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Originally Posted by Video Auteur View Post

I'm curious to hear from other people with the 70". Do you notice a fluttering or rippling in your backlight (as described in my post above)?

I've seen this happen occasionally on my 70" when displaying static TiVo menus. It's rare, however, and I've never noticed it during normal program material.
Edited by gweempose - 6/9/13 at 1:01pm
post #13352 of 14509
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Originally Posted by gweempose View Post

I've seen this happen occasionally on my 70" when displaying static TiVo menus. It's rare, however, and I've never noticed it during normal program material.

I have seen the same thing with Tivo menu's. Mine seems to stay for a few weeks then goes away for months before returning. Always thought it was a Tivo problem.
post #13353 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Video Auteur View Post

A good tip! I did a firmware update, and it hasn't corrected the problem. I have discovered that the problem is less noticeable if I set IVC to Low, but I prefer Local Dimming only as it creates a more truthful reading of the film source. Also, if I select Fluidmotion, the problem is less evident, but I want to use this set to watch movies that look like movies, not video, so the SOE is not for me.

I'm curious to hear from other people with the 70". Do you notice a fluttering or rippling in your backlight (as described in my post above)? If it's a defect in this set, I'd like to know before my 30 day return window closes.

I always use IVC Low in THX mode. Last few calibrations (DIY) have been done with it on. Motion enhancement is 120 high and film motion advanced low. Latter provides little if any SOE to my eyes.
post #13354 of 14509
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Originally Posted by rsheehan View Post

I've had my 70" Elite since October of '11 and I've had this issue happen a few times over the past year or so with the system not powering on and it having the blinking blue light.

This literally just happened to me for the first time last night. I went to turn on the TV, and got the blinking blue light instead of a picture. I then tried it again, and it worked fine the second time. Please keep us posted and let us know how your service call goes. It sounds like most of us with early builds are going to be dealing with problems like this at some point.
post #13355 of 14509
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Video Auteur View Post

I have had the 60" Elite since last fall, and have been very impressed with it. (Don't fail to have your set calibrated; it improved the black level and color significantly.) I recently purchased a 70" demo for my second system. It has plenty of hours on it, as it's been on display since September, 2011. I'm pleased with the panel uniformity - both on whites and on blacks. However, I've noticed something on this set that I've not seen on my 60". Whenever there is an area of uniform color and luminance that experiences subtle change (in either color or luminance) the backlight visibly fluctuates. This isn't a rhythmic, pulsating flicker; it's irregular and uneven. It frequently creates a ripple or wave-like motion of luminance that sweeps across the area repeatedly. The shifting color background from the closing credits of "Never Let Me Go" on blu-ray create the most extreme demonstration of this problem, but in a much more subtle form it appears intermittently throughout blu-ray content.

Here's a quote from elsewhere on this forum that I suspect refers to the same artifact: What I saw was a fluctuating backlight effect not a steady "pulse" in scenes with a grey sky with clouds. This was over about 20% of the screen at the time. It was annoying, but its rare to see it. I think the conditions of the input signal have to be just right. It appears that a noisy or grainy scene with whites and grays may set it off. i would think this a problem with the local dimming backlight software analyzing noisy or apparently noisy input and "overreacting".

Has anyone else noticed this? Does it get worse over time? Can anything be done to eliminate or reduce the effect? I can find this on the 60" only in that credit sequence, but on that set the effect is much more subtle.

What you're describing sounds remarkably like the pulsing issue. I see it as well on my 70'' but for me it's not as noticeable especially on Blu-ray content. Pulsing seems to affect others differently and to more of the extreme especially for those who did not get a professional calibration which I highly recommend. cool.gif
post #13356 of 14509
I was in The best buy in San Carlos, California has a 70" display unit for $4300. It looked good.
post #13357 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Video Auteur View Post

I have had the 60" Elite since last fall, and have been very impressed with it. (Don't fail to have your set calibrated; it improved the black level and color significantly.) I recently purchased a 70" demo for my second system. It has plenty of hours on it, as it's been on display since September, 2011. I'm pleased with the panel uniformity - both on whites and on blacks. However, I've noticed something on this set that I've not seen on my 60". Whenever there is an area of uniform color and luminance that experiences subtle change (in either color or luminance) the backlight visibly fluctuates. This isn't a rhythmic, pulsating flicker; it's irregular and uneven. It frequently creates a ripple or wave-like motion of luminance that sweeps across the area repeatedly. The shifting color background from the closing credits of "Never Let Me Go" on blu-ray create the most extreme demonstration of this problem, but in a much more subtle form it appears intermittently throughout blu-ray content.

