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post #13471 of 14509
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Originally Posted by kdog750 View Post


Since it was the last production run, they seemed to throw quality control out the window to save some bucks. There are wide spread issues of DSE and other problems with the set on November builds. They didn't have to worry about taking a hit to the TV's reputation since they knew there would be no more.

My 60" Nov build is perfect. Against my better judgement, I searched hard for the issues that have been reported and found none, Not even a trace of any problem. If Sharp intentionally "throw quality control out the window to save bucks", they didn't do so with mine. And just where did you get the information that Sharp indeed intentionally ignored quality control to save money? Is this factual and proven or just some strange hypothesis?

post #13472 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Mr. Snigggles View Post

My 60" Nov build is perfect. Against my better judgement, I searched hard for the issues that have been reported and found none, Not even a trace of any problem. If Sharp intentionally "throw quality control out the window to save bucks", they didn't do so with mine. And just where did you get the information that Sharp indeed intentionally ignored quality control to save money? Is this factual and proven or just some strange hypothesis?

it was about 70"
post #13473 of 14509
So Sharp threw the QC on the 70" Elite out the window but decided to keep it on the 60"? Sounds kinda fishy to me.
post #13474 of 14509
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Originally Posted by RadTech51 View Post

Misinformation here I'm afraid, if you wish to compare the Sharp Elite an (LED / LCD) Technology to a (Plasma) display then we should get the facts correct.

1. No Plasma display's have better black levels in the Elite, comparable perhaps with the VT60 but still not as good as the Elite.

2. No Plasma display today has the contrast ratio of the Elite or anything close to it. The full screen retina burning bright white uniformity the Elite it's stunning to see, no Plasma comes close to it yet.

3. No image retention, screen burn, buzzing / humming that most Plasma displays exhibit that only increases the further you go above sea level.

4. Elite has much lower power consumption than any Plasma display.

5. Elite screen size is up to 70'' vs 65'' maximum on any Plasma display right now.

I could continue but this is not a comparison thread if you wish you can private msg me anytime to further this conversation. My end point here is pick your poison and go with what you like, there are more than enough justifiable reasons for someone to choose the Elite over a Plasma right now. This thread is about the Sharp Elite and for people interested in purchasing one or wishing to find out more information about one, so let's not forget that. wink.gif

seriously?...I just read this quote of what I stated as I dont visit this thread often

1. Splitting hairs...and you put the Pioneer Kuro in that mix if you want to include discontinued models

2. Samsung F8500

3. Pretty much a non -issue in modern plasmas......but I will give you the fact that if you live in Denver there might be some differences

4. Much lower?.....$25.00 a year( based on 8 hours a day viewing) is MUCH lower?

5. I will give you this one....though that was no part of my original comment

I could go on as well...but a few of the points above are so minimal it doesn't make sense

and will add a 6th point...by far the most important

6. The dollar value to picture quality ratio.....which is really the bottom line cant be touched in a higher end Plasma panel

if you think $25.00 a year in energy usage qualifies as MUCH more energy...how do you define thousands of dollars of cost savings in buying the set?

Dont get me wrong I like the Elite...at the current clearance prices I have seen locally of 55-60% off retail its is NOW a good value

To be honest...when I saw it initially I didnt think it would be a success at that price point and I think the same way about the new Sony 4K TV

The fact that both Sharp and Sony are losing money on the TV business( and have been for a few years) will probably dictate more shake up to come

I get this is not a comparison thread...as my initial comment was positioned against a reply to another posters comment and was really 90% about economics than subjective issues




Warren
Edited by turnne1 - 7/1/13 at 9:37am
post #13475 of 14509
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Originally Posted by mikek753 View Post


it was about 70"

 

So they threw out quality control with the 70, but not the 60? How absurd. I ask for anyone who claims that Sharp intentionally cut quality on the 60 or 70, at anytime, to back up their claim. If they can't, perhaps they will be honorable enough to retract their assertion.

 

Frankly, reading claims, assertions, etc that are presented as "fact", but have no basis in reasonable reality, becomes very old, very quickly. 

post #13476 of 14509
It also damages the reputation a great set and can cause potential buyers to miss out on one of the few remaining new ones out there.
post #13477 of 14509
Wow just had to throw my "condolences" into the ring. I had been eagerly awaiting an 80" set (although I do love my Elite 70" - I bought one of the first ones to go on sale). Was just eyeballing the new Sony 84" 4k at the DWELL design show last week- nice set, but, it still did not compare to my Elite picture. And they want $24k retail (crazy).

