or Connect
AVS › AVS Forum › Display Devices › LCD Flat Panel Displays › Official Sharp Elite PRO-70X5 and 60X5 Owners Thread
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Official Sharp Elite PRO-70X5 and 60X5 Owners Thread - Page 459

post #13741 of 14509
Quote:
Originally Posted by baron2 View Post

what are the rest of the setting? You left most of them out.

I didn't post them up as I am still tweaking.. Again, there 99% Ken Ross's. But I will as soon as I get them to the point that it looks stellar.. Again, this will be for Comcast Cable, Sports etc... It will be rich in color with lots of pop with deep blacks.

I now understand what you mean about the audio, I have been tweaking it as well. It's ok, I have a sound bar with sub woofer so I'm good. smile.gif
Edited by Sound & Vision - 8/7/13 at 9:11am
post #13742 of 14509
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by YOTR View Post

Well I got to play with the tv a bit last night. I am cleaning my area tonight to set it up properly. I inputed the THX settings that were mentioned earlier. I am pretty impressed right out of the box. I am not sure how I feel about them with uverse though. They almost have a dull look to them. What is everyone using settings wise? Do you use THX for everything? I remember using Pure for pretty much every back before I got my Kuro calibrated. Then I had it calibrated where Performance was my day setting and Movie mode was for night. It made a huge difference.

I am sure I will eventually get someone out to unlock and calibrate ISF Day/Night but so far so good. Tron Legacy looked amazing and the black levels were better than my 6020. Now that is a red tint 6020 that needed to be calibrated again (almost had a dark grey for the black levels) but still very impressive. The soap opera effect thing is kind of hard to get used to though coming from plasma so I may turn that off.

After listenining to the speakers, I agree with Baron2 that the speakers are not as good as the ones on my 6020. I believe the Elite's speakers are rear facing like every other lcd which to me hurts the sound. I am sure it's a space saving measure but I hate that manufacturers are doing this. My kuro had a speaker bar that attached to the bottom and it was very impressive. Still though the Elite's speakers are very good and the best I have heard on a flat screen in recent memory. Still undecided if I should get a cheap sound bar now or wait a bit.

Much has to do with the source content it's not always your settings so keep that in mind. To get the best impression from your calibration results always us a Blu-ray disc. wink.gif

PS: You can search through different channels on your ATT U-verse to know what I'm talking about regarding source content, some channels will look faded especially on commercials while other channels or movie content will look just fine. You will see exactly what I"m talking about when you put more viewing hours on your Elite. cool.gif
post #13743 of 14509
Quote:
Originally Posted by RadTech51 View Post

Much has to do with the source content it's not always your settings so keep that in mind. To get the best impression from your calibration results always us a Blu-ray disc. wink.gif

PS: You can search through different channels on your ATT U-verse to know what I'm talking about regarding source content, some channels will look faded especially on commercials while other channels or movie content will look just fine. You will see exactly what I"m talking about when you put more viewing hours on your Elite. cool.gif

I agree Uverse is hit and miss. I remember it being that way even with my Kuro. Tron definitely looked great on blu ray though so I am not to worried. I plan to give Prometheus a test drive in 3D this week. It's the only 3D movie I have so I might as well try it (don't really care for 3D). I actually only bought the 3D set because of extra features for the movie itself compared to the standard blu ray release.
post #13744 of 14509
Quote:
Originally Posted by RadTech51 View Post

Much has to do with the source content it's not always your settings so keep that in mind. To get the best impression from your calibration results always us a Blu-ray disc. wink.gif

PS: You can search through different channels on your ATT U-verse to know what I'm talking about regarding source content, some channels will look faded especially on commercials while other channels or movie content will look just fine. You will see exactly what I"m talking about when you put more viewing hours on your Elite. cool.gif

I hear what your saying as far as content is concern. I have been using your settings since last Saturday and they look good on my set.
The only change I made was a couple of clicks on the sharpness. Im using directv
post #13745 of 14509
Maybe Im just missing this but I dont seem to be able to do before and after when I am making tweeks to my settings.
post #13746 of 14509
*Here are my tweaked out Ken Ross "USER" Picture Mode Settings. They look great on my TV using a Comcast DCX3400 Cable Box. smile.gif