Here's a quote from elsewhere on this forum that I suspect refers to the same artifact: What I saw was a fluctuating backlight effect not a steady "pulse" in scenes with a grey sky with clouds. This was over about 20% of the screen at the time. It was annoying, but its rare to see it. I think the conditions of the input signal have to be just right. It appears that a noisy or grainy scene with whites and grays may set it off. i would think this a problem with the local dimming backlight software analyzing noisy or apparently noisy input and "overreacting".

Has anyone else noticed this? Does it get worse over time? Can anything be done to eliminate or reduce the effect? I can find this on the 60" only in that credit sequence, but on that set the effect is much more subtle.
This is the infamous pulsing effect, to me a bigger issue than the cyan thinghy, and a result as you infer of the local dimming algorithms. I get it occasionally on dim interior scenes with even areas, but have tamed it with calibration. The occasional occurrence is not a problem and often just seems to be part of the scene. Playing around with the contrast / brightness can help minimize it. Age should not affect it. I'm surprised you haven't seen it in your 60".
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Getting ready to pull the trigger on a open box 60" Can't wait to pick it up. $2700 too much?
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Originally Posted by XBRSteve View Post

Getting ready to pull the trigger on a open box 60" Can't wait to pick it up. $2700 too much?

NOT AT ALL, GREATTT PRICE
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Originally Posted by kamiraa View Post

NOT AT ALL, GREATTT PRICE
Is it supposed to come with 3D glasses?
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Originally Posted by XBRSteve View Post

Is it supposed to come with 3D glasses?
Yes, two pairs. If the open box note doesn't show them as missing, tell them. When I did they threw in two pairs of retail Sharp glasses (i.e. the ones usually sold separately)
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Originally Posted by jasonvr View Post

Yes, two pairs. If the open box note doesn't show them as missing, tell them. When I did they threw in two pairs of retail Sharp glasses (i.e. the ones usually sold separately)

Thanks they threw in 2 Sharp glasses. This TV is amazing! I need to find some basic calibration settings, I will have it professionally calibrated at some time.
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Are there any other glasses that work with the Elite other than the Sharp units? They are large and bulky.
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Originally Posted by XBRSteve View Post

Are there any other glasses that work with the Elite other than the Sharp units? They are large and bulky.


Most active glasses are.

Maybe they gave you the old style glasses?? the Elite or newer style are nice.

Do they look like this?

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31VRxgGF-EL._AA160_.jpg
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Originally Posted by XBRSteve View Post

Are there any other glasses that work with the Elite other than the Sharp units? They are large and bulky.

These are smaller:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Sharp---Rechargeable-Active-Shutter-3D-Glasses/6667503.p?id=1218770736844&skuId=6667503

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Those are the ones I have now. It's not a big deal it's just coming from a Samsung 3D TV the active shutters were very light but a little fragile. If I had kids they probably would have been history.

Here are the Samsung glasses I had before http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-SSG-5100GB-3D-Active-Glasses/dp/B00BIP816Q/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1371073148&sr=1-2&keywords=samsung+active+shutter+3d+glasses

I wonder how these are? SainSonicGlasses.com
Edited by XBRSteve - 6/12/13 at 3:33pm
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Originally Posted by XBRSteve View Post

Those are the ones I have now ...

If you think the 30s are too big, you'd really hate the 20s. smile.gif
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Originally Posted by gweempose View Post

If you think the 30s are too big, you'd really hate the 20s. smile.gif

3D Goggles eh?...lol
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Originally Posted by kamiraa View Post

Most active glasses are.

Maybe they gave you the old style glasses?? the Elite or newer style are nice.

Do they look like this?

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31VRxgGF-EL._AA160_.jpg

My mistake, I just got home and the one you posted is the one I have.
Edited by XBRSteve - 6/12/13 at 7:21pm
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Originally Posted by XBRSteve View Post

My mistake, I just got home and the one you posted is the one I have.

So it looks like you have either the 20s, or the Elite branded glasses. They are both identical. These are what originally came with the TV. A lot of people like them because they can fit over regular glasses, but they are somewhat bulky. You should definitely check out the 30s (the ones that myoda linked to above). They are a bit smaller and may be more to your liking.
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Originally Posted by AnotherDude View Post

This is the infamous pulsing effect, to me a bigger issue than the cyan thinghy, and a result as you infer of the local dimming algorithms. I get it occasionally on dim interior scenes with even areas, but have tamed it with calibration. The occasional occurrence is not a problem and often just seems to be part of the scene. Playing around with the contrast / brightness can help minimize it. Age should not affect it. I'm surprised you haven't seen it in your 60".

Thank you for giving this issue a name! I was able to google "Sharp Elite pulsing artifact", and find examples that people had recorded and posted on YouTube. That's what I'm seeing, alright!

