should give you access to the ISF Day and Night settings. After finishing your settings, you need to be sure to click the "Complete" setting item which will save the new settings. If you don't your hard work will be lost.

Thanks smile.gif
post #13184 of 14509
My friend is trying to buy a 70" floor model from Best Buy, and they are playing hard ball with him on the price. He has tried two different stores, and so far he hasn't been able to get them any lower than $6K.
post #13185 of 14509
Bummer.
post #13186 of 14509
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Originally Posted by gweempose View Post

My friend is trying to buy a 70" floor model from Best Buy, and they are playing hard ball with him on the price. He has tried two different stores, and so far he hasn't been able to get them any lower than $6K.
I have a friend who purchased a new 70 inch Elite for $6200. They don't sound too eager to move that floor model.
post #13187 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Speakerphile View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

Misunderstood is the key word in this discussion. Some will, and some won't. Buyer beware. smile.gif

Maybe we just need a quick IQ test before full membership rights are bestowed to this glorious forum...
What's always interested me is that the price paid for what ever is being discussed has very little correlation with understanding the written word, or using writing as a means of communication. I blame it all on texting! eek.gifbiggrin.gif

Mankind's achievements are directly related to the ability to pass on knowledge to succeeding generations. We should all pay homage to those impulsive individuals who were willing to give their lives by tasting some new food item. How else would the more cautious humans have been able to learn and pass on what foods are best to avoid. wink.gif
post #13188 of 14509
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Originally Posted by myoda View Post

I have a friend who purchased a new 70 inch Elite for $6200. They don't sound too eager to move that floor model.

Yea, I got mine new in December for $5700. But now that there aren't any more new ones, if you want one at all you will start having to pay a premium. I remember when Samsung stopped production of their full array back lit 8500 years back. Six months after production stopped, you had to pay almost a $1000 premium OVER msrp if you wanted to get one still in the warehouses.
post #13189 of 14509
First post, long time lurker! After almost a year of waiting and hoping for a second generation Elite, I finally purchased a 70" two weeks ago. Price after tax....8K eek.gif

Why pay that you ask? Well, I refused to purchase a "suspect" November build and after an exhaustive search I found a brand spanking new in the box April '12 build. Custom installer had a supplier with three NIB sets in stock. Two November builds, one April. I negotiated (or at least tried) and they refused to budge. After three days of deliberation and weighing my options....options being 75" F8000 or April build Elite, I figured I'd be paying roughly 8K either way. Boy will I be depressed if the F8000 plus 5" blows the Elite away.......I doubt it though, don't all you other owners out there doubt it too? Is that an insane price to pay...YES.....call me insane! biggrin.gif

Anyhow, after receiving an excellent calibration courtesy of David Abrams.....no buyers remorse here! This is an awesome set. I do acknowledge its issues, but for 70" + screen sizes, what's better????
Edited by Hawkyguy - 5/9/13 at 10:17am
post #13190 of 14509
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First post, long time lurker! After almost a year of waiting and hoping for a second generation Elite, I finally purchased a 70" two weeks ago. Price after tax....8K

Why pay that you ask? Well, I refused to purchase a "suspect" November build and after an exhaustive search I found a brand spanking new in the box April '12 build. Custom installer had a supplier with three NIB sets in stock. Two November builds, one April. I negotiated (or at least tried) and they refused to budge. After three days of deliberation and weighing my options....options being 75" F8000 or April build Elite, I figured I'd be paying roughly 8K either way. Boy will I be depressed if the F8000 plus 5" blows the Elite away.......I doubt it though, don't all you other owners out there doubt it too? Is that an insane price to pay...YES.....call me insane!

Anyhow, after receiving an excellent calibration courteously of David Abrams.....no buyers remorse here! This is an awesome set. I do acknowledge its issues, but for 70" + screen sizes, what's better????

Congrats and welcome to the club. The price shock will fade away eventually but your video enjoyment will last a long time. So, it may still be a good deal.
post #13191 of 14509
Thread Starter 
Congratulations to all the new Elite owners out there and welcome to the Elite club. wink.gif
post #13192 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Hawkyguy View Post

After three days of deliberation and weighing my options....options being 75" F8000 or April build Elite, I figured I'd be paying roughly 8K either way. Boy will I be depressed if the F8000 plus 5" blows the Elite away .....