Intelligent Variable Contrast [Local Dimming On]
OPC [Off]
Backlight [Standard]
Contrast [+34]
Brightness [-4]
Color [+7]
Tint [0]
Sharpness [+2]
Gamma [-2]

C.M.S.-Hue
R [+4]
Y [-10]
G [0]
C [-10]
B [+10]
M [0]

C.M.S.-Saturation
R [-5]
Y [0]
G [+10]
C [0]
B [-10]
M [0]

C.M.S.-Value
R [0]
Y [0]
G [0]
C [-5]
B [0]
M [0]

Color Temp. [Mid-Low]

Active Contrast [On]
Noise Reduction [Adjust as needed]
Motion Enhancement [Off]
Precision Color Plus [Off]
Film Mode [Off]
Power Saver [Off]
Monochrome [Off]

Enjoy!!


Edited by Sound & Vision - 8/7/13 at 4:29pm
post #13747 of 14509
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sound & Vision View Post

*Here are my tweaked out Ken Ross "USER" Picture Mode Settings. They look great on my TV using a Comcast DCX3400 Cable Box. smile.gif

Intelligent Variable Contrast [Local Dimming On]
OPC [Off]
Backlight [Standard]
Contrast [+34]
Brightness [-4]
Color [+7]
Tint [0]
Sharpness [+2]
Gamma [-2]

C.M.S.-Hue
R [+4]
Y [-10]
G [0]
C [-10]
B [+10]
M [0]

C.M.S.-Saturation
R [-5]
Y [0]
G [+10]
C [0]
B [-10]
M [0]

C.M.S.-Value
R [0]
Y [0]
G [0]
C [-5]
B [0]
M [0]

Color Temp. [Mid-Low]

Active Contrast [On]
Noise Reduction [Adjust as needed]
Motion Enhancement [Off]
Precision Color Plus [Off]
Film Mode [Off]
Power Saver [Off]
Monochrome [Off]

Enjoy!!


What settings did you start with before you made changes.
These are user mode settings correct?
post #13748 of 14509
Quote:
Originally Posted by baron2 View Post

What settings did you start with before you made changes.
These are user mode settings correct?

Yes,,, Whatever the default User settings were that came with this TV are now changed to the above settings.

I also like the factory Movie setting alot for Blu Rays, smile.gif
Edited by Sound & Vision - 8/7/13 at 9:59pm
post #13749 of 14509
The new guys in here should really try out N3W813's THX Movie settings. They can be found in his signature.
I have a 70" 2011 build that I bought new in October 2011...paid dearly for it.
N3W813's settings are 100% spot on to my eyes.
He has 2 sets of numbers
One set for 2011 builds and one for Nov 12 builds.
Can't hurt to put them in.
I use THX Movie with his settings for 100% of my viewing.
I use Direct TV and an Oppo BDP93 player.
I never change the color mode.
I sometimes, on bright days, put the IVC on Advanced Low...otherwise its Local Dimming ON 90% of the time.
For some great 3D...check out Under the Sea 3D
post #13750 of 14509
Well I finally got to spend some time with the set. The black levels are insane. No light leakage or clouds that I can see which is something I normally expect with LCD. I watched parts of Prometheus and Avengers and was very impressed.

I think I see very minor banding though which kind of bummed me out but then again I am used to dirty screen effect on the Kuro (had it on all of mine but I barely had it on my old 6020). I noticed the banding a bit when the camera panned left or right on really white or bright scenes. It's isn't horrible but it reminds me of the DSE I had on my kuro's except that was noticeable when the camera panned up and down. I think I see a very faint thicker band on the right side a few inches from the bezel also. Normally I had to pause the movie and look for it on the right so I am probably being a tad picky (it doesn't stick out and isn't really obvious). I really only noticed it because I started looking around the screen during bright scenes while watching uverse (I guess a kuro habit from back in the day with DSE). I thought it was just the mediocre HD source but I guess not.

I remember Baron2 posting awhile back what his set looked like when he put it on a blue and white screen but I haven't tried that with mine. I guess if you look for issues, you will find them and I know nothing is perfect. It's still slightly annoying though. This is the best looking LCD I have seen though. Normally you are guaranteed clouds, flashlight, light black levels, and some type of banding but this set is pretty amazing.

Trying to let my OCD not get the best of me with regards to the banding I see. Then again I remember seeing this on the BB demo display that I decided not to get (it was a Nov 2012 build though and mine is an Oct 2011).
Edited by YOTR - 8/7/13 at 8:40pm
post #13751 of 14509
Quote:
Originally Posted by obxdiver View Post

The new guys in here should really try out N3W813's THX Movie settings. They can be found in his signature.
I have a 70" 2011 build that I bought new in October 2011...paid dearly for it.
N3W813's settings are 100% spot on to my eyes.
He has 2 sets of numbers
One set for 2011 builds and one for Nov 12 builds.
Can't hurt to put them in.
I use THX Movie with his settings for 100% of my viewing.
I use Direct TV and an Oppo BDP93 player.
I never change the color mode.
I sometimes, on bright days, put the IVC on Advanced Low...otherwise its Local Dimming ON 90% of the time.
For some great 3D...check out Under the Sea 3D

I just put in his 2011 settings and wow! I am very impressed! It gave the picture more pop for me. Very pleased. Thanks!
post #13752 of 14509
Yes, Newbies settings for thx movie are great also.
post #13753 of 14509
Quote:
Originally Posted by baron2 View Post

Yes, Newbies settings for thx movie are great also.

I can't get over how much it improved the already great thx settings I had before. The dullness that I noticed disappeared. Plus the image has a very "plasma" like quality which I prefer to the super bright lcd look. The image clarity is amazing on this set. It is better than my kuro without a doubt.

I played a little bit of Last of Us before I went to bed and scanned the sky during the day back and forth to check the banding I mentioned (I ironically used to do this with the kuro when I initially got it to confirm how bad the DSE was). There is definitely light banding/DSE (or whatever you want to call it) but nothing major. I am still evaluating the one thicker band I saw on the right side. I think I see it during movies (watching the avengers during a bright blue sky scene) but when I pause the movie it is REALLY hard to pick out. I almost think my mind is seeing more than is there. When the camera pans though (left and right) you can see the subtle DSE/banding though. Again the BB demo set I almost bought had the same thing except you could actually pick it out under the bright lights in there store. I know banding is common withe LCD's and even the VT60 has numerous reports about banding on the screen that barely shows up on viewing content or not at all. It's probably just the OCD side of me. My kuro wasn't remotely perfect even brand new. Heck when I got the Kuro, I was just relieved to not have to deal with clouds and flashlighting anymore. So DSE was something I just accepted. I have read many posts in this thread about this also so it might not be on every set but it seems like some notice it more than others.

Part of me wants to call Sharp but my set is basically perfect otherwise. No light leakage, no flashlighting, amazing black levels, no obvious nicks or scratches on the screen. I would hate to take a chance on a swap and it be worse or have other issues that my set doesn't have (which I think is a real possibility). Plus there is not guarantee that it would be brand new (don't want a refurbished one) or it might be a November build. I know they are not making them anymore so who knows. I also feel like they either wouldn't see what I was talking about or say it is "within spec". My friend came over and he couldn't see what I was talking about. Then again he has a cheap lcd so he isn't going to over analyze his set. I hate being picky when it comes to this smile.gif.

Also I will say after watching a few hours of content on blu ray, this set is better than my Kuro hands down. Yes I will say that again, as a Kuro supporter for years, this set beats it and not just barely. Now that is my opinion after owning a 3 year old Kuro with red tint and grey black levels (needed to be calibrated again).
Edited by YOTR - 8/8/13 at 6:58am
post #13754 of 14509
I'm in a bit of a pickle. I'm moving places and have a wall-mounted 70" Elite. Since it's wall-mounted, I got rid the stand sometime last year. Eventually, it will be wall-mounted again at the new place, but for now I could really use a stand for the next few months. Where can I find one? Even better would be a loaner of course, but I doubt anyone is willing to lend one to a total stranger! smile.gif Any advice on where I could locate one around San Diego CA would be appreciated. Thanks!
post #13755 of 14509
Quote:
Originally Posted by bjorg View Post

I'm in a bit of a pickle. I'm moving places and have a wall-mounted 70" Elite. Since it's wall-mounted, I got rid the stand sometime last year. Eventually, it will be wall-mounted again at the new place, but for now I could really use a stand for the next few months. Where can I find one? Even better would be a loaner of course, but I doubt anyone is willing to lend one to a total stranger! smile.gif Any advice on where I could locate one around San Diego CA would be appreciated. Thanks!

*Call Elite customer service; 1 (855) 354-8301

They should have a few in stock, Tell them you need a stand for a 70" Elite, plus the two small metal stand support brackets and the 12 stand screws (8-Long screws & 4-Short screws). smile.gif

*If Elite is out of stock then contact Encompass Parts. They should have it;

https://www.encompassparts.com/model/SHAPRO70X5FD/_/_/Sharp/PRO70X5FD/
Edited by Sound & Vision - 8/9/13 at 5:04am
post #13756 of 14509
Damn I am getting the dreaded pulsing effect on my 60"!
post #13757 of 14509
For those who had the IR board problem, did it progressively get worse until it completely stopped working?

Got a great deal on a NIB 60" a few days ago. Very happy with it, although it is a Nov. 2012 build.

The IR isn't bad, but not the greatest....so I'm concerned it will fail in the near future. It more or less just seems weak, like I have to be careful about how direct I am pointing the remote. I notice it mostly when changing OTA channels. Sometimes it won't catch every button. No noticeable problems powering it on though. Am I doomed? Just lucky it isn't some other more serious problem..
Edited by beemarp - 8/9/13 at 9:31am
post #13758 of 14509
Late last night I noticed on my 70" I was getting some kind of video flashing (for a lack of a better word). The source was my Cox DVR on all channels.
When I get home tonight. I'm going to try other sources like my Bluray and OTA signal. I'm praying that its the DVR! That I can replace from Cox.
Anybody see this before? I'm probably not describing this well, but about every 30 seconds or so the picture does a quick flash. Its hardly noticeable but now its driving me crazy.
post #13759 of 14509
S&V,

Thanks for the pointers. Called Elite support but they were out. I did get a list of the needed parts though.

Thanks!
post #13760 of 14509
Quote:
Originally Posted by beemarp View Post

For those who had the IR board problem, did it progressively get worse until it completely stopped working?

Got a great deal on a NIB 60" a few days ago. Very happy with it, although it is a Nov. 2012 build.

The IR isn't bad, but not the greatest....so I'm concerned it will fail in the near future. It more or less just seems weak, like I have to be careful about how direct I am pointing the remote. I notice it mostly when changing OTA channels. Sometimes it won't catch every button. No noticeable problems powering it on though. Am I doomed? Just lucky it isn't some other more serious problem..
it seemed to be progressive for me. I would notice the DVR's universal remote wasn't toggling the Elite on/off during a press of the "All On" button. so I would have to go back and turn the Elite on/off and directly point the remote at the sensor, where before it would respond as long as the remote was facing toward the side of the room the TV was on. Eventually it stopped responding at all, even to the Elite remote.

I agree at least it isn't something more serious. So I had to get up and press the power button, at least I still get to enjoy the glorious picture.
post #13761 of 14509
I tested the 3D out this morning with Prometheus and I must say I am very impressed. I doubt I will use the feature much (probably rent the occasional 3D kids movie for my children) but it looked very good. I also tried out some PS3 games in 3D and they were ok but not near as impressive as movies. I was playing Shadow of the Colossus with the kids and confirmed that I definitely do have DSE/Banding on my screen that only shows up if you pan to the left or right of the screen with really light colors (white and light blue show it the most). If I stop moving from left to right, the DSE/Banding goes away completely. I remember reading other people in this thread with the same issue. I don't see the thicker band I thought I saw before so that's good. The main times I have seen it is in video games if I am looking for it (purposely panning the camera). I only caught it a few times in the Tangled blu ray but I was also looking for it. It definitely gives me a Kuro DSE feel even though I still think it should be labeled as banding. Unlike normal banding though, you can't see it unless there is a certain type of movement (I had banding in the past that you could see clearly even if nothing was moving on the screen).

I know games are not the best judge for this because of all of the processing going on compared to the clarity of blu ray so I will keep testing. Still undecided what I am going to do but I am probably just going to deal with it. I went to BB to check out that demo and found another BB with another demo Elite. They both had the same type of DSE/Banding mine has and one was a Nov 2012 build and the other was 2011. I really think it would be a panel lottery at this point if I called Sharp. Everything else is flawless on this set. Yes I am annoyed by what I perceive as DSE/Banding but I know nothing is perfect and I don't know if it's worth the possible aggravation to get a swap from Sharp and risk further problems (I noticed some users in this thread had even more issues after multiple swaps compared to their original set).


Would what I am seeing be classified as banding or DSE? If I can't make out these vertical lines or whatever they are during a movie when the screen doesn't pan to the left and right, is that still banding? Again the banding that I know of (or have had experience with) is what you see even if the screen doesn't move.
Edited by YOTR - 8/9/13 at 5:08pm
post #13762 of 14509
*I found these THX settings in an older post by Radtech51. They were on another forum. They are working great with my 60". Give them a try. It's good to have options. smile.gif

THX Picture Mode Settings.

Intelligent Variable Contrast
[Local Dimming On]

OPC [Off]

Backlight
[STD] -16 - +16

Contrast [+32]

Brightness [+1]

Color [0]

Tint [0]

Sharpness [0]

Advanced

C.M.S.-Hue
R [0]
Y [-2]
G [+4]
C [0]
B [-3]
M [+6]

C.M.S.-Saturation
R [0]
Y [-5]
G [+2]
C [+8]
B [+1]
M [0]

C.M.S.-Value
R [+5]
Y [+2]
G [-2]
C [-13]
B [+8]
M [-2]

Color Temp.
10 Point Setting [ON]

Position [+1]
R Gain [+15]
G Gain [-4]
B Gain [0]

Position [+2]
R Gain [+6]
G Gain [-8]
B Gain [-15]

Position [+3]
R Gain [+6]
G Gain [-5]
B Gain [-15]

Position [+4]
R Gain [0]
G Gain [-4]
B Gain [-18]

Position [+5]
R Gain [0]
G Gain [-4]
B Gain [-19]

Position [+6]
R Gain [0]
G Gain [-3]
B Gain [-18]

Position [+7]
R Gain [-1]
G Gain [-5]
B Gain [-19]

Position [+8]
R Gain [0]
G Gain [-6]
B Gain [-19]

Position [+9]
R Gain [0]
G Gain [-5]
B Gain [-20

Position [+10]
R Gain [0]
G Gain [0]
B Gain [-15]

Motion Enhancement
[120Hz Low]

Precision Color Plus
[Off]

Active Contrast
[Off]

Gamma Adjustment
[0]

Film Mode
[Off]

Digital Noise Reduction
[Off]

Read more: http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/hdtv-video-displays-processors/48747-elitepro-60x5fd-pro-70x5fd-discussion-thread-221.html#ixzz2bWgQ3hxE
Edited by Sound & Vision - 8/9/13 at 7:04pm
post #13763 of 14509
So I decided to go ahead and call Sharp to inquire about the DSE/banding issue. The person I talked to was familiar with it and stated that most of them had some type of dse/banding but a small amount of them were clean especially the initial run back when the set came out. I was surprised by that response because I figured the manufacture would deny it. He did state that they could have a tech come out and look at it but he understood what I was describing (when the screen pans left and right mainly on light colors you see the vertical lines on the screen but when it stops the screens looks great) and stated he has had quite a few calls regarding this on the Elite. He even brought up the green and pink blob issues on some sets without me even asking about it. He also stated the only way to fix this was a replacement which they don't have. I was surprised by this! I figured like Pioneer at the end of the Kuro's life, they would have a small stock back for warranty claims. Obviously if it's not a screen issue, warranty should be easy to work with. But it looks like panel wise, it will be extremely hard to impossible to get it replaced. He did state that lately they have just been offering a refund for these type of issues because it's a panel problem. He said that after the tech confirmed the banding, I would be offered a refund or I could keep the set. He did state that when they did have some sets for warranty claims, they were almost always refurbished ones. I definitely wouldn't want a refurbished set after just paying for a new one.

So I guess I have my answer. Learn to live with the DSE/Banding on certain panning scenes or get a refund after a service call. I play games a lot with my kids and the banding was more noticeable than watching a movie (but again only on light colors). I am not nit picking at all and love this set otherwise. I also know nothing will be perfect so I am going to think about it. My only other option is a VT60 and then I have to worry about the possible IR issues. I guess everything has it's issues so I have to pick my poison smile.gif.

Also after spending more time with certain material I am starting to lean towards it being DSE with maybe slight banding. I can see vertical bars but they are not as pronounced compared to what I see as DSE. The DSE when panning definitely looks almost identical to my old Kuro DSE that I had horizontally on my screen.

Any thoughts? I guess I am in the minority that sees this DSE/Banding stuff? My friend got an open box 60" last night and his has the same thing but a bit worse. I just assumed the majority of the sets had this issue but maybe not. Also, it's not horrible so I don't want to paint the picture that the set is not watchable. It's not like it ruins every movie and game I play. It's probably something I noticed a couple of times in Prometheus and maybe a few more on Tangled (animated movies always bring out flaws like this way more though).
Edited by YOTR - 8/10/13 at 7:07am
post #13764 of 14509
Quote:
Originally Posted by YOTR View Post

So I decided to go ahead and call Sharp to inquire about the DSE/banding issue. The person I talked to was familiar with it and stated that most of them had some type of dse/banding but a small amount of them were clean especially the initial run back when the set came out. I was surprised by that response because I figured the manufacture would deny it. He did state that they could have a tech come out and look at it but he understood what I was describing (when the screen pans left and right mainly on light colors you see the vertical lines on the screen but when it stops the screens looks great) and stated he has had quite a few calls regarding this on the Elite. He even brought up the green and pink blob issues on some sets without me even asking about it. He also stated the only way to fix this was a replacement which they don't have. I was surprised by this! I figured like Pioneer at the end of the Kuro's life, they would have a small stock back for warranty claims. Obviously if it's not a screen issue, warranty should be easy to work with. But it looks like panel wise, it will be extremely hard to impossible to get it replaced. He did state that lately they have just been offering a refund for these type of issues because it's a panel problem. He said that after the tech confirmed the banding, I would be offered a refund or I could keep the set. He did state that when they did have some sets for warranty claims, they were almost always refurbished ones. I definitely wouldn't want a refurbished set after just paying for a new one.

So I guess I have my answer. Learn to live with the DSE/Banding on certain panning scenes or get a refund after a service call. I play games a lot with my kids and the banding was more noticeable than watching a movie (but again only on light colors). I am not nit picking at all and love this set otherwise. I also know nothing will be perfect so I am going to think about it. My only other option is a VT60 and then I have to worry about the possible IR issues. I guess everything has it's issues so I have to pick my poison smile.gif.

Also after spending more time with certain material I am starting to lean towards it being DSE with maybe slight banding. I can see vertical bars but they are not as pronounced compared to what I see as DSE. The DSE when panning definitely looks almost identical to my old Kuro DSE that I had horizontally on my screen.

Any thoughts? I guess I am in the minority that sees this DSE/Banding stuff? My friend got an open box 60" last night and his has the same thing but a bit worse. I just assumed the majority of the sets had this issue but maybe not. Also, it's not horrible so I don't want to paint the picture that the set is not watchable. It's not like it ruins every movie and game I play. It's probably something I noticed a couple of times in Prometheus and maybe a few more on Tangled (animated movies always bring out flaws like this way more though).

If any of your sources are sending RGB color space and you have the option to change that, try 422 or 444 to see if the banding is reduced. Color space tests on the Spears and Munsel 2d test disc show that my 70" Elite has significant banding with RGB especially blue but none on 422 or 444. I use a Lumagen radiance and always send it 422. Good luck.
post #13765 of 14509
Quote:
Originally Posted by YOTR View Post

Also after spending more time with certain material I am starting to lean towards it being DSE with maybe slight banding. I can see vertical bars but they are not as pronounced compared to what I see as DSE. The DSE when panning definitely looks almost identical to my old Kuro DSE that I had horizontally on my screen.

Can you post some photos of your banding issue.. I'm not sure DSE can be caught on a photo, but banding can. Perhaps you can reference an exact movie scene for the DSE.

I have run test slides in all colors and shades. My 08/2011 panel's uniformity seems to be spot on perfect. The pans are super clean as well. The shocker for me is that I checked my panels hours and it said 7,840!! It must have been one of the first ones to hit the showroom. TG it was wall mounted the whole time. The frame and screen is 100% blemish free. smile.gif

How does your panel look when playing these DSE test videos;

http://youtu.be/bDzcnxglmIE

http://youtu.be/DtmqhAtdjE0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=on_jB7XjGzg
Edited by Sound & Vision - 8/10/13 at 11:25am
post #13766 of 14509
Quote:
Originally Posted by YOTR View Post

So I decided to go ahead and call Sharp to inquire about the DSE/banding issue. The person I talked to was familiar with it and stated that most of them had some type of dse/banding but a small amount of them were clean especially the initial run back when the set came out. I was surprised by that response because I figured the manufacture would deny it. He did state that they could have a tech come out and look at it but he understood what I was describing (when the screen pans left and right mainly on light colors you see the vertical lines on the screen but when it stops the screens looks great) and stated he has had quite a few calls regarding this on the Elite. He even brought up the green and pink blob issues on some sets without me even asking about it. He also stated the only way to fix this was a replacement which they don't have. I was surprised by this! I figured like Pioneer at the end of the Kuro's life, they would have a small stock back for warranty claims. Obviously if it's not a screen issue, warranty should be easy to work with. But it looks like panel wise, it will be extremely hard to impossible to get it replaced. He did state that lately they have just been offering a refund for these type of issues because it's a panel problem. He said that after the tech confirmed the banding, I would be offered a refund or I could keep the set. He did state that when they did have some sets for warranty claims, they were almost always refurbished ones. I definitely wouldn't want a refurbished set after just paying for a new one.

So I guess I have my answer. Learn to live with the DSE/Banding on certain panning scenes or get a refund after a service call. I play games a lot with my kids and the banding was more noticeable than watching a movie (but again only on light colors). I am not nit picking at all and love this set otherwise. I also know nothing will be perfect so I am going to think about it. My only other option is a VT60 and then I have to worry about the possible IR issues. I guess everything has it's issues so I have to pick my poison smile.gif.

Also after spending more time with certain material I am starting to lean towards it being DSE with maybe slight banding. I can see vertical bars but they are not as pronounced compared to what I see as DSE. The DSE when panning definitely looks almost identical to my old Kuro DSE that I had horizontally on my screen.

Any thoughts? I guess I am in the minority that sees this DSE/Banding stuff? My friend got an open box 60" last night and his has the same thing but a bit worse. I just assumed the majority of the sets had this issue but maybe not. Also, it's not horrible so I don't want to paint the picture that the set is not watchable. It's not like it ruins every movie and game I play. It's probably something I noticed a couple of times in Prometheus and maybe a few more on Tangled (animated movies always bring out flaws like this way more though).
I have the same thing on mine. This must be very common. Sucks to be one of those people that is looking for flaws. I too only notice the dirty screen effect during motion scenes.

I've read good things about the Darbee video processor. Would this help with DSE?
post #13767 of 14509
Really surprised to hear that they didnt keep any panels back for warranty purposes. Nice to hear they will offer a full refund for DSE or even if they are not able to
fix any other problems that might crop up in the future.
Edited by baron2 - 8/10/13 at 8:28am
post #13768 of 14509
YOTR, as a fellow new Elite owner, how is your IR responsiveness? Mine seems to be pretty sensitive already. I have to point it directly at the sensor for commands to register.
post #13769 of 14509
Quote:
Originally Posted by dsinger View Post

If any of your sources are sending RGB color space and you have the option to change that, try 422 or 444 to see if the banding is reduced. Color space tests on the Spears and Munsel 2d test disc show that my 70" Elite has significant banding with RGB especially blue but none on 422 or 444. I use a Lumagen radiance and always send it 422. Good luck.

Thanks for the response. I am using a PS3 so the only option is RGB Full or Limited. I believe Full is for games so I normally keep it on limited. Does the Elite have settings like the kuro used to where you could change the rgb options (16-235, 0-255)?
post #13770 of 14509
Quote:
Originally Posted by beemarp View Post

YOTR, as a fellow new Elite owner, how is your IR responsiveness? Mine seems to be pretty sensitive already. I have to point it directly at the sensor for commands to register.

I pointed my remote all the way to the left last night and it stilled worked the volume. Try changing the batteries out. Although new, they are not of the highest quality. Some of these sets have been sitting for two years. Also check to see if your cable remote does a better job or not. If all else fails, schedule a free service call for peace of mind smile.gif
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: LCD Flat Panel Displays
AVS › AVS Forum › Display Devices › LCD Flat Panel Displays › Official Sharp Elite PRO-70X5 and 60X5 Owners Thread