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post #13411 of 14509
The only current display that can compete with the Elite IMO, is the F8500. Owning both I can attest to that.

I would have wound up with a 70" Elite to compliment my 60" Elite (now wall-mounted in our bedroom), had it not been for the notorious Nov run of the Elite. This forced me to look elsewhere and I wasn't prepared to put up with the banding on the Sony 950.

I never thought I'd go back to a plasma until I saw the F8500. It has a picture that can easily be mistaken for a full-array LED.

This is not the thread to go into comparison details (I already did some of that in the thread where the OP needs to replace his Elite), but suffice is to say that each display has its advantages and are, IMO, the 2 best around. There are some really great displays this year and everyone benefits. smile.gif
post #13412 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

The only current display that can compete with the Elite IMO, is the F8500. Owning both I can attest to that.

I would have wound up with a 70" Elite to compliment my 60" Elite (now wall-mounted in our bedroom), had it not been for the notorious Nov run of the Elite. This forced me to look elsewhere and I wasn't prepared to put up with the banding on the Sony 950.

I never thought I'd go back to a plasma until I saw the F8500. It has a picture that can easily be mistaken for a full-array LED.

This is not the thread to go into comparison details (I already did some of that in the thread where the OP needs to replace his Elite), but suffice is to say that each display has its advantages and are, IMO, the 2 best around. There are some really great displays this year and everyone benefits. smile.gif
Notorious Nov. run?
post #13413 of 14509
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Originally Posted by XBRSteve View Post

Notorious Nov. run?

read the thread about Nov 2012 sets, there is probably a few hundred posts on it.
post #13414 of 14509
Not all Nov. sets are notorious. One additional thing that Elite brings to the table is excellent 3D. I have not seen great 3D on any plasma so far.

Seems like F8500 also has issues while coming to 3D performance -

http://www.hometheater.com/content/samsung-pn60f8500-3d-plasma-hdtv
post #13415 of 14509
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Originally Posted by nakenergy View Post

Not all Nov. sets are notorious. One additional thing that Elite brings to the table is excellent 3D. I have not seen great 3D on any plasma so far.

Seems like F8500 also has issues while coming to 3D performance -

http://www.hometheater.com/content/samsung-pn60f8500-3d-plasma-hdtv

There have been multiple fixes for issues on the 8500. In fact, I've never seen a company so receptive and eager to respond to issues. I wish all manufacturers were like this.

Regarding 3D, I'm not a fan and honestly haven't even checked it out, but many owners are quite happy with it. I know there was an issue with brightness pops in 3D as there were in 2D. The 2D is 100% fixed, but I'm not sure what the status of the 3D is.
post #13416 of 14509
Is there anyway to disable the 3D message box that appears?
post #13417 of 14509
Just picked up a open box 70. They didn't have the remote, so they gave me an Aquos remote in it's place. I've seen comments in this thread about ISF calibration requiring the original remote.

What do I lose by not having the original remote?

Can I use Newbie's settings through the on TV buttons?

I've been working on getting an awesome 70" LCD for the last 3 years and I so excited to have this one. I've read about 1/3rd of the posts in this awesome thread. Thank you so much for all the valuable information!
post #13418 of 14509
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Originally Posted by NoChanceIV View Post

Just picked up a open box 70. They didn't have the remote, so they gave me an Aquos remote in it's place. I've seen comments in this thread about ISF calibration requiring the original remote.

What do I lose by not having the original remote?

Can I use Newbie's settings through the on TV buttons?

I've been working on getting an awesome 70" LCD for the last 3 years and I so excited to have this one. I've read about 1/3rd of the posts in this awesome thread. Thank you so much for all the valuable information!

That is true about needing it for calibration. You will miss things like a dedicated Netflix button for one I am not sure what else. I to purchased a open box and found a remote on eBay for $40 and have not used it. I will be having my Elite calibrated next month.
post #13419 of 14509
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Originally Posted by XBRSteve View Post

That is true about needing it for calibration. You will miss things like a dedicated Netflix button for one I am not sure what else. I to purchased a open box and found a remote on eBay for $40 and have not used it. I will be having my Elite calibrated next month.