Don't worry. It won't. While all accounts indicate that the F8000's are indeed an improvement over last years models, they still suffer from the same edge lit problems to one degree or another. It's just the nature of the beast. With the exception of OLED, full array local dimming is the pinnacle of current technology. Enjoy your Elite. You've got one hell of a set there!
post #13193 of 14509
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Originally Posted by gweempose View Post

Don't worry. It won't. While all accounts indicate that the F8000's are indeed an improvement over last years models, they still suffer from the same edge lit problems to one degree or another. It's just the nature of the beast. With the exception of OLED, full array local dimming is the pinnacle of current technology. Enjoy your Elite. You've got one hell of a set there!

+1
post #13194 of 14509
My friend's story has a happy ending. I gave him a copy of my receipt showing that I only paid $4,800 for my floor model, and his Best Buy matched it. He's on his way to pick it up. The set has a May 2012 build date. Which one of Newbie's configurations should he use? The older one, or the newer one?
post #13195 of 14509
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Originally Posted by gweempose View Post

My friend's story has a happy ending. I gave him a copy of my receipt showing that I only paid $4,800 for my floor model, and his Best Buy matched it. He's on his way to pick it up. The set has a May 2012 build date. Which one of Newbie's configurations should he use? The older one, or the newer one?

Try both out for a couple of days, and see which looks better to him. Using other people's settings will never get your specific set close to 100% calibrated targets anyway. wink.gif
post #13196 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Hawkyguy View Post

First post, long time lurker! After almost a year of waiting and hoping for a second generation Elite, I finally purchased a 70" two weeks ago. Price after tax....8K eek.gif

Why pay that you ask? Well, I refused to purchase a "suspect" November build and after an exhaustive search I found a brand spanking new in the box April '12 build. Custom installer had a supplier with three NIB sets in stock. Two November builds, one April. I negotiated (or at least tried) and they refused to budge. After three days of deliberation and weighing my options....options being 75" F8000 or April build Elite, I figured I'd be paying roughly 8K either way. Boy will I be depressed if the F8000 plus 5" blows the Elite away.......I doubt it though, don't all you other owners out there doubt it too? Is that an insane price to pay...YES.....call me insane! biggrin.gif

Anyhow, after receiving an excellent calibration courtesy of David Abrams.....no buyers remorse here! This is an awesome set. I do acknowledge its issues, but for 70" + screen sizes, what's better????

Early indications of the 55" model is that it's just a slightly improved ES model. It still has spotlighting and some black issues but not as bad as the previous model. Samsung is aiming towards more gimmicks and apps instead of improved PQ. It is certainly no Elite on picture quality. I can't blame Samsung really because the vast majority of the buying public is not interested in PQ at the level of the Elite.
post #13197 of 14509
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post


That's exactly my point. You both misunderstood the point of my post. The same thing will happen to any caveat. eek.gif

Misunderstood is the key word in this discussion. Some will, and some won't. Buyer beware. smile.gif
Maybe the Sharp Elite owner's are less likely to misunderstand caveats than some of those who have plasma displays. wink.gif
I actually got your point, a very good one. I was just being a smartass smile.gif. Or maybe make that a dumbass biggrin.gif.
post #13198 of 14509
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Originally Posted by AnotherDude View Post

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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post


That's exactly my point. You both misunderstood the point of my post. The same thing will happen to any caveat. eek.gif

Misunderstood is the key word in this discussion. Some will, and some won't. Buyer beware. smile.gif
Maybe the Sharp Elite owner's are less likely to misunderstand caveats than some of those who have plasma displays. wink.gif
I actually got your point, a very good one. I was just being a smartass smile.gif. Or maybe make that a dumbass biggrin.gif.
Thanks for letting me know. I'll keep in mind for the future. biggrin.gif
post #13199 of 14509
I previously had an 80 inch 844 from BB that I paid $3500 including tax plus 2 free 3D glasses. Didn't like it at all. (not calibrated though!)
Went back to the manager and he swapped it for a floor model 70 inch Elite 8/11 build. Same price, and got to keep the 2 3D glasses as well!.
The unit has 6000 hours on it, but otherwise is in great shape. Image is many folds better than the 80 inch 844 model.
I think once calibrated, it will be a knock out! It already is pretty spectacular. Only issue: side view picture still washes out a bit.
post #13200 of 14509
hi does anyone know if the elite advantage live support offers you a refund if your not happy with your tv. i have a 60 in elite and im not happy with it i had it for 2 days and i can't take it back to where i got it from because the return period include the day when i bought it. it was a 14 day return period and now its 15 days. even though i recieved my elite this week
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