Sharp / Elite, what went wrong? What's with this trend of making fabulous, benchmark-setting displays (Kuro, then Elite) and then dropping them like a rock? You excel at making the savvy display consumer both astoundingly happy, and then amazingly dissapointed!!

I do not think there will be any shortage of folks who would buy an 80" Elite set (or larger), and your only present "high end" competitor is Sony's 84" at a rediculous $24k.


Hey side note for DirecTV owners... did you know they will have 4k capable receivers and programming by year's end? That's the latest whisper..
Edited by k_lewis - 7/1/13 at 5:25pm
post #13478 of 14509
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Originally Posted by XBRSteve View Post

$500. I'm only gauging it off of prices from other people.

FYI, I do not know any good calibrators that charge less than $450-$500. If your dealer also happens to be a calibrator, sometimes you'll get the calibration included at N/C with purchasing the display through them- but they've still charged you $450-$500, it's just buried in the price of the display D.

As with hiring any skilled trade professional, you get what you pay for... ;p
post #13479 of 14509
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Originally Posted by rx74ray View Post

Hi all Eliters..

I am looking into replacing my defective XBR65HX950. BB is offering me a 70" Elite display model for $3999. How does it sound?

crap.. I hope you bought it... eek.gif
post #13480 of 14509
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Originally Posted by RadTech51 View Post

Misinformation here I'm afraid, if you wish to compare the Sharp Elite an (LED / LCD) Technology to a (Plasma) display then we should get the facts correct.

1. No Plasma display's have better black levels in the Elite, comparable perhaps with the VT60 but still not as good as the Elite.

2. No Plasma display today has the contrast ratio of the Elite or anything close to it. The full screen retina burning bright white uniformity the Elite it's stunning to see, no Plasma comes close to it yet.

3. No image retention, screen burn, buzzing / humming that most Plasma displays exhibit that only increases the further you go above sea level.

4. Elite has much lower power consumption than any Plasma display.

5. Elite screen size is up to 70'' vs 65'' maximum on any Plasma display right now.

I could continue but this is not a comparison thread if you wish you can private msg me anytime to further this conversation. My end point here is pick your poison and go with what you like, there are more than enough justifiable reasons for someone to choose the Elite over a Plasma right now. This thread is about the Sharp Elite and for people interested in purchasing one or wishing to find out more information about one, so let's not forget that. wink.gif

Excellent post. If there were a better overall looking display than the Elite I'd have already sold my 70" and own it by now, even if it was a tad bit smaller. Bottom line to my eyes is no equal comparison on other brands at present to the Elite sets. For those looking to save some bucks, the new Sharp 240hz 80" is excellent bang for the buck- it's no Elite, but, you really can't complain about it's picture quality for the pricing.

My plan was to pick up an Elite 80" for the main room and move the Elite 70" to the bedroom, but now those plans are obviously firmly squashed..
post #13481 of 14509
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Originally Posted by k_lewis View Post

Excellent post. If there were a better overall looking display than the Elite I'd have already sold my 70" and own it by now, even if it was a tad bit smaller. Bottom line to my eyes is no equal comparison on other brands at present to the Elite sets. For those looking to save some bucks, the new Sharp 240hz 80" is excellent bang for the buck- it's no Elite, but, you really can't complain about it's picture quality for the pricing.

My plan was to pick up an Elite 80" for the main room and move the Elite 70" to the bedroom, but now those plans are obviously firmly squashed..

From the horse's mouth..
http://www.twice.com/articletype/news/sharp-unveils-70%E2%80%9D-ultra-hd-led-lcd-tv/107507
snip:
“This is our best designed TV, ever,” Sanduski said, adding that the “4K format’s ability to reproduce fine detail is best showcased on larger screens.”

The company will distribute the set through UPP partner dealers including local specialty A/V, custom installer and CE chains with regional and national footprints.

The set will offer improved image quality, but Sharp executives were hesitant to say if it would produce the same award-winning black level, contrast and color performance as the company’s Elite branded FullHD LCD TVs, which are on a temporary hiatus.

Sharp marketing VP Mark Viken told TWICE it was too early to say what Sharp’s plans might be for the Elite line later this year or next year.

Well, I guess we will have to stay tuned for more details.



4K, but no moth eye? No mention in any hype. Hopefully it will make it stateside. The anti-reflective surface would seal the deal for me. Plus some 4K content.

http://youtu.be/-J60SxbRw3s

http://youtu.be/8esJOoEpkzI

http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/ce-week-2013-first-impression-of-the-sharp-70-inch-ultra-hd-4k-tv/
post #13482 of 14509
Myoda- my only head scrathcer...
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Sanduski said the Sharp 70-inch Ultra HD TV will also incorporate a built-in 35-watt multi-speaker, dual-subwoofer sound system with separate midrange, tweeter and subwoofer drivers built into the front-firing array

Ok, why? Dropping $8k on a display and no A/V receiver / surround system? Oh my... ;p

Anyway, I prefer the stealth minimalist frames of a display-only model. built in subwoofers etc seem more appropirate on the midline-quality sets.