Now - is there any fix? The firmware update didn't correct it on my set, and I see the problem frequently. I have about 10 days to decide whether or not to keep the set. A number of people have suggested that an ISF calibration will help reduce the problem, but I will need to pay $299 for that, so I'm reluctant to do so since I might end up returning the set afterwards. What can you tell me about this, AnotherDude? Can anyone else vouch for calibration? Is there another solution?
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Originally Posted by Video Auteur View Post

Thank you for giving this issue a name! I was able to google "Sharp Elite pulsing artifact", and find examples that people had recorded and posted on YouTube. That's what I'm seeing, alright!

Now - is there any fix? The firmware update didn't correct it on my set, and I see the problem frequently. I have about 10 days to decide whether or not to keep the set. A number of people have suggested that an ISF calibration will help reduce the problem, but I will need to pay $299 for that, so I'm reluctant to do so since I might end up returning the set afterwards. What can you tell me about this, AnotherDude? Can anyone else vouch for calibration? Is there another solution?

Try searching this thread if you haven't already. After the issue had been know for a while some people found settings that seemed to help. My last post identifies some of what I use and I have never had the problem. If the $299 calibration is from Best Buy, I would also search on that since many people are unhappy with the result.
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Originally Posted by Video Auteur View Post

Thank you for giving this issue a name! I was able to google "Sharp Elite pulsing artifact", and find examples that people had recorded and posted on YouTube. That's what I'm seeing, alright!

Now - is there any fix? The firmware update didn't correct it on my set, and I see the problem frequently. I have about 10 days to decide whether or not to keep the set. A number of people have suggested that an ISF calibration will help reduce the problem, but I will need to pay $299 for that, so I'm reluctant to do so since I might end up returning the set afterwards. What can you tell me about this, AnotherDude? Can anyone else vouch for calibration? Is there another solution?

What AV mode are you using? I believe people have mentioned that the effect is much less noticeable when using Movie THX mode. If you haven't already, I would suggest trying out Newbie's calibration settings to see if they help alleviate the problem:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1358702/official-sharp-elite-pro-70x5-and-60x5-owners-thread/11490#post_22656711
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Originally Posted by dsinger View Post

Try searching this thread if you haven't already. After the issue had been know for a while some people found settings that seemed to help. My last post identifies some of what I use and I have never had the problem. If the $299 calibration is from Best Buy, I would also search on that since many people are unhappy with the result.

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Originally Posted by gweempose View Post

What AV mode are you using? I believe people have mentioned that the effect is much less noticeable when using Movie THX mode. If you haven't already, I would suggest trying out Newbie's calibration settings to see if they help alleviate the problem:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1358702/official-sharp-elite-pro-70x5-and-60x5-owners-thread/11490#post_22656711

My best guess is the pulsing issue is resulted from the IVC algorithm (mainly affects 'LD On') not properly processing certain low total light output scenes. If your settings produce a 100% white at around 30-32fL and you display a low total output scene, there is a very good chance you will see the pulsing/ghosting issue. Try IVC Low, that usually hides the issue pretty well. Since Dsinger mainly uses IVC Low, that is the reason why he doesn't see it often.

Try my settings in my signature below. The pulsing/ghosting effect may be reduced, but not completely eliminated. I've lived with this issue since there are no sets out there I rather have than the Elite without having to pay $10k+. tongue.gif (before others mentions....no, I don't want a plasma)
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So, Sharp is sending a technician tomorrow to replace the faulty IR sensor. For reasons presently unknown to me, Sharp is also planning to replace the Power Supply and the Main Board. Now my concern is with regards to the Main Board. It sounds much more "important" for lack of a better term to the overall performance of the TV. Can anyone on here answer the following:

What does the Main Board do?

Will I lose my ISF calibration settings?

Does the Main Board have any effect on Vertical Banding? Can a new one improve, or worsen my current picture with regards to Vertical Banding?

Any additional advice or insight would be greatly appreciated!
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Anyone know where to buy the remote for the Pro60 or provide me with the model number and I will search for it? I have a calibrator coming next month and he requires the stock remote. BB did not have it when I purchased the unit.
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Originally Posted by XBRSteve View Post

Anyone know where to buy the remote for the Pro60 or provide me with the model number and I will search for it? I have a calibrator coming next month and he requires the stock remote. BB did not have it when I purchased the unit.

GA937WJSA
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Originally Posted by AnotherDude View Post

GA937WJSA
Thanks! Wow it's expensive for something I will only use once, I wish I new someone who had this TV I could borrow it from. I will keep searching.
Edited by XBRSteve - 6/13/13 at 4:15pm
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I was quoted $500 for a "full" calibration is that a fair price?
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Originally Posted by XBRSteve View Post

I was quoted $500 for a "full" calibration is that a fair price?
That depends on who is doing it, if they are local or on tour, and how much you are asking them to do. For an anonymous calibrator, almost anything might be too much. wink.gif

Defining what "full" means in your situation would help. How many modes -- 2D, 3D, audio?
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