An Aquos remote should have the same functionality as the Elite remote. The Sharp remote is missing a power saving button, and a bank of buttons for a receiver and a backlight control button. If your open item 70X5 powers up with the Aquos remote, all of the other buttons should work also. If you have a Smart Central button on your Sharp remote, try hitting that one to see if it brings up the apps on the Elite. Your calibrator just needs to navigate menus and be able to enter numbers from the remote - ISF day and ISF night modes will be available after your set has been calibrated.

http://remotes.com/store/sharp/ga937wjsa.html

Elite remote
Part number GA937WJSA



http://remotes.com/remotes/servlet/rs?smodel=GA937WJSA&brand_pn=SHARP_GA937WJSA&v=1&o=c&o=c&a=Search&uid=0&m=gb005wjsa&uuid=A13716049996511

Sharp remote
Part number GB005WJSA

Edited by myoda - 6/18/13 at 7:06pm
post #13420 of 14509
Thanks Everyone!

I have the Aquos with the Netflix button, so I'll call it good unless a good deal shows up on Ebay. Appreciate the help..
post #13421 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

The only current display that can compete with the Elite IMO, is the F8500. Owning both I can attest to that.

I would have wound up with a 70" Elite to compliment my 60" Elite (now wall-mounted in our bedroom), had it not been for the notorious Nov run of the Elite. This forced me to look elsewhere and I wasn't prepared to put up with the banding on the Sony 950.

I never thought I'd go back to a plasma until I saw the F8500. It has a picture that can easily be mistaken for a full-array LED.

This is not the thread to go into comparison details (I already did some of that in the thread where the OP needs to replace his Elite), but suffice is to say that each display has its advantages and are, IMO, the 2 best around. There are some really great displays this year and everyone benefits. smile.gif

I agree 100% the Samsung is the only plasma I would seriously consider at this point. Great all around TV!
post #13422 of 14509
I have the pulsing effect often too. Mostly in dimly lit scenes. Annoying as hell. It's almost like the TV can't decide whether that area of the screen needs to be bright or dark.

However I noticed if you have any of the noise reduction options on, it makes it worse.
post #13423 of 14509
You wouldn't consider the VT or ZT60? Those have both beaten the Sammie in comparisons.
post #13424 of 14509
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Originally Posted by baloo_btru View Post

You wouldn't consider the VT or ZT60? Those have both beaten the Sammie in comparisons.

Except in contrast ratio. If you have a lot of ambient light the Sammie is the way to go. As Ken was saying compared to the Elite the F8500 is the only TV that comes close in brightness and blacks.
post #13425 of 14509
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Originally Posted by baloo_btru View Post

You wouldn't consider the VT or ZT60? Those have both beaten the Sammie in comparisons.

The F8500 also won the VE shootout and it was up against the VT and ZT60.
post #13426 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

The F8500 also won the VE shootout and it was up against the VT and ZT60.

The F8500 was awarded THE best tv at the 2013 VE shootout.
post #13427 of 14509
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Originally Posted by bekindrewind View Post

The F8500 was awarded THE best tv at the 2013 VE shootout.
lol...ok
post #13428 of 14509
' Not sure why that strikes you as funny, in that its become a title that's sought after by the manufacturers. The shootout gets a lot of coverage now within the videophile community and some use the results as part of the basis for purchasing decision. The Elite would have walked away with it in 2012 had it not gotten dinged for color accuracy.
post #13429 of 14509
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

' Not sure why that strikes you as funny, in that its become a title that's sought after by the manufacturers. The shootout gets a lot of coverage now within the videophile community and some use the results as part of the basis for purchasing decision. The Elite would have walked away with it in 2012 had it not gotten dinged for color accuracy.

The Elite still holds reference levels in picture quality mainly in its own category, contrast ratio and black levels to name just a few being the most important. The last generation of the Plasma displays to the legendary Pioneer KURO line is still used as a reference model today in it's own category. Although I don't know why the KURO is and the Sharp Elite isn't for the HD Shootouts? That has always puzzled me. cool.gif
post #13430 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

' Not sure why that strikes you as funny, in that its become a title that's sought after by the manufacturers. The shootout gets a lot of coverage now within the videophile community and some use the results as part of the basis for purchasing decision. The Elite would have walked away with it in 2012 had it not gotten dinged for color accuracy.

Sorry, it looked like he re-quoted the same thing you already stated.
post #13431 of 14509
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Originally Posted by XBRSteve View Post

Sorry, it looked like he re-quoted the same thing you already stated.

Ken pointed out...The F8500 also won the VE shootout and it was up against the VT and ZT60.
Sometimes one word can make an impact. Ken said, "also", and I just wanted to point out that according to the shoot out, there is only one winner. That's why I use "THE", when I wrote...The F8500 was awarded THE best tv at the 2013 VE shootout. No disrespect meant at all, wasn't re-quoting and if anyone know a great panel and why, it's Ken Ross. Just wanted to clarify for those who do not know about the VE shoot out that they pick one winner for 2013. It was the Samsung F8500.
Edited by bekindrewind - 6/21/13 at 10:12am
post #13432 of 14509
Does anyone live in the SF Bay Area? I am searching for a calibrator I have spoken to one person so far but the price seems a little high.
post #13433 of 14509
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Originally Posted by XBRSteve View Post

Does anyone live in the SF Bay Area? I am searching for a calibrator I have spoken to one person so far but the price seems a little high.
I live in the SF Bay Area. What was his price? What are you gauging for price comparisons? The area/cost of living for the price or the persons skill?
post #13434 of 14509
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Originally Posted by bekindrewind View Post

I live in the SF Bay Area. What was his price? What are you gauging for price comparisons? The area/cost of living for the price or the persons skill?
$500. I'm only gauging it off of prices from other people.
post #13435 of 14509
Assuming that includes travel, $500 is not that out of the ordinary. I've seen multiple quotes of $450 on the east coast, and with the cost of living in California...
post #13436 of 14509
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Originally Posted by N3W813 View Post


My best guess is the pulsing issue is resulted from the IVC algorithm (mainly affects 'LD On') not properly processing certain low total light output scenes. If your settings produce a 100% white at around 30-32fL and you display a low total output scene, there is a very good chance you will see the pulsing/ghosting issue. Try IVC Low, that usually hides the issue pretty well. Since Dsinger mainly uses IVC Low, that is the reason why he doesn't see it often.

Try my settings in my signature below. The pulsing/ghosting effect may be reduced, but not completely eliminated. I've lived with this issue since there are no sets out there I rather have than the Elite without having to pay $10k+. tongue.gif (before others mentions....no, I don't want a plasma)

Thanks for your help, everybody! The pulsing problem I've noticed is indeed with Local Dimming. Selecting IVC Low eliminates or masks it. Unfortunately, Movie THX with LD produces the most accurate picture on my set, and accurate picture is why I wanted the Elite. Someone suggested that Noise Reduction can have an impact on the pulsing, but on my Elite the Noise Reduction settings don't seem to influence the problem. I liked the results of the calibration settings, N3W813, but it hasn't reduced the pulsing.

I purchased my 60" Sharp Elite 10 months ago and was very impressed. I could hardly see how the picture could be improved (and my career is in TV and film production, so I'm pretty picky about PQ). This convinced me to try a 70" Elite in my home theater. My 60" had been ISF calibrated and uses THX with Local Dimming. I've never seen any pulsing. Using the same settings and sources on the 70", I see pulsing regularly (though not continually, it surfaces a few times per movie). So I'm wondering: is the pulsing problem apparent on all 70" Elites set to Movie THX with LD, or do only some sets exhibit this problem? As noted above, it does seem to be a processing problem, so has anyone had any dialogue with Sharp about this? Sharp has a special service to support this set; has anyone had this problem repaired by Sharp? There's a lot to like about this display, and I'd love to keep it, but I can't drop this much money on a set that has such a distracting artifact on a somewhat regular basis.
post #13437 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Video Auteur View Post

Thanks for your help, everybody! The pulsing problem I've noticed is indeed with Local Dimming. Selecting IVC Low eliminates or masks it. Unfortunately, Movie THX with LD produces the most accurate picture on my set, and accurate picture is why I wanted the Elite. Someone suggested that Noise Reduction can have an impact on the pulsing, but on my Elite the Noise Reduction settings don't seem to influence the problem. I liked the results of the calibration settings, N3W813, but it hasn't reduced the pulsing.

I purchased my 60" Sharp Elite 10 months ago and was very impressed. I could hardly see how the picture could be improved (and my career is in TV and film production, so I'm pretty picky about PQ). This convinced me to try a 70" Elite in my home theater. My 60" had been ISF calibrated and uses THX with Local Dimming. I've never seen any pulsing. Using the same settings and sources on the 70", I see pulsing regularly (though not continually, it surfaces a few times per movie). So I'm wondering: is the pulsing problem apparent on all 70" Elites set to Movie THX with LD, or do only some sets exhibit this problem? As noted above, it does seem to be a processing problem, so has anyone had any dialogue with Sharp about this? Sharp has a special service to support this set; has anyone had this problem repaired by Sharp? There's a lot to like about this display, and I'd love to keep it, but I can't drop this much money on a set that has such a distracting artifact on a somewhat regular basis.

Have you tried THX with IVC low on for any length of time? That configuration is what I always use because I love the PQ not to mask pulsing. The PQ looks very natural to me and I am very picky when it comes to PQ. My advice is to try it for 5-7 days using a wide variety of material. My memory of the issue is that only a few people see it and only occasionally. Don't remember it occurring on the 70" more than the 60".
post #13438 of 14509
i think so.I don't see any reason why it would be any worse then other lcd sets. lJNb
post #13439 of 14509
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Originally Posted by gweempose View Post

What AV mode are you using? I believe people have mentioned that the effect is much less noticeable when using Movie THX mode. If you haven't already, I would suggest trying out Newbie's calibration settings to see if they help alleviate the problem:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1358702/official-sharp-elite-pro-70x5-and-60x5-owners-thread/11490#post_22656711

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Originally Posted by dsinger View Post

Try searching this thread if you haven't already. After the issue had been know for a while some people found settings that seemed to help. My last post identifies some of what I use and I have never had the problem. If the $299 calibration is from Best Buy, I would also search on that since many people are unhappy with the result.

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Originally Posted by Video Auteur View Post

Thanks for your help, everybody! The pulsing problem I've noticed is indeed with Local Dimming. Selecting IVC Low eliminates or masks it. Unfortunately, Movie THX with LD produces the most accurate picture on my set, and accurate picture is why I wanted the Elite. Someone suggested that Noise Reduction can have an impact on the pulsing, but on my Elite the Noise Reduction settings don't seem to influence the problem. I liked the results of the calibration settings, N3W813, but it hasn't reduced the pulsing.

I purchased my 60" Sharp Elite 10 months ago and was very impressed. I could hardly see how the picture could be improved (and my career is in TV and film production, so I'm pretty picky about PQ). This convinced me to try a 70" Elite in my home theater. My 60" had been ISF calibrated and uses THX with Local Dimming. I've never seen any pulsing. Using the same settings and sources on the 70", I see pulsing regularly (though not continually, it surfaces a few times per movie). So I'm wondering: is the pulsing problem apparent on all 70" Elites set to Movie THX with LD, or do only some sets exhibit this problem? As noted above, it does seem to be a processing problem, so has anyone had any dialogue with Sharp about this? Sharp has a special service to support this set; has anyone had this problem repaired by Sharp? There's a lot to like about this display, and I'd love to keep it, but I can't drop this much money on a set that has such a distracting artifact on a somewhat regular basis.

Although a calibration may be able to moderate it, IVC Low appears too "pumped" for my dark room conditions.

I'm wondering whether people don't notice the pulsing because they don't use Movie THX with Local Dimming, or because their set simply doesn't have the pulsing problem. If sets don't normally show this pulsating backlight, it may be something Sharp can repair. Has anyone used Sharp's Elite repair service to address this problem? If so, what were the results?
post #13440 of 14509
Does anyone on here know where I can get a BRAND NEW, FACTORY-FRESH PRO-70X5FD??? Please I need your help. Many thanks
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