Hey, we can only hope that the Elite "hiatus" comment is to allow their techs to add 4k to the future Elite sets... Now wouldn't that be nice.
post #13483 of 14509
"Temporary hiatus"?
post #13484 of 14509
Can someone tell me if the standard Sharp GB005WJSA remote will work with the Elite? I just picked up a demo unit and they didn't have the Elite remote, so they gave me this one. It doesn't seem to work with the TV. Can someone verify if it should?

I'm hoping I don't have the Remote Sensor issue I've been reading about.

Thanks!
post #13485 of 14509
I'm pretty sure it will. It just won't have the Netflix button from what I understand. If possible, look into a quality universal remote like a harmony. The set operates off of the old Pioneer Elite commands.
post #13486 of 14509
An insect somehow crawled in behind the glass!

I was watching earlier this evening (I have the 70") and saw what appeared to be a small bug crawling excitedly around the screen. I assumed it was on top of the display, and so did nothing, figuring it would fly away. Instead, it slowed down and came to rest just above the middle of the screen (of course). So I grabbed the vacuum cleaner, figuring I'd suck it off rather than using a tissue or something (since that might smear the screen!). But it didn't move.....at all. And it is, in fact, BEHIND the glass!!

How do I get that out of there?

I'm assuming that the set should be turned off so that it won't be attracted to the light it gives off, but I doubt the insect will be able to find its way out!

Any ideas?

And if no success, is this something that could be repaired merely by a Sharp technician opening the set, or would I risk some sort of "board replacement" or the like, wiping out my calibrated settings?
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Originally Posted by MasonStorm@AVS View Post

An insect somehow crawled in behind the glass!

I was watching earlier this evening (I have the 70") and saw what appeared to be a small bug crawling excitedly around the screen. I assumed it was on top of the display, and so did nothing, figuring it would fly away. Instead, it slowed down and came to rest just above the middle of the screen (of course). So I grabbed the vacuum cleaner, figuring I'd suck it off rather than using a tissue or something (since that might smear the screen!). But it didn't move.....at all. And it is, in fact, BEHIND the glass!!

How do I get that out of there?

I'm assuming that the set should be turned off so that it won't be attracted to the light it gives off, but I doubt the insect will be able to find its way out!

Any ideas?

And if no success, is this something that could be repaired merely by a Sharp technician opening the set, or would I risk some sort of "board replacement" or the like, wiping out my calibrated settings?

Call Elite support at Sharp. After they stop laughing, perhaps they can help. good luck.
post #13488 of 14509
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Originally Posted by turnne1 View Post

seriously?...I just read this quote of what I stated as I dont visit this thread often

1. Splitting hairs...and you put the Pioneer Kuro in that mix if you want to include discontinued models

2. Samsung F8500

3. Pretty much a non -issue in modern plasmas......but I will give you the fact that if you live in Denver there might be some differences

4. Much lower?.....$25.00 a year( based on 8 hours a day viewing) is MUCH lower?

5. I will give you this one....though that was no part of my original comment

I could go on as well...but a few of the points above are so minimal it doesn't make sense

and will add a 6th point...by far the most important

6. The dollar value to picture quality ratio.....which is really the bottom line cant be touched in a higher end Plasma panel

if you think $25.00 a year in energy usage qualifies as MUCH more energy...how do you define thousands of dollars of cost savings in buying the set?

Dont get me wrong I like the Elite...at the current clearance prices I have seen locally of 55-60% off retail its is NOW a good value

To be honest...when I saw it initially I didnt think it would be a success at that price point and I think the same way about the new Sony 4K TV

The fact that both Sharp and Sony are losing money on the TV business( and have been for a few years) will probably dictate more shake up to come

I get this is not a comparison thread...as my initial comment was positioned against a reply to another posters comment and was really 90% about economics than subjective issues




Warren

So with the Pioneer you may get slightly better blacks (arguably) but have to deal with noticeably dimmer whites and contrast ratio. With the Sammy Plasma, you get great whites and contrast ratio for a Plasma (though still not quite as good as the Elite) and noticeably poorer black levels (though still good).

The real strengths that favor the best plasma sets IMO is motion handling and even that isn't a night and day difference. Bang for the buck is another advantage you get with Plasma.

Besides the Kuro, the Sammy is the only Plasma I personally would have interest in at this point but I refuse to downgrade to a smaller size. The Elite does most things right IMO except for price.
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Hi:
I was wondering if someone could help me. I bought the PRO-70X5 recently. I installed the latest firmware. I use "Movie THX" mode almost all the time. But sometimes picture mode would switch to another at random. It's getting really annoying. I'm trying to read manual to see if there is anything I'm missing. Does anyone have this problem or know what I'm doing incorrectly? Any help would be really appreciated.
post #13490 of 14509
That's a new one...

Sorry, I have NO IDEA what's going on there. Are you using a universal remote and maybe have a bad macro?
post #13491 of 14509
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Originally Posted by taiwan View Post

Hi:
I was wondering if someone could help me. I bought the PRO-70X5 recently. I installed the latest firmware. I use "Movie THX" mode almost all the time. But sometimes picture mode would switch to another at random. It's getting really annoying. I'm trying to read manual to see if there is anything I'm missing. Does anyone have this problem or know what I'm doing incorrectly? Any help would be really appreciated.

I've never seen this. I use Movie THX mode almost exclusively, and it never changes to another mode unless I manually select it. The only thing I can possibly think of is that you have HDMI control (CEC) turned on, and one of your other pieces of equipment is doing it.
post #13492 of 14509
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Originally Posted by k_lewis View Post

Sharp / Elite, what went wrong? What's with this trend of making fabulous, benchmark-setting displays (Kuro, then Elite) and then dropping them like a rock? You excel at making the savvy display consumer both astoundingly happy, and then amazingly dissapointed!!

I think the bottom line is that Pioneer and Sharp were both losing a ton of money on these sets. Sadly, what the Kuro, and now the Sharp Elite have clearly illustrated is that there just isn't a big enough of a high-end market to support sets like this. Both of these panels represented the absolute state of the art in terms of picture quality and technology. As a result, they cost a lot of money to produce, and the buyers simply weren't there, at least not enough of them. The writing is on the wall. Every company is dumping full array local dimming and focusing on edge lighting instead. Yes, it's a step backwards, but that's unfortunately where the market is right now.What's a real shame is that none of the plasma makers attempted to go after the 70"+ market. Panasonic and Samsung have now shown that a plasma rivaling the picture quality of the Elite is possible at a much lower price point. Unfortunately, they max out at 65". Perhaps going any larger than this would be cost prohibitive. I'm certainly no expert in the area.
post #13493 of 14509
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Originally Posted by gweempose View Post

I think the bottom line is that Pioneer and Sharp were both losing a ton of money on these sets. Sadly, what the Kuro, and now the Sharp Elite have clearly illustrated is that there just isn't a big enough of a high-end market to support sets like this. Both of these panels represented the absolute state of the art in terms of picture quality and technology. As a result, they cost a lot of money to produce, and the buyers simply weren't there, at least not enough of them. The writing is on the wall. Every company is dumping full array local dimming and focusing on edge lighting instead. Yes, it's a step backwards, but that's unfortunately where the market is right now.What's a real shame is that none of the plasma makers attempted to go after the 70"+ market. Panasonic and Samsung have now shown that a plasma rivaling the picture quality of the Elite is possible at a much lower price point. Unfortunately, they max out at 65". Perhaps going any larger than this would be cost prohibitive. I'm certainly no expert in the area.

+1
I think you are right about the cost factor.
The tech to make larger plasma has been for many years - Panasonic has large plasma sizes, but the price starts from 5 digits and goes to 6 digits - that is for sure isn't mass market.
post #13494 of 14509
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Originally Posted by mikek753 View Post

The tech to make larger plasma has been for many years - Panasonic has large plasma sizes, but the price starts from 5 digits and goes to 6 digits - that is for sure isn't mass market.

Exactly, because the really large plasmas have generally been aimed at the commercial market. My question is why didn't Panasonic or Samsung aggressively pursue the home market with mass produced plasmas in 70+ inch screen sizes? I can only guess that it is one of two things. Either it is cost prohibitive to produce plasmas in such large sizes, or they are too power hungry for a home environment. There has to be a logical reason, because an 80" version of the F8500 with a street price of $6,500 would have been a HUGE seller for Samsung. Clearly, this isn't possible, or it would exist.
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^^^

seems to me there is no mass market for 70+ displays for the home: particularly plasmas which would weigh well over 150 pounds: otherwise it would have been exploited
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Originally Posted by Sick Mother View Post

That's a new one...

Sorry, I have NO IDEA what's going on there. Are you using a universal remote and maybe have a bad macro?

I don't use universal remote. However, I did notice supplied remote to be somewhat unreliable. The On/Off button don't respond very well. I've already changed the battery and that didn't improve. Sometimes I have to press the button 5 times to turn on the TV. Could a bad remote do this? It's a floor model I purchased from Best Buy though. I couldn't pass up the deal when it was advertised as excellent condition for $3500 which is below half price for this TV.
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Originally Posted by gweempose View Post

I've never seen this. I use Movie THX mode almost exclusively, and it never changes to another mode unless I manually select it. The only thing I can possibly think of is that you have HDMI control (CEC) turned on, and one of your other pieces of equipment is doing it.

That sounds possible as I have 3 HDMI connection hooked up to the TV. But I was pretty sure the other were not turned on at all. I'll check the HDMI control and see if there are some kind of setting messing up the picture mode. Still, I don't understand how picture setting will get changed if I select a different HDMI input.

The TV was a floor model I bought for $3500 at Best Buy. It may have more hours of usage than any of your TV's. But I doubt that is the problem. I did purchase 2 year geeksquad protection which allows me to exchange a new unit in the worst case scenario. But it's hard to prove there is a problem if it happens so randomly.

Another annoying thing I found was the power consumption. I have a Belkin surge protector that has auto-off feature whenever the master device (TV) is off. With my SONY XBR it worked perfectly. I turn off the TV and everything connected to the slave plug will be off. With the Elite TV it doesn't work at all. I think even during the off position the Elite still uses some electricity, which made the surge protector think that the TV isn't really off.
Edited by taiwan - 7/2/13 at 12:24pm
post #13497 of 14509
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Originally Posted by gweempose View Post

I think the bottom line is that Pioneer and Sharp were both losing a ton of money on these sets. Sadly, what the Kuro, and now the Sharp Elite have clearly illustrated is that there just isn't a big enough of a high-end market to support sets like this. Both of these panels represented the absolute state of the art in terms of picture quality and technology. As a result, they cost a lot of money to produce, and the buyers simply weren't there, at least not enough of them. The writing is on the wall. Every company is dumping full array local dimming and focusing on edge lighting instead. Yes, it's a step backwards, but that's unfortunately where the market is right now.What's a real shame is that none of the plasma makers attempted to go after the 70"+ market. Panasonic and Samsung have now shown that a plasma rivaling the picture quality of the Elite is possible at a much lower price point. Unfortunately, they max out at 65". Perhaps going any larger than this would be cost prohibitive. I'm certainly no expert in the area.

We all agree Philips/Magnavox is POS. But back in the 1990-1991, Philips did try to make Reference components. They had CD players and AV receivers costing $4000 each. They also had a $2000 Laserdisc player that became a reference player for Ken Crane. But there isn't any market for them. They only made them one year. Very few people can shell out 8 grand for a 70" TV. Most Best Buy stores never sold one unit of Elite TV according to what I've heard. You take a look for speaker system that cost more than your typical car. The production is only a couple hundred units. For Elite and Kuro to survive and be profitable, they would have to charge $20,000 per unit just like some of the specialty speaker companies.

I'm surprised these consumer electronics companies never learn the lessons from others. You cannot sell cost-no-object items using typical consumer business model. With that said I was really thrilled to score a 70" Elite for $3500.
post #13498 of 14509
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Originally Posted by taiwan View Post

I don't use universal remote. However, I did notice supplied remote to be somewhat unreliable. The On/Off button don't respond very well. I've already changed the battery and that didn't improve. Sometimes I have to press the button 5 times to turn on the TV.

This sounds like the infamous IR receiver board problem that many owners have experienced. Call Sharp, and they should send someone out to fix it for you for free of charge.
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Originally Posted by taiwan View Post

With that said, I was really thrilled to score a 70" Elite for $3500.

That's a phenomenal price. Nice score!
post #13499 of 14509
Taiwan, you have a few things going on simultaneously. As was previously stated, your Elite (like many) has a failing IR sensor. The replacement is cheap and easy and instructions can be found in this thread.

Your surge protection isn't bad and neither is the TV, but they are incompatible. You need a surge protector that outputs pure sine wave. Sounds like your Belkin is stepped.

Your picture mode issue is still baffling.

John
post #13500 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Sick Mother View Post

Your surge protection isn't bad and neither is the TV, but they are incompatible. You need a surge protector that outputs pure sine wave. Sounds like your Belkin is stepped.

I think you've confused his surge protector with a UPS. It sounded to me like he was talking about one of those energy saving surge protectors that has a power sensing outlet. When the device plugged into the control outlet is shut off, the power strip automatically shuts off the power to all the auxiliary devices. It's probably something along these lines